Re: Apache BarCamp - Oxford University Club, Sep 11

2011-08-03 Thread imacat
This event looks great! On 2011/08/04 11:32, Dennis E. Hamilton said: > That's one of the greatest *camp event pages I've seen. The extensive > directions and great maps have me seriously regret I won't be walking any of > those streets in September. > > Kudos, > > - Dennis > > -Origina

Re: Who supports OpenOffice.org 3.3.0? (was Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org?)

2011-08-03 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hello Katzunari-san; This is not an official response but we will continue receiving Bug reports and we will provide an upgrade path. This involves some limited support: we will likely want to End-Of-Line ASAP non-Apache releases, and we won't be distributing them anymore. Like in all opensource

RE: Apache BarCamp - Oxford University Club, Sep 11

2011-08-03 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
That's one of the greatest *camp event pages I've seen. The extensive directions and great maps have me seriously regret I won't be walking any of those streets in September. Kudos, - Dennis -Original Message- From: Donald Harbison [mailto:dpharbi...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, Augu

Who supports OpenOffice.org 3.3.0? (was Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org?)

2011-08-03 Thread Kazunari Hirano
Hi all, Who will support OpenOffice.org 3.3.0 and previous versions? We have got many OpenOffice.org 3 users. We have many local government users, SMB users and big company users. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/JA/Marketing/OpenOffice.org_Deployments Some use OpenOffice.org 3.2. Many u

Re: Apache BarCamp - Oxford University Club, Sep 11

2011-08-03 Thread Donald Harbison
Ross, Thanks for re-posting my bungled link attempt. Yes, this is a very cool opportunity for Apache folks and those from other communities; e.g. LibreOffice, to come together. I hope those here on list will forward accordingly. best! /don On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: >

Access to wiki

2011-08-03 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
I've got completely lost in all the mutations of the "Refactoring" thread, and don't recall all that has been said, so please forgive me if what I'm about to suggest has been dealt with already. Two low-barrier methods I have seen work quite successfully on wikis, forums, and similar sites are: 1

Japanese site, wiki, forum and mailing lists (was Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org?)

2011-08-03 Thread Kazunari Hirano
Hi all, All the contents of Japanese site[1], wiki[2], forum[3], mailing lists[4] are essential assets to create a new Japanese OpenOffice.org [1] http://ja.openoffice.org/ [2] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/JA/ [3] http://user.services.openoffice.org/ja/forum/ [4] ht

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Kazunari Hirano
Hi Dennis and all, On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 3:37 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > My interpretation is that we could have Apache ooo as the identifier of the > core Apache project > built on what we factor out of the Oracle grant, leaving OpenOffice.org as a > web site and > a family of distribut

Re: How to handle the downloads?

2011-08-03 Thread Dave Fisher
On Aug 3, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Gavin McDonald wrote: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Marcus (OOo) [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] >> Sent: Thursday, 4 August 2011 8:54 AM >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >> Subject: Re: How to handle the downloads? >> >> Am 08/04/2011 12:38 AM, schrie

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Dave Fisher
On Aug 3, 2011, at 12:52 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Here's an item cribbed from another list that is relevant to concerns about > downloads and perhaps user-created content on OpenOffice.org: > > -Original Message- > From: Roy T. Fielding [mailto:field...@gbiv.com] > Sent: Wednesda

RE: How to handle the downloads?

2011-08-03 Thread Gavin McDonald
> -Original Message- > From: Marcus (OOo) [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > Sent: Thursday, 4 August 2011 8:54 AM > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: How to handle the downloads? > > Am 08/04/2011 12:38 AM, schrieb Gavin McDonald: > > > > > >> -Original Message- > >>

Re: Community outreach to openoffice.org visitors?

2011-08-03 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 08/03/2011 11:58 PM, schrieb Andrew Rist: On 8/3/2011 2:27 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Do you mean this? http://www.openoffic.org http://www.openoffic.org/news Or which landing pages do you have in mind? An idea: is there any easy way to get

Re: How to handle the downloads?

2011-08-03 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 08/04/2011 12:38 AM, schrieb Gavin McDonald: -Original Message- From: Marcus (OOo) [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Wednesday, 3 August 2011 6:45 PM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: How to handle the downloads? Am 08/03/2011 02:17 AM, schrieb Gavin McDonald: -O

RE: How to handle the downloads?

2011-08-03 Thread Gavin McDonald
> -Original Message- > From: Marcus (OOo) [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > Sent: Wednesday, 3 August 2011 6:45 PM > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: How to handle the downloads? > > Am 08/03/2011 02:17 AM, schrieb Gavin McDonald: > >> -Original Message- > >> From: M

Re: Community outreach to openoffice.org visitors?

2011-08-03 Thread Kay Schenk
On 08/03/2011 02:52 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 08/03/2011 11:41 PM, schrieb Raphael Bircher: Am 03.08.11 23:27, schrieb Rob Weir: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Do you mean this? http://www.openoffic.org http://www.openoffic.org/news Or which landing pages do you have

Re: Community outreach to openoffice.org visitors?

2011-08-03 Thread Andrew Rist
On 8/3/2011 2:27 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Do you mean this? http://www.openoffic.org http://www.openoffic.org/news Or which landing pages do you have in mind? An idea: is there any easy way to get it into the header, so it is on every page?

Re: Community outreach to openoffice.org visitors?

2011-08-03 Thread Raphael Bircher
Am 03.08.11 23:52, schrieb Marcus (OOo): Am 08/03/2011 11:41 PM, schrieb Raphael Bircher: Am 03.08.11 23:27, schrieb Rob Weir: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Do you mean this? http://www.openoffic.org http://www.openoffic.org/news Or which landing pages do you have in mi

Re: Community outreach to openoffice.org visitors?

2011-08-03 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 08/03/2011 11:41 PM, schrieb Raphael Bircher: Am 03.08.11 23:27, schrieb Rob Weir: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Do you mean this? http://www.openoffic.org http://www.openoffic.org/news Or which landing pages do you have in mind? An idea: is there any easy way to ge

Re: Community outreach to openoffice.org visitors?

2011-08-03 Thread Raphael Bircher
Am 03.08.11 23:27, schrieb Rob Weir: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Do you mean this? http://www.openoffic.org http://www.openoffic.org/news Or which landing pages do you have in mind? An idea: is there any easy way to get it into the header, so it is on every page? No,

Re: Community outreach to openoffice.org visitors?

2011-08-03 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Do you mean this? > > http://www.openoffic.org > http://www.openoffic.org/news > > Or which landing pages do you have in mind? > An idea: is there any easy way to get it into the header, so it is on every page? Something like "News: Apache Op

Re: Apache BarCamp - Oxford University Club, Sep 11

2011-08-03 Thread Ross Gardler
On 3 August 2011 22:20, Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Donald Harbison wrote: >> I am keen to help facilitate an Apache OpenOffice theme within the upcoming >> Apache BarCamp scheduled for Oxford on September 11[1]. >> In particular, it would be great if developers from both Op

Re: Apache BarCamp - Oxford University Club, Sep 11

2011-08-03 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Donald Harbison wrote: > I am keen to help facilitate an Apache OpenOffice theme within the upcoming > Apache BarCamp scheduled for Oxford on September 11[1]. > In particular, it would be great if developers from both OpenOffice and > LibreOffice could meetup. We ca

Re: Community outreach to openoffice.org visitors?

2011-08-03 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 08/03/2011 10:31 PM, schrieb Larry Gusaas: On 2011/08/03 2:26 PM Marcus (OOo) wrote: Sorry, of course I meant these: http://www.openoffice.org http://www.openoffice.org/news I think you knew this. ;-) Of course. But only after clicking on the previous links which opened a pop up in Safari

Re: OOO340 to svn - directory setup

2011-08-03 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hi; --- On Wed, 8/3/11, Mathias Bauer wrote: ... > > As Stephan wrote, the structure can be changed easily > afterwards. > Building and packaging should follow dependencies (after > all that was the idea of our new build environment) and > so the directory structure is of second order importance.

Re: OOO340 to svn - directory setup

2011-08-03 Thread Ingrid von der Mehden
Am 03.08.2011 21:23, schrieb Mathias Bauer: On 03.08.2011 10:38, IngridvdM wrote: Am 03.08.2011 10:24, schrieb Stephan Bergmann: On Aug 3, 2011, at 8:45 AM, IngridvdM wrote: Ok agreed, binfilter is not the best example. But what about the general idea to have a second directory where we can p

Re: Community outreach to openoffice.org visitors?

2011-08-03 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2011/08/03 2:26 PM Marcus (OOo) wrote: Sorry, of course I meant these: http://www.openoffice.org http://www.openoffice.org/news I think you knew this. ;-) Of course. But only after clicking on the previous links which opened a pop up in Safari which wouldn't go away until I force quit Safa

Re: Community outreach to openoffice.org visitors?

2011-08-03 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Sorry, of course I meant these: http://www.openoffice.org http://www.openoffice.org/news I think you knew this. ;-) Marcus Am 08/03/2011 10:13 PM, schrieb Larry Gusaas: On 2011/08/03 1:43 PM Marcus (OOo) wrote: Do you mean this? Or which landing pages do you have in mind? Marcus Why

Re: Community outreach to openoffice.org visitors?

2011-08-03 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2011/08/03 1:43 PM Marcus (OOo) wrote: Do you mean this? Or which landing pages do you have in mind? Marcus Why are you posting spam links? Both links leave out the final e in openoffice and take me to spam sites. Larry -- _ Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw,

Apache BarCamp - Oxford University Club, Sep 11

2011-08-03 Thread Donald Harbison
I am keen to help facilitate an Apache OpenOffice theme within the upcoming Apache BarCamp scheduled for Oxford on September 11[1]. In particular, it would be great if developers from both OpenOffice and LibreOffice could meetup. We can organically shape the event depending on who opts in. If you c

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Here's an item cribbed from another list that is relevant to concerns about downloads and perhaps user-created content on OpenOffice.org: -Original Message- From: Roy T. Fielding [mailto:field...@gbiv.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 12:31 To: legal-disc...@apache.org Subject: Re: C

Re: Community outreach to openoffice.org visitors?

2011-08-03 Thread Dave Fisher
On Aug 3, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Do you mean this? > > http://www.openoffic.org > http://www.openoffic.org/news > > Or which landing pages do you have in mind? According to the svn from Kenai - Kay was the one who made the change to add the latest news on the main page. Wha

Re: Community outreach to openoffice.org visitors?

2011-08-03 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Do you mean this? http://www.openoffic.org http://www.openoffic.org/news Or which landing pages do you have in mind? Marcus Am 08/03/2011 09:29 PM, schrieb Shane Curcuru: (Taking the opportunity to Refactor a new thread on OpenOffice.org) Are there any short term plans to update the main l

Re: How to handle the downloads?

2011-08-03 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 08/03/2011 08:22 PM, schrieb Dave Fisher: Hi Marcus, This is really good. I've updated the diagram with more details and divided it into a 3-way-method: Download Choice #1: Of course the One-Click-Download URL. Download Choice #2: If an install file is not available (wrong OS, no language

Community outreach to openoffice.org visitors?

2011-08-03 Thread Shane Curcuru
(Taking the opportunity to Refactor a new thread on OpenOffice.org) Are there any short term plans to update the main landing pages of the existing OpenOffice.org website(s) to provide user awareness of the transition of the product and project to Apache? I don't know 1) how long it will take

Re: OOO340 to svn - directory setup

2011-08-03 Thread Mathias Bauer
On 03.08.2011 10:38, IngridvdM wrote: > Am 03.08.2011 10:24, schrieb Stephan Bergmann: >> On Aug 3, 2011, at 8:45 AM, IngridvdM wrote: >>> Ok agreed, binfilter is not the best example. >>> But what about the general idea to have a second directory where we can >>> place all the stuff that is not

Re: binfilter (was RE: OOO340 to svn)

2011-08-03 Thread Mathias Bauer
On 03.08.2011 20:25, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > What I managed to glean from the LibreOffice discussion lists is that > binfilter will be separately installable but probably not taken to > end-of-life. (As platforms change, it may be necessary to make new > builds of it.) Binfilter already is i

Re: status of OpenOffice logo?

2011-08-03 Thread Shane Curcuru
The Incubator Branding Guide notes: "Podlings websites SHOULD contain the Apache Incubator Project logo as sign of affiliation." More importantly, the key point is that podlings must ensure their public websites make it clear they are a podling; or rather, that they are not (yet) an official

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Ingrid von der Mehden
Am 03.08.2011 17:04, schrieb Rob Weir: Some good points. Maybe we want to start (or steal) an FAQ on similar "netiquette" points? It might fit in the "Community FAQ's" section. There is a good one already at Apache: http://www.apache.org/dev/contrib-email-tips.html Maybe we can link it prom

RE: status of OpenOffice logo?

2011-08-03 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Sounds good. I think there are some rules about how the Apache symbols are used for in-incubator podlings. (There is a revealing topic on T-shirts somewhere, either legal-discuss or general-incubator, I think.) - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.n

RE: binfilter (was RE: OOO340 to svn)

2011-08-03 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
What I managed to glean from the LibreOffice discussion lists is that binfilter will be separately installable but probably not taken to end-of-life. (As platforms change, it may be necessary to make new builds of it.) There is also discussion about moving some annoying dependencies into the b

Re: How to handle the downloads?

2011-08-03 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Marcus, This is really good. > I've updated the diagram with more details and divided it into a 3-way-method: > > Download Choice #1: > Of course the One-Click-Download URL. > > Download Choice #2: > If an install file is available (wrong OS, no language, etc.) the user can > select from a

RE: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
My reply is to Andy Brown's post, not one of yours. It appears that I failed to CC: him. I have no quarrel about figuring out where PPMC oversight goes and how it is exercised. I allowed for that in my response to Andy with regard to special-privileged cases. I chose not to drag that detail

Re: status of OpenOffice logo?

2011-08-03 Thread Kay Schenk
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 8:56 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > There are some first steps proceding with moving portions of the existng > > OpenOffice.org site to Apache. See, for example, > > > > http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/download/index.

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Dave Fisher
On Aug 3, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: > To be fair, an overly aggressive tone can do just as much poisoning as a > defensive one. I think it is also worth bearing in mind that a lot of people > here are not native English speakers and so it is easy to read things into > posts that were eit

Re: status of OpenOffice logo?

2011-08-03 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Kay, Amazing the volume of emails that came in while driving from San Francisco to Los Angeles. On Aug 3, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: > There are some first steps proceding with moving portions of the existng > OpenOffice.org site to Apache. See, for example, > > http://incubator.a

Re: binfilter (was RE: OOO340 to svn)

2011-08-03 Thread Malte Timmermann
Binfilter will be good for many more time consuming discussions. Many different opinions on if/how to change them, many different opinions on if/why to keep them. Assuming that the binfilter source tree doesn't need clean-up because of IP / license issues, I suggest to simply keep the folder a

Re: Temporary issue tracking

2011-08-03 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: >  1. Is the current OpenOffice.org bugzilla not operating? > >  2. If the issues are about the migration, maybe we should activate a piece > of the Apache JIRA so we can be more systematic, figuring out how to > retire/merge it when the

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: >  1. Well, if we *have* to require an iCLA because we choose (or are limited > to) an approach that makes iCLA mandatory, there is nothing to be gained by > conducting a survey on the matter. > >  2. If we come up with an approach where

Re: status of OpenOffice logo?

2011-08-03 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 08/03/2011 06:46 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 08/03/2011 05:56 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Kay Schenkwrote: There are some first steps proceding with moving portions of the existng OpenOffice.org site to Apac

RE: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
1. Well, if we *have* to require an iCLA because we choose (or are limited to) an approach that makes iCLA mandatory, there is nothing to be gained by conducting a survey on the matter. 2. If we come up with an approach where nothing is changed with regard to what is currently user-editable,

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Rob Weir
I'll give you the context, from earlier in the thread. > A specific question then that should not require diverting your > current efforts. Is there a announcement list or some other mechanism > to send an email to every registered wiki user? > > I don't want to take time away from your higher pr

Re: status of OpenOffice logo?

2011-08-03 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Am 08/03/2011 05:56 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: >> >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Kay Schenk  wrote: >>> >>> There are some first steps proceding with moving portions of the existng >>> OpenOffice.org site to Apache. See, for example, >>> >>> h

Re: How to handle the downloads?

2011-08-03 Thread Marcus (OOo)
I've updated the diagram with more details and divided it into a 3-way-method: Download Choice #1: Of course the One-Click-Download URL. Download Choice #2: If an install file is available (wrong OS, no language, etc.) the user can select from a pre-defined list. Download Choice #3: The user

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Andy Brown
Dennis, We are working on some ideas only. There are questions on how to deal with the current OOo wiki and move it to Apache servers. The concern is that there will be a lose of "active" users if there is a big change in the way edits are made, i.e. requiring an iCLA. At this point we do n

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Andrew Rist
Oracle Email Signature Logo Andrew Rist | Interoperability Architect Oracle Corporate Architecture Group Redwood Shores, CA | 650.506.9847 On 8/3/2011 8:15 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Terry Ellison wrote: On 03/08/11 15:14, Rob Weir wrote: A specific question then

Re: status of OpenOffice logo?

2011-08-03 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 08/03/2011 05:56 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: There are some first steps proceding with moving portions of the existng OpenOffice.org site to Apache. See, for example, http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/download/index.html This page lacks

Re: binfilter (was RE: OOO340 to svn)

2011-08-03 Thread eric b
Le 3 août 11 à 17:49, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit : I believe LibreOffice is already taking action on binfilter, and it would be useful to see if we can match their approach. Also, I think there was (again on LibreOffice) a technical discussion on simplifying the dependencies. I did a lo

RE: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
What message is that? Can we get more concrete here, please. -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:apa...@robweir.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 08:59 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org bran

RE: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Let's slow down here. I don't recognize any alignment on what it is we think we are asking for (or attempting to do). This is going way over the edge past JFDI and/or lazy consensus. -Original Message- From: Andy Brown [mailto:a...@the-martin-byrd.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011

RE: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I suppose it is rather obvious that we have moved far afield from the subject line here. At this point, I have no idea what problem there being a master announce list solves: 1. What is it proposed to be used for? 2. Who will be doing that and speaking for whom? - Dennis -Original M

RE: Temporary issue tracking

2011-08-03 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
1. Is the current OpenOffice.org bugzilla not operating? 2. If the issues are about the migration, maybe we should activate a piece of the Apache JIRA so we can be more systematic, figuring out how to retire/merge it when the OpenOffice.org bugzilla comes over in whatever form we need it in.

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Andy Brown
TerryE wrote: (Some) developers for some arcane reason seem to like DLs. AFAIK, others and the majority of users hate them and regard them as spam, preferring less invasive pull technologies such as forums and subscription services such as gmane. For example, I routinely work 6 forums and 4 wiki

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:44 AM, TerryE wrote: > On 03/08/11 16:15, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Terry Ellison >>  wrote: >>> >>> On 03/08/11 15:14, Rob Weir wrote: A specific question then that should not require diverting your current efforts.  Is there a

Re: status of OpenOffice logo?

2011-08-03 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: > There are some first steps proceding with moving portions of the existng > OpenOffice.org site to Apache. See, for example, > > http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/download/index.html > > This page lacks headers and footers, which brings m

Re: How to handle the downloads?

2011-08-03 Thread Ross Gardler
On 3 August 2011 16:16, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Am 08/03/2011 04:57 PM, schrieb Ross Gardler: ... >> If that's the case then ignore my mail. > > Hm, not really, as we could bring together both magics into one process. OH, that bit is "easy" the "choose mirror" part of your "JS Magic" would reques

Re: How to handle the downloads?

2011-08-03 Thread Andy Brown
Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 08/03/2011 04:54 PM, schrieb Andy Brown: Marcus (OOo) wrote: I've created a little diagram how I think the download has to work: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/docs/download_process.png As it seems we cannot go on like we did with OOo the JS magic has to chan

binfilter (was RE: OOO340 to svn)

2011-08-03 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I believe LibreOffice is already taking action on binfilter, and it would be useful to see if we can match their approach. Also, I think there was (again on LibreOffice) a technical discussion on simplifying the dependencies. This was initially by having redundancy, with the idea that a better

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread TerryE
On 03/08/11 16:15, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Terry Ellison wrote: On 03/08/11 15:14, Rob Weir wrote: A specific question then that should not require diverting your current efforts. Is there a announcement list or some other mechanism to send an email to every registere

status of OpenOffice logo?

2011-08-03 Thread Kay Schenk
There are some first steps proceding with moving portions of the existng OpenOffice.org site to Apache. See, for example, http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/download/index.html This page lacks headers and footers, which brings me to... I know there's been discussion about the current Op

Temporary issue tracking

2011-08-03 Thread Rob Weir
I have some random issues in the back of my head that I know we need to resolve at some point, but not now, but I don't want to forget them. I'm going to start listing them at the bottom of the Project Planning wiki page here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Project+Planning

Re: How to handle the downloads?

2011-08-03 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 08/03/2011 04:54 PM, schrieb Andy Brown: Marcus (OOo) wrote: I've created a little diagram how I think the download has to work: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/docs/download_process.png As it seems we cannot go on like we did with OOo the JS magic has to change a bit, how to reco

Re: How to handle the downloads?

2011-08-03 Thread Kay Schenk
On 08/02/2011 01:45 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: Kay, <-- lots snipped --> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/www/index.html ok, I jsut updated my svn trunk but before you added this I guess. I'll take a look. I'll start a new thread on something related -- a new logo. Will be ther

Re: How to handle the downloads?

2011-08-03 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 08/03/2011 04:57 PM, schrieb Ross Gardler: On 3 August 2011 15:53, Ross Gardler wrote: On 3 August 2011 15:47, Marcus (OOo) wrote: I've created a little diagram how I think the download has to work: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/docs/download_process.png As it seems we cannot

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Terry Ellison wrote: > On 03/08/11 15:14, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> A specific question then that should not require diverting your >> current efforts.  Is there a announcement list or some other mechanism >> to send an email to every registered wiki user? > > At a tec

Re: How to handle the downloads?

2011-08-03 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 08/03/2011 04:53 PM, schrieb Ross Gardler: On 3 August 2011 15:47, Marcus (OOo) wrote: I've created a little diagram how I think the download has to work: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/docs/download_process.png As it seems we cannot go on like we did with OOo the JS magic has t

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Terry Ellison
On 03/08/11 15:14, Rob Weir wrote: A specific question then that should not require diverting your current efforts. Is there a announcement list or some other mechanism to send an email to every registered wiki user? At a technical level, it's simple to run a query dumping all of the mail addre

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: > On 3 August 2011 15:10, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Andre Schnabel >> wrote: >> > Hi Rob, >> > >> >> Von: Rob Weir >> > >> >> > >> >> > I think there is a difference between informed hypothesis and >> >> speculation >>

Re: How to handle the downloads?

2011-08-03 Thread Ross Gardler
On 3 August 2011 15:53, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 3 August 2011 15:47, Marcus (OOo) wrote: >> I've created a little diagram how I think the download has to work: >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/docs/download_process.png >> >> As it seems we cannot go on like we did with OOo the JS

Re: How to handle the downloads?

2011-08-03 Thread Andy Brown
Marcus (OOo) wrote: I've created a little diagram how I think the download has to work: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/docs/download_process.png As it seems we cannot go on like we did with OOo the JS magic has to change a bit, how to recognize the language, OS and country to assembl

Re: How to handle the downloads?

2011-08-03 Thread Ross Gardler
On 3 August 2011 15:47, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > I've created a little diagram how I think the download has to work: > > http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/docs/download_process.png > > As it seems we cannot go on like we did with OOo the JS magic has to change > a bit, how to recognize the la

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Andre Schnabel wrote: > Hi, > >> Von: Rob Weir > >> > >> > There is no need to try to find something in my mails what I didn't >> actually write. >> > >> >> Andre,  perhaps you forgot, but you did speculate on this earlier in >> the thread, when you wrote: > > Oh,

Re: How to handle the downloads?

2011-08-03 Thread Marcus (OOo)
I've created a little diagram how I think the download has to work: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/docs/download_process.png As it seems we cannot go on like we did with OOo the JS magic has to change a bit, how to recognize the language, OS and country to assemble the nearest mirro

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Ian Lynch
On 3 August 2011 15:10, Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Andre Schnabel > wrote: > > Hi Rob, > > > >> Von: Rob Weir > > > >> > > >> > I think there is a difference between informed hypothesis and > >> speculation > >> > :-) > >> > >> And neither is the same as facts. I'm conce

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Terry Ellison wrote: > > Rob, a nice polemic but why is it relevant to a point about /usage patterns/ > on the wiki.  I am already working 12+ hours a day on migration this /pro > bono/, not salaried by some company to do my job.   If you want hard data to > info

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Andre Schnabel wrote: > Hi Rob, > >> Von: Rob Weir > >> > >> > I think there is a difference between informed hypothesis and >> speculation >> > :-) >> >> And neither is the same as facts.  I'm concerned when I hear >> paternalistic statements of "our contributors

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi, > Von: Rob Weir > > > > There is no need to try to find something in my mails what I didn't > actually write. > > > > Andre, perhaps you forgot, but you did speculate on this earlier in > the thread, when you wrote: Oh, sorry, but I did not see this as speculation ... > > On Tue, Aug 2,

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Ian Lynch
On 3 August 2011 14:45, Andre Schnabel wrote: > Hi Rob, > > > Von: Rob Weir > > > > > Sorry, replacing Andre's speculation with your speculation is not the > > same as introducing facts. > > I did not do any speculation in my mail, the only thing I did was > to quote (again) Manfred's questions

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Terry Ellison
On 03/08/11 14:38, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: On 3 August 2011 14:14, Rob Weir wrote: Ah. OK. He was asking for speculation on why the traffic is less now than a year ago. Impossible to say, since I can't find any data on what the traffic actually wa

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi Rob, > Von: Rob Weir > > > > I think there is a difference between informed hypothesis and > speculation > > :-) > > And neither is the same as facts. I'm concerned when I hear > paternalistic statements of "our contributors will never post patches" > or "They would never ever sign the iCLA

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Andre Schnabel wrote: > Hi Rob, > >> Von: Rob Weir > >> >> Sorry, replacing Andre's speculation with your speculation is not the >> same as introducing facts. > > I did not do any speculation in my mail, the only thing I did was > to quote (again) Manfred's questio

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi Rob, > Von: Rob Weir > > Sorry, replacing Andre's speculation with your speculation is not the > same as introducing facts. I did not do any speculation in my mail, the only thing I did was to quote (again) Manfred's questions (that you did not see before). A simple: - no I did not poke th

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: > On 3 August 2011 14:14, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:02 AM, TerryE wrote: >> > On 03/08/11 13:57, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Andre Schnabel >> >>  wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hi Rob, >> >>> >> >>> -

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Ian Lynch
On 3 August 2011 14:14, Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:02 AM, TerryE wrote: > > On 03/08/11 13:57, Rob Weir wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Andre Schnabel > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Rob, > >>> > >>> Original-Nachricht > > Von: Rob Weir >

Re: OOO340 to svn

2011-08-03 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Stephan, On Wednesday, 2011-08-03 10:22:08 +0200, Stephan Bergmann wrote: > On Aug 3, 2011, at 12:28 AM, Eike Rathke wrote: > > The problem with binfilter is that it depends on modules not in > > binfilter, changing them incompatibly may entail changes necessary to > > binfilter, those changes

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:02 AM, TerryE wrote: > On 03/08/11 13:57, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Andre Schnabel >>  wrote: >>> >>> Hi Rob, >>> >>> Original-Nachricht Von: Rob Weir On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 2:39 AM, Manfred A. Reiter wrote:

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread TerryE
On 03/08/11 13:57, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Andre Schnabel wrote: Hi Rob, Original-Nachricht Von: Rob Weir On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 2:39 AM, Manfred A. Reiter wrote: 2011/8/3 Rob Weir On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Manfred A. Reiter wrote: 2011/8/2

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Raphael Bircher
Am 03.08.11 13:58, schrieb Andre Schnabel: Hi Rob, Original-Nachricht Von: Rob Weir On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 2:39 AM, Manfred A. Reiter wrote: 2011/8/3 Rob Weir On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Manfred A. Reiter wrote: 2011/8/2 Rob Weir Curiously, it reports only 5 of

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Andre Schnabel wrote: > Hi Rob, > > Original-Nachricht >> Von: Rob Weir >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 2:39 AM, Manfred A. Reiter >> wrote: >> > 2011/8/3 Rob Weir >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Manfred A. Reiter >> wrote: >> >> > 2011/8

Question on Category-A licenses, specifically CC-A

2011-08-03 Thread Rob Weir
Category-A compatible licenses [1] as listed includes an entry labeled "Creative Commons Attribution (CC-A)". This links to a CC-BY 2.5 license page [2]. We have a potential contribution of user guides for the OpenOffice Podling that is dual licensed under GPL and CC-BY 3.0. How should we procee

Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)

2011-08-03 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi Rob, Original-Nachricht > Von: Rob Weir > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 2:39 AM, Manfred A. Reiter > wrote: > > 2011/8/3 Rob Weir > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Manfred A. Reiter > wrote: > >> > 2011/8/2 Rob Weir > >> >> > >> >> Curiously, it reports only 5 of th

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