Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are willing to participate in further SchilliX development, I would be happy to help your project too. virtually, all our distros based on the same core bits - sunw*. We are planning quite a bit of work there. So, all these beginnings, (i.e.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
Venky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The biggest compatibility problem of OpenSolaris (compared to Sun Solaris) is the fact that libm is not part of OpenSolaris. I agree. And now, there are (at least) two separate attempts to develop a replacement: one by you and one by Moinak for BeleniX. Do

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-26 Thread Erast Benson
On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 18:42 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: virtually, all our distros based on the same core bits - sunw*. We are planning quite a bit of work there. So, all these beginnings, (i.e. SchiliX, BeliniX) are very good for overall progress. After all, thanks to GPL/CDDL. It

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jake Maciejewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let us face reality... Belenix has been developped by starting with SchilliX and modifying it. Um ... I'd strongly object to this statement! It is correct that 2 ideas were taken from the earlier discussions on

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-25 Thread Stephen Lau
Does it matter? One of the great features of open source is being able to save time and derive from other people's work, whether it be implicitly or explicitly. Our nascent community should be helping and supporting each other - not arguing silly debates. cheers, steve Joerg Schilling

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: let me clarify a little bit on what GNU/Solaris distro is. Thank you! The idea behind it is simple: do not re-invent the wheel and try to re-use existing 17000 high quality Debian packages, Debian infrastracture(read Dpkg, APT repositories,

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
Stephen Lau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does it matter? One of the great features of open source is being able to save time and derive from other people's work, whether it be implicitly or explicitly. Our nascent community should be helping and supporting each other - not arguing silly

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-25 Thread ken mays
Jörg, I have the kit and Schillix-0.2 so just need time to review. If someone already has X built for you then just tar up the binaries/libs and post them on the mirrors. I have tarballs of X 6.8.2 (CVS) compiled as well as in Solaris package formats. Take your pick. if you have a natively built

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
ken mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jörg, I have the kit and Schillix-0.2 so just need time to review. If someone already has X built for you then just tar up the binaries/libs and post them on the mirrors. I have tarballs of X 6.8.2 (CVS) compiled as well as in Solaris package formats.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-25 Thread Moinak . Ghosh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let us face reality... Belenix has been developped by starting with SchilliX and modifying it. Um ... I'd strongly object to this statement! It is correct that 2 ideas were taken from the earlier discussions on this list: * Using the math library

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-25 Thread Moinak . Ghosh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let us face reality... Belenix has been developped by starting with SchilliX and modifying it. Um ... I'd strongly object to this statement! It is correct that 2 ideas were taken from the earlier discussions on this list: * Using the math library

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-25 Thread Erast Benson
On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 15:20 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: let me clarify a little bit on what GNU/Solaris distro is. Thank you! The idea behind it is simple: do not re-invent the wheel and try to re-use existing 17000 high quality Debian

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-25 Thread ken mays
1. XFCE 4.2.2 ? 2. Xorg 6.9 RC1 (CVS) - is this with the latest DRI drivers as well ? If so this, this is great! ~Ken M. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW BeleniX 0.2 is due out shortly and boots into a full Graphical XFce4 desktop on Xorg 6.9 RC1 (CVS). It has preliminary

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-25 Thread John Plocher
Erast Benson and Joerg Schilling were discussing GNU/Solaris: GNU/Solaris distribution uses OpenSolaris kernel and runtime(libc). So, it runs any existing Solaris software without modifications. If you put them into /usr/bin, you will overwrite existing standard UNIX tools This points out

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-25 Thread Moinak . Ghosh
1. XFCE 4.2.2 ? XFce 4.2.0 . 2. Xorg 6.9 RC1 (CVS) - is this with the latest DRI drivers as well ? Yes. I did a cvs update of the tree several hours back. I have also included Firefox 1.5/ Thunderbird 1.5 Beta2, Gaim, XMMS, some of the libraries from Gnome 2.12 with Cairo support,

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-25 Thread Erast Benson
Very valid point. Would be nice if all opensolaris-based distros could guarantee to run unmodified C binaries. There are quite a few ways to achive that. Erast On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 11:22 -0700, John Plocher wrote: Erast Benson and Joerg Schilling were discussing GNU/Solaris: GNU/Solaris

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and some other minor stuff. It is most unlikely that you did never have a look at SchilliX and we all know, that knowing that/how something works makes things a lot easier for people who do it the second time and are not forced to develop everything from scratch as I

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
John Plocher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you put them into /usr/bin, you will overwrite existing standard UNIX tools This points out some large differences in people's perceptions of what is a Solaris app? One perspective is a minimalist one, concerned with syscalls in libc; another is

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-25 Thread Erast Benson
On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 23:10 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: John Plocher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you put them into /usr/bin, you will overwrite existing standard UNIX tools This points out some large differences in people's perceptions of what is a Solaris app? One perspective is

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The biggest compatibility problem of OpenSolaris (compared to Sun Solaris) is the fact that libm is not part of OpenSolaris. In case you don't know, it took me a full month already to work on FreeBSD's libm in order to be halfway compatible with

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-25 Thread Venky
The biggest compatibility problem of OpenSolaris (compared to Sun Solaris) is the fact that libm is not part of OpenSolaris. I agree. And now, there are (at least) two separate attempts to develop a replacement: one by you and one by Moinak for BeleniX. Do you think it makes sense to start a

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-25 Thread Bonnie Corwin
The roadmap hasn't been updated (I'll look into that), but libm is coming. Source is targeted for January, and in the interim, we hope to get binaries posted this week or next. Hope that helps. Bonnie Venky wrote On 10/25/05 16:40,: The biggest compatibility problem of OpenSolaris (compared to

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
Bonnie Corwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The roadmap hasn't been updated (I'll look into that), but libm is coming. Source is targeted for January, and in the interim, we hope to get binaries posted this week or next. I was planning to pubish my libm source soon also (after I had the time for

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-25 Thread Venky
Source is targeted for January, and in the interim, we hope to get binaries posted this week or next. Great! Now that's one less issue to fight about! :) Venky. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jake Maciejewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't understand why X is a priority. You provide fluxbox as a window manager instead of a full desktop like GNOME, KDE, or XFCE. You don't provide GUI web browsers like Firefox and Konqueror, email apps like Thunderbird and Evolution, or any of

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-23 Thread ken mays
Joerg, I have X.org 6.8.2 libraries, binaries, and header packages built for Solaris 8/9/10 (x86/SPARC) over at Blastwave. Could these work for you?!? I have Schillix 0.2 so do I need to know something to port X.org over to Schillix that you know of or is everything just a ./configure smake ?!?

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-23 Thread Alan Coopersmith
ken mays wrote: Joerg, I have X.org 6.8.2 libraries, binaries, and header packages built for Solaris 8/9/10 (x86/SPARC) over at Blastwave. Could these work for you?!? I have Schillix 0.2 so do I need to know something to port X.org over to Schillix that you know of or is everything just a

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-23 Thread Moinak . Ghosh
Jake Maciejewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let us face reality... Belenix has been developped by starting with SchilliX and modifying it. Um ... I'd strongly object to this statement! It is correct that 2 ideas were taken from the earlier discussions on this list: * Using the math

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: SchilliX-0.2 ready, but SchilliX (the project) needs help

2005-10-23 Thread Erast Benson
Guys, let me clarify a little bit on what GNU/Solaris distro is. The idea behind it is simple: do not re-invent the wheel and try to re-use existing 17000 high quality Debian packages, Debian infrastracture(read Dpkg, APT repositories, Debootstraps, installation program, utilities, developer's