Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Community participation

2007-02-01 Thread Christopher Mahan
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I mean was --Works in x86 32bit but not in 64bit, and not in Sparc --Works with Bash but not ksh --Works with single core but not dual or even 8 cores --Works with cli but crashes X Window etc. None of these are considered acceptable at Sun.

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Christopher Mahan
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But isn't (a) cdrecord GPL fork, (b) Debian nonacceptance of CDDL projects and (c) FSF/GNU anti-CDDL statements not considered as a CDDL failure proofs? No; it only proves that if we dual license that Debian (you?) will fork a GNU only version. The anti

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Casper . Dik
From where I see it, the participation issue is due to a process that comes pretty close to making someone a unpaid Sun employee - of sorts. To even have a contribution considered, I have to sign the Contributor Agreement. That agreement is with Sun Microsystems Inc, not OpenSolairs.ORG.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Casper . Dik
It is? When I see changes from Apple that get put back into the source base, I'll believe it. As it is, Apple is good about sucking the living daylights out of the open source community and putting nothing back, it's mostly a one-way street. I'm not saying their way is bad, it's just not open

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Casper . Dik
I will have to agree with you and stay corrected here. Indeed it is hard to measure growing speed. We are growing, but I *think* we could achieve better speed if a) we change license, b) we will simplify contribution and c) we will fix closed bins issue. Oh, I think we can grow faster, too.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: SXCR Build 56 available

2007-02-01 Thread Casper . Dik
Since your commenting on good things in B56 I'll add the following server observations (on X4100): - Boot seems faster - There isn't any more first boot lag... Solaris has always dog'ed when dealing with devices aft er an install finishes. This is often seen when you have installed a system

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Casper . Dik
On 31-Jan-07, at 11:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The anti CDDL statements are statements of bigots and as such not interesting. Good thing that people who disagree with you are insulted, otherwise we might get the impression that OpenSolaris is a welcoming community... glad we got

[osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal -- Honeycomb Information and dev

2007-02-01 Thread Lynn Rohrer
Folks, I've been following this thread and I think we're missing an important part of the Honeycomb project proposal... the desire to create a fixed content storage capability for the OpenSolaris environment. Note: It's cool that these folks initially delivered the functionality in an

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Casper . Dik
from http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/, about CDDL: This is a free software license which is not a strong copyleft; it has some complex restrictions that make it incompatible with the GNU GPL. It requires that all attribution notices be maintained, while the GPL only requires certain

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Alan Burlison
Erast Benson wrote: I didn't say we are dead community. :-) And I said almost zero participation from outside of Sun which is what currently our relative numbers are by looking at ON consolidation. And yes, we are growing, but not fast enough to me... Sun's had a 20+ year head start in terms

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Alan Burlison
Shawn Walker wrote: Exactly. I don't see hordes of people flocking to develop for GNU Hurd despite it's GPL license. I also don't see tons of Linux drivers available for it either despite compatibility of the licenses. The GNU Hurd project is proof enough that a license alone doesn't mean

[osol-discuss] Re: Website maintenance [was GPLv3]

2007-02-01 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Alan Burlison wrote On 02/01/07 17:46,: Dale Ghent wrote: So tell me, where do I sign up to be considered for a job such as opensolaris.org site maintenance? I'm a OpenSolaris community (not SUNW) member and I want to be involved. Which bits of the site are you interested in helping

Re: [osol-discuss] Website maintenance [was GPLv3]

2007-02-01 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey, Alan Burlison wrote: Dale Ghent wrote: So tell me, where do I sign up to be considered for a job such as opensolaris.org site maintenance? I'm a OpenSolaris community (not SUNW) member and I want to be involved. Which bits of the site are you interested in helping with? As I said

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: SXCR Build 56 available

2007-02-01 Thread Ben Rockwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since your commenting on good things in B56 I'll add the following server observations (on X4100): - Boot seems faster - There isn't any more first boot lag... Solaris has always dog'ed when dealing with devices aft er an install finishes. This is often seen

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Darren J Moffat
John Sonnenschein wrote: On 31-Jan-07, at 11:42 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is super easy (IMO) for people to get Solaris, and the OpenSolaris code. The hack on it and c ontribute part is hard because of closed_bins and the integration process respectively. What's difficult about the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Community participation

2007-02-01 Thread Darren J Moffat
Christopher Mahan wrote: What I mean was --Works in x86 32bit but not in 64bit, and not in Sparc You broke my laptop it runs 64 bit and you broke my NFS server it is SPARC. In specific cases this one might actually be okay if it is functionality that only applies to x86 in 32bit and there

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Darren J Moffat
Stephen Harpster wrote: Legal says yes, it's possible for someone to create an OpenSolaris fork based solely on GPLv3, then make GPLv3-only changes to it which we wouldn't be able to take back. so do we need to continue this discussion then, that doesn't sounds like a fair outcome ? --

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: SXCR Build 56 available

2007-02-01 Thread Casper . Dik
Nope, stock firmware. It might be a good thing to upgrade it. Was this the 4-8 minute hang on boot trying to access the fake USB floppy/CD? 4-8 minute? Nope, never seen that one, thankfully. On B43 a system can panic and be back online in 8 minutes, which is the time for the dump,

[osol-discuss] Redistributing SXCR

2007-02-01 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello opensolaris-discuss, Sun is able to give ok to other companies to redistribute Solaris (see http://solaris.task.gda.pl/). So why not SXCR? I can help with http://sxcr.task.gda.pl or http://solaris.task.gda.pl/sxcr to make it happen, probably others can help too in their locations.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Community participation

2007-02-01 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 09:09:20PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, and when did kprobes and ReiserFS integrate? In Opensolaris? Not at all. In Linux which is probably offtopic here it's 2004 (kprobes) and 2001 (reiserfs). ___

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Community participation

2007-02-01 Thread Frank Hofmann
On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 09:09:20PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, and when did kprobes and ReiserFS integrate? In Opensolaris? Not at all. In Linux which is probably offtopic here it's 2004 (kprobes) and 2001 (reiserfs). How about lkcd

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Community participation

2007-02-01 Thread James Carlson
Christopher Mahan writes: Could performance regression be acceptable if there is, let's say, tangible development potential? For example: a tool is reimplemented in Python to allow very competent python devs to take it to the next level? Sure. You just need to be explicit about what you're

Re: [osol-discuss] Redistributing SXCR

2007-02-01 Thread Ignacio Marambio Catán
On 2/1/07, Robert Milkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello opensolaris-discuss, Sun is able to give ok to other companies to redistribute Solaris (see http://solaris.task.gda.pl/). So why not SXCR? I can help with http://sxcr.task.gda.pl or http://solaris.task.gda.pl/sxcr to make it

[osol-discuss] Make error in ssh

2007-02-01 Thread mewalal yadav
while running make for ssh . i am getting the following error sshconnect1.c: In function `respond_to_rsa_challenge': sshconnect1.c:162: `MD5_CTX' undeclared (first use in this function) sshconnect1.c:162: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once sshconnect1.c:162: for each function it

[osol-discuss] Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Shawn Walker
On Jan 31, 2007, at 20:52, Alan DuBoff wrote: On Wednesday 31 January 2007 09:21 am, John Sonnenschein wrote: If Stallman and the rest of the FSF start promoting Solaris instead of that other kernel, and they would if we went gpl3, that would be more helpful to the project than any

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Shawn Walker
It is super easy (IMO) for people to get Solaris, and the OpenSolaris code. The hack on it and c ontribute part is hard because of closed_bins and the integration process respectively. What's difficult about the closed bins apart from not being able to port to a different architecture

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2007-02-01 at 07:36 -0800, Shawn Walker wrote: On Jan 31, 2007, at 20:52, Alan DuBoff wrote: On Wednesday 31 January 2007 09:21 am, John Sonnenschein wrote: If Stallman and the rest of the FSF start promoting Solaris instead of that other kernel, and they would if we went

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Shawn Walker
Nobody likes the closed_bins; but it's not under our control Casper I think what's most frustrating about the closed_bins is that we don't know *why* in some cases. It would be helpful if there were a status list for the closed_bins that indicated what items would never be available

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Shawn Walker
On Thu, 2007-02-01 at 07:36 -0800, Shawn Walker wrote: On Jan 31, 2007, at 20:52, Alan DuBoff wrote: On Wednesday 31 January 2007 09:21 am, John Sonnenschein wrote: If Stallman and the rest of the FSF start promoting Solaris instead of that other kernel, and they would

[osol-discuss] Re: Redistributing SXCR

2007-02-01 Thread Shawn Walker
I don't see where they're distributing it themselves (other than possibly on DVD). It looks like all their download links just point back at the main SUN site. -Shawn This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Casper . Dik
I think what's most frustrating about the closed_bins is that we don't know *why* in some cases. I t would be helpful if there were a status list for the closed_bins that indicated what items would never be available (due to 3rd party or something generic like that as reason), which have a chance

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Shawn Walker
I think what's most frustrating about the closed_bins is that we don't know *why* in some cases. I t would be helpful if there were a status list for the closed_bins that indicated what items would never be available (due to 3rd party or something generic like that as reason), which

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2007-02-01 at 16:53 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think what's most frustrating about the closed_bins is that we don't know *why* in some cases. I t would be helpful if there were a status list for the closed_bins that indicated what items would never be available (due to 3rd party

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Stephen Harpster
Yes, they can, but if that happened today, it wouldn't be a problem since CDDL mixes with CDDL. If OpenSolaris were dual-licensed, it still wouldn't be a problem because incoming CDDL only files will mix ok with OpenSolaris. The problem is pulling in GPLv3-only files --- those won't mix with

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Casper . Dik
Yes, they can, but if that happened today, it wouldn't be a problem since CDDL mixes with CDDL. If OpenSolaris were dual-licensed, it still wouldn't be a problem because incoming CDDL only files will mix ok with OpenSolaris. The problem is pulling in GPLv3-only files --- those won't mix

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Redistributing SXCR

2007-02-01 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Shawn, Thursday, February 1, 2007, 4:52:29 PM, you wrote: SW I don't see where they're distributing it themselves (other than SW possibly on DVD). It looks like all their download links just point back at the main SUN site. No. Actually I tried it to be sure and quickly received an

[osol-discuss] Re: disposition of closed_bins

2007-02-01 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Thu, 2007-02-01 at 07:49 -0800, Shawn Walker wrote: I think what's most frustrating about the closed_bins is that we don't know *why* in some cases. It would be helpful if there were a status list for the closed_bins that indicated what items would never be available (due to 3rd party or

Re: [osol-discuss] Make error in ssh

2007-02-01 Thread Darren J Moffat
mewalal yadav wrote: while running make for ssh . i am getting the following error sshconnect1.c: In function `respond_to_rsa_challenge': sshconnect1.c:162: `MD5_CTX' undeclared (first use in this function) sshconnect1.c:162: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once sshconnect1.c:162:

[osol-discuss] Re: SXCR Build 56 available

2007-02-01 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Great work everyone! benr. Ditto (wholeheartedly)! I have changed my default boot option from SuSE 10.2 to SXCR 56. I also strongly recommend the Asus M2N motherboard for anyone interested in getting on the Solaris Express train. With Build 56, now everything (both NIC ports, sound,

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Community participation

2007-02-01 Thread Christopher Mahan
--- Darren J Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher Mahan wrote: What I mean was --Works in x86 32bit but not in 64bit, and not in Sparc You broke my laptop it runs 64 bit and you broke my NFS server it is SPARC. In specific cases this one might actually be okay if it is

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan Burlison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't someone just as easily fork under the CDDL? I think it's the Can't take back changes bit that is problematic, not the Fork bit. If I'm understanding correctly, if a bug was fixed in a GPLv3-only fork it would appear that fix could *not* be

[osol-discuss] usb keyboard offlining

2007-02-01 Thread Gary
Hello, I'm running Sol 10 x86. I keep it up to date. I'm having a problem with the usb keyboard going offline. Is anyone familiar with this? To get it back online, I have to unplug it and plug it back in. This is from the messages log. Feb 1 10:58:32 ws1209 genunix: [ID 408114 kern.info]

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Joerg Schilling
Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you mis-read my message or i didn't explain it fully. I do appreciate CDDL benefits, I just trying to say there is a theory :-) that GPLv3/CDDL dual-license will benefit us even more. Again, dual-licensing alone is not enough, but still will be helpful

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Rich Teer
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Erast Benson wrote: numbers are by looking at ON consolidation. And yes, we are growing, but not fast enough to me... I'd like us to grow faster too, but at the end of the day, these things happen at their own pace. If we adopt GPLv3, has the Open Solaris community

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Bonnie Corwin
Look at: http://opensolaris.org/os/about/no_source This page has been available since shortly after the launch in June 2005. Some drivers were held back originally at launch simply because I ran out of time. Some have been moved to usr/src; others are waiting for resources. We have

[osol-discuss] Community participation (was GPLv3 ravings)

2007-02-01 Thread John Plocher
Erast Benson wrote: I didn't say we are dead community. :-) And I said almost zero participation from outside of Sun What are your expectations here? That at some point in the future, more than 25% of the contributions will come from outside of Sun? 50%? 75%? 100%? This community is

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan DuBoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 31 January 2007 03:53 pm, Joerg Schilling wrote: Some people started a personal attack against me. These people just dislike cooperation and did combinetheir personal attacks with anti CDDL FUD. Meanwhile there is an official statement from

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Stephen Harpster
Not true. All contributions require you to sign a CA. We need to be sure that you either wrote the code or have the right to it. We don't want to run afoul of hidden patents, copyrights, trademarks, etc. Alan DuBoff wrote: On Wednesday 31 January 2007 05:53 pm, Alan Coopersmith wrote:

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Stephen Harpster
Correct. If the code is a pull, i.e., a Sun employee is pulling outside code into OpenSolaris, then a CA isn't required because a) all Sun employees sign a similar agreement when they join; and b) all code that comes in via this route undergoes a more extensive legal review. (We have an

[osol-discuss] Re: Sound with emu10k1

2007-02-01 Thread Dev Mazumdar
With the current OSS driver, there's a bug in the full duplex operation. You need to get the older rc2-179 version from http://www.opensound.com/test/rc2-179/ directory. ALternatively you can edit /platform/i86pc/kernel/drv/ossaudios.conf and set ossaudios_openmode=0 and reboot and now your

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Erast Benson
Thanks Bonnie! It would be nice to keep this page up-to-date. Another concern which might need your attention is that some important links on www.opensolaris.org could not be resolved. I'm talking about PSARC descriptions like this: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2006/704/

Re: [osol-discuss] Community participation (was GPLv3 ravings)

2007-02-01 Thread Mark A. Carlson
Well said John. This is my expectation as well. -- mark John Plocher wrote: Erast Benson wrote: I didn't say we are dead community. :-) And I said almost zero participation from outside of Sun What are your expectations here? That at some point in the future, more than 25% of the

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Joerg Schilling
Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-02-01 at 08:34 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But isn't (a) cdrecord GPL fork, (b) Debian nonacceptance of CDDL projects and (c) FSF/GNU anti-CDDL statements not considered as a CDDL failure proofs? No; it only proves that if we dual

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Joerg Schilling
John Sonnenschein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31-Jan-07, at 11:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The anti CDDL statements are statements of bigots and as such not interesting. Good thing that people who disagree with you are insulted, otherwise we might get the impression that

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Stephen Hahn
* Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-02-01 07:52]: Nobody likes the closed_bins; but it's not under our control I think what's most frustrating about the closed_bins is that we don't know *why* in some cases. It would be helpful if there were a status list for the closed_bins that

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 06:59 pm, Alan Coopersmith wrote: I don't expect us to ask Joerg for a contributor agreement to include the CDDL licensed cdrecord, because it's an external project. I would actually, and don't think legal will let something like that in, knowingly, without a

Re: [osol-discuss] Community participation (was GPLv3 ravings)

2007-02-01 Thread Erast Benson
OK. I'll buy it. Than based on what we can claim that our community is indeed fast-growing, what numbers we should use? If we have such numbers, could somebody provide a comparative statistics during past 6 months? Could it be over-all number of users on mailing lists? How many

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Alan DuBoff wrote: On Wednesday 31 January 2007 06:59 pm, Alan Coopersmith wrote: I don't expect us to ask Joerg for a contributor agreement to include the CDDL licensed cdrecord, because it's an external project. I would actually, and don't think legal will let something like that in,

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Mike Kupfer
Shawn == Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Shawn It would be helpful if there were a status list for the Shawn closed_bins that indicated what items would never be available Shawn (due to 3rd party or something generic like that as reason), Shawn which have a chance of being available at

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread John Sonnenschein
On 1-Feb-07, at 10:51 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: John Sonnenschein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31-Jan-07, at 11:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The anti CDDL statements are statements of bigots and as such not interesting. Good thing that people who disagree with you are insulted,

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Stephen Hahn
* Mike Kupfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-02-01 11:05]: Shawn == Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Shawn It would be helpful if there were a status list for the Shawn closed_bins that indicated what items would never be available Shawn (due to 3rd party or something generic like that as

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 11:58 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, because their primary beef is Linux versus Solaris, *not* GPL versus CDDL. If they weren't beating us with the license stick, they be using something else instead. Trying to satisfy the Linux community is wrong-headed, the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Casper . Dik
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 06:59 pm, Alan Coopersmith wrote: I don't expect us to ask Joerg for a contributor agreement to include the CDDL licensed cdrecord, because it's an external project. I would actually, and don't think legal will let something like that in, knowingly, without a

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Thursday 01 February 2007 12:12 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is? When I see changes from Apple that get put back into the source base, I'll believe it. As it is, Apple is good about sucking the living daylights out of the open source community and putting nothing back, it's mostly a

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Mike Kupfer
sch == Stephen Hahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/about/no_source/ Probably ought to be linked to from the General FAQ (http://www.opensolaris.org/os/about/faq/)...? sch It already is, under the question What source code does the sch OpenSolaris project

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Casper . Dik
And now I'm told by Casper, someone who's supposed to represent the community (hint: I'm part of the community) that I'm a bigot for it?! That's just insane. You can disagree with me, you can say my ideas are worthless, but insulting me as a person is unacceptable. You're guilty of it,

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Stephen Harpster
My apologies. I meant no offense. Christopher Mahan wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But isn't (a) cdrecord GPL fork, (b) Debian nonacceptance of CDDL projects and (c) FSF/GNU anti-CDDL statements not considered as a CDDL failure proofs? No; it only proves that

Re: [osol-discuss] Community participation (was GPLv3 ravings)

2007-02-01 Thread Peter Tribble
On 2/1/07, Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK. I'll buy it. Than based on what we can claim that our community is indeed fast-growing, what numbers we should use? If we have such numbers, could somebody provide a comparative statistics during past 6 months? Could it be over-all number

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Casper . Dik
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 08:49 pm, Simon Phipps wrote: On Jan 31, 2007, at 20:52, Alan DuBoff wrote: On Wednesday 31 January 2007 09:21 am, John Sonnenschein wrote: If Stallman and the rest of the FSF start promoting Solaris instead of that other kernel, and they would if we went gpl3,

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread James Carlson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And now I'm told by Casper, someone who's supposed to represent the community (hint: I'm part of the community) that I'm a bigot for it?! That's just insane. You can disagree with me, you can say my ideas are worthless, but insulting me as a person is

[osol-discuss] Re: Community participation

2007-02-01 Thread Ben Rockwood
While that would be handy, we already have a good program in place, its just buried. I refer to Bite Sized Bugs. I've pointed to this problem before: how do you find them? Bugs are (were) flagged in the database but finding a list of these is difficult or impossible. I've suggested in the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Community participation

2007-02-01 Thread Ian Collins
Ben Rockwood wrote: While that would be handy, we already have a good program in place, its just buried. I refer to Bite Sized Bugs. I've pointed to this problem before: how do you find them? Bugs are (were) flagged in the database but finding a list of these is difficult or impossible.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal -- Honeycomb Information and dev

2007-02-01 Thread Stephen Lau
Lynn, all good points - but you're missing the point that Rich, Alan, Darren, and I have raised: Honeycomb is not yet ready to have source be published, or do open development. Given that, I will reiterate for the 3rd time: I think it's perfectly reasonable to discuss, and develop the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Community participation

2007-02-01 Thread Rich Teer
On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Ben Rockwood wrote: The idea here is that if someone sits down on a Saturday afternoon and wants a challenge they pull up the list, pull one that looks tasty and start working on a solution. Its got to be super easy for people to get started this way. FWIW, I think

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Stephen Harpster
We don't. I was being hypothetical. Shawn Walker wrote: OpenSolaris. The problem is pulling in GPLv3-only files --- those won't mix with CDDL. (The GPLv3 files already in OpenSolaris have the assembly exception which allows them to mix with incoming CDDL files. But if incoming GPLv3

[osol-discuss] Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread De Togni Giacomo
Isn't the fact that after almost 2 years of existence we still considered a minority community with almost zero participation from the outside not a proof that something wrong and needs to be fixed? In my opinion,yes And if we go to dual-license with GPLv3, isn't we all know that at least we

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Community participation

2007-02-01 Thread Peter Tribble
On 2/1/07, Ben Rockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While that would be handy, we already have a good program in place, its just buried. I refer to Bite Sized Bugs. ... The idea here is that if someone sits down on a Saturday afternoon and wants a challenge they pull up the list, pull one

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Community participation

2007-02-01 Thread James Carlson
Peter Tribble writes: I think we need to advertise what projects or communities need help at any point in time, and for each community or project to identify key issues where extra hands would make a difference. At the moment it's very difficult even for those of us who've been involved with

[osol-discuss] install opensolaris regist.

2007-02-01 Thread peter toth
My install went fine have audio drivers now as well but I'm having difficulty with my OpenSolaris.org registration; a couple days in a row now when I try to login my username or password fails . Once I had to change the password to login another time I had to re-register with OpenSolaris.org.

Re: [osol-discuss] Community participation (was GPLv3 ravings)

2007-02-01 Thread Erast Benson
unfortunately, I do not see up-and-to-the-right type of numbers, but at least numbers are steady, this gives me more hopes that it is not to late to fix that if at all possible/needed. On Thu, 2007-02-01 at 19:28 +, Peter Tribble wrote: On 2/1/07, Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [osol-discuss] Community participation (was GPLv3 ravings)

2007-02-01 Thread James C. McPherson
Erast Benson wrote: unfortunately, I do not see up-and-to-the-right type of numbers, but at least numbers are steady, this gives me more hopes that it is not to late to fix that if at all possible/needed. On Thu, 2007-02-01 at 19:28 +, Peter Tribble wrote: On 2/1/07, Erast Benson [EMAIL

Re: [osol-discuss] Community participation (was GPLv3 ravings)

2007-02-01 Thread Ian Collins
James C. McPherson wrote: Erast Benson wrote: unfortunately, I do not see up-and-to-the-right type of numbers, but at least numbers are steady, this gives me more hopes that it is not to late to fix that if at all possible/needed. Hi Erast, I *really* do not understand why you appear to

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Joerg Schilling
James Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And now I'm told by Casper, someone who's supposed to represent the community (hint: I'm part of the community) that I'm a bigot for it?! That's just insane. You can disagree with me, you can say my ideas are

Re: [osol-discuss] Community participation (was GPLv3 ravings)

2007-02-01 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Thursday 01 February 2007 12:57 pm, James C. McPherson wrote: Yes, the number of those who would call themselves part of the OpenSolaris community is probably not as large as Linux-adherents, but who really cares? Why does it matter? Hear, hear! One thing is for certain...the Linux

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Thursday 01 February 2007 11:28 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's what they want you to think Alan; he'd be promoting it rather than Gnu/Hurd; so we get all those followers (what, all five of them) I don't want to be misled by a smoke screen though. But if they don't say it in public

[osol-discuss] Re: Community participation (was GPLv3 ravings)

2007-02-01 Thread S Destika
[b]Do not reply to me - I read this forum. My email ID is INVALID. Thank you.[/b] James C. McPherson wrote: Hi Erast, I *really* do not understand why you appear to be so concerned about how large or extensive the OpenSolaris community actually is. Yes, the number of those who

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Casper . Dik
A friend mentioned to me today that it was interesting that Sun licensed Java under GPLv2, but Solaris under CDDL, and that it would have seemed more logical to license them the other way around. On the surface this is true, but for those that know what is underneath the surface, know that it

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Community participation (was GPLv3 ravings)

2007-02-01 Thread Casper . Dik
[b]Do not reply to me - I read this forum. My email ID is INVALID. Thank you.[/b] How nice of you. S Destika [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was about to send a repy but now I won't. Casper ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Community participation (was GPLv3 ravings)

2007-02-01 Thread James C. McPherson
S Destika wrote: [b]Do not reply to me - I read this forum. My email ID is INVALID. Thank you.[/b] James C. McPherson wrote: Hi Erast, I *really* do not understand why you appear to be so concerned about how large or extensive the OpenSolaris community actually is. Yes, the number of

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Community participation (was GPLv3 ravings)

2007-02-01 Thread James C. McPherson
S Destika wrote: [b]Do not reply to me - I read this forum. My email ID is INVALID. Thank you.[/b] If you cannot be bothered setting up a valid email address for the mailing lists then perhaps you're not really interested in being part of the community. James C. McPherson -- Solaris kernel

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread John Mark Walker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you friend does not understand much of licensing; one of the nice things of the CDDL is that it allows you to build things without having to go to the trouble to publish all your modifications. As the friend in question, I'm going to have to say that there

[osol-discuss] Slow metadb and metastat on Build 55

2007-02-01 Thread Eric Ham
Hello, I wasn't sure which forum to post to, so if there is a more appropriate one then please let me know. Earlier this week I installed Build 55 on my old E250 to test out ZFS. I setup a couple of zpools and used SVM to mirror my boot disks. Now I'm trying to run a LiveUpgrade to Build 56

[osol-discuss] Exit

2007-02-01 Thread KUENE ROBSON PEREIRA ALVES
I want to exit of this group opensolaris-code. Thanks Kuene Robson ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: e1000g opensourced!

2007-02-01 Thread Shawn Walker
On 1/31/07, Mike Kupfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn == Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Shawn Although puzzling enough it still has proprietary source code Shawn headers in the diffs. An unfortunate artifact of how we delete files. (Or are there others besides e1000g_ddict.h?) mike

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Shawn Walker
On 2/1/07, Bonnie Corwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look at: http://opensolaris.org/os/about/no_source This page has been available since shortly after the launch in June 2005. I had seen that page before, but I didn't remember how to get back to it. How exactly does one navigate to that page

Fortune cookies and community building (was Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?])

2007-02-01 Thread John Plocher
Trying to satisfy the Linux community is wrong-headed, the only community that's we need to satisfy is *our* community. Satisfying and existing are two completely different things, and unfortunately we must exist with them, Linux will not go away any time soon. Oh, we don't need to co-exist

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Thursday 01 February 2007 02:34 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend mentioned to me today that it was interesting that Sun licensed Java under GPLv2, but Solaris under CDDL, and that it would have seemed more logical to license them the other way around. On the surface this is true,

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Thursday 01 February 2007 07:40 am, Shawn Walker wrote: Since they are closed, you can't fix bugs in them, port them to other architectures, try to increase the performance of them, learn from them, etc. I'm not convinced all the closed_bins are somehow perfect and free of any bugs or

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Alan DuBoff wrote: These are the same people that wonder why after close to 2 years, open source software that is in Sun's Solaris distribution are not in OpenSolaris. When they ask why Xorg, GNOME, CUPs, or any other technology that is included in Solaris is not in OpenSolaris at this time,

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-02-01 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Thursday 01 February 2007 07:49 am, Shawn Walker wrote: I think what's most frustrating about the closed_bins is that we don't know *why* in some cases. It would be helpful if there were a status list for the closed_bins that indicated what items would never be available (due to 3rd party

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