Re: [NTG-context] How to print all pages for a single index entry?
On Sun, 7 May 2023 22:26:12 + (UTC)
Joel via ntg-context wrote:
> I have an index like this:
>
> \starttext
> \index{butterflies}\index{horses}\index{cows}
> \placeindex
>
> \stoptext
> The placeindex will place every index.
> Is there a way to say, display an index, but only for a specific
> single entry, or specific list of entries, e.g. \placeindex[horses,
> cows] (would exclude butterflies from the index entries) --Joel
You can use multiple lists, like indexofmammals and indexofarthropods,
and then place one or combine them, as needed.
Alan
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[NTG-context] How to print all pages for a single index entry?
I have an index like this:
\starttext
\index{butterflies}\index{horses}\index{cows}
\placeindex
\stoptext
The placeindex will place every index.
Is there a way to say, display an index, but only for a specific single entry,
or specific list of entries, e.g.
\placeindex[horses, cows] (would exclude butterflies from the index entries)
--Joel
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Re: [NTG-context] installer
On 07/05/2023 19:47, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote: I updated https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Modules (also deleted a lot of outdated information; module lists still need work) mtxrun --script install-modules --install --all this generates an error: resolvers | globbing | confusing filename, name: 'CHANGELOG', lower: 'changelog', already: 'ChangeLog' mtx-install-modules | unknown subdirectory 'texmf-context' ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] installer
On 07/05/2023 19:47, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote: I updated https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Modules (also deleted a lot of outdated information; module lists still need work) mtxrun --script install-modules --install --all this generates an error: resolvers | globbing | confusing filename, name: 'CHANGELOG', lower: 'changelog', already: 'ChangeLog' mtx-install-modules | unknown subdirectory 'texmf-context' ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] installer
Am 07.05.23 um 16:38 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context: The mtx-install-tikz is now mtx-install-modules, so mtxrun --script install-modules Someone (not me) has to adapt the wiki. I updated https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Modules (also deleted a lot of outdated information; module lists still need work) Hraban ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] installer
Hi Alex, You are right ! I have an alias for the mtxrun in the /context-osx-arm64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/ folder, but the alias is in an old bashrc file, while I was issuing the command in zsh… Thanks for the help ! Best regards: Otared > On 7 May 2023, at 17:11, Alexandre Christe wrote: > > Hi Otared, > > I encountered the same issue the other day. Could it be that you run mtxrun > from the /bin folder instead of /tex/texmf-YOUR_ARCH/bin/ ? Somehow they seem > to be different. > > Best regards, > Alex > Le 7 mai 2023 à 17:07 +0200, Otared Kavian via ntg-context > , a écrit : >> Hi Hans, >> >> Updating to current version: 2023.05.07 16:33 and issuing >> >> mtxrun --script install-modules >> >> I get: >> >> mtxrun | unknown script 'install-modules.lua' or 'mtx-install-modules.lua’ >> >> >> Best regards: Otared >> >>> On 7 May 2023, at 16:59, Hans Hagen via ntg-context >>> wrote: >>> >>> On 5/7/2023 4:43 PM, Floris van Manen via ntg-context wrote: $ mtxrun --script install-modules --list resolvers | globbing | confusing filename, name: 'CHANGELOG', lower: 'changelog', already: 'ChangeLog' mtxrun | unknown script 'install-modules.lua' or 'mtx-install-modules.lua' >>> hm, it should be in the zip, adn therefore installed, so can others confirm >>> this? >>> >>> Hans >>> >>> - >>> Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE >>> Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands >>> tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl >>> - >>> >>> ___ >>> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to >>> the Wiki! >>> >>> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / >>> https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >>> webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net >>> archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ >>> wiki : https://contextgarden.net >>> ___ >> >> Otared Kavian >> e-mail: ota...@gmail.com >> Phone: +33 6 88 26 70 95 >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to >> the Wiki! >> >> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / >> https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >> webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net >> archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ >> wiki : https://contextgarden.net >> ___ Otared Kavian e-mail: ota...@gmail.com Phone: +33 6 88 26 70 95 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] installer
On 07/05/2023 17:13, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote: I just ran the install script (that then updates) on a linux box and get: ok. just did a fresh sh install.sh the script seems to run fine but still a mention of 'changelog' ~/context $ mtxrun --script install-modules --list resolvers | globbing | confusing filename, name: 'CHANGELOG', lower: 'changelog', already: 'ChangeLog' ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] new units
On Sun, 7 May 2023 13:00:18 +0100 Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context wrote: > Will there be new units to represent the amount of alcohol that has > to be imbibed in order to (a) create the joke and (b) understand it? > > I'm not sure which of these needs to be the larger. Perhaps that > could be the subject of the next research? The moral of the story is that we all missed something by not attending BachoTeX - as is the case every year. One should note Hans' reference to the gala dinner, which is better characterized by an excess of dishes of food than by an excess of alcohol. We have an opportunity to make up for this missed occasion this year by attending the annual ConTeXt meeting. Of course, these two meetings are complementary and ideally one should aim at attending *both*. As to the Dutch left and right thumbs, the French word is also "pouce" for the length of an inchworm. My question is, what is the appropriate unit for inching forward or inching along? Would this be one inch per fortnight? Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] new units
Am 07.05.23 um 12:29 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context: Edith Sundqvist : on-site research, presentation Mikael Sundqvist : scientific supervisor, calibration, article Willi Egger : quality assurance, edithorial device Karl Berry : peer review, tugboat Hans Hagen : implementation, article Ah, now I get more of it – more context is usually desirable. Hraban ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Cron /var/www/aanhet.net/context/bin/cron/context-mirror
receiving incremental file list ./ ctan.lsr document-2.htm download-1.htm download-2.htm logo-ade.png logo-cts.png logo-pod.png rss.xml show-fil.pdf context/latest/ context/latest/cont-mpd.zip context/latest/cont-ppc.zip context/latest/cont-sci.zip context/latest/cont-tmf.zip context/latest/cont-tst.7z context/latest/cont-tst.tar.xz context/latest/cont-tst.zip sent 101,078 bytes received 21,565,640 bytes 12,094.18 bytes/sec total size is 449,303,678 speedup is 20.74 Running archiver: New dir: /var/www/aanhet.net/context//htdocs/archives/context-2023-05-07.17 121148788 /var/www/aanhet.net/context//htdocs/archives/context-2023-05-07.17/latest 126745317 /var/www/aanhet.net/context//htdocs/archives/context-2023-05-07.17/current 247898201 /var/www/aanhet.net/context//htdocs/archives/context-2023-05-07.17 247898201 total ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] How to fix indexes displaying [entry not flushed] with hidden data?
I have a document that needs to place some "hidden" data. In other words, there
is an entire \input file with an article, but it doesn't get rendered visibly.
However, the indexes, registers, and bibliography need to still function as if
it were displayed right there on the page.
It should be as if the data actually is all there, on a single page, but either
compressed inside a single invisible pixel off or plain invisible to readers,
not using any physical space on the page.
I tried two methods suggested at Stack Exchange for hiding the data:
1. \startnointerference
2. \setbox\scratchbox=\vbox{}
These both successfully seem to place the data there, without it actually being
visible and bibliograhy entries still function fine.
The problem is, index and customer registers are getting confused:
When one goes to render the page numbers in \placeindex, it gets confused,
displaying the message: "[entry not flushed]" instead of the page number. When
I render this minimum working example below, the index is populated with [entry
not flushed] instead of page numbers. Note that if I delete the test "This is
invisible text."and recompile, I can get a successful render. The problem is, I
have text that needs to remain invisible.
\starttext
\index{birds}
\index{insects}
\startnointerference
\index{spiders}
\index{bears}
\index{rabbits}
This is invisible text.
\stopnointerference
\input knuth
\placeindex
\stoptext
How to fix indexes displaying [entry not flushed] with hidden data?
--Joel
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Re: [NTG-context] installer
On 5/7/2023 5:05 PM, Otared Kavian via ntg-context wrote: Hi Hans, Updating to current version: 2023.05.07 16:33 and issuing mtxrun --script install-modules I just ran the install script (that then updates) on a linux box and get: hagen@laptop-8:/data/context> export PATH=/data/context/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin:$PATH hagen@laptop-8:/data/context> mtxrun --script install-modules mtx-install-modules | ConTeXt Module Installer 1.00 mtx-install-modules | mtx-install-modules | --list list modules mtx-install-modules | --install install modules mtx-install-modules | --module install (zip) file(s) mtx-install-modules | mtx-install-modules | mtx-install-modules | Examples mtx-install-modules | mtx-install-modules | mtxrun --script install-modules --list mtx-install-modules | mtx-install-modules | mtxrun --script install-modules --install filter letter mtx-install-modules | mtxrun --script install-modules --install tikz mtx-install-modules | mtxrun --script install-modules --install --all mtx-install-modules | mtx-install-modules | mtxrun --script install-modules --install --module t-letter.zip mtx-install-modules | mtx-install-modules | mtx-install-modules | More information about ConTeXt and the tools that come with it can be found at: mtx-install-modules | mtx-install-modules | maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context mtx-install-modules | webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net mtx-install-modules | wiki : http://contextgarden.net mtx-install-modules | - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] installer
Hi Otared, I encountered the same issue the other day. Could it be that you run mtxrun from the /bin folder instead of /tex/texmf-YOUR_ARCH/bin/ ? Somehow they seem to be different. Best regards, Alex Le 7 mai 2023 à 17:07 +0200, Otared Kavian via ntg-context , a écrit : > Hi Hans, > > Updating to current version: 2023.05.07 16:33 and issuing > > mtxrun --script install-modules > > I get: > > mtxrun | unknown script 'install-modules.lua' or 'mtx-install-modules.lua’ > > > Best regards: Otared > > > On 7 May 2023, at 16:59, Hans Hagen via ntg-context > > wrote: > > > > On 5/7/2023 4:43 PM, Floris van Manen via ntg-context wrote: > > > $ mtxrun --script install-modules --list > > > resolvers | globbing | confusing filename, name: 'CHANGELOG', lower: > > > 'changelog', already: 'ChangeLog' > > > mtxrun | unknown script 'install-modules.lua' or 'mtx-install-modules.lua' > > hm, it should be in the zip, adn therefore installed, so can others confirm > > this? > > > > Hans > > > > - > > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE > > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > > tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl > > - > > > > ___ > > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > > the Wiki! > > > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > > https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > > webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > > wiki : https://contextgarden.net > > ___ > > Otared Kavian > e-mail: ota...@gmail.com > Phone: +33 6 88 26 70 95 > > > > > ___ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the > Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : https://contextgarden.net > ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] installer
Hi Hans, Updating to current version: 2023.05.07 16:33 and issuing mtxrun --script install-modules I get: mtxrun | unknown script 'install-modules.lua' or 'mtx-install-modules.lua’ Best regards: Otared > On 7 May 2023, at 16:59, Hans Hagen via ntg-context > wrote: > > On 5/7/2023 4:43 PM, Floris van Manen via ntg-context wrote: >> $ mtxrun --script install-modules --list >> resolvers | globbing | confusing filename, name: 'CHANGELOG', lower: >> 'changelog', already: 'ChangeLog' >> mtxrun | unknown script 'install-modules.lua' or >> 'mtx-install-modules.lua' > hm, it should be in the zip, adn therefore installed, so can others confirm > this? > > Hans > > - > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl > - > > ___ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the > Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : https://contextgarden.net > ___ Otared Kavian e-mail: ota...@gmail.com Phone: +33 6 88 26 70 95 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] installer
On 5/7/2023 4:43 PM, Floris van Manen via ntg-context wrote: $ mtxrun --script install-modules --list resolvers | globbing | confusing filename, name: 'CHANGELOG', lower: 'changelog', already: 'ChangeLog' mtxrun | unknown script 'install-modules.lua' or 'mtx-install-modules.lua' hm, it should be in the zip, adn therefore installed, so can others confirm this? Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] [ update message ]
On 5/7/2023 4:47 PM, luigi scarso wrote: On Sun, 7 May 2023 at 16:05, Hans Hagen via ntg-context mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>> wrote: On 5/7/2023 3:18 PM, vm via ntg-context wrote: > running the sh install.sh script to update to the latest version i get a > message: > > /home/vm/context/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/luatex: unrecognized option > '--socket' > > there is probably a reason for it, context seems to compile just fine. ah, ok, so that luatex update even broke the context updater (i didn't realize that luatex would quit on an unknown option instead of just ignoring it) indeed is what happens in this case : luatex emits a message and continues (as the email says: "...context seems to compile just fine.") Ah, ok, so as expected, we're fine then (as long as users don't panic). Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] new units
Hi Hraban, Attached a picture of the edithorial which is now in posession of the one who's name comes closest to it. A bit like the 'meter' makes Paris famous, this one will put the (engineering) university of Lund on the map. Up to the reader to figure out the magick slot and workings. Yet another one of Willis masterpieces of woodwork and packaging. If Alan had been present we might have gone for measuring toes intead of thumbs but then we'd end up with 30mm median I guess. Actually, by going discrete we also made sure thet people with different left and right thumbs (we hadn't anticipated that actually) were satisfied, something that was demood live on camera. It's in de details. Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] [ update message ]
On Sun, 7 May 2023 at 16:05, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote: > On 5/7/2023 3:18 PM, vm via ntg-context wrote: > > running the sh install.sh script to update to the latest version i get a > > message: > > > > /home/vm/context/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/luatex: unrecognized option > > '--socket' > > > > there is probably a reason for it, context seems to compile just fine. > ah, ok, so that luatex update even broke the context updater (i didn't > realize that luatex would quit on an unknown option instead of just > ignoring it) > indeed is what happens in this case : luatex emits a message and continues (as the email says: "...context seems to compile just fine.") --socket is a new option for luatex 1.17.0, where sockets are disabled by default . -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] installer
$ mtxrun --script install-modules --list resolvers | globbing | confusing filename, name: 'CHANGELOG', lower: 'changelog', already: 'ChangeLog' mtxrun | unknown script 'install-modules.lua' or 'mtx-install-modules.lua' ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] installer
Hi, The mtx-install-tikz is now mtx-install-modules, so mtxrun --script install-modules will show what to do. By looking at mtxrun --script install-modules --list some might be inspired to adapt then name of the archive to more fit the t-* scheme. Willi's updated module wins the price for the lonbgest name and I didn't want to impose on users to key that one in. So: - which ones are missing - which ones are obsolete - which modules deserve better names - do we need more features - should we push to and fetch from ctan instead (in the future) The outlier is tikz where we also need to wipe files (maybe more needs to be wiped). I had to adapt some 'unzip archives' code because two modules were kind of different (delayed compression data) and I hope it doesn't affect the regular installer (as I couldn't test that here) but we'll notice that soon enough. The lazy user can run mtxrun --script install-modules --install --all but best is to go lightweight (as there are some modules related to typescripts that might be outdates). Someone (not me) has to adapt the wiki. Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] [ update message ]
On 5/7/2023 3:18 PM, vm via ntg-context wrote: running the sh install.sh script to update to the latest version i get a message: /home/vm/context/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/luatex: unrecognized option '--socket' there is probably a reason for it, context seems to compile just fine. ah, ok, so that luatex update even broke the context updater (i didn't realize that luatex would quit on an unknown option instead of just ignoring it) anyway, as there is no way we can deal with such incompatible updates out of our control, one can install lmtx which should be fine (and likely has the right luatex too, or you can pick up some luatex from the compile farm which should work ok with recent scripts) summary: - there is a luatex update that breaks context but is needed for other macro packages, and in principle such a fundamental incompatinility should go along with a context update - the update therefore needs a patched mtxrun although one never patches mtxrun directly unless doing that off-context-zip (it's now how mtxrun is created) - the luat-fmt is the one that should get two "--socket" snippets because otherwise a context run can fail in some scenarios - new observation: older engines might fail with new scripts but I'm not going to check for versions (in fact, if we weren't aware of the issue contexts would fail everywhere once such an update rolls out) So .. not much we can do about it other than just manually adapt when a situation arises. The good news is that luametatex is unaffected and that is what the majority used. Hans ps. I assume new luatex binaries have to be put into the old mkiv/mkii installers when they ship with a newer script. Kind of a mess. - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] [ update message ]
running the sh install.sh script to update to the latest version i get a message: /home/vm/context/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/luatex: unrecognized option '--socket' there is probably a reason for it, context seems to compile just fine. mtx-context | current version: 2023.05.05 18:39 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] new units
On 5/7/2023 2:00 PM, Bruce Horrocks wrote: On 7 May 2023, at 10:45, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote: ps. For those unfamiliar with the tex community, when we talk 'research' and such, keep in mind that most tex related research is kind of bogus, wishful thinking, sounding serious, etc. and that most 'projects' are just 'activities by enthousiatic users' In the end it's all about esthetics which is more about feeling and intuition and pretty much driven by user demsnds. In a similar fashion most 'tex conferences' are more user meetings. Will there be new units to represent the amount of alcohol that has to be imbibed in order to (a) create the joke and (b) understand it? I'm not sure which of these needs to be the larger. Perhaps that could be the subject of the next research? During the meeting (aka conference) and in preparation Mikael and I were on 0% alcohol beers, so effectively that unit would then be a multiplier of zero, but I'm sure you can find a usage for that. I forgot to check what the pct was of the wine at the (as usual) huge dinner but I can check the bottle I got from DT. Talking percentages, maybe some high res percentage primitive is interesting (we have .4\somedimen but for counters one needs to cheat a bit). Actually we were talking of some 'eps' and interval based comparison in order to avoid small issues with accumulated rounding (in the sp range) but that is a side track. Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] new units
> On 7 May 2023, at 10:45, Hans Hagen via ntg-context > wrote: > > ps. For those unfamiliar with the tex community, when we talk 'research' and > such, keep in mind that most tex related research is kind of bogus, wishful > thinking, sounding serious, etc. and that most 'projects' are just > 'activities by enthousiatic users' In the end it's all about esthetics which > is more about feeling and intuition and pretty much driven by user demsnds. > In a similar fashion most 'tex conferences' are more user meetings. Will there be new units to represent the amount of alcohol that has to be imbibed in order to (a) create the joke and (b) understand it? I'm not sure which of these needs to be the larger. Perhaps that could be the subject of the next research? — Bruce Horrocks Hampshire, UK ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] new units
On 5/7/2023 12:09 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote: I know it’s not funny to explain jokes, but I don’t seem to know all people involved. You know a subset: Edith Sundqvist : on-site research, presentation Mikael Sundqvist : scientific supervisor, calibration, article Willi Egger : quality assurance, edithorial device Karl Berry : peer review, tugboat Hans Hagen : implementation, article It was a three person presentation on multiple laptops and phones, so very serious indeed. It would not work for a large audience with a distance of more than 100 es (20 theodores) distance to the audience as the audience was also participating. Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] new units
Am 07.05.23 um 11:45 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context: I didn’t understand all details, and I guess some spelling errors are intentional – was there a Calli? Does “precission” refer to anything? And what’s the abbreviation for Theodores? the theodore is only used in reporting an overflow so no real unit (just like feet is no unit in tex but used in the message) of course concerning precission, indeed there was a real beautiful handcrafted measuring device but as with much research one could sort of predict the median outcome esp after the main sample was made beforehand by carefully checking some resources; it was nice to see how most attendents properties fit the bill I thought maybe a play on precision vs. precession (Alan will be pleased to know that actually the Thumb was the starting point which happens to be close to an inch and the oid Dutch measure is Duim.) I understand that the rule of thumb is the rule of 1/11 feet in Amsterdam. ps. So 'I didn’t understand all details' is quite okay because the idea was to put you on the wrong foot (or theodore). It helps when you knwo the people involved, does it? I know it’s not funny to explain jokes, but I don’t seem to know all people involved. Hraban ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] new units
On 5/7/2023 11:29 AM, Mojca Miklavec via ntg-context wrote: On Sun, 7 May 2023 at 11:11, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote: And what’s the abbreviation for Theodores? I assume it must be "tr", though it's somewhat ambiguous what the "r" in "tr" stands for, it seems to be country-dependent ;) actually: as arthur and you are in charge of the language patterns, guess who will sort this out, Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] new units
On 5/7/2023 11:29 AM, Mojca Miklavec via ntg-context wrote: On Sun, 7 May 2023 at 11:11, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote: And what’s the abbreviation for Theodores? I assume it must be "tr", though it's somewhat ambiguous what the "r" in "tr" stands for, it seems to be country-dependent ;) The problem with introducing the theodore is that it introduces another 'male name' unit while actually the new ones got 'female names' in order to counter the didot and cicero (and dk although we considere that a neutral unit), which was one of the projects objectives. Okay, we can from now on assume the 'mm' to be the Mojca which is also more officient: 4 mojcas instead of 4 millimeters. It's a downward compatible change (only in the documentation). Then we can introduce the tr as precisely 5 es, a kind of snaposhot unit, whgich makes me wonder, as the theodore eventually will come close to a foot we might have a \thfactor then that starts out at 5. We can decide at the ctx meeting. (In case one wonders: because internally tex works with fractions mm/cm and ts/es (/tr) make sense.) (As explained during the presentation, adding units to luametatex is not really putting a (performance) burden on this engine. In pdftex and luatex it would have an impact, although in luatex somewhat less because we prioritize our favourite units anyway.) - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] new units
On 5/7/2023 11:10 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote: Am 04.05.23 um 10:01 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context: Hi, We now officially have three new units. These were officially introducd at the 2023 BachoTeX meeting in a presentation where the chair of the four person strong team also did the final live callibration (using the edithorial callibration instrument made for that purpose). An upcoming article in TB will explain the details of the process and also a careful mathematical annalysis of how we reached the right value with a high precission. The actual implementation is the most boring part. Hi Hans, can I have the article also for CGJ, please? I didn’t understand all details, and I guess some spelling errors are intentional – was there a Calli? Does “precission” refer to anything? And what’s the abbreviation for Theodores? the theodore is only used in reporting an overflow so no real unit (just like feet is no unit in tex but used in the message) an article is chicken-egg ... it goes into the tugboat (already checked and prepared, read peer reviewed) but it is no big deal if the ctx journal takes it afterwards (plenty of time) and then the cg members are also informed (it will go in the distribution anyway but normally i wait till after publication) concerning precission, indeed there was a real beautiful handcrafted measuring device but as with much research one could sort of predict the median outcome esp after the main sample was made beforehand by carefully checking some resources; it was nice to see how most attendents properties fit the bill (Alan will be pleased to know that actually the Thumb was the starting point which happens to be close to an inch and the oid Dutch measure is Duim.) Hans ps. For those unfamiliar with the tex community, when we talk 'research' and such, keep in mind that most tex related research is kind of bogus, wishful thinking, sounding serious, etc. and that most 'projects' are just 'activities by enthousiatic users' In the end it's all about esthetics which is more about feeling and intuition and pretty much driven by user demsnds. In a similar fashion most 'tex conferences' are more user meetings. ps. So 'I didn’t understand all details' is quite okay because the idea was to put you on the wrong foot (or theodore). It helps when you knwo the people involved, does it? - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] regular online meet-up
You’re invited to join on Wednesday, May 10th, 15:00 CEST (UTC+2) at https://lecture.senfcall.de/hen-rbr-rku-oke (same, but shorter: https://v34h.de/ctxmtg) ConTeXt users of all levels are welcome! Next meeting will be on June 14th. (Same blurb as every time:) [Howto] * No special software installation required; most modern browsers should work (WebRTC required). * Open the above URL, accept the privacy statement, * enter your name, * click "join" (or "start" if you’re the first), * click "with microphone", allow your browser to access it, check the audio. * Your microphone is muted if you join. Activate microphone and/or camera with the buttons at the bottom. * Minimize the default presentation with the "screen" button, bottom right. * If you’d like to share your screen or upload a file, you can make yourself the presenter: Click on your user name, change the setting, then you’ll see the "screen sharing" button beside the camera button; also there’s now "manage presentations" behind the "plus" button. Beware there is only one presenter at a time, so don’t kill someone else’s presentation. [Technical hints] * Sound is usually better if you use a headset (less noise for everyone). * Connection problems are mostly due to low bandwidth or high latency on your side, e.g. with mobile connections. * If audio/video doesn’t work for you, you can still use the text chat. * Screen sharing needs a lot of bandwidth. * BigBlueButton documentation applies: https://bigbluebutton.org/teachers/tutorials/ [Netiquette] * Please use a name that we recognize from here. Some feel uncomfortable with anonymous lurkers. * Mute your microphone while you’re not talking. * It’s nice to show your face at least when you join. * If there are connection problems, stop camera sharing. * The room is set to “everyone’s a moderator“, I trust you... See you, Hraban ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] FROScon 2023
Hi, yet another open source conference: https://www.froscon.org 2023-08-05/06 in Bonn-St.Augustin, Germany DANTE will have a booth, and I’m planning to participate, maybe also give a lecture on a ConTeXt subject (practice for TUG, CCCamp and ConTeXt meeting ;) Anyone else? Hraban ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] new units
On Sun, 7 May 2023 at 11:11, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote: > > And what’s the abbreviation for Theodores? I assume it must be "tr", though it's somewhat ambiguous what the "r" in "tr" stands for, it seems to be country-dependent ;) Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] new units
Am 04.05.23 um 10:01 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context: Hi, We now officially have three new units. These were officially introducd at the 2023 BachoTeX meeting in a presentation where the chair of the four person strong team also did the final live callibration (using the edithorial callibration instrument made for that purpose). An upcoming article in TB will explain the details of the process and also a careful mathematical annalysis of how we reached the right value with a high precission. The actual implementation is the most boring part. Hi Hans, can I have the article also for CGJ, please? I didn’t understand all details, and I guess some spelling errors are intentional – was there a Calli? Does “precission” refer to anything? And what’s the abbreviation for Theodores? Hraban ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] new units
On 5/7/2023 2:10 AM, skyhorse--- via ntg-context wrote: Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote: .. Oh, so a bug, I'll fix the message. Not really a unit but then, feet is also not one. That is incorrect. Feet is an establish and proper unit of measurement, which consists of 12 inches. It is used by, at least, several hundred million people. It can be said that the ability to grok and manipulate fractions has many benefits, which the metric system sorely lacks. Sure, but it's not a unit in tex like 10ft so reporting 19 feet looks a bit odd for the (majority) texusers who dont'use feet. (we have mm and cm but not in and ft). I suppose yards could also have been used but probably points out more prominently the limitation. https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voet_(lengtemaat) An amsterdam voet being somewhat smaller actually would have made 20 which is a nicer number and also fits the base 20 inuit system discussed a few weeks ago. Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] new units
On 5/7/2023 4:43 AM, Michael Urban via ntg-context wrote: If you are going to introduce new units, you should at least include the Potrzebie, invented by teenager Donald Knuth and published in the humor magazine Mad Magazine #33. The system is based on the thickness of Mad Magazine #26, equal to 2.2633484517438173216473 mm. See the Wikipedia entry for 'potrzebie' for more information, or search for suitable images. Honestly, I don't know how Knuth resisted putting this in plain TeX. Plain TeX is a format so ther it would be easy, just define \newdimen\potrzebie \potrzebie = 422042sp but for a real unit you need to adapt the original engine and that will not happen because it's in bug fix only mode. Anyway, you can try it in lmtx: \startTEXpage[offset=1dk] \number\dimexpr1dk \stopTEXpage As introduced in: https://www.tug.org/TUGboat/tb42-3/tb132hagen-dk.pdf Like the ts is makes a nice offset. Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] new units
Hi Michael, On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 4:43 AM Michael Urban via ntg-context wrote: > > If you are going to introduce new units, you should at least include the > Potrzebie, invented by teenager Donald Knuth and published in the humor > magazine Mad Magazine #33. The system is based on the thickness of Mad > Magazine #26, equal to 2.2633484517438173216473 mm. > See the Wikipedia entry for 'potrzebie' for more information, or search for > suitable images. > > Honestly, I don't know how Knuth resisted putting this in plain TeX. It is already there for a while, as dk. /Mikael ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
