[NTG-context] \writetolist vs \writebetweenlist

2007-02-14 Thread JOHN CULLETON
I can use \writebetweenlist to add a line to my TOC.  I have to put the page 
number in manually. Here is the statement:
\writebetweenlist[part]{\nimbus\zy{Part 1 Prerequisite for Success}\hfil 22\rm }

It would seem more sensible to use \writetolist and let Context determine the 
page number. But there are two problems:
1. There is an extra set of braces {} for \writetolist, the purpose of which is 
not stated.
2. A statement similar to the above but with \writetolist[part] and deleting 
the material from \hfil onward fails on interpetation of the formatting macro
\zy. This in turn is a call to the soul.sty package for letterspacing the 
entry.  Here is macro \zy:
\sodef\zy{}{.040em}{.25em plus .5em}{2em plus .1em minus .1em}
It works OK with \writebetweenlist but fails when part of \writetolist etc. 


I have two questions: 
1. What are the extra braces for in the \writetolist command description?
2. Given two sets of braces, where does the text of the par title go?



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Re: [NTG-context] MPtoPDF error

2007-02-14 Thread Peter Rolf
Peter Rolf wrote:
> Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>> Peter Rolf wrote:
>>> this is a bug in the current metapost beta (which is already fixed by
>>> Taco). Simply use the stable version (0.901) instead. A new beta will
>>> (hopefully) be released this week.
>> It won't happen today anymore, I am afraid. But 'real soon now'.
>>
> 
> I know that you are busy (as a bee), so 'real soon now' sounds pretty
> good ;)
>
this was too soon for me. thx taco.

> Best, Peter
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Re: [NTG-context] Characters per inch with ConTexT

2007-02-14 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> 
> I guess someone made the requirements in 1950 or 1960, and others are 
> blindly copying them. Maybe, I should typeset everything in monotype 
> font :)

I remember we had a ball-based typewriter at Kluwer Academic that had
variable width characters as well as different fonts: one per ball.
We had a whole bunch of these balls in a cardboard box. So maybe,
they even had variant widths like Times10 @ 10cpi, Times10 @ 12cpi ?

Best, Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] Suppressing printing of chapter head.

2007-02-14 Thread JOHN CULLETON
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 10:14, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> [location=top,
>spaceinbetween=0pt, % <-- your friend
>style=bold,
>width=max]

That works as far as the bolding is concerned. Many thanks. But the 
"Figure 2-1"
and the 
"Comparison of Corporate and Government
Bond Portfolios"
are still in run-in style like this:

Figure 2.1 Comparison of Corporate and Government
Bond Portfolios

I can maybe talk the customer out of that detail but if I can do it it would 
be nice. 

Another solution to bolding was proposed by Mojca but I decided to go with 
yours. Thanks to both. 

For those who were curious about the complexity of the heading I will post a 
pdf to 
http://wexfordpress.com/tex/headertest.pdf
..and a source file fragment here:
---
\noheaderandfooterlines
\tf
\chapter{Investing for Income}
\noheaderandfooterlines 
\null\vskip -1in 
\noindent {\baselineskip
15bp \nimbul\kern -3pt {\zb{``It's a funny thing about life; if
you refuse to accept anything but the best, you very often get
it.''}}{\nimbus ~~---\kern 5bp \zb{Somerset Maugham}}

\centerline{\vrule height .25bp width 4.25in} \vskip 3.050in
\switchtobodyfont[MySabon,12bp] 
\rm 
{\it Chapter 2} \vskip .4in
\baselineskip 30bp 
\leftline{\nimbux{\zc{Investing for Income,}}}
\leftline{\nimbux{\zc{Safely and Effectively}}} \parindent
.3125in \baselineskip 15bp \indenting[next] 
\vskip 15pt 
\rm 

This is quite ugly but it works. \nimbux etc. are fonts and \zc etc. are
macros using soul.sty.

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Re: [NTG-context] vertical stretch for TABLE ?

2007-02-14 Thread luigi scarso
On 2/14/07, Steffen Wolfrum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Luigi,
>
> thanks for the offer.
>
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:45:46 +0100, luigi scarso wrote:
> > I usually give my best with a complete working example
> > 'I-have-this--I-want-that'.tex
> > or 'this-doesn't-work-as-expected'.tex
> > or 'i-don't-understand-this'.tex
> > Can you made an example ?
>
>
> See attached table.tex, please.
hmm, it seems that I've missed the attachment...
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[NTG-context] TOC (was: register) fine tuning

2007-02-14 Thread Steffen Wolfrum
Hi Hans,

fine-tuning a TOC is horrible when you have a lot of tables and figures in a 
larger project: 
you have to wait and wait and wait …

Could you also provide a comparable solution like the one below (for the 
placeregister), please?

Something like …

\completecontent[file=testtest]


That would give me back several hours to life!


Thank you,

Steffen




On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:17:01 +0200, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> 
> Am 26.10.2006 um 10:32 schrieb Hans Hagen:
>> 
>> hm, you really want to do that now?
>> 
>> 
> 
> Yes, please: the printing house is wating for the book today...
> 
> 
>> i'll make a beta that can do:
>> 
>> 
>> \placeregister[index]
>> 
>> \placeregister[index][file=testtest]
>> 
>> so, you can copy test.tuo to testtest.tuo and them edit  
>> testtest.tuo to suit your needs
>> 
> 
> Great, that sound very usably!
> 
> Steffen
> 
> 
>> of course, you need to keep in mind that it is possible to edit  
>> testtest.tuo to the extend that it starts influencing pagenumbers  
>> and such
>> 
>> 
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[NTG-context] mails

2007-02-14 Thread Hans Hagen
Hi,

I'm a bit busy right now but if someone thinks that important mails get 
lost let me know or remind me later

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] vertical stretch for TABLE ?

2007-02-14 Thread Steffen Wolfrum
Hi Luigi,

thanks for the offer.

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:45:46 +0100, luigi scarso wrote:
> I usually give my best with a complete working example
> 'I-have-this--I-want-that'.tex
> or 'this-doesn't-work-as-expected'.tex
> or 'i-don't-understand-this'.tex
> Can you made an example ?


See attached table.tex, please.
It's quick and dirty and it contains several tables. But it should make the 
goal clear:

By chance on page 8 the bottom-line of the table sits on the bottom-line of the 
frame.
I want to have this also on the other pages, containing the other parts of the 
table. 

Is there a way for vertical stretch for rows, like "option=stretch" gives 
horizontal stretch for columns, to snap to the frame?


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Re: [NTG-context] Characters per inch with ConTexT

2007-02-14 Thread Hans Hagen
Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>
> That is what I found. Can I tweak spacefactor and spaceskip to give an 
> impression that there are 15 cpi.
>   
you can create a shinked font i.e. make an instance with .85% wide chars 
(contrary to an extended one)
> I guess someone made the requirements in 1950 or 1960, and others are 
> blindly copying them. Maybe, I should typeset everything in monotype 
> font :)
>   
cm is kind of monotype times ... you mean monospaced -) there is a narrow latin 
modern tt variant you can use ... 132 chars on 80 

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Re: [NTG-context] Bolding the words "Figure 2-1"

2007-02-14 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:11:37 -0500
"John R. Culleton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I too am stuck in specification hell. The specifier is ovenamored of 
> stretching text and the like. I worked through that with the TeX/LaTeX macro 
> soul.sty. 
> 
>  My immediate problem is with putting the 
> caption of a table in a different font.  Currently I have:
> 
> \setupcaptions[location=top,headstyle=bold,style=bold]
> 
> \placefigure[here][tab:comp]{Comparison of Corporate and
> Government Bond Portfolios} {
> etc.
> ---
> Currently I get the caption in bold but the string "Figure 2-1" is not in 
> bold. 

Hi John,

the floattext is written by default in bold style, please look if you
changed it somewhere in your document by \setupcation[style=...] or
\setupcaption[figure][style=...]

> 
> A second problem:
> The designer asks for
> 
> Figure 2-1
> Comparison of Corporate etc.
> 
> but I get:
> ---
> Figure 2-1 Comparison of Corporate etc.
> 
> 
> I can avoid \placefigure and hand code each caption of course but that 
> deprives me of the ability to float the figures.

\setupcaptions
  [location=top,
   spaceinbetween=0pt, % <-- your friend 
   style=bold,
   width=max] % maybe fit?

Wolfgang

>  
> Unfortunately they brought in the designer after I had already started work 
> (and cashed the deposit check.)
> 
> The first difficulty (typeface) is IMO the most critical. 
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Re: [NTG-context] Suppressing printing of chapter head.

2007-02-14 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, John R. Culleton wrote:

> I have a specification for a chapter head that is so complex I have little
> hope of modifying the Context head within any reasonable time frame. But I
> still prefer to use the Context chapter head for TOC, numbering of figures
> and the like. So I decided to hand code the head but still use \chapter  for
> these other purposes.  Here is my current workaround:
> --
> \setuphead[chapter][command=\white,header=nomarking]

Maybe command=\gobbleoneargument instead of white. With \white, the 
head will still occupy space.

> 
> I still have to use \noheaderandfooterlines as well for some reason.
> Just FYI.

Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] Suppressing printing of chapter head.

2007-02-14 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:21:18 -0500
"John R. Culleton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a specification for a chapter head that is so complex I have little 
> hope of modifying the Context head within any reasonable time frame. But I 
> still prefer to use the Context chapter head for TOC, numbering of figures 
> and the like. So I decided to hand code the head but still use \chapter  for 
> these other purposes.  Here is my current workaround:
> --
> \setuphead[chapter][command=\white,header=nomarking]
> 
> I still have to use \noheaderandfooterlines as well for some reason. 
> Just FYI. 

Hi John,

can you make a image how your head should look.

To avoid headers and footer on chapter pages or to create special ones
for these pages you can use (taken from page-txt).

\definetext[chapter][footer][pagenumber]
\setuphead[chapter][header=high,footer=chapter]

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] Characters per inch with ConTexT

2007-02-14 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

> Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am writing a document where the guidelines say that I should use
>> Times Roman font at 10pt with 15 characters per inch and 6 lines per
>> inch. I am using thermes from tex gyre rscaled=1.015 as the bodyfont.
>> At this setting I get a bit more less than 6 lines per inch (which is
>> fine) but roughtly 17 characters per inch. Any way I could setup fonts
>> so that both these criteria is automatically met?
>
> This should give you exactly 6 lpi @ 10pt
>
>   \setupbodyfontenvironment[10pt][interlinespace=12bp]

Thank you. Now I see an advantage of bp over pt.

>> Why do people come up with such criteria :((
>
> The average character width in times roman is only a  little over 4pt
> when loaded at 10pt, resulting in more than 18cpi, so you could try
> to explain to them that the 10pt and 15cpm contradict eachother.

That is what I found. Can I tweak spacefactor and spaceskip to give an 
impression that there are 15 cpi.

> But I guess they do not really expect you to do anything with the cpi
> statement, unless you are using a typewriter.

I guess someone made the requirements in 1950 or 1960, and others are 
blindly copying them. Maybe, I should typeset everything in monotype 
font :)

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Re: [NTG-context] vertical stretch for TABLE ?

2007-02-14 Thread luigi scarso
On 2/14/07, Steffen Wolfrum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Luigi,
>
>
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:44:20 +0100, luigi scarso wrote:
> >> Is there also a kind of \bTABLE[split=yes,option=vstretch] that
> >> gives this little stretch over the page's respective rows so that
> >> there is also a vertical snap to the text frame?
> >>
> >> Or is this a too weird request?
> >>
> >>
> > Did you  see
> > www.logosrl.it/context/modules/2007-01-23/core-modu.pdf
> > at core-ntb section ?
>
>
>
> No, I didn't know this … enzyclopedia!
> But as I am no programmer I am not sure how to you use it (too much that I 
> absolutely not understand).
ok

> Did you see an answer to my request in there?
I usually give my best with a complete working example
'I-have-this--I-want-that'.tex
or 'this-doesn't-work-as-expected'.tex
or 'i-don't-understand-this'.tex
Can you made an example ?
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Re: [NTG-context] Bolding the words "Figure 2-1"

2007-02-14 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On 2/14/07, John R. Culleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I too am stuck in specification hell. The specifier is ovenamored of
> stretching text and the like. I worked through that with the TeX/LaTeX macro
> soul.sty.
>
>  My immediate problem is with putting the
> caption of a table in a different font.  Currently I have:
> 
> \setupcaptions[location=top,headstyle=bold,style=bold]
>
> \placefigure[here][tab:comp]{Comparison of Corporate and
> Government Bond Portfolios} {
> etc.
> ---
> Currently I get the caption in bold but the string "Figure 2-1" is not in
> bold.

On the garden it works OK.

Also if you want to use a really different font, there should be no
problem saying
   \setupcaptions[headstyle={\definedfont[your-special-font]}]

Mojca
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[NTG-context] Suppressing printing of chapter head.

2007-02-14 Thread John R. Culleton
I have a specification for a chapter head that is so complex I have little 
hope of modifying the Context head within any reasonable time frame. But I 
still prefer to use the Context chapter head for TOC, numbering of figures 
and the like. So I decided to hand code the head but still use \chapter  for 
these other purposes.  Here is my current workaround:
--
\setuphead[chapter][command=\white,header=nomarking]

I still have to use \noheaderandfooterlines as well for some reason. 
Just FYI. 

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[NTG-context] Bolding the words "Figure 2-1"

2007-02-14 Thread John R. Culleton
I too am stuck in specification hell. The specifier is ovenamored of 
stretching text and the like. I worked through that with the TeX/LaTeX macro 
soul.sty. 

 My immediate problem is with putting the 
caption of a table in a different font.  Currently I have:

\setupcaptions[location=top,headstyle=bold,style=bold]

\placefigure[here][tab:comp]{Comparison of Corporate and
Government Bond Portfolios} {
etc.
---
Currently I get the caption in bold but the string "Figure 2-1" is not in 
bold. 

A second problem:
The designer asks for

Figure 2-1
Comparison of Corporate etc.

but I get:
---
Figure 2-1 Comparison of Corporate etc.


I can avoid \placefigure and hand code each caption of course but that 
deprives me of the ability to float the figures.
 
Unfortunately they brought in the designer after I had already started work 
(and cashed the deposit check.)

The first difficulty (typeface) is IMO the most critical. 
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Re: [NTG-context] Natural table questions

2007-02-14 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:38:57 -0800
David Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> All,

Hi David,

> 
> Using natural tales, how can I:
> 
> 1. get some padding around text in each cell?

you can currently use one value for the padding on all four sides in a
table cell.

\setupTABLE[offset=5mm]
\bTABLE
\bTR\bTD Text \eTD\eTR
\eTABLE

> 
> 2. Increase the height of a cell (or row)? fix the height of a cell  
> (or row)?

\setupTABLE[r|c][number][width=..,height=..]

please look at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/TABLE for examples and the
use of this command

> 
> David Arnold

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Re: [NTG-context] bold versions of fonts

2007-02-14 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz

On Feb 14, 2007, at 11:57 AM, Janko Hauser wrote:

> As I do not understand fonts at all, but is it really so, that one  
> needs to have the bold fontpackage if one wants to set a word in  
> bold in tex? Asked another way, can tex not do the same as word in  
> this regard?
>
> with regards,
>
> __Janko

TeX can produce an artificial bold version of type 1 fonts via  
postscript commands in the map file, and you can consult the index of  
the TeXbook for "poor man's bold" for another solution. In both  
cases, the typographic quality is so low that you really don't want  
to go there. Word output is ugly anyway, so nobody cares if it  
produces artificial bold that makes it even uglier...

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Re: [NTG-context] bold versions of fonts

2007-02-14 Thread Janko Hauser


Am 14.02.2007 um 11:34 schrieb Jörg Hagmann:


I am editing the Annual Report of an ornithological society. In the
past, this has been done with Word, the font was Gentium. I haven't
changed to ConTeXt yet, because Gentium has no bold version and I
want to stick with the same font (Word produces some kind of Gentium-
bold itself).


As I do not understand fonts at all, but is it really so, that one  
needs to have the bold fontpackage if one wants to set a word in bold  
in tex? Asked another way, can tex not do the same as word in this  
regard?


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Re: [NTG-context] bold versions of fonts

2007-02-14 Thread Jörg Hagmann
>
> There is one [ too many in this definition... Don't be too
> embarrassed, when you've looked at a file or a line for three hours,
> you don't see anything anymore.

Thanks a lot. I AM embarassed, especially since I suspected something  
of the sort but didn't see it. And also because I successfully  
avoided quite a few premature interventions in the past months, but  
was too impatient this time.

I am editing the Annual Report of an ornithological society. In the  
past, this has been done with Word, the font was Gentium. I haven't  
changed to ConTeXt yet, because Gentium has no bold version and I  
want to stick with the same font (Word produces some kind of Gentium- 
bold itself). That's the reason why I am looking at other fonts, with  
the intention of smuggling a "SimilarToGentium-Bold" into a gentium- 
typescript. (I know that's not done -- but it's only the  
Ornithological Society of Basel )

Cheers, Jörg
>
> Good luck
>
> Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] vertical stretch for TABLE ?

2007-02-14 Thread luigi scarso
On 2/14/07, Steffen Wolfrum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> I understood that …
>
> \bTABLE[option=stretch]
>
> … gives a horizontal stretch, so that a TABLE snaps left and right to the 
> frame (\showframe text edges).
>
>
> When along table is split over several pages with \bTABLE[split=yes] it is 
> very unlikely that the bottom-line of the bottom most row sits on the 
> bottom-line of the text frame.
>
> Is there also a kind of \bTABLE[split=yes,option=vstretch] that gives this 
> little stretch over the page's respective rows so that there is also a 
> vertical snap to the text frame?
>
> Or is this a too weird request?
>
>
Did you  see
www.logosrl.it/context/modules/2007-01-23/core-modu.pdf
at core-ntb section ?
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Re: [NTG-context] Newbie question: math font and bibliography

2007-02-14 Thread Taco Hoekwater


Zulkifli Hidayat wrote:
> 
> Furthermore, could you give pointers to style alternatives documentation
> or links?

None that I know of exist, but it is harmless to try them, so you
could just do a few runs with various style settings.

Best, taco
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[NTG-context] vertical stretch for TABLE ?

2007-02-14 Thread Steffen Wolfrum
Hi,


I understood that …

\bTABLE[option=stretch]

… gives a horizontal stretch, so that a TABLE snaps left and right to the frame 
(\showframe text edges).


When along table is split over several pages with \bTABLE[split=yes] it is very 
unlikely that the bottom-line of the bottom most row sits on the bottom-line of 
the text frame.

Is there also a kind of \bTABLE[split=yes,option=vstretch] that gives this 
little stretch over the page's respective rows so that there is also a vertical 
snap to the text frame?

Or is this a too weird request?


Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] Characters per inch with ConTexT

2007-02-14 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am writing a document where the guidelines say that I should use 
> Times Roman font at 10pt with 15 characters per inch and 6 lines per 
> inch. I am using thermes from tex gyre rscaled=1.015 as the bodyfont. 
> At this setting I get a bit more less than 6 lines per inch (which is 
> fine) but roughtly 17 characters per inch. Any way I could setup fonts 
> so that both these criteria is automatically met?

This should give you exactly 6 lpi @ 10pt

   \setupbodyfontenvironment[10pt][interlinespace=12bp]

> Why do people come up with such criteria :((

The average character width in times roman is only a  little over 4pt
when loaded at 10pt, resulting in more than 18cpi, so you could try
to explain to them that the 10pt and 15cpm contradict eachother.

But I guess they do not really expect you to do anything with the cpi 
statement, unless you are using a typewriter.

Best, Taco
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