Re: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Richard Foote
Hi Rachel, Correct, Skip Scan Index is not a type of index but a method whereby Oracle can eliminate the need to visit leaf nodes by determining whether the leading column(s) have changed by sussing out only the branch nodes. It's possibly useful in situations where previously Oracle would not

Re: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Mladen Gogala
I tried it and what it does is, essentially, a fast full index scan on the remaining columns of the index. To resolve the query, oracle does a full sequential scan on the index instead on the table. If your index is one third size of the table, you saved quite a few IOs but don't expect anything

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Rachel Carmichael
Mark, thanks, interesting article. But I'm still getting the feeling that the index skip scan is helpful only when you don't want to create a secondary index on columns that are not the left-most column. since I believe that we will be doing a LOT of queries by order date as well, I'm not sure

Re: Alternative way to write delete query

2003-05-29 Thread Mogens Nørgaard
If anybody knows, it must be Lex... Lex, you genius of geniuses and SQL Logician of them all - can you help here? Mogens Mark Richard wrote: This is quite close to what I was thinking of however it doesn't seem to work for Oracle. Does anyone know if there is similar syntax available in

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: RE: skip scan index Rachel, Skip scan index is not a index type, it is a index scan type. Maybe the developer should re-read the relevant portion of the manual. If your order volume is low, you probably won't see much performance impact by having two indexes (like you need to hear

Re: Oracle, IBM fight of whose DB is more manageable

2003-05-29 Thread Mogens Nørgaard
It's an oxymoron, I'd say. Gogala, Mladen wrote: What is a predictable corporate environment? I know of no such thing. Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

RE: Is there an Oracle 9i on 32-bit ??

2003-05-29 Thread Goulet, Dick
If you check out product availability on MetaLink there is NO 9i 32 bit for HP. It's all 64 bit. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 03:19:40PM

Re: Oracle 11i new features

2003-05-29 Thread Jan Pruner
H ... Oracle 11 h beer http://www.oracle.com/appsnet/technology/upgrade/docs/features.html JP On Wednesday 28 of May 2003 12:07, you wrote: Hi Can anybody tell me a website where I can know about new features in Oracle 11/11i? Thanks in Advance Ajay K. Garg --

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Rachel Carmichael
Stephane, The queries will almost always include data from the data blocks in addition to the index information. The only query I can think of where that would not be true would be a simple count of orders by date. I'm beginning to think, based on this discussion and others we've had here where

RE: where is info stored when using the ANALYZE cmd?

2003-05-29 Thread Stephane Faroult
1. If I analyze the code using the explain plan, where is info created from this explain plan stored at? Look for the PLAN_TABLE table (prior to 9 - otherwise there is a package). If you don't have any PLAN_TABLE create it by running $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin/utlxplan prior to executing the

Re: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Rachel Carmichael
Got it this is going to buy me exactly nothing given my app and database design and database size.. --- Mladen Gogala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried it and what it does is, essentially, a fast full index scan on the remaining columns of the index. To resolve the query, oracle does a

Re: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Wolfgang Breitling
At 02:59 AM 5/28/2003 -0800, you wrote: Okay, I have a developer here who has been reading the docs (this can be dangerous!) we are adding functionality to one of our applications, this will involve using multiple fulfillment houses, so we'll be adding the fulfillment vendor id to the order table.

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Goulet, Dick
Rachel, I'll send you a baseball bat to club that duhveloper over the head with. Your right, skip scan is a method that Oracle uses to make use of an index when logically it should not. You cannot specify it that way. Darn duhvelopers who read things into manuals, it's dangerous for

Re: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Richard Foote
Hi Rachel, Correct, Skip Scan Index is not a type of index but a method whereby Oracle can eliminate the need to visit leaf nodes by determining whether the leading column(s) have changed by sussing out only the branch nodes. It's possibly useful in situations where previously Oracle would not

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Rachel Carmichael
I don't doubt that it works I just doubt that I NEED it :) --- Jamadagni, Rajendra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rachel, Skip scan index is not a index type, it is a index scan type. Maybe the developer should re-read the relevant portion of the manual. If your order volume is low, you

Re: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Rachel Carmichael
Richard, the access would be order date or vendor id/order date (since it's possible to look up by vendor id alone as well) very low cardinality on vendor id -- right now I have all of two. personal opinion is that the developer read something cool and decided to tell the DBA how to do things,

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Kevin Toepke
Rachel My experience with index skip scans can be summed up as follows. If you know the app will be doing a particular scan, create the index. Index Skip Scans should be thought of a means to help optimize those pesky ad-hoc queries only. I haven't been able to get a skip-can to work unless

Hidden Columns

2003-05-29 Thread Bill Buchan
Hi all, I know this is RTFM but I can't find the right part in the FM to R. So any help would be appreciated: In the context of: DBMS_STATS.GATHER_DATABASE_STATS(method_opt='FOR ALL HIDDEN COLUMNS'); what is a hidden column. I tried gathering stats FOR ALL HIDDEN COLUMNS and it didn't

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Rachel Carmichael
Dick, I club him regularly... doesn't seem to get through. As someone (Bill Thater) once said on the OT list.. this guy wouldn't be able to spot a clue, in a clue field, during clue mating season while drenched in clue pheronomes. I fight all the time with him. I win :). My basic premise is

RE: Space Remaining in Current Extent - Done

2003-05-29 Thread Kevin Lange
Thanks for everyone for responding. I think I have enough to get as close as I can to what was requested. Kevin -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 5:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I'll beg/borrow steal from John Beresniewicz's book on Oracle Built-in

RE: Alternative way to write delete query

2003-05-29 Thread Chelur, Jayadas {PBSG}
delete table1 where exists ( select 1 from ( select column from table_a union all select column from table_b ) a where a.column = table1.column ); -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, May 28,

Fwd: Hidden Columns

2003-05-29 Thread Bill Buchan
Sorry for wasting bandwidth - found the answer 5 minutes later (found it by looking up histograms in the manual, not DBMS_STATS): For those who want to know - a hidden column is an expression for a function based index. Therefore you can use this option to gather stats when using function

RE: would imp speed affect by setting indexes to NOLOGGING?

2003-05-29 Thread gmei
I have a question about index creation. When I run create index xyz ... tablespace indx_ts ... at what stage sort_area_size (and temp space if sort_area_size is not large enough) is used during the process? Is my understanding correct that the index will be created in indx_ts (not temp

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2003-05-29 Thread antonio . belloni
We have two servers: Server A running iAS ; Server B running IDS 9 and serving files. We map one drive from server B to server A and we are trying to access the forms on the remote driver: http://host:port/forms90/f90servlet?form=f:\form_name.fmx But we receive an error saying that the servlet

Re: where is info stored when using the ANALYZE cmd?

2003-05-29 Thread Reginald . W . Bailey
Answer to question #1: The plan_table owned by system or sys. #2: Try the following: V$BUFFER_POOL, V$LIBRARYCACHE, V$DB_OBJECT_CACHE, V$MYSTAT, V$SESSION_WAIT, V$SESSTAT Good Hunting.

Re: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Rachel Carmichael
I'll take your vote! Especially since you have hard evidence that you can't always get there from here and even with one value (we'll have two at the beginning) get an index skip scan to occur --- Wolfgang Breitling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 02:59 AM 5/28/2003 -0800, you wrote: Okay, I have

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Goulet, Dick
Rachel, For skip scan to work you'll need statistics, namely CBO, which if that's the case, create the one index if needed due to a unique constraint and forget about it. Chances are that the CBO will decide on a FTS anyway. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA

RE: Oracle, IBM fight of whose DB is more manageable

2003-05-29 Thread Mark Leith
What, like: Oracle, Unbreakable? ;) -Original Message- Nrgaard Sent: 28 May 2003 14:05 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L It's an oxymoron, I'd say. Gogala, Mladen wrote: What is a predictable corporate environment? I know of no such thing. Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Rachel Carmichael
Kevin, Thanks these will NOT be ad-hoc queries but part of the app -- for the admin and customer service users. I'm leaning more and more towards setting things up so that we either do a full table scan or use two indexes. I just did a query -- since the app was released in December, we

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Freeman Robert - IL
Rachel, First, I'd strongly suggest you look at 9.2.0.3... there are a number of bug fixes in it and we have been running it here for a couple of months now I would say with few problems. With regards to the skip scans on indexes, your assumptions are correct. I've seen some cases where skip

Problem running form app in 9iAS

2003-05-29 Thread antonio . belloni
We have two servers: Server A running iAS ; Server B running IDS 9 and serving files. We map one drive from server B to server A and we are trying to access the forms on the remote driver: http://host:port/forms90/f90servlet?form=f:\form_name.fmx But we receive an error saying that the servlet

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
List - If I wanted to know whether my query was taking advantage of index skip scans, how would I know? Is there something different in the EXPLAIN PLAN that I should look for? The discussion just made me curious. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Which method is more efficient

2003-05-29 Thread Rodrigues, Bryan
Hello everyone, I have a question for the group of which method is more efficient. To set the stage my company has a process to load part changes from vendors into the tables in an 8.1.7.4 Oracle database with archiving on and this database has a standby database at disaster recovery site, so

Unbreakable, my buns. Upgrade to 9.2/w2k

2003-05-29 Thread Koivu, Lisa
Title: Unbreakable, my buns. Upgrade to 9.2/w2k For those of you who have upgraded to 9.2 on w2k: How many of you have ended up with such a hosed server that you had to completely wipe Oracle off of it and start with a fresh install (9.2)? It was spectacular! I ended up in this situation

RE: Hidden Columns

2003-05-29 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Bill - Try Google. A quick search yielded the fact this has something to do with creating columns of objects, nested table, varray, or REF type. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:45 AM To: Multiple

maxextents unlimited - value in dba_tables, dba_indexes

2003-05-29 Thread Cunningham, Gerald
Title: Message Hi all, I have a database where all tables and indexes have maxextents set to unlimited. Why, in dba_tables, do some tables have a null value for maxetents and some have a value of2147483645? An index I just modified (previous value of maxextents was 249) now has a null

Re: Hidden Columns

2003-05-29 Thread Wolfgang Breitling
Hidden columns are used if you use certain features of Oracle, e.g. materialized views, replication, objects At 06:44 AM 5/28/2003 -0800, you wrote: Hi all, I know this is RTFM but I can't find the right part in the FM to R. So any help would be appreciated: In the context of:

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Khedr, Waleed
A short cut to test the new feature is using the hint index_ss(table,index). Index skip scan is not an index scan or fast full scan. Regards, Waleed -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Okay, I have a developer here who has

RE: Problem running form app in 9iAS

2003-05-29 Thread Kevin Toepke
Yes, the OPERATION column in PLAN_TABLE will show something along the lines of index access - skip. Easy to overlook, but its there. -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We have two servers: Server A

index-organized table question

2003-05-29 Thread Pardee, Roy E
Greetings all, Say I have two main tables in a M:M relationship, and a junction table resolving the relationship, like so: create table staff (staff_id number PRIMARY KEY , name varchar2(50) , other cols) ; create table projects (proj_id number PRIMARY KEY , name varchar2(50)

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Hengen, Brian
I've done a little bit research and testing on this and one thing that I've found is that the optimizer will only choose a skip-scan route if the leading column of the index is relatively non-selective. I haven't been able to pin down how non-selective it has to be, but I've never had one kick in

RE: Which method is more efficient

2003-05-29 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: RE: Which method is more efficient I vote for the whole record, you'd be spending more time and resources in finding _which_ field has changed. Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views

Re: Unbreakable, my buns. Upgrade to 9.2/w2k

2003-05-29 Thread Thomas Day
I was not able to upgrade an 8.1.7.0 database to 9.2.0.1.0 on Win2K. I had to create a new Oracle home, install 9.2, and clone the database in 9.2. OUI did not upgrade successfully.

RE: Unbreakable, my buns. Upgrade to 9.2/w2k

2003-05-29 Thread Seefelt, Beth
Title: Message I upgaded 2 productionservers. One running 9 instances, one running 3. Both are serving data warehouses. Had no problem. -Original Message-From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:25 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list

Re: Which method is more efficient

2003-05-29 Thread rgaffuri
1. to totally eliminate redo, load your staging records into a global temp table. it has absolutely no redo and is very fast. 2. if your in 9i, use an external table and a merge command and update the table directly from the file. dont even load the records to a staging table. Do a search for

RE: maxextents unlimited - value in dba_tables, dba_indexes

2003-05-29 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Jerry - I did a quick survey of some of my databases and only found a single table that had a null MAX_EXTENTS and it was not partitioned. Its name was ATEMPTAB$ owned by SYS. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent:

RE: Which method is more efficient

2003-05-29 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Bryan - If this is a critical issue, I would try it both ways on a test database and use log miner to examine the amount of redo that is generated. My recollection is that you will find that the redo record records the before and after data for each field. So just updating all fields may generate

RE: Unbreakable, my buns. Upgrade to 9.2/w2k

2003-05-29 Thread Freeman Robert - IL
and THAT is the reason NOT, repeat, NOT to use the OUI to do upgrades. Do 'em manually, I've had a very good success rate that way. Never trust the GUI's. Never. Robert (self-proclaimed GUI biggot) -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 5/28/2003 11:56 AM I

RE: Which method is more efficient

2003-05-29 Thread Goulet, Dick
Bryan, First item is to define efficient. Are you looking for efficiency in the update of data on the production database or the standby? The code needed to determine which columns need updating is going to be a real bear and could create several update statements per record. On the

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Freeman Robert - IL
I've had a couple kick in where full scans were happening before (badly tuned SQL with out a proper index) and in one case I saw a three index and-equal become a skip scan. I'm about 70/30 against skip scans on performance improvements with hints. RF -Original Message- To: Multiple

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Freeman Robert - IL
The execution plan indicates if a skip scan is happening. Can't remember the exact verbage and I don't have a convienient plan with one handy to pull out, but you will know it when you see it. RF -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 5/28/2003 10:45 AM List -

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Freeman Robert - IL
Trifling even if we do an FTS Until your developers develop a query next month that joins that table to the 200 million row table they are planning on installing but just forgot to tell you about. Developers are funny that way. Excuse me, did you plan any indexing on this table??

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Freeman Robert - IL
A skip scan can be a index scan, full scan or range scan type access. It simply allows a unusable column to be deselected from the index (for lack of a better word) during these operations. RF -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 5/28/2003 11:15 AM A short

Re: RE: Which method is more efficient

2003-05-29 Thread rgaffuri
oh i missed part of it. the question is how do you figure out which fields have changed? if you have to do an anti-join on each field, then do an update of every field. the question is how will you determine which fields have changed? From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:

RE: Oracle Performance Tuning 101 Book now Available!

2003-05-29 Thread Johnson, Michael
Title: Precise Software Solutions IMHO, Every DBA should own this book. It will change your way of thinking about how to approach oracleperformance problems. Mike -Original Message-From: Kent Mingus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 6:50 AMTo:

RE: Unbreakable, my buns. Upgrade to 9.2/w2k

2003-05-29 Thread Tony Johnson
Title: Unbreakable, my buns. Upgrade to 9.2/w2k I have upgraded 16 databases ( manually using the scripts and procedures in metablink as a guide ) with very few problems and only then on the 1st ones I did. We were going from 8174 ro 92021 on Win2k SP3. -Original Message-From:

RE: Unbreakable, my buns. Upgrade to 9.2/w2k

2003-05-29 Thread Jared . Still
As much as I prefer the command line do it yourself approach, I did have one occasion recently where I did use the GUI, and it worked fine. In the process of upgrading several 8.0.4 databases to 8.1.7, I had trouble with one database. Sorry, can't recall the details, but I went over the

SAP Hands SAP DB over to MySQL

2003-05-29 Thread Jared . Still
The past few months I've been wondering when MySQL would start putting pressure on Oracle in the same way that Linux is putting pressure on MS. Maybe sooner than you think: http://news.com.com/2100-1012_3-1010522.html?tag=fd_top Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ:

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Gogala, Mladen
Actually, it is an index full scan. Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L A short cut to test the new feature is using the hint index_ss(table,index).

RE: Oracle Performance Tuning 101 Book now Available!

2003-05-29 Thread Charlie_Mengler
I refuse to do business with spammers; regardless of what their product may be. Johnson, Michael

RE: Bulk collect got truncated?

2003-05-29 Thread Gorbounov,Vadim
Hi dear listers, Some of you may still remember this thread, bulk collect truncated to 65535 records sometimes. I've got this case reproduceable and tried all suggestions , In a brief, SELECT returns 318847 rows, INSERT INTO FROM SELECT - 318847 rows, PL/SQL plain FOR cr IN (select ..)

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Khedr, Waleed
Skip scan will show in the execution plan as skip scan. Not true that it will show as regular index scan. Waleed -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 1:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L A skip scan can be a index scan, full scan or range scan type access. It

AW: Unbreakable, my buns. Upgrade to 9.2/w2k .... repost

2003-05-29 Thread Stefan Jahnke
Title: Unbreakable, my buns. Upgrade to 9.2/w2k Maybe that's a good opportunity to repost a question before I apply patchsets: I actually planned on applying the Patchset to lift 9.2.0.1.0 up to 9.2.0.3.0. But while downloading, I saw that 9.2.0.3.0 came out on April, 7th, while there

RE: SAP Hands SAP DB over to MySQL

2003-05-29 Thread Orr, Steve
At http://www.sapdb.org/7.4/pdf/sapdb_letter.pdf SAP offers clarification: SAP: Contrary to erroneous press reports, SAP AG has not given up any rights concerning the SAP DB code base nor handed over or even sold SAP DB to MySQL AB. SAP: SAP AG remains responsible for ongoing development and

RE: RE: Which method is more efficient

2003-05-29 Thread Rodrigues, Bryan
The fields that are changed are determined by 1) A loop would start until all records in parts change table are done 2) Select a part record from the part changes table 3) Select the same part from the existing part table 4) Compare the value in the parts changes table against the corresponding

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Khedr, Waleed
Easy test case: CREATE TABLE TEST_SKIP ( C1 NUMBER NOT NULL, C2 NUMBER NOT NULL, C3 NUMBER NULL ); CREATE UNIQUE INDEX TESTSKIP1 ON TEST_SKIP(C1,C2); select --+ index_ss(test_skip, ) c1,c2,c3 from test_skip where c2 = 10; OPERATIONOPTIONS

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Gogala, Mladen
True enough, it will show as index skip scan, but if you take a look at the statistics, you'll see that the nubmer of blocks read roughly corresponds to the number of blocks in the index. It is also logical, because without the first column, the only way to find the desired key is to read the

RE: Unbreakable, my buns. Upgrade to 9.2/w2k .... repost

2003-05-29 Thread Koivu, Lisa
Title: Unbreakable, my buns. Upgrade to 9.2/w2k Hi Stefan, I don't know how much HELP this is, but I've seen several comments on the list stating that 9.2.0.3 is the version to be at. I'm going to that patch level from 8.1.7.4. You are right, the docs are confusing. I've found that

RE: RE: Which method is more efficient

2003-05-29 Thread rgaffuri
have you run it? isnt that alot slower? you have alot of context switches also. for every record to update, you then switch to SQL. what kind of efficiency improvement are you going for? Speed or cutting down on redo? Are you in archivelog mode and dont want to blow up your archives? From:

which util do I use to see oracle's execution plan?

2003-05-29 Thread Maryann Atkinson
I am so novice it'll probably take me years to learn oracle like some of you know it in here... I am just studying a book, and try to learn from some of its questions. a. Which util do I use to see oracle's execution plan for a SQL statement? Which statement would you recommend me, so I can

RE: SAP Hands SAP DB over to MySQL

2003-05-29 Thread Orr, Steve
Reminiscent of the M$/Sybase partnership? -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:40 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' At http://www.sapdb.org/7.4/pdf/sapdb_letter.pdf SAP offers clarification: SAP: Contrary to erroneous press reports, SAP AG has not given up any rights

Oracle Financials and IBM/AIX Platforms

2003-05-29 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
All, Anybody running Oracle Financials on an IBM/AIX platform? I've been asked for opinions on running the latest version on an IBM P650 platform running AIX. This would be just for the database itself. Any suggestions for required memory/disk? I know I need to provide more info (like how

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Thanks Waleed. Something even I can understand! Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 1:52 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Easy test case: CREATE TABLE TEST_SKIP ( C1 NUMBER NOT NULL,

RE: Unbreakable, my buns. Upgrade to 9.2/w2k

2003-05-29 Thread Koivu, Lisa
Thanks everyone for your responses. wish me luck... Lisa M. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 1:21 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L and THAT is the reason NOT, repeat, NOT to use the OUI to do upgrades. Do 'em manually, I've had a very good success rate that

RE: Bulk collect got truncated?

2003-05-29 Thread Mark Moynahan
Is it possible that you are running out memory on the OS? A different question I have is why bulk collect such a large amount at once. Why not do a cursor with a limit on the fetch? This would allow you to process in smaller batches instead of one gigantic fetch and insert. Mark -Original

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Khedr, Waleed
I'm talking about the way it get executed not the statistics or the cost. The cost is completely dependent on the distribution of the data. For example if we have table (c1 number, c2 number) and a primary key on (c1, c2). And the data looks like this: c1 c2 A 1 A 2 A 3 A 4 . . .

RE: RE: Which method is more efficient

2003-05-29 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: RE: RE: Which method is more efficient Bryan, Can you ... create table my_work_table as select * from changed_parts_table minus select * from existing_parts_table / The result will give you all the rows where _something_ is different between your existing table and changed table.

Re: Oracle Financials and IBM/AIX Platforms

2003-05-29 Thread antonio . belloni
Hi Thomas, We are running Oracle Applications Release 11.5.8 on an RS6000 F80 with 4 procs , 8 Gb RAM and 12 x 9.1 Gb , RAID 01 , SSA disks. Both application and database are on the same machine. The database have almost 50 Gb and there are aprox. 50 concurrent users , using four modules: GL ,

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Gogala, Mladen
I'm not talking about the cost either. The way by which is getting executed is by reading the whole index. You may call it fast full scan, you may call it index skip scan, but it is still the same thing: sequential read of the whole index. In other words, the name doesn't matter. Mladen Gogala

RE: Unbreakable, my buns. Upgrade to 9.2/w2k

2003-05-29 Thread Rachel Carmichael
and I had no problem at all doing it. But it was a simple database, with no major connections or anything. Maybe because it was a dev box? Oracle didn't think it worthwhile to mess with my mind? The only thing that happened was I had to leave the migration of the database running overnight as it

RE: Oracle Performance Tuning 101 Book now Available!

2003-05-29 Thread Rachel Carmichael
Interesting, as this book has been out for over a year. Kirti Deshpande and Gaja Vaidyanatha of this list wrote it --- Johnson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO, Every DBA should own this book. It will change your way of thinking about how to approach oracle performance problems.

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Rachel Carmichael
this is the online store. If we EVER have a table with more than 100,000 rows in it, I'll faint. --- Freeman Robert - IL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trifling even if we do an FTS Until your developers develop a query next month that joins that table to the 200 million row table they are

RE: which util do I use to see oracle's execution plan?

2003-05-29 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Maryann - No problem, welcome to the list. We only ask that you make a slight effort to search for the answer first, but these are good questions that you won't quickly find as a beginner. a. Oracle provides an explain plan feature to show you how your SQL will be handled. You must create a table

RE: Oracle Performance Tuning 101 Book now Available!

2003-05-29 Thread Rachel Carmichael
this is not spam. Michael is signed up to their email listserv and passed on the information to us, as a member of this list. how does that become defined as spam? and oh by the way, Precise has NO connection to Oracle Press or any of their books --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I refuse to do

RE: Oracle Financials and IBM/AIX Platforms

2003-05-29 Thread John Kanagaraj
Tom, Can you clarify what you meant by 'just the database itself'? Fyi, there are multiple layers in Apps 11i, in which the DB is just one. If this is *entirely* only the DB (not including any part of the Concurrent Manager/other apps layers), then the comparison is as if you are hosting 'just a

RE: Unbreakable, my buns. Upgrade to 9.2/w2k

2003-05-29 Thread Koivu, Lisa
Rachel, thanks for your response. Did you use the gui? -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L and I had no problem at all doing it. But it was a simple database, with no major connections or anything. Maybe because it was a

RE: Oracle Financials and IBM/AIX Platforms

2003-05-29 Thread April Wells
Title: RE: Oracle Financials and IBM/AIX Platforms He's right, Thomas. We have our middle tier and our Concurrent managers (don't ask) on Win 2K... but our database is on AIX.. and I REALLY wish the rest were too. 50 -80 gig allocated should be fine for the databae layer plus 100 M+- for

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Gogala, Mladen
I don't think that fainting is in order when you get stinking rich. If you get more then 100,000 rows in the table, that means that your company is doing very, very well and that your stock options and your bonuses will make it possible you to retire to a cosy little place near the Waikiki Beach.

Search engine

2003-05-29 Thread Tammy Jordan
Could someone give me some information or lead on how I can create a search engine for usernames. I am running an 8.1.7.4 database and also 9ias for my web application. I have received some info such as to create the code in ColdFusion and link up to the database with ODBC. Does anyone have any

RE: RE: Which method is more efficient

2003-05-29 Thread Orr, Steve
Title: RE: RE: Which method is more efficient And with CTAS you can specify nologging to minimize redo generation. "Cloning" a table, renaming/dropping the source, and renaming the clone to the production table could be interesting. You would have to recreate indexes. -Original

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Khedr, Waleed
Not true, try this: create table test_skip1 ( c1 number,c2 number, primary key (c1,c2)); begin for i in 1..10 loop insert into test_skip1 values (1,i); insert into test_skip1 values (2,i); end loop; end; alter session set sql_trace = true; select --+ index_ss(test_skip1, ) c1,c2

RE: Bulk collect got truncated?

2003-05-29 Thread Gorbounov,Vadim
Mark, No chance I'm running out of memory. I checked max PGA for the session, it was around 26M after successful execution, what is not something completely unbareable, and didn't climb up after next executions. We can probably workaround this issue, thanks for suggestion. Regards Vadim

RE: index-organized table question

2003-05-29 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Roy - This could be a good IOT candidate, but I haven't used them myself. My suggestion would be to test it. Here is a good paper on how to decide: http://www.peled.com/white_papers/iot.pdf A more recent edition is available on http://www.orapub.com (free but must register) Dennis Williams DBA,

RE: Search engine

2003-05-29 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Tammy - For a small amount of searching, take a look at function-based indexes (you just said usernames). - You can also create your own method with PL/SQL pretty easily. Strip individual words into a separate table that can be easily searched. - For heavy-duty searching, look at Oracle

RE: Oracle Financials and IBM/AIX Platforms

2003-05-29 Thread John Kanagaraj
Tom, As one who 'transitioned' from a 'normal' DBA (if there ever was a 'normal!) to an 'Apps DBA', I went through a self-learning path (as did many others in this list), and tried to capture this transformation in an article. It is housed at http://www.geocities.com/john_sharmila/links.htm -

RE: Oracle Performance Tuning 101 Book now Available!

2003-05-29 Thread Johnson, Michael
Charlie, I am not a spammer I am a struggling DBA trying to find answers just like you. I was mired in Hit Ratios for the longest time scratching my head trying to figure it all out ... lost in the clouds with no way out so to speak. In the end , it got me no where. I met this

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Gogala, Mladen
OK. I don't have the 9i instance that I can use for testing right now, but tonight, at home, I'll give you the counter example. The bottom line is that the only way to execute a skip scan with a B*Tree index is to go and read it whole. No other way. Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Rachel Carmichael
what is this thing you call stock options? My company is already very rich (Sony) and they don't seem to be passing any of it along to me :( and it'll be upstate NY or somewhere cold(ish) rather than Waikiki Beach, I can assure you! --- Gogala, Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think that

RE: skip scan index

2003-05-29 Thread Hengen, Brian
You'd see it in the explain plan -- it should look something like this: TABLE ACCESS (BY INDEX ROWID) OF 'PHONEBOOK' INDEX (SKIP SCAN) OF 'I_PHONEBOOK_SKIP' (NON-UNIQUE) --Brian -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list

RE: SAP Hands SAP DB over to MySQL

2003-05-29 Thread Jared . Still
I dunno. Though both want to make a profit ( and rightly so ) SAP doesn't seem to have the same mercenary mentality that MS has. Jared Orr, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/28/2003 11:52 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list

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