On 18/02/15 10:07 -0500, Doug Hellmann wrote:
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015, at 05:40 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 09:29:19AM -0800, Clint Byrum wrote:
Excerpts from Daniel P. Berrange's message of 2015-02-17 02:37:50 -0800:
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 03:14:39PM +0100, Stefano
On 2015-03-08 08:20:31 -0430 (-0430), Flavio Percoco wrote:
I'm pretty sure this was discussed already in a TC meeting, which
I did not attend unfortunately. In the spite of keeoing things
open - not only the issues but also the solutions found - would
someone from the TC (or Stefano) mind
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 09:29:19AM -0800, Clint Byrum wrote:
Excerpts from Daniel P. Berrange's message of 2015-02-17 02:37:50 -0800:
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 03:14:39PM +0100, Stefano Maffulli wrote:
## Cores are *NOT* special
At some point, for some reason that is unknown to me,
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015, at 05:40 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 09:29:19AM -0800, Clint Byrum wrote:
Excerpts from Daniel P. Berrange's message of 2015-02-17 02:37:50 -0800:
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 03:14:39PM +0100, Stefano Maffulli wrote:
## Cores are *NOT*
On 17/02/15 10:44 -0500, Doug Hellmann wrote:
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015, at 05:37 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 03:14:39PM +0100, Stefano Maffulli wrote:
## Cores are *NOT* special
At some point, for some reason that is unknown to me, this message
changed and the
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015, at 05:37 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 03:14:39PM +0100, Stefano Maffulli wrote:
## Cores are *NOT* special
At some point, for some reason that is unknown to me, this message
changed and the feeling of core's being some kind of
Excerpts from Daniel P. Berrange's message of 2015-02-17 02:37:50 -0800:
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 03:14:39PM +0100, Stefano Maffulli wrote:
## Cores are *NOT* special
At some point, for some reason that is unknown to me, this message
changed and the feeling of core's being some kind
On Feb 17, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote:
Shaming a person is a last resort, when that person may not listen to
reason. It's sometimes necessary to bring shame to a practice, but even
then, those who are participating are now draped in shame as well and
will have a
Excerpts from Ed Leafe's message of 2015-02-17 10:11:01 -0800:
On Feb 17, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote:
Shaming a person is a last resort, when that person may not listen to
reason. It's sometimes necessary to bring shame to a practice, but even
then, those who
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 03:14:39PM +0100, Stefano Maffulli wrote:
## Cores are *NOT* special
At some point, for some reason that is unknown to me, this message
changed and the feeling of core's being some kind of superheros became
a thing. It's gotten far enough to the point that I've
Stefano Maffulli wrote:
And so far, no real indication of why IRC is worse than a private
phone call or a water-cooler conversation on a regular basis.
Multiple people have explained why already and you're choosing to ignore
their words: permanent private IRC channels are a bad habit that
I was traveling for two days, and I miss a great thread like this. Go
figure! One comment in-line.
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 3:55 AM, Flavio Percoco fla...@redhat.com wrote:
Greetings all,
During the last two cycles, I've had the feeling that some of the
things I love the most about this
On Thu, 2015-02-12 at 16:01 +, Amrith Kumar wrote:
How is a private IRC channel any different from a culture of private
discussions? Having a chat over lunch, in the hallway, on the
telephone, etc.,
I will articulate again why I think that a group of leaders of OpenStack
*should not*
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015, Flavio Percoco wrote:
On 11/02/15 11:24 +, Chris Dent wrote:
I think it is time we recognize and act on the fact that the corporate
landlords that pay many of us to farm on this land need to provide more
resources. This will help to ensure the health of semi-artifical
On 12/02/15 12:04 +, Chris Dent wrote:
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015, Flavio Percoco wrote:
The important bit, thoguh, is that email is meant for asynchronous
communication and IRC isn't. If things that require the intervention
of other folks from the community are being discussed and those folks
On 2015-02-12 18:34:56 +0100 (+0100), Flavio Percoco wrote:
[...]
we *don't* have a public voip channel
[...]
Well, technically we do if you want one.
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Conferencing
But of course the logistics around all the project connecting in and
talking at
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 1:55 AM, Flavio Percoco fla...@redhat.com wrote:
[...]
## Keep discussions open
I don't believe there's anything wrong about kicking off some
discussions in private channels about specs/bugs. I don't believe
there's anything wrong in having calls to speed up some
Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2015-02-12 00:13:35 -0800:
On 11/02/15 09:37 -0800, Clint Byrum wrote:
Excerpts from Stefano Maffulli's message of 2015-02-11 06:14:39 -0800:
On Wed, 2015-02-11 at 10:55 +0100, Flavio Percoco wrote:
This email is dedicated to the openness of our
On 12/02/15 01:41 -0800, Nikhil Manchanda wrote:
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 1:55 AM, Flavio Percoco fla...@redhat.com wrote:
[...]
## Keep discussions open
I don't believe there's anything wrong about kicking off some
discussions in private channels about specs/bugs. I don't believe
there's
-Original Message-
From: Donald Stufft [mailto:don...@stufft.io]
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 4:34 PM
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets
fight for it
On Feb 11, 2015
On 02/11/2015 06:20 PM, Clint Byrum wrote:
Excerpts from Nikola Đipanov's message of 2015-02-11 05:26:47 -0800:
On 02/11/2015 02:13 PM, Sean Dague wrote:
If core team members start dropping off external IRC where they are
communicating across corporate boundaries, then the local tribal
On 11/02/15 09:37 -0800, Clint Byrum wrote:
Excerpts from Stefano Maffulli's message of 2015-02-11 06:14:39 -0800:
On Wed, 2015-02-11 at 10:55 +0100, Flavio Percoco wrote:
This email is dedicated to the openness of our community/project.
It's good to have a reminder every now and then. Thank
Flavio Percoco wrote:
On 11/02/15 17:19 +, Amrith Kumar wrote:
Personally, I think the focus on password protected IRC channels is a
distraction from the real issue that we need to ensure that the
rapidly growing community is one where public discussion and decision
making are still the
On Thu, 2015-02-12 at 10:37 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Right. You can't prevent occasional private discussions and pings, and
you shouldn't. It's when you encourage and officialize them (by for
example creating a channel for them) that things start to go bad.
Yes, that's very bad. Private
On Thu, 2015-02-12 at 10:35 +, Kuvaja, Erno wrote:
I'm not attacking against having summits, I think the face to face
time is incredibly valuable for all kind of things. My point was to
bring up general flaw of the flow between all inclusive decision
making vs. decided in summit session.
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015, Flavio Percoco wrote:
The important bit, thoguh, is that email is meant for asynchronous
communication and IRC isn't. If things that require the intervention
of other folks from the community are being discussed and those folks
are not on IRC, it'd be wrong to consider the
I think there's a place for
private conversation (eg. discussing a security issue that corresponds
to a CVE...
CVE's are a special exception and I'd even argue on the need of
private conversations there.
Discussing CVEs in private came up few times but I'm not sure IRC is
secure enough for
On 2015-02-12 17:20:37 +0100 (+0100), Alan Pevec wrote:
Discussing CVEs in private came up few times but I'm not sure IRC
is secure enough for that. IMHO discussion about embargoed issues
must be kept in private Launchpad bugs but I'd like to hear from
VMT team.
I do from time to time /msg a
On 2015-02-12 10:35:18 + (+), Kuvaja, Erno wrote:
[...]
I'd like to point out that that this discussion has been pushing
all inclusive open approach. Not ATC, not specially approved
individuals, but everyone. Mailing list can easily facilitate
participation of everyone who wishes to do
...@redhat.com]
| Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 3:06 AM
| To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
| Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets
| fight for it
|
| On 11/02/15 17:19 +, Amrith Kumar wrote:
|
| [snip]
|
| Mostly, I'm very happy
On 11/02/15 17:19 +, Amrith Kumar wrote:
[snip]
Mostly, I'm very happy to see Flavio's email which ends with this:
All the above being said, I'd like to thank everyone who fights for the
openness of our community
and encourage everyone to make that a must have thing in each
| To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
| Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets
| fight for it
|
| On 11/02/15 17:19 +, Amrith Kumar wrote:
|
| [snip]
|
| Mostly, I'm very happy to see Flavio's email which ends with this:
|
| All
On 11/02/15 11:24 +, Chris Dent wrote:
On Wed, 11 Feb 2015, Flavio Percoco wrote:
During the last two cycles, I've had the feeling that some of the
things I love the most about this community are degrading and moving
to a state that I personally disagree with. With the hope of seeing
these
On 2015-02-11 11:31:13 + (+), Kuvaja, Erno wrote:
[...]
If you don't belong to the group of privileged living in the area
and receiving free ticket somehow or company paying your
participation you're not included. $600 + travel + accommodation
is quite hefty premium to be included, not
| Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets
| fight for it
|
| On Wed, 2015-02-11 at 10:55 +0100, Flavio Percoco wrote:
| This email is dedicated to the openness of our community/project.
|
| It's good to have a reminder every now and then. Thank you Flavio
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
On 2015-02-11 11:31:13 + (+), Kuvaja, Erno wrote:
[...]
If you don't belong to the group of privileged living in the area
and receiving free ticket somehow or company paying your
participation you're not included. $600 +
Excerpts from Stefano Maffulli's message of 2015-02-11 06:14:39 -0800:
On Wed, 2015-02-11 at 10:55 +0100, Flavio Percoco wrote:
This email is dedicated to the openness of our community/project.
It's good to have a reminder every now and then. Thank you Flavio for
caring enough to notice bad
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 08:13:05AM -0500, Sean Dague wrote:
On 02/11/2015 05:52 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
## Mailing List vs IRC Channel
I get it, our mailing list is freaking busy, keeping up with it is
hard and time consuming and that leads to lots of IRC discussions. I
don't
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015, at 09:14 AM, Stefano Maffulli wrote:
On Wed, 2015-02-11 at 10:55 +0100, Flavio Percoco wrote:
This email is dedicated to the openness of our community/project.
It's good to have a reminder every now and then. Thank you Flavio for
caring enough to notice bad patterns
On Feb 11, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Jeremy Stanley fu...@yuggoth.org wrote:
On 2015-02-11 11:31:13 + (+), Kuvaja, Erno wrote:
[...]
If you don't belong to the group of privileged living in the area
and receiving free ticket somehow or company paying your
participation you're not
On Wed, 2015-02-11 at 09:32 -0500, Sean Dague wrote:
Definitely true, to each his/her own. I still consider it unfortunate.
I've also heard core developers state that they stopped reading the
mailing list months ago. Which I also find unfortunate.
That's terrible: do you know why they don't
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015, at 09:32 AM, Sean Dague wrote:
On 02/11/2015 09:02 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 08:13:05AM -0500, Sean Dague wrote:
On 02/11/2015 05:52 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
## Mailing List vs IRC Channel
I get it, our mailing list is freaking
Excerpts from Nikola Đipanov's message of 2015-02-11 05:26:47 -0800:
On 02/11/2015 02:13 PM, Sean Dague wrote:
If core team members start dropping off external IRC where they are
communicating across corporate boundaries, then the local tribal effects
start taking over. You get people
know not.
| -Original Message-
| From: Amrith Kumar [mailto:amr...@tesora.com]
| Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 12:20 PM
| To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
| Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets
| fight
IRC: amrith @freenode
I work on OpenStack Trove (#openstack-trove)
| -Original Message-
| From: Stefano Maffulli [mailto:stef...@openstack.org]
| Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 9:15 AM
| To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
| Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep
On 02/11/2015 04:52 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:55:18AM +0100, Flavio Percoco wrote:
Greetings all,
During the last two cycles, I've had the feeling that some of the
things I love the most about this community are degrading and moving
to a state that I personally
On 2015-02-11 09:20:34 -0800 (-0800), Clint Byrum wrote:
[...]
That said, I do want us to talk about uncomfortable things when
necessary. I think this thread is not something where it will be
entirely productive to stay 100% positive throughout. We might
just have to use some negative language
On 2/11/15, 3:26 PM, Nikola Đipanov ndipa...@redhat.com wrote:
On 02/11/2015 02:13 PM, Sean Dague wrote:
If core team members start dropping off external IRC where they are
communicating across corporate boundaries, then the local tribal effects
start taking over. You get people start
On Wed, 2015-02-11 at 10:55 +0100, Flavio Percoco wrote:
This email is dedicated to the openness of our community/project.
It's good to have a reminder every now and then. Thank you Flavio for
caring enough to notice bad patterns and for raising a flag.
## Keep discussions open
I don't
On 02/11/2015 09:02 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 08:13:05AM -0500, Sean Dague wrote:
On 02/11/2015 05:52 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
## Mailing List vs IRC Channel
I get it, our mailing list is freaking busy, keeping up with it is
hard and time consuming and that
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Jeremy Stanley fu...@yuggoth.org wrote:
Also, if there are people on this list who feel like
discussions here sometimes get negative or uncomfortable, I'm happy
to point you to free software community mailing lists (more than I
can count on all my fingers and
On 2015-02-11 14:06:23 -0600 (-0600), Brian Curtin wrote:
If people feel it's a negative or uncomfortable environment, find
out why and try to do something to improve it. Telling someone
that there are worse options out there is the opposite of
fostering an open community.
Fair point--I was
Flavio Percoco wrote:
During the last two cycles, I've had the feeling that some of the
things I love the most about this community are degrading and moving
to a state that I personally disagree with. With the hope of seeing
these things improve, I'm taking the time today to share one of my
Greetings all,
During the last two cycles, I've had the feeling that some of the
things I love the most about this community are degrading and moving
to a state that I personally disagree with. With the hope of seeing
these things improve, I'm taking the time today to share one of my
concerns.
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:55:18AM +0100, Flavio Percoco wrote:
Greetings all,
During the last two cycles, I've had the feeling that some of the
things I love the most about this community are degrading and moving
to a state that I personally disagree with. With the hope of seeing
these
-Original Message-
From: Flavio Percoco [mailto:fla...@redhat.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 9:55 AM
To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Subject: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight
for it
Greetings all,
During the last two cycles, I've
On Wed, 11 Feb 2015, Flavio Percoco wrote:
During the last two cycles, I've had the feeling that some of the
things I love the most about this community are degrading and moving
to a state that I personally disagree with. With the hope of seeing
these things improve, I'm taking the time today
+ Inf for writing this Flavio!
Only some observations below.
On 02/11/2015 10:55 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote:
Greetings all,
During the last two cycles, I've had the feeling that some of the
things I love the most about this community are degrading and moving
to a state that I personally
On 11/02/15 11:31 +, Kuvaja, Erno wrote:
## Mailing List vs IRC Channel
I get it, our mailing list is freaking busy, keeping up with it is hard and time
consuming and that leads to lots of IRC discussions. I don't think there's
anything wrong with that but I believe it's wrong to expect
On Wed, 11 Feb 2015, Chris Dent wrote:
I think it is time we recognize and act on the fact that the corporate
landlords that pay many of us to farm on this land need to provide more
resources.
In case it wasn't clear, by this I don't mean project managers and
other styles of enterprisey
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 12:53:24PM +0100, Nikola Đipanov wrote:
+ Inf for writing this Flavio!
Absolutely! I never even knew such things existed in this community.
Only some observations below.
[. . .]
## Mailing List vs IRC Channel
I get it, our mailing list is freaking busy,
On 02/11/2015 04:55 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote:
Greetings all,
During the last two cycles, I've had the feeling that some of the
things I love the most about this community are degrading and moving
to a state that I personally disagree with. With the hope of seeing
these things improve, I'm
On 02/11/2015 05:52 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:55:18AM +0100, Flavio Percoco wrote:
Greetings all,
During the last two cycles, I've had the feeling that some of the
things I love the most about this community are degrading and moving
to a state that I personally
On 02/11/2015 02:13 PM, Sean Dague wrote:
If core team members start dropping off external IRC where they are
communicating across corporate boundaries, then the local tribal effects
start taking over. You get people start talking about the upstream as
them. The moment we get into us vs.
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