On Apr 25, 2006, at 5:40 PM, Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:
> Will,
>
> You are right! The flawed process was an attempt to get the OSHCA
> formally retgisterd, start a web site and get going. Endless
> changes and debate are not going to do this.
>
> Therefore, with this somewhat awkward, ev
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> From: Molly Cheah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: April 24, 2006 9:00:17 PM PDT
> To: Will Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: Joseph Dal Molin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> openhealth@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [openhealth] Re: oshca inaugural meeting - constitut
I think it will take along time before the value of OSCHA approaches the
value of the openhealth list. As long as the lurkers are the right people,
they can be very valuable. OpenHealth has been key to the formation of
relationships that are actually producing code. My relationship with Will
Ros
Will Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Will,
You are right! The flawed process was an attempt to get the OSHCA formally retgisterd, start a web site and get going. Endless changes and debate are not going to do this.
Therefore, with this somewhat awkward, even ridiculous process, we bec
Will Ross wrote:
> nandalal,
>
> from the perspective of a simple discussion at a face to face
> meeting, this is what is happening:
>
> "we have a motion and a second to approve the 1.0 draft of the
> constitution. is there any further discussion?"
Although there was at least a two week o
On Tue, 2006-04-25 at 23:37 +0100, Thomas Beale wrote:
> Joseph Dal Molin wrote:
> > Will,
> >
> > > why not let the process proceed and see what the results of the votes
> > > are?
> >
> > Agreed. I have voiced similar concerns about the current process to the
> > protem and am comfortable goin
Joseph Dal Molin wrote:
> Will,
>
> > why not let the process proceed and see what the results of the votes
> > are?
>
> Agreed. I have voiced similar concerns about the current process to the
> protem and am comfortable going with the flow so OSHCA can incorporate
> and get to next phase.
from
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Assunto: Re: RES: [openhealth] Re: oshca inaugural meeting - constitution
john,
i'm concerned this message and the assumptions beneath it.
i am attempting to join a process that needs to be loosely coupled
enough to allow serial participation.
stop trying t
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> Enviada em: terça-feira, 25 de abril de 2006 13:30
> Para: openhealth@yahoogroups.com
> Assunto: Re: [openhealth] Re: oshca inaugural meeting - constitution
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>
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> Joseph Dal Molin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&g
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Assunto: Re: [openhealth] Re: oshca inaugural meeting - constitution
Joseph Dal Molin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Will,
Please forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing ;-)
They have not done this before!
Perfection is worth striving for, but it is almost never reachable,
T
nandalal,
from the perspective of a simple discussion at a face to face
meeting, this is what is happening:
"we have a motion and a second to approve the 1.0 draft of the
constitution. is there any further discussion?"
as a responsible member of the community i first evaluate whether or
I don't understand the complaint about Will's concerns. The voting
wasn't done when he indicated his comments.
So why do you say that "everything was done and over with"? What is the
voting about then? Perhaps
I'm missing something important? I thought voting was a "democratic"
process. :
Fred Trotter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Fred,
There was enough time given for dissent/discussion. Molly asked everyone repeatedly to comment on the issues. We can't wait for ever, therefore a time limit was set, and the FINAL draft was set down. Therfore there was really nothing to disag
fred, joseph, and all,
please do not "vote with your feet and leave" this process. this is
a good effort and deserves to get built without folks walking out or
staying on the sidelines.
we all win when we figure out how to move forward.
[wr]
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On Apr 25, 2006, at 10:41 A
Fred,
Nothing is being discardedI am taking minutes.
There is no disadvantage to waiting to register with OSHCA until after
this "clunky" process for bootstraping incorporation is complete. In
fact, given the clunky birthing process and concerns raised, it will be
extremely important fo
Will Ross wrote:
> dave,
>
> it's not necessarily flawed if the majority vote moves the process
> forward and all the resolutions pass. i think the organization has
> enough "yea" votes to pass all the resolutions, and i anticipate they
> will pass. i find it curious that the "yea" votes
OSCHA committee,
It is a little troublesome that Will's membership is being
discarded along with his comments. Essentially the arguments of the
committee is "lets get it working and then worry about getting it right".
This is fine but I, at least, will have to wait to see it working rig
Joseph Dal Molin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Will,
Please forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing ;-)
They have not done this before!
Perfection is worth striving for, but it is almost never reachable, Therefore it was agreed by most of us that it was OK to get it
dave,
it's not necessarily flawed if the majority vote moves the process
forward and all the resolutions pass. i think the organization has
enough "yea" votes to pass all the resolutions, and i anticipate they
will pass. i find it curious that the "yea" votes want to kick me
out for
If the process requires all of the items to be approved to move forward,
I submit it is fatally flawed. If all are required to be approved then
there should simply be one vote up or down. If not then the results of
the process should be able to go forward based on the various possible
outcomes
Will,
> why not let the process proceed and see what the results of the votes
> are?
Agreed. I have voiced similar concerns about the current process to the
protem and am comfortable going with the flow so OSHCA can incorporate
and get to next phase.
Joseph
Will Ross wrote:
> joseph,
>
joseph,
how can the process be democratic if a nay vote is disallowed?
i have no problem being outvoted. as an american, i am used to
voting for the candidate that does not win, but that doesn't (yet)
take away my right to vote . meanwhile, i have a problem with
being kicked out for
Will,
I agree that the process we are following is a clunky. My suggestion is
let's do what democratic countries do with imperfect constitutions and
amend it after we have bootstrapped OSHCA into existencethe US did
it so can OHSCA :-). Would you be comfortable boostrapping OSHCA for no
Will,
For some reason I didn't receive the email you sent below with the
attached formplease resend a copy to me for the record.
Joseph
Molly Cheah wrote:
> Hi Will,
> What you have done is incorrect. As you disagree with the constitution,
> we will not be able to include your name in th
molly,
with all due respect, what is the point of offering opportunities to
vote for or against a position if a nay vote is disallowed or
prevents the possibility of membership? please explain to me how
the loyal opposition can voice their opinion without harassment,
retribution, excl
Hi Will,
What you have done is incorrect. As you disagree with the constitution,
we will not be able to include your name in the list of founding members
to the ROS simply because the ROS will not register OSHCA. Therefore
there will be no OSHCA for you to be a member of.
I am posting this t
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