On 5/29/06, Paul Jakma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2006, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Then the alternative is for SUN to get 10 engineers, and get them to work on an existing opensource project to bring it up to standard or create an in house version based off licencing
specifications.#
On 5/29/06, John Levon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 08:34:33PM +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: When I tried to compile I specified using the GNU ld and as - would that have made a difference? but it still doesn't explain why qt
Specified how? --with-gnu-as doesn't do what you
On 5/29/06, Tatjana S Heuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Then the alternative is for SUN to get 10 engineers, and get them to work on an existing opensource project to bring it up to standard or create an in house version based off licencing specifications.
I'm very much in
If you want to see software for Solaris x86/x64 you
should consider
having a look to NexentaOS http://www.gnusolaris.org
Erast and Alex are
working really hard to build all software using GCC.
9000+ packages
now...
And while Nexenta is a nice publicity stunt for OpenSolaris, if I wanted to
From this
stand point, GCC-like and GNU-like environments are
must to have and we
are moving this road... aka NexentaOS
GNU/OpenSolaris.
I just happen to be working on porting a GCC written application to Sun Studio
11. And all I can say is, GCC is one of the worst, brain dead compilers in
I think you've missed that exactly this has already
been done, with
no success.
What exactly did Adobe say, and what was their reasoning?
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We have gpdf, but I don't know how good it is, and
ISTR something called evince
(sp?) is the way forward in that arena...
Not very good. xpdf renders much better, but seems to have major performance
problems on Solaris.
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On 5/29/06, UNIX admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From this stand point, GCC-like and GNU-like environments are must to have and we are moving this road... aka NexentaOS GNU/OpenSolaris.I
just happen to be working on porting a GCC written application to Sun
Studio 11.And all I can say is, GCC is
On 5/28/06, Ian Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: So unfortunately I've migrated back to FreeBSD (again) - I would really love to run Solaris x86, but when everything I try to compile turns to shyte, one really has to ask whether the maintainers of the
source are
A proprietary application that needs to run cross platform is useless. In my
humble opinion it HAS to be open source - which applies to Acrobat, but also
to Java etc. Only open sourcing Acrobat makes sure that all interested parties
in the game can have their share. And it guaranties true
Propose the OPDF, or Open Portable Document Format
and try to get the
industry to move away from the proprietary and not
at all portable
document format.
What about using linux emul (whatever else it's being
called these days)
for running the Acrobat binary unmodified?
I know the
On 26 May 2006, at 23:33, David J. Orman wrote:
Just like it doesn't make a whole lot of sense that Adobe hasn't
released an Intel Mac version of CS2. No sense whatsoever.
(OT: That's mainly because Adobe were using CodeWarrior for
everything, and Universal binaries can only be compiled
Well, being that Solaris 11/10.1 or what have you is
a matter of a
year or so away - its not going to be good when the
same problems are
plaguing Solaris whilst the closest competitor -
Linux, has already
addressed the issue (ALSA) and other issues as well
(DRI/DRM).
Apparently you've
My configure: ./configure --prefix=/opt/kiwi --exec-prefix=/opt/kiwi
--with-gnu-as --with-as=/opt/kiwi/bin/as --with-gnu-ld
--with-ld=/opt/kiwi/bin/ld --enable-languages=c,c++
Anyone able to help with with that wee problem?
Change this :
--with-gnu-as
--with-as=/opt/kiwi/bin/as
On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 00:28 -0700, UNIX admin wrote:
If you want to see software for Solaris x86/x64 you
should consider
having a look to NexentaOS http://www.gnusolaris.org
Erast and Alex are
working really hard to build all software using GCC.
9000+ packages
now...
And while
On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 00:40 -0700, UNIX admin wrote:
From this
stand point, GCC-like and GNU-like environments are
must to have and we
are moving this road... aka NexentaOS
GNU/OpenSolaris.
I just happen to be working on porting a GCC written application to Sun
Studio 11. And all I
Kaiwai Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, I think the thing worse than that, are those who develop applications as
if the whole world revolved around Linux - take the gnome-cd application,
its link to a linux cdrom.h header - now wouldn't it be smarter to create an
abstraction layer
Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
btw, do you know by any chance how to say Sun C compiler to always
respect inlines statements? I tried different switches, never worked for
me...
You are trying to get non-POSIX behavior.
POSIX allows to always iognore the inline keyword.
Jörg
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On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 17:55 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
btw, do you know by any chance how to say Sun C compiler to always
respect inlines statements? I tried different switches, never worked for
me...
You are trying to get non-POSIX behavior.
On Mon, 29 May 2006, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
Can you point me to the translation project as to get the en_NZ translation
up to scratch.
Not off the top of my head (is there even a Kiwi transaltion project at
the moment?), but a look arounf www.opensolaris.org should help you. And
if there
On Sun, 28 May 2006, Alan Coopersmith wrote:
Rich Teer wrote:
We have gpdf, but I don't know how good it is, and ISTR something called
evince
(sp?) is the way forward in that arena...
evince should be replacing gpdf in Nevada Build 41 with the GNOME 2.14
integration.
Excellent. I'm
On Mon, 29 May 2006, UNIX admin wrote:
The point should be not to keep PORTING Linux software to Solaris,
but to start using Solaris as THE main development platform for open
source software (and freeware).
I agree that the latter is the ultimate goal, but the former would be a
good starting
On Mon, 29 May 2006, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
No, I think the thing worse than that, are those who develop applications as
if the whole world revolved around Linux - take the gnome-cd application,
Agreed!
--
Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member
President,
Rite Online Inc.
Voice: +1
On Mon, 29 May 2006, Nicolas Linkert wrote:
A proprietary application that needs to run cross platform is
useless. In my humble opinion it HAS to be open source - which applies
to Acrobat, but also to Java etc. Only open sourcing Acrobat makes sure
that all interested parties in the game can
On Mon, 29 May 2006, Laszlo (Laca) Peter wrote:
It's called HAL (hardware abstraction layer) and it will land in
nevada shortly.
All goodness, provided HAL doesn't go nuts and starts killing its
users. If my computer starts singing Daisy, Daisy when it boots,
I'm yanking the power cord! :-)
On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 12:34 -0400, Laszlo (Laca) Peter wrote:
On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 20:50 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
No, I think the thing worse than that, are those who develop
applications as if the whole world revolved around Linux - take the
gnome-cd application, its link to a linux
On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 09:36 -0700, Rich Teer wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2006, UNIX admin wrote:
The point should be not to keep PORTING Linux software to Solaris,
but to start using Solaris as THE main development platform for open
source software (and freeware).
I agree that the latter is
On 5/29/06, Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But I'm asking how to make Sun C compiler do what I want?
The compiler is doing what you want, within the limits of it being
explicitly allowed to ignore what you want. :-)
--Stefan
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Stefan Teleman
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On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 12:51 -0400, Stefan Teleman wrote:
On 5/29/06, Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But I'm asking how to make Sun C compiler do what I want?
The compiler is doing what you want, within the limits of it being
explicitly allowed to ignore what you want. :-)
OK. Than
Laszlo (Laca) Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 20:50 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
No, I think the thing worse than that, are those who develop
applications as if the whole world revolved around Linux - take the
gnome-cd application, its link to a linux cdrom.h header -
Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's called HAL (hardware abstraction layer) and it will land in
nevada shortly.
..and committed to upstream CVS. this would be cool. Here is the
original proposal:
http://opensolaris.org/os/project/tamarack/proposal.txt which developers
seems to be
On 5/29/06, Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 12:51 -0400, Stefan Teleman wrote:
On 5/29/06, Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But I'm asking how to make Sun C compiler do what I want?
The compiler is doing what you want, within the limits of it being
Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 12:51 -0400, Stefan Teleman wrote:
On 5/29/06, Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But I'm asking how to make Sun C compiler do what I want?
The compiler is doing what you want, within the limits of it being
explicitly
On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 19:15 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's called HAL (hardware abstraction layer) and it will land in
nevada shortly.
..and committed to upstream CVS. this would be cool. Here is the
original proposal:
Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If it breaks CD/DVD writing (as it does on Linux) I would not call it cool.
Not sure what you are talking about. HAL is an abstraction layer. It
doesn't re-implements anything.
On Linux there is a program called hald, this program frequently sends
On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 13:19 -0400, Stefan Teleman wrote:
On 5/29/06, Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 12:51 -0400, Stefan Teleman wrote:
On 5/29/06, Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But I'm asking how to make Sun C compiler do what I want?
The
On 5/30/06, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kaiwai Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I think the thing worse than that, are those who develop applications as if the whole world revolved around Linux - take the gnome-cd application,
its link to a linux cdrom.h header - now wouldn't it
You can try:
- set the optimization level to -xO4 or higher
- pass -xinline=%auto
To this I'd also add, don't use __inline (which GCC won't bark on), but
inline instead.
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You sure do not like GCC... :-) Well, I like it, even
I know it is buggy
sometimes..
No I don't, can you tell? (:-)
Especially after suffering at its braindead mercy, I'd like to not have to ever
have to deal with GCC again. Ever.
btw, do you know by any chance how to say Sun C
compiler to
There is a lot more Linux specific on GNOME.
THe most important task we have with OpenSolaris is
to convince people that
trying to compile on Solaris is a must for every
OpenSource project.
Actually, we should be teaching people to switch to Solaris as the main
development platform to
Few comments:
a) too late for wishes like that;
There is always hope; remember that.
b) majority of developers using GNU userland all
over, even on Windows
they prefer Cygwin over anything else;
That's because they don't know any better. Our job should be to teach them to
know better
Right. In addition I'd like to add that porting (C,
C++ code) to Nexenta
== porting to Solaris. Zero differences for both
drivers and apps. So,
it doesn't really matter where developers will settle
at Nexenta or at
Solaris. Besides, all SUN userland is provided at
/usr/sun/bin, so SUN
Kaiwai others,
I'll state that porting/migrating Microsoft-related
software to Solaris is pre-Y2000 idealogy. A statement
I made earlier mentions 'software maintenance' which
is the inherit flaw in this venture.
Can you imagine maintaining all of that software
you've just ported/migrated??
Ron Halstead wrote:
In nv39 and nv40, the resolver is taking a long time to resolve the
address of a host via DNS and /etc/hosts. Truss ping sol10
(in /etc/hosts) shows the process sleeping. The truss output is
149 lines. I can include all of it. I've snipped around the
sleepy part. Any
Rod Evans wrote:
[snip]
Plus, if you're not finding the correct values file, I'd expect every
library built in your workspace to fail with the same error.
Not all fail, but many do. Which quickly turns the next complaint that
the current Solaris build configuration can only be described as
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 23 May 2006, Artem Kachitchkine wrote:
What ethernet device is being used? I've had similar symptoms until I
changed from pcn to e1000g
(ethernet0.virtualDev = e1000 in .vmx file, AFAIR)
Did you install the vmware utilities? I was informed me a few
UNIX admin wrote:
There's still an opening in the shared filesystem
space (multi-reader
and multi-writer). Fix QFS, or extend ZFS?
That one's a no-brainer, innit? Extend ZFS and plough on.
Uhm... I think this is not that easy. Based on IRC feedback I think it
may be difficult to
Alan Coopersmith wrote:
Joerg Schilling wrote:
Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Xorg is faster, has support for many new extensions/features not
present in Xsun (Xrandr - dynamic screen resize, Xv - video playback
acceleration, Composite, etc.) Xorg is required to use the
Derek Cicero wrote:
We need to do little housecleaning on the download server, so going
forward our plan is to provide the following archival downloads:
+ For numbered builds we will keep the last 6 months.
Is it possible to extend that to 12 months, please ?
Some of the larger projects may
On 5/30/06, Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My configure: ./configure --prefix=/opt/kiwi --exec-prefix=/opt/kiwi--with-gnu-as --with-as=/opt/kiwi/bin/as --with-gnu-ld --with-ld=/opt/kiwi/bin/ld --enable-languages=c,c++ Anyone able to help with with that wee problem?
Change this
On 5/30/06, Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My configure: ./configure --prefix=/opt/kiwi --exec-prefix=/opt/kiwi
--with-gnu-as --with-as=/opt/kiwi/bin/as --with-gnu-ld
--with-ld=/opt/kiwi/bin/ld --enable-languages=c,c++
Anyone able to help with with that wee problem?
Change
Actually Linux and many other unices both free and commercial have ACLs too
that in theory need to be supported so I don't see why it should be our job
here to implement a Gnome GUI for ACLs here. I guess the best people to talk to
about this would be the Gnome people.
I'll be frank to you
On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 13:22 -0700, UNIX admin wrote:
Right. In addition I'd like to add that porting (C,
C++ code) to Nexenta
== porting to Solaris. Zero differences for both
drivers and apps. So,
it doesn't really matter where developers will settle
at Nexenta or at
Solaris.
Is it possible to extend that to 12 months, please ?
Some of the larger projects may have to wait longer for their inclusion
into OS/Net and IMO it may be bad if the original B[1-9][1-9] build
tools, sources etc. go away shortly before the putback just because
they're slightly over the six-month
UNIX admin wrote:
There's still an opening in the shared filesystem
space (multi-reader
and multi-writer). Fix QFS, or extend ZFS?
That one's a no-brainer, innit? Extend ZFS and plough on.
Uhm... I think this is not that easy. Based on IRC feedback I think it
may be difficult to
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
1. Adobe Acrobat
2. Lotus Domino
3. Adobe Photoshop
4. Lotus 1-2-3
5. MSIE ( yes seriously, I had this on Solaris once MSIE 5.0 I think )
MSIE isn't really alive even on MacOS nowadays, last time I checked.
And the chances of getting Photoshop are
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
And with ODF and XPS (from Microsoft), is PDF relevant any longer?
You (and others suggesting this) are kidding, right?
Even *if* XPS turns out to be much more feature-compelling then PDF,
there are several too-large obstacles:
1) Even if new documents start to be
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