RE: Install configuration management

2011-11-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I think this is all very interesting. I want to point out that any situation where code is downloaded for execution under the user's privileges while running Apache OpenOffice is an avenue for attack by injection of malicious code and also data mining the user account. The authentication of

RE: [odfauthors-discuss] Feedback link for our documents

2011-11-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
for our documents On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: TJ, I am not entirely comfortable having auth...@documentation.openoffice.org (the correct list), and maybe the other forward to a non-Apache location, though I think it would be valuable

RE: [WWW][Policy] Rewriting contributing.openoffice.org

2011-11-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
And then there's contributor as a term of art in The Apache Way. The progression is contributor to committer. Apparently one can contribute by participating in the Apache nomenclature. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Friday, November 18,

RE: [CONF] Apache OpenOffice.org Community Branding Planning

2011-11-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I thought it was clear that the vote was for Trademark and Branding, specifically with regard to the product. As I recall, the project name was explicitly excluded. I don't have any objection to the project being Apache OpenOffice too, I just don't think that was in the scope of the ballot.

RE: [WWW][Policy] Participate! - Rewriting contributing.openoffice.org

2011-11-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 on podling pages. Good catch. I think maybe contributing.openoffice.org should go away. If it redirects, it should be to an i.a.o page, but nuking it might be best of all. The places where there are links to it need to be renamed for Contributing to Apache OpenOffice, unless it is

RE: Apache Licensed Fonts (was Re: Font related questions)

2011-11-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I welcome anyone who is willing to share the PITA burden concerning licensing, IP, terms-of-use, etc. With regard to the NOTICE file. In a binary release, yes. If the work is being embedded somehow and/or installed in some manner, the NOTICE that is included in the executable install

RE: Install configuration management

2011-11-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
configuration management On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I think this is all very interesting. I want to point out that any situation where code is downloaded for execution under the user's privileges while running Apache OpenOffice is an avenue

RE: Apache Licensed Fonts (was Re: Font related questions)

2011-11-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Subject: Re: Apache Licensed Fonts (was Re: Font related questions) On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I welcome anyone who is willing to share the PITA burden concerning licensing, IP, terms-of-use, etc. With regard to the NOTICE file. In a binary

RE: Apache Licensed Fonts (was Re: Font related questions)

2011-11-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Rob, I would add 3) What makes it easy for an adopter of a binary release to know what license permissions and license conditions and restrictions apply to their use of the artifact. I agree about the confusion downstream. It also matters how diligent downstream producers are in handling of

RE: [WWW][Policy] Participate! - Rewriting contributing.openoffice.org

2011-11-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 on addition of Education -Original Message- From: eric b [mailto:eric.bach...@free.fr] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 12:38 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [WWW][Policy] Participate! - Rewriting contributing.openoffice.org Hi, Le 18 nov. 11 à 20:40, Dave Fisher a

RE: Apache Licensed Fonts (was Re: Font related questions)

2011-11-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
[mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 12:54 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Apache Licensed Fonts (was Re: Font related questions) On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: Rob, I would add 3) What makes it easy

[ANNOUNCE] Time-Limit for Absent Initial Committers Reached

2011-11-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
with all participants on ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org without becoming a committer You can also be invited to become a committer at a later time upon recognition of your contributions to the project. - for the Apache OpenOffice.org PPMC -Original Message- From: Dennis E

RE: [DISCUSS]+[VOTE] Trademark and Branding

2011-11-17 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
That was not my intention, Rob. I had no idea there was discussion at http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49t=45224. All I provided was a notice. My message was to advise Forum readers, especially the volunteers of the fact that the [VOTE] was happening here. I am

RE: Time for the ASF to send an Open Letter?

2011-11-17 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Both Stefan and Martin have iCLAs on file. Both signed up on the Incubator Proposal as Initial Committers. Stefan completed the process to be established as a committer. He is also eligible to be on the PPMC. Communication and administrative delays, sometimes mine, often arise in the

RE: [odfauthors-discuss] Feedback link for our documents

2011-11-17 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Good catch. There is no such address at the moment. Since @*.openoffice.org lists and e-mail forwardings will cease operation in the near future, some special action will be needed. I am taking the liberty of cross-posting this reply to ooo-dev so that it is noticed among the mitigation

RE: [DISCUSS]+[VOTE] Trademark and Branding

2011-11-17 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
At risk of creating a self-fulfilling prophecy about the length of this thread, I want to offer a mild disagreement. Here, there is pontification about a discussion that wasn't even held here. The interpretations have no ground. It might be interesting to have the discussion where the

RE: Draft IP Review Plan for OpenOffice

2011-11-17 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I had thought that category X artifacts needed to accomplish a build would be excluded from the release but identified as prerequisites for the build. They would never be distributed in the Apache OpenOffice release. (I am becoming rapidly accustomed to using that name.) Some become

RE: Draft IP Review Plan for OpenOffice

2011-11-17 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Good point, Dave. I think one important consideration around this Opt-in provisions is also whether the download is something that is authenticated in some manner or is at the user's risk. I don't quite know how that gets dealt with. It may be that some arrangements for acquiring extensions

RE: Draft IP Review Plan for OpenOffice

2011-11-17 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 on not downloading anything without consent. -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:11 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Draft IP Review Plan for OpenOffice On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Dave Fisher

RE: [DISCUSS]+[VOTE] Trademark and Branding

2011-11-17 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
For the record, if one posts to ooo-dev without subscribing, there is no way to know that posting succeeded, without looking on the archive. There is also no way to see replies directly, unless other posters realize that the poster is not subscribed and provide a direct CC:. Although

RE: [odfauthors-discuss] Feedback link for our documents

2011-11-17 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I think Dan's proposal to change to an independent ODFAuthors feedback address is appropriate. Meanwhile, where there are copies that can't be modified, it seems desirable to see if a special arrangement can be made for feedback@ documentation.openoffice.org. I suspect there might be a

RE: [odfauthors-discuss] Feedback link for our documents

2011-11-17 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
services and lists can now be found.That would catch this case as well as any others. -Rob Regards, Dave On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: I think Dan's proposal to change to an independent ODFAuthors feedback address is appropriate. Meanwhile, where there are copies

2011-11-17 PPMC Status: Bringing Initial Committers On-Board

2011-11-17 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
-11-18T24:00Z, the Initial Committer status will have expired. - Dennis for the Apache OOo PPMC -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:11 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: 2011-10-12 PPMC Status: Bringing

RE: Blog Draft: OpenOffice.org Migration -- The Community Forums

2011-11-16 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
orcmid comments=in-line / -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 19:56 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; dennis.hamil...@acm.org Subject: Re: Blog Draft: OpenOffice.org Migration -- The

RE: Blog Draft: OpenOffice.org Migration -- The Community Forums

2011-11-15 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
the Preview URL from that interface.) If I don't figure this out before the day ends (UTC-0800), I will put the text of the post into an ooo-dev message. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 20:38 To: ooo

RE: Blog Draft: OpenOffice.org Migration -- The Community Forums

2011-11-15 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
there is a way to aggregate personal blogs at Apache Planet). There is a protocol about having posts be where they can be reviewed. -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 12:48 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org

RE: Anybody interested in TestTool? I wrote a Java lib to replace it.

2011-11-15 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
. - Dennis E. Hamilton tools for document interoperability, http://nfoWorks.org/ dennis.hamil...@acm.org gsm: +1-206-779-9430 @orcmid -Original Message- From: Zhe Liu [mailto:liu...@cn.ibm.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 18:29 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org

RE: GPL'd dictionaries (was Re: ftp.services.openoffice.org?)

2011-11-14 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 -Original Message- From: Gianluca Turconi [mailto:pub...@letturefantastiche.com] Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 00:32 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: GPL'd dictionaries (was Re: ftp.services.openoffice.org?) In data 13 novembre 2011 alle ore 18:39:34, Andrea Pescetti

Blog Draft: OpenOffice.org Migration -- The Community Forums

2011-11-14 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
are, any longer.) - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 13:30 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: 'Rob Weir'; 'RGB ES' Subject: RE: Include link to Forums on incubator page? RGB and I and other Forum mavens

RE: How to change the login of AOO BZ instance?

2011-11-13 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I think there may be some confusion between BZ user IDs and the e-mail that ID forwards to. For technical reasons, the original one-word User IDs were replaced by their corresponding one-word@ openoffice.org e-mail addresses. That address is used as an identifier and, as far as I know, has

RE: How to change the login of AOO BZ instance?

2011-11-13 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
. -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 12:04 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: How to change the login of AOO BZ instance? I think there may be some confusion between BZ user IDs and the e-mail that ID forwards

RE: How to change the login of AOO BZ instance?

2011-11-13 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Ahah. Yes. Agreed: In an issue or issue comment, any link with a BZ User Name has a mailto: behind it. It will be the *current* e-mail that the account is set to forward to. For example, I just changed my forwarding for orcmid@ openoffice.org in the AOO BZ to orcmid@ apache.org,

RE: How to change the login of AOO BZ instance?

2011-11-13 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I think there are 2.5 conversations here. 1. One is about how the forwarding address on a BZ account is visible on all BZ pages where the account identifier appears as the visible text of a link. That is probably worth a BZ issue (!?) on having that changed. Experts with BZ moxie need to

RE: How to change the login of AOO BZ instance?

2011-11-13 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
safe [;). -Original Message- From: TJ Frazier [mailto:tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 13:47 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: How to change the login of AOO BZ instance? Hi, Dennis, On 11/13/2011 15:14, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: [ ... ] The confirmation

RE: Include link to Forums on incubator page?

2011-11-12 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
RGB and I and other Forum mavens are going to work something up and I'll bring it into the blog queue by end of day Monday (US PST). @Rob: Meanwhile, please go ahead and add it to the podling status file. - Dennis E. Hamilton tools for document interoperability, http://nfoWorks.org

RE: Shutdown of openoffice.org email forwarder: How to notify users

2011-11-10 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Since it appears that the forwarding list will never be in ASF custody, I don't see how the project has any recourse but Plan 1. Everything else depends on action by Oracle or access to processes operated by Oracle. I recommend that Oracle action be requested and that Plan 1 be carried out

RE: Shutdown of openoffice.org email forwarder: How to notify users

2011-11-10 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I'm concerned that there is some confusion of lists with the myname@ openoffice.org ID/forwarding scheme. Posts are already going to the lists about their imminent shutdown, with indication of suggested alternatives at ooo-*@ i.a.o lists. There has not been a comparable effort to notify the

RE: Shutdown of openoffice.org email forwarder: How to notify users

2011-11-10 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 18:42 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Shutdown of openoffice.org email forwarder: How to notify users On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I'm concerned that there is some confusion of lists

RE: [DISCUSS][WWW] Current Polish web site -- pl.openoffice.org

2011-11-09 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Unfortunately[?], zombies.org is taken. But kingzombie.org seems to be available. Thanks for bringing playfulness to this place. You've been missed, Louis. - Dennis E. Hamilton tools for document interoperability, http://nfoWorks.org/ dennis.hamil...@acm.org gsm: +1-206-779-9430

RE: [VOTE] Trademark and Brand

2011-11-09 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
b) Apache OpenOffice - Dennis -Original Message- From: Donald Harbison [mailto:dpharbi...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 19:47 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: [VOTE] Trademark and Brand As promised, here's the ballot. Choose one, cast your vote. If none of

RE: [CODE] issue 118576: Crash on close

2011-11-08 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I concur on reverting the patch. It would be appropriate for a committer who has not seen the patch to use the bugzilla report to independently derive a fix from the information that isolates the defect, assuming that such details are available. I have the feeling that is not the case, and

RE: The Old OOo Site

2011-11-08 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Short addition: 1. There are alternatives to using SVN from the command line. I use TortoiseSVN quite happily. 2. Louis is an Apache OO.o incubator committer and can start working at once. 3. I would not consider the old site dead but I agree that many changes should be made at our

CWS Availability (was RE: [CODE] issue 118576: Crash on close)

2011-11-08 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 14:40 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [CODE] issue 118576: Crash on close Hi Dennis, Le 8 nov. 11 à 22:45, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit : I concur on reverting the patch. Me too : Andre explained everything and convinced me that the issue needs

RE: Need a current build for WinXP 32bit

2011-11-06 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Subject: Re: Need a current build for WinXP 32bit On 31.10.2011 20:18, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Regina, I would like to find an already built Win32 WinXP version too. I despair of ever succeeding in building one myself without extensive practice with the tools that I am expected to operate

RE: [ISSUE] Shut-down of all name@ openoffice.org e-mail addresses

2011-11-06 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I was digging around in my personal way-back machine for where discussion about myname@ openoffice.org had occurred. Something struck me about the magic 500,000 number. When IDs are issued, even if later de-activated, the ID is usually retained to avoid accidental re-issue of it to a

RE: GPL'd dictionaries (was Re: ftp.services.openoffice.org?)

2011-11-06 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 I heartily agree with Dave's suggestion. The issue has been made very clear by Andrea and I think it would be good to raise an issue on the LEGAL JIRA. (Registration required, but I don't think committer status is needed.) Also, legal-discuss@ apache.org is an useful place, but my

RE: [ISSUE] Shut-down of all name@ openoffice.org e-mail addresses

2011-11-05 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
So, this exceptionalism for friends for Rob is being offered, without consideration at all for those friends of OpenOffice.org who have relied on those e-mail forwardings and proudly organized their e-mail existence around that affiliation. This smells a bit like mit.alumni.edu (or whatever

FW: [libreoffice-users] MS font exploit

2011-11-05 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
at the time that I wrote the following.) -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 11:19 To: 'us...@global.libreoffice.org' Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] MS font exploit There are two microsoft.com pages that relate

RE: URL redirection lost

2011-11-04 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
site. - Dennis E. Hamilton tools for document interoperability, http://nfoWorks.org/ dennis.hamil...@acm.org gsm: +1-206-779-9430 @orcmid -Original Message- From: Jean-Paul Chiron [mailto:jpchi...@sud-ouest.org] Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 09:36 To: ooo-dev

RE: [DISCUSS] easier access for N-L sites during staging process

2011-11-04 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
during staging process On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.orgwrote: [ ... ] Also, ooo-users might be a better target than ooo-dev. Why? These would be people reporting problems with the staging web site, not the product [ ... ] smime.p7s Description: S

RE: [ISSUE] Shut-down of all name@ openoffice.org e-mail addresses

2011-11-02 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
) suggestions. On 11/2/2011 12:01 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Hi Dave, where I am confused is the focus on Mailing-List forwarding rather than E-mail forwarding. I can't tell what the intended behaviors are. Let's get clear: 1. If someone posts to one of the old e-mail list addresses (e.g

RE: Process for deciding on branding strategy for our first release

2011-11-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
sure that eventuality is forestalled. I recommend that a single list be chosen for continuation. At present, instead of providing shelter of the ooo-marketing list from the clutter on ooo-dev, this is either adding clutter to ooo-dev or it really needs to be a [DISCUSS] there. - Dennis E

new committer: T.J. Frazier

2011-11-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
The Apache OOo PPMC announces the addition of initial committer T.J. Frazier: Apache ID tj The list of all current podling committers is at: http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#ooo. Committers have a defined role in the workings of the Apache Software Foundation:

new committer: Ariel Constenla-Haile

2011-11-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
The Apache OOo PPMC announces the addition of committer Ariel Constenla-Haile: Apache ID arielch The list of all current podling committers is at: http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#ooo. Committers have a defined role in the workings of the Apache Software Foundation:

[ISSUE] Shut-down of all name@ openoffice.org e-mail addresses

2011-11-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
. I have an appraisal of the issue. It is something that requires mutual understanding and, out of our mutual attention, the prospect of a workable solution. - Dennis E. Hamilton tools for document interoperability, http://nfoWorks.org/ dennis.hamil...@acm.org gsm: +1-206-779-9430

RE: [wiki] Congrats to all on the migration!

2011-11-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I share the congratulations. Also, I want to acknowledge the contribution of Terry Ellison. Although there was an upset, Terry has operated silently to continue some of this work. And, without his initial efforts, none of this would have happened at all. - Dennis E. Hamilton tools

RE: Process for deciding on branding strategy for our first release

2011-11-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: If every post on this thread is being cross-posted to two lists, why is it being conducted on two lists? All it does is expose the prospect of the thread forking between the two lists and turning into a tangled mess. It also

RE: [ISSUE] Shut-down of all name@ openoffice.org e-mail addresses

2011-11-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
] Shut-down of all name@ openoffice.org e-mail addresses On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: There are problems concerning migration of yourname@ openoffice.org, listname@ openoffice.org, and servicename@ openoffice.org. Consequently, all yourname

new committer: Michael Stehmann

2011-11-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
The Apache OOo PPMC announces the addition of Initial Committer Michael Stehmann: Apache ID mikeadvo The list of all current podling committers is at: http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#ooo. Committers have a defined role in the workings of the Apache Software Foundation:

RE: [ISSUE] Shut-down of all name@ openoffice.org e-mail addresses

2011-11-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Whoa, now I am really confused. This seems to have gone in the opposite direction than what I thought. First it narrowed down to privileging some small set of BZ users. And then protecting our committers that have @openoffice.org email addresses. Also, I don't think there had been any

RE: [ISSUE] Shut-down of all name@ openoffice.org e-mail addresses

2011-11-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 20:35 To: orc...@apache.org Cc: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; 'Joe Schaefer' Subject: Re: [ISSUE] Shut-down of all name@ openoffice.org e-mail addresses On Nov 1, 2011, at 8:07 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Whoa, now I am really confused. This seems to have gone

RE: Need a current build for WinXP 32bit

2011-10-31 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Regina, I would like to find an already built Win32 WinXP version too. I despair of ever succeeding in building one myself without extensive practice with the tools that I am expected to operate to accomplish that. I don't know how to deal with the ATL dependencies. I thought that it was

RE: Staging OOo Site: Bugs and Improvements

2011-10-31 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Site: Bugs and Improvements On 10/31/11 5:55 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: On Oct 30, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: [ ... ] 4. This page, for Downloads, linked from the ES home page, has a PayPal button and solicits $25 donations for downloads: http://ooo-site.apache.org/es/programa

RE: Process for deciding on branding strategy for our first release

2011-10-31 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
As far as I can tell, it is a condition of Apache governance that it be done on the list. That is a requirement for how The Apache Way works. It is up to all of us to have it work. I don't believe, however, that ooo-marketing counts as a list where deliberation on matters of the project

RE: Staging OOo Site: Bugs and Improvements

2011-10-31 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
-commits? CWiki is just as visible there as BZ. I don't know what you are -1 ing? Regards, Dave On Oct 31, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: +1 I agree that the PayPal and other specific donation pages on http:// *.openoffice.org properties must be removed. Likewise the Team Office

RE: Staging OOo Site: Bugs and Improvements

2011-10-31 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I meant when Dave is done. -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 15:32 To: 'ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org' Subject: RE: Staging OOo Site: Bugs and Improvements I was talking about the CWiki commit messages that go

Staging OOo Site: Bugs and Improvements

2011-10-30 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I've run into some things on the staging site, some from templates/boilerplate, some for other content issues. Do these go into the Bugzilla? I don't feel comfortable mucking around with them directly without someone more expert deciding the course of action. - Dennis -Original

RE: Staging OOo Site: Bugs and Improvements

2011-10-30 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
: Bugs and Improvements On Oct 30, 2011, at 8:40 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: On Oct 30, 2011, at 8:10 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: I've run into some things on the staging site, some from templates/boilerplate, some for other content issues. I've made some changes today that might show

RE: Neutral / shared security list ...

2011-10-25 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Rob, It is an interesting social observation that distrust is not exemplary of being trustworthy. (Distrust is a kind of permission to be righteously untrustworthy, as is too easily demonstrated in world affairs as well as closer to home in regard to specific events already discussed on this

RE: Neutral / shared security list ...

2011-10-25 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Having some lists on Sourceforge makes it clear to me that you don't want to go there. My sourceforge e-mail address, the one associated with the lists, receives an incredible number of bounces of false e-mails allegedly from the list as well as crap sent to the list. It is difficult to avoid

RE: Neutral / shared security list ...

2011-10-25 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 I am very much in support of the view that Dave has evolved in this discussion. The discussion is not about the private security teams each project must have to deal with its security issues and to ensure the secure operation of the dealing with security issues. If there is to be a

RE: Draft mailing list notification post

2011-10-25 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 Good eye! [For me, the first problem is to get it all written down. Then the problem is to figure out how to make it the most useful to the reader, ideally by having the biggest questions answered first. For everything but the first part (and sometimes that too), it is useful to have

RE: Neutral / shared security list ...

2011-10-25 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Umm, head-slap moment. I happen to be the proud owner of worthiness.org. Truly. It is not hosted, but I have been sitting on the domain name for several years. It was part of my M.Sc in IT project on Open Systems Trustworthiness. I won't go into that here. There is a reasonable capsule

RE: [proposal] Neutral / shared security list ...

2011-10-25 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Dave, if you are going to do that, just relabeling a thread is not helpful. Please compose a specific concrete proposal under a [DISCUSS], and announce the duration and end-time for a lazy consensus at the top. Give it at least 3 full 24-hour calendar days. I don't have any sense that there

RE: [proposal] Neutral / shared security list ...

2011-10-25 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
this to a successful conclusion. -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 15:45 To: 'ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org' Cc: 'Dave Fisher' Subject: RE: [proposal] Neutral / shared security list ... Dave, if you are going to do that, just

RE: Neutral / shared security list ...

2011-10-25 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Andrew, I think part of the confusion is from the discussion leading up to the creation of ooo-security and some related discussion about why securityteam@ was not enough at that time. Without getting into the he-said,she-said part of it, that seems to be the origin. There was more when the

RE: [proposal] Neutral / shared security list ...

2011-10-25 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [proposal] Neutral / shared security list ... On Oct 25, 2011, at 4:01 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Oh, and the most important part: In want way is the AOOo party to the consensus that is reached? That ooo-security (an agent of the PPMC, essentially

RE: [proposal] Neutral / shared security list ...

2011-10-25 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
security list ... On Oct 25, 2011, at 4:05 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: Oh, and the most important part: In want way is the AOOo party to the consensus that is reached? That ooo-security (an agent of the PPMC

RE: [proposal] development for the first AOO release

2011-10-24 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Preview release. It and the second will certainly be ways to bring the QA, localization, and related activities back into action as well. Exciting times ahead! - Dennis E. Hamilton tools for document interoperability, http://nfoWorks.org/ dennis.hamil...@acm.org gsm: +1-206-779-9430

RE: Migration Status Page

2011-10-24 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Um, I think there is a lot of how to submit a bug, how to find bugzilla information on OO.o that will need to be cleaned up still. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Marcus (OOo) [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 13:54 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org

RE: Migration Status Page

2011-10-24 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Also, there is clean-up needed on the AOOo bugzilla instance. Is there a place for issues about that? -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 14:30 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: Migration Status Page

RE: Migration Status Page

2011-10-24 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
. If we fill it up with buts and caveats and exceptions, then it will not serve its purpose as a high level overview. -Rob Regards, Dave Sent from my iPhone On Oct 24, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: Um, I think there is a lot of how to submit a bug

RE: Shutdown of the download.services.openoffice.org host and its Mirrorbrain instance

2011-10-24 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I read somewhere, and I don't know where, that ASF did not want torrents to be used. I'm guessing that the issue is related to ensuring the integrity and authenticity of packaged releases. Of course, one cannot prevent folks from torrenting binaries, but it is not something ASF wanted to

RE: License implications of build-time or test-time dependencies?

2011-10-23 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
License Grants (section 3), the terms appear quite similar to those of the Apache iCLA. In this case, the grant of license is to Nokia. There are other terms that may be of concern and I offer no opinion on the acceptability of the Qt iCLA by anyone. That's about enough for Sunday reading. - Dennis E

RE: [VOTE][RESULT] Acceptance of the OpenOffice.org Proposal

2011-10-22 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
First, no votes that were not on the [VOTE] thread are reflected in the report. The [VOTE] announcement stated that only votes on that one thread would be counted. (I know that got trimmed on various threads, but I can't do anything about that.) I am sorry that two voters placed their votes

[DISCUSS] Migration of Forums Recruitment of Operators

2011-10-22 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
of the OpenOffice.org Proposal On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.org wrote: On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 12:26 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: The vote to accept the proposal for governance

RE: Google code-in 2011: can we still make it?

2011-10-21 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Pedro, GCI participation is being discussed on the dev-community list. You should check into that conversation, dev @ community.apache.org with archive at http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/continuum-dev/. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Pedro Giffuni [mailto:p...@apache.org]

FW: podlings please update your list of mentors

2011-10-21 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
the various lists accordingly. For general information: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/mentor.html is the guide for podling mentors, http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html#Incubator+ASF+Board+Reports is the related PPMC guide - Dennis E. Hamilton tools for document

RE: [REVIEW] Staged Migration of OO.o domain properties (long)

2011-10-21 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 -Original Message- From: Shane Curcuru [mailto:a...@shanecurcuru.org] Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 05:46 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [REVIEW] Staged Migration of OO.o domain properties (long) It would be very useful if people interested in the branding aspects of

new committer: Pavel Janík

2011-10-21 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
The Apache OOo PPMC announces the addition of initial committer Pavel Janík: paveljanik @ apache.org. The list of all current podling committers is at: http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#ooo. Committers have a defined rôle in the workings of the Apache Software Foundation:

[DISCUSS] Neutral / shared security list proposal

2011-10-21 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
consensus is required. AOOo ooo-security follows that list, as I described previously. And there appear to be at least three of us from the AOOo PPMC that are individually subscribed. So AOOo representation in the discussion can be assured. What's next? - Dennis E. Hamilton tools

RE: new committer: Pavel Janík

2011-10-21 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
, 2011, at 7:45 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: The Apache OOo PPMC announces the addition of initial committer Pavel Janík: paveljanik @ apache.org. Does Pavel's Apache id have an í or i? You have an i here? Regards, Dave The list of all current podling committers is at: http

RE: Documention roadmap (was Re: Google code-in 2011: can we still make it?)

2011-10-21 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Pedro, Yes, GSoC and GCI are different. Also, I don't think it involves adding committers, but it definitely adds work for GCI mentors. In any case, I recommend that you hop onto d...@community.apache.org while there is time to find out what is required and whether ASF will be

RE: new committer: Pavel Janík

2011-10-21 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Correction: Pavel was not an initial committer. (I borrowed the wrong message to use as boilerplate.) Pavel was invited by [VOTE] of the PPMC and his establishment as a committer has been completed. -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] Sent: Friday

RE: [DISCUSS] Neutral / shared security list proposal

2011-10-21 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
at 08:11 -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: It is not something that can be done unilaterally here on the AOOo podling. Do you propose that this be discussed at securityteam@ OO.o? It would seem that is where consensus is required. Last I checked only a few from TDF's security group

RE: [DISCUSS] Neutral / shared security list proposal

2011-10-21 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
@incubator.apache.org; lsecurity Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Neutral / shared security list proposal Hi Dennis list, On Fri, 2011-10-21 at 08:11 -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: It is not something that can be done unilaterally here on the AOOo podling. Do you propose that this be discussed

RE: [DISCUSS] Neutral / shared security list proposal

2011-10-21 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
to cross post like this between public and private lists. Let's stop that. Now. -Rob 2011/10/21 Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org: OK, I am going ahead and including securityteam@OO.o in this discussion, then all of us can see what's being discussed. I am adding the full text

RE: Disposition of *.services.oo.o

2011-10-21 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 -Original Message- From: TJ Frazier [mailto:tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 16:38 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Disposition of *.services.oo.o On 10/21/2011 18:48, Kay Schenk wrote: On 10/21/2011 01:31 PM, TJ Frazier wrote: Dave, I want to be

RE: Disposition of *.services.oo.o

2011-10-21 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
) assuming that tarballs of those source trees were captured. - Dennis E. Hamilton tools for document interoperability, http://nfoWorks.org/ dennis.hamil...@acm.org gsm: +1-206-779-9430 @orcmid -Original Message- From: Marcus (OOo) [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Friday, October

[VOTE][RESULT] Acceptance of the OpenOffice.org Proposal

2011-10-21 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Forum operators along with the impending 2011-10-28 shutdown of the current server that was learned of today. - Dennis E. Hamilton, for the Apache OpenOffice.org PPMC TALLY OF VOTES CAST +1 Dave Barton : bmcs PPMC +1 David Fisher : wave PPMC +1 Wolf Halton : wolfhalton PPMC +1

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