RE: [OT] Photography galley

[Ken Schaefer]

Flikr

Or

https://www.tomsguide.com/best-picks/best-photography-sites


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  On Behalf 
Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Saturday, 12 February 2022 7:24 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: [OT] Photography galley

Folks, my neighbour is a retired photographer who wants to publish the history 
of his work for public viewing. I get the impression it's not for profit, but 
for family and public interest.

I suggested that Facebook has a photo gallery feature with categories which is 
ideal for this sort of thing, but he said that Facebook is full of rubbish and 
he doesn't use it much, and it's UI is confusing (my translation of his words). 
He might be dead-right there, but for suburban users I think it still might be 
a good option for publishing photo galleries.

Maybe there are better options for this sort of free "photo gallery" publishing 
for non-technical people. My wife said there are U3A groups who might help with 
this sort of thing, but it's a bit off my horizon.

Any oblique suggestions?

Cheers, Greg

RE: Azure API Management documentation

[Ken Schaefer]

I'm not sure that $39/month or $5/month is "enterprise sized wallets" - I 
suspect most of us here cost that in an hour, let alone a month.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  On Behalf 
Of Stephen Price
Sent: Monday, 20 April 2020 4:12 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: Azure API Management documentation

This is something that annoys me about Azure and its various plans. Discovering 
things missing that should be there or worse, were there but then go away.
Rather than support everything at all levels, they add things that only work at 
higher paid tiers. Its even worse when you start dealing with MSDN 
subscriptions versus paid subscriptions. I found some regions could not deploy 
particular types of products (ie Azure database), despite me having old 
instances of said products already in that region. ie they change things and 
add more restrictions. I'm sure they also remove them. I'm sure there are often 
technical reasons (ie some Data Centers are missing required things to support 
products, but having things disappear from the supported list is annoying).

I think they need to make some smaller instances etc that sit between the free 
stuff and the smallest paid option. For example a website on Azure can be free 
or it can be $39 a month. What about a dotnet core app that could be hosted on 
a linux vm for $5 a month? Last I looked there was no way to run a website for 
$5 a month on Azure unless you do it yourself on a linux vm.

We're not all building websites with enterprise sized wallets.



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>> on behalf 
of Greg Keogh mailto:gfke...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, 20 April 2020 12:32 PM
To: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Re: Azure API Management documentation

I have more information. After stumbling around and around the web Portal 
looking for anything related to documentation I noticed a Developer portal 
icon. The help indicates that this is the magic place where API documentation 
is managed, but clicking the Publish button does nothing. 15 minutes later I 
discover that the feature is not available on the consumption plan I chose.

The Basic production plan is ~$200/month which WAY beyond our tolerance levels. 
Our API usage is so low that the consumption plan would have been ideal, but in 
a Catch-22 there is documentation available.

Now I'll just delete the APIM feature and forget it.

GK

RE: [OT] Fines Victoria crisis deepens

[Ken Schaefer]

This works for building a bridge, when you have “firm foundations” on which to 
build upon aka what are the immovable requirements and constraints. Many 
infrastructure projects run into the same problems as IT projects - overruns 
due to changing requirements, or a lack of due diligence re requirements.

At the same time, analysis has its own costs – the cost of employing people to 
keep examining details, and the opportunity cost of forgone benefits deferred.

What I see a lot of in these messages is casting blame onto other people (e.g. 
PMs in this case). Most PMs work within broader enterprise constraints (like 
confidence around cost/time/effort, in order to get funding approved). SMEs 
need to play their part in ensuring that the right level of information goes to 
PMs, in the broader context of “getting stuff done”

Regards
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  On Behalf 
Of g...@greglow.com
Sent: Monday, 28 October 2019 9:20 AM
To: 'ozDotNet' 
Subject: RE: [OT] Fines Victoria crisis deepens

I think one of the biggest issues is that so many project managers still think 
you can plan IT projects like you plan building a bridge. The difference with a 
bridge is that you can specify what’s needed, and it’s unlikely to change 
before you finish building the bridge.

Unfortunately though, that’s also how the people funding it look at it. They 
want to know what it will cost before they start.

Somehow, we have to get project planning to match reality. At present, when 
there are variations from the plan, that’s seen as a problem, and seen as 
unexpected. But the reality is that it’s totally expected. The problem was the 
idea that bridge-style planning is appropriate.

Regards,

Greg

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From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>> On Behalf 
Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2019 9:38 PM
To: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: RE: [OT] Fines Victoria crisis deepens

Depends on how your measure success.

By the typical bottom-line, most projects aren’t “successes”. However, lots of 
organisations have:

  1.  Arbitrary limits on how much contingency can be included – which then 
doesn’t reflect the true level of uncertainty in the project
  2.  Requirements change
  3.  Vendors, systems integrators etc. go bust, change direction or 
what-have-you
  4.  Your project competes with everyone else’s for scarce capital, so 
everyone has an incentive to downplay cost, and upsell benefits
  5.  Technological cost estimates can be done relatively accurately, but 
large-scale projects include significant organisational change which is much 
harder to estimate/cost up-front.

By my guess, about 15-20% of large IT projects ($50-100m+) are successful. 
Maybe 20-30% are real failures. Everything else is in a bit of a grey area 
where they are failures based on initial cost/time/features criteria, but might 
have been successful if business cases were allowed to be more realistic.

Regards,
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>> On Behalf 
Of g...@greglow.com<mailto:g...@greglow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 23 October 2019 2:25 PM
To: 'ozDotNet' mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: RE: [OT] Fines Victoria crisis deepens

Not sure about that. I endlessly hear that the success ratio for large IT 
projects is around 30%, not up around 70 or 80%.

It’s quite appalling really.

Regards,

Greg

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From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotn

RE: [OT] Fines Victoria crisis deepens

[Ken Schaefer]

Depends on how your measure success.

By the typical bottom-line, most projects aren’t “successes”. However, lots of 
organisations have:

  1.  Arbitrary limits on how much contingency can be included – which then 
doesn’t reflect the true level of uncertainty in the project
  2.  Requirements change
  3.  Vendors, systems integrators etc. go bust, change direction or 
what-have-you
  4.  Your project competes with everyone else’s for scarce capital, so 
everyone has an incentive to downplay cost, and upsell benefits
  5.  Technological cost estimates can be done relatively accurately, but 
large-scale projects include significant organisational change which is much 
harder to estimate/cost up-front.

By my guess, about 15-20% of large IT projects ($50-100m+) are successful. 
Maybe 20-30% are real failures. Everything else is in a bit of a grey area 
where they are failures based on initial cost/time/features criteria, but might 
have been successful if business cases were allowed to be more realistic.

Regards,
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  On Behalf 
Of g...@greglow.com
Sent: Wednesday, 23 October 2019 2:25 PM
To: 'ozDotNet' 
Subject: RE: [OT] Fines Victoria crisis deepens

Not sure about that. I endlessly hear that the success ratio for large IT 
projects is around 30%, not up around 70 or 80%.

It’s quite appalling really.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: 
www.sqldownunder.com
 
|http://greglow.me

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>> On Behalf 
Of mike smith
Sent: Wednesday, 23 October 2019 12:45 PM
To: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Re: [OT] Fines Victoria crisis deepens

Success stories don't seem to make it into MSM.  pity, because you'd think 
there's more successful outcomes than failures

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 12:24 Greg Keogh 
mailto:gfke...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Interesting front page article in The Age newspaper 
today
 about a Victorian government IT disaster. IT disasters are routine (I'm sure 
we've all caused a few!) but it's interesting that they actually name the 
software as VIEW from a company called Civica. The article is a bit vague about 
what's actually wrong, it just says "[it] doesn't work", "the system was 
absolute chaos" and systems are not "talking to" their computers. Does anyone 
have inside gossip about what really happened?

There was another vast IT disaster a few years ago related to the education 
system I think, where dodgy contracts were being awarded to mates, and I think 
the loss ran into the hundreds of millions. That story vanished from the news 
and I never found out what happened.

Greg K

RE: Friendly URL for intranet apps

[Ken Schaefer]

You do this in DNS

You’d have records for:
ServerA -> IP address
ServerB -> IP address
Already, so that browsers can find ServerA and ServerB.

In the same DNS zone (if you are using AD at work, then you already most likely 
have Microsoft DNS running to support that AD domain), create a CNAME record 
that points “myapp” -> A record for ServerA or ServerB.
CNAME is effectively an alias record that points to another record

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  On Behalf 
Of Tom P
Sent: Friday, 20 September 2019 3:05 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Friendly URL for intranet apps

Hi folks

I’m moving an intranet app from an old server to a new server. Currently the 
users access the site with a URL like http://serverA/appName/.

The issue is now that I’m moving the app the server name in the URL will change 
to http://serverB/appName.

All the users are forced to update their bookmarks which is a bit lame in my 
view.

I’m sure this isn’t a new issue. What is a good way to handle this?

Would be good to have a URL like http://myapp.mydomain.com.au but where would 
this be set up? In IIS somewhere? DNS entry? How and where to set it up?

Cheers
--
Thanks
Tom

RE: NUC

[Ken Schaefer]

I have an Intel NUC for my media centre PC. Similar footprint to an Mac Mini, 
but more flexible in terms of ports/access etc.

When I last replaced my desktop, I bought an Alienware Alpha R2 (which I don’t 
think you can buy anymore). It was just that much bigger and more flexible 
(proper GPU, bigger fans), which still being compact.



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  On Behalf 
Of Grant Maw
Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2019 12:53 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: NUC

It's time for a new dev PC. Someone drew my attention to Intel's NUC recently, 
and was wondering if anyone had any positive or negative experiences with these?

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/docs/boards-kits/nuc/mini-pcs/business.html

Thanks

RE: [OT] Server 2008 R2 to 2019

[Ken Schaefer]

You need to upgrade to 2012 R2 or 2016 first. Then you can upgrade to 2019. 
Everything can happen “in-place”. Do a Windows System Backup beforehand (e.g. 
to a USB drive) if you’re worried about it all dying in the middle.
Make sure that your hardware is supported under 2019 – 99% is.

Regards
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  On Behalf 
Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Thursday, 27 December 2018 6:08 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: [OT] Server 2008 R2 to 2019

Hi folks (quiet in here lately... where is all the .NET chatter these days?)

My home office LAN has a Windows 2008 R2 server running on a real box. It only 
does two things:

1. It's the domain controller.
2. It runs my 2008 R2 web server inside Hyper-V.

I'd like to update the 2008 R2 DC to 2019, just so I have the latest for 
testing and learning. However I have never before upgraded or replaced a DC and 
I'm not sure what the easiest path is. I could just wipe and install 2019 and 
set the DC feature, but all the AD tree of computers and users would be gone 
and all the authentication and ACLs all over the LAN would be cactus (I think).

Is there some ay of upgrading my DC with the least suffering? Any general 
advice would be most welcome.

Cheers,
Greg

P.S. I must be marginal, as Santa just gave me socks, undies and Bunnings 
vouchers … nothing IT related. Anyone get any good tech?

RE: [Off Topic] Generic system vulnerabilities testing tool – Open ports etc

[Ken Schaefer]

Question: why does the client think that continuous scanning of a production 
system is required to identify “application data entry fields that do not have 
validation”? I would have thought a better place to detect this would be during 
development? Or does the client fear that this could happen at any time?

A VMS (vulnerability management system) is typically used to do the continuous 
scanning. That can look for issues like SQL injection, but typically is used to 
identify patches that are missing, insecure configuration, vulnerable third 
party libraries etc – typically the things you depend on, but which might be 
outside your developers’ control.

Lots of other tools out there that hook into earlier phases of development 
though; SAST / DAST would be what you’d be looking at typically. Static 
Application Security Testing (SAST) typically does source code analysis 
throughout the development lifecycle. DAST treats your app as “black box” 
typically, but can validate things like SQL injection vulnerabilities before 
something gets to Prod…

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  On Behalf 
Of Greg Harris
Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2018 12:55 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: [Off Topic] Generic system vulnerabilities testing tool – Open ports 
etc

Hi All,

My client is looking for a tool (they are willing to pay for it) that will warn 
them of potential exposures on a production system.
I think that we may be looking for multiple tools here, because the 
requirements are wide…
He has asked for something that runs in the background continually scanning the 
system for vulnerabilities so that if something gets opened up we know about it 
fairly quickly.  Looking for things like open network ports, SQL injection 
attack possibilities, application data entry fields that do not have validation 
/ verification.
Looking at 
https://cwatch.comodo.com/blog/website-security/top-10-vulnerability-assessment-scanning-tools/,
 
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/solutionbase-take-advantage-of-vulnerability-scanning-tools-to-increase-network-security/
 and https://www.comparitech.com/net-admin/free-network-vulnerability-scanners/
There are a lot of tools out there.
This is an area I where I have little experience, so if anybody has experience 
and can provide some advice I would be very grateful.
Thanks in advance
Greg H


Greg Harris

harris.gre...@gmail.com

phone: 0407 942 982

Baulkham Hills
NSW 2153

RE: Internet access from development machines [OT]

[Ken Schaefer]

Any tool can be badly implement. Poor source control could be just as much a 
productivity drain poor change management, as much as poor security 
restrictions.


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Low
Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2018 1:18 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: RE: Internet access from development machines [OT]

My concern, is that in several sites, what I now see is frustrated people who 
can't get their work done, at least not efficiently.

Mind you, one of the sites was also worried about power. They have all the 
developer machines running in a lower-power mode. Uses less electricity but 
builds now take twice as long, etc. (And for this app, that's a long time). Yet 
they're discussing how to increase developer productivity.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com<http://www.sqldownunder.com/> 
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From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On 
Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2018 10:11 AM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: RE: Internet access from development machines [OT]

Tools like CyberArk exist for a good reason. And they can sometimes be 
beneficial. Our platform admins only need to have a single account now – to 
login to CyberArk. Before they used to have numerous privileged accounts to 
login to all sorts of systems, and needed to remember and cycle passwords 
across all of them. Deprovisioning or altering access when people moved roles 
or left was a PITA.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Low
Sent: Wednesday, 17 January 2018 8:18 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: RE: Internet access from development machines [OT]

Or even if they are connected, you could endlessly block them from getting to 
what they need anyway:

http://blog.greglow.com/2018/01/09/opinion-treat-staff-like-adults/

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com<http://www.sqldownunder.com/> 
|http://greglow.me<http://greglow.me/>

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On 
Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk
Sent: Wednesday, 17 January 2018 7:38 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Re: Internet access from development machines [OT]

This sounds like a decision upper management would make with no idea how 
developers work. It is a great idea if you need to make some layoffs and want 
developers to quit.

Craig

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 6:18 PM, David Apelt 
<david.ap...@transmax.com.au<mailto:david.ap...@transmax.com.au>> wrote:
Team,

I have heard of suggestions that internet connectivity should be prevented from 
developer machines in case a security issue causes a leak of source code or 
similar.

I know some defence companies have two computers on the desktop to prevent this 
from happening.

Outside of defence, what are peoples experiences?  Give developers internet 
connectivity?  Have two machines?  Maybe give them a remote desktop connection 
from internet.   How many developers in your company that have internet 
connectivity?

Thanks in advance
Dave A

RE: Internet access from development machines [OT]

[Ken Schaefer]

Tools like CyberArk exist for a good reason. And they can sometimes be 
beneficial. Our platform admins only need to have a single account now – to 
login to CyberArk. Before they used to have numerous privileged accounts to 
login to all sorts of systems, and needed to remember and cycle passwords 
across all of them. Deprovisioning or altering access when people moved roles 
or left was a PITA.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Low
Sent: Wednesday, 17 January 2018 8:18 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: RE: Internet access from development machines [OT]

Or even if they are connected, you could endlessly block them from getting to 
what they need anyway:

http://blog.greglow.com/2018/01/09/opinion-treat-staff-like-adults/

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com 
|http://greglow.me

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk
Sent: Wednesday, 17 January 2018 7:38 PM
To: ozDotNet >
Subject: Re: Internet access from development machines [OT]

This sounds like a decision upper management would make with no idea how 
developers work. It is a great idea if you need to make some layoffs and want 
developers to quit.

Craig

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 6:18 PM, David Apelt 
> wrote:
Team,

I have heard of suggestions that internet connectivity should be prevented from 
developer machines in case a security issue causes a leak of source code or 
similar.

I know some defence companies have two computers on the desktop to prevent this 
from happening.

Outside of defence, what are peoples experiences?  Give developers internet 
connectivity?  Have two machines?  Maybe give them a remote desktop connection 
from internet.   How many developers in your company that have internet 
connectivity?

Thanks in advance
Dave A

RE: Internet access from development machines [OT]

[Ken Schaefer]

There’s an endless amount of things that “could go wrong”, and no possible 
limit on the amount of money you could spend trying to mitigate these things.

Security is about managing the trade-offs between “getting things done” and 
“risk”.

Is leaking source code the biggest risk you currently face? Maybe it is, maybe 
it isn’t…I don’t know.


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Apelt
Sent: Wednesday, 17 January 2018 6:18 PM
To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: Internet access from development machines [OT]

Team,

I have heard of suggestions that internet connectivity should be prevented from 
developer machines in case a security issue causes a leak of source code or 
similar.

I know some defence companies have two computers on the desktop to prevent this 
from happening.

Outside of defence, what are peoples experiences?  Give developers internet 
connectivity?  Have two machines?  Maybe give them a remote desktop connection 
from internet.   How many developers in your company that have internet 
connectivity?

Thanks in advance
Dave A

RE: [OT] Internet use on 4G LTE

[Ken Schaefer]

Without a script, you could just open the Windows Firewall control panel, and 
under “outbound rules” just Select All -> Disable.

Though re-enabling would be a bit of a pain unless you knew which ones you 
wanted, so sorting by Status first might be useful 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Wood
Sent: Monday, 8 January 2018 5:30 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: [OT] Internet use on 4G LTE

Hi Tony, All,

I used to have a script on a mac to enable/disable EVERY piece of traffic on my 
computers firewall that wasn't just chrome - I can find it if anyone wants a 
copy.

So at a place like Thailand you could run it before you connected and only 
chrome(or other browser) was allowed in/out.

I just had a look about for a windows PowerShell one but couldn't find an 
equivalent. This might help in the future if you had a list of allowed 
programs/ports to stop all the background chatter.

There are probably apps out there but i think I would rather know exactly what 
is running to stop/allow items




Greg Wood
e: g...@woodgreg.com
t: +61417044439


On 4 January 2018 at 01:36, Tony Wright 
> wrote:
Hi guys,

On holiday at the moment in Thailand, and I purchased 4GB of data on a local 
mobile network for the princely sum of A$6. I managed to use the entire amount 
in about 2 hours and I can't figure out how, because I was mostly just browsing 
the web.

I took a look at the logs and it shows:
03/01/2018

17:49:53

internet

AIS

7

0.00

03/01/2018

17:50:53

internet

AIS

1,615,783

0.00


So in about 1 minute, it apparently managed to download 1.6GB of data. So my 
first thought was, perhaps windows update downloaded some data, or onedrive 
perhaps (although I haven't put anything on onedrive lately.)

Either way, 1.6GB of data is extraordinarily high. So I think I have to call BS.

My understanding is that the top speed of 4G LTE is 50Mbps, so the minimum time 
in perfect conditions to download that amount of data would be 4 minutes, and 
in usual conditions, it would probably take about 20 minutes.

Just hoping someone can confirm it for me before I potentially go and embarrass 
myself.

Do I have it right?

Kind regards,
Tony

RE: [OT] Internet use on 4G LTE

[Ken Schaefer]

Are you being deliberately obtuse? In 2011 (per you link), NBN was going to be 
fibre-to-the-premise. There was no technical need to buy any HFC or copper, and 
as you say, compensation was for destroying an existing business model.

But the world moved on. As per the links I posted, we’re (whether it be 
customers, or future taxpayers) are now paying for a decision to acquire the 
Optus and Telstra HFC networks. A decision, in hindsight, probably wasn’t 
commercially (it was never really technically) smart



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Connors
Sent: Friday, 5 January 2018 3:01 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] Internet use on 4G LTE

On Fri, 5 Jan 2018 at 13:52 Ken Schaefer 
<k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
And:
3. Handing over ownership of the copper and HFC where NBN wanted to use them.

In the original definitive agreement Telstra specifically held the HFC assets 
for Foxtel but were prohibited from delivering broadband over them. I don't 
know that they gave a toss about the CAN.

https://www.telstra.com.au/content/dam/tcom/about-us/investors/pdf%20A/Explanatory-Memorandum.pdf

"Telstra will continue to retain and operate its Next G®
wireless network, Next IP™ core fibre network, backhaul
fibre network and HFC Cable Network (for delivery of
Pay TV Services). Telstra will also retain and operate its
Copper Network and will continue to provide broadband
services over its HFC Cable Network as relevant outside
areas where the NBN Fibre Network has been deployed.
Telstra will also retain ownership of the infrastructure
accessed by NBN Co (except for Lead-in Conduits)."

and ...

"The $11 billion in post-tax net present value comprises approximately:
- $4.0 billion from NBN Co for Disconnection Payments and sale of Lead-in 
Conduits; <-- That's payment for transition of users off their wholesale 
network, paid as they are churned to NBN.
- $5.0 billion from NBN Co for Infrastructure Access Payments; and
- $2.0 billion attributed to Commonwealth contributions and costs avoided 
including for housing estate fibre provisioning responsibilities, commitments 
for TUSMA funding for certain migration costs, staff retraining and NBN Co’s 
public education campaign funding.  "


--
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https://t.me/davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363

RE: [OT] Internet use on 4G LTE

[Ken Schaefer]

And:
3. Handing over ownership of the copper and HFC where NBN wanted to use them.

At least that’s how every news story I’ve read described the agreements:
https://www.itnews.com.au/news/telstra-hands-over-copper-hfc-in-new-11bn-nbn-deal-398793
https://www.arnnet.com.au/article/562467/nbn-co-buy-telstra-optus-cables/
etc.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Connors
Sent: Friday, 5 January 2018 2:33 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] Internet use on 4G LTE

On Fri, 5 Jan 2018 at 12:03 Ken Schaefer 
<k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
If so, it seems very much like compensation for the physical infrastructure. 
The Telstra and Optus could have kept their user base (and associated value 
derived from that) on the new physical platform.

For Telstra it was compensation for:
1. Losing all wholesale revenue.
2. Providing a commitment to churn all of its customers to NBN.

Not that they had any choice in the matter given that Conroy had a gun to 
Telstra's head saying he would prohibit them from bidding on any further 
spectrum of they didn't sign a definitive agreement.

David.

RE: [OT] Internet use on 4G LTE

[Ken Schaefer]

All the other ISPs that have user bases, but no physical infrastructure, didn’t 
get compensated for their “user base” did they? Only those ISPs that had 
physical copper or HFC networks?

If so, it seems very much like compensation for the physical infrastructure. 
The Telstra and Optus could have kept their user base (and associated value 
derived from that) on the new physical platform.


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Connors
Sent: Friday, 5 January 2018 12:27 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: [OT] Internet use on 4G LTE

On Fri, 5 Jan 2018 at 10:53 Tony Wright 
> wrote:
So what did they pay for?

Compensation for what was effectively a compulsory acquisition of their user 
bases.

That price paid saw all of the existing HFC/CAN infrastructure thrown out at $0 
value. Once they opted to use these assets no additional money changed hands.

David.




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https://t.me/davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363

RE: [OT] Internet use on 4G LTE

[Ken Schaefer]

The HFC acquisitions were a stupid commercial decision, given the technical 
limitations of the product.

CVC is a commercial construct, not a technical limitation. It can be changed on 
a whim, without affecting the ability of underlying infrastructure to deliver 
capability.

When the original copper telephony was rolled out (late 19th century(, did 
anyone try to figure out what the future benefit would be? Did they anticipate 
email, the Web, Google, etc. etc? I doubt it. But it’s a very old network 
that’s delivered in spades since. But like $100 Lamb Roasts caused by the 
“great big carbon tax”, your backyard at risk because of Mabo & Wik, and so on, 
we didn’t learn from the past. Instead we are subject to the prevailing 
political verisimilitudes of our political leaders of the day. Unfortunately 
one of those happened to be a wrecker rather than a builder.


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Connors
Sent: Thursday, 4 January 2018 10:03 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: [OT] Internet use on 4G LTE

On Thu., 4 Jan. 2018, 8:34 pm Tony Wright, 
> wrote:
CVC is recoverable.

You are correct ... It most certainly is.

As for another decision impaired choice, the purchase of two cable networks 
that are not fit for purpose, how much did that cost taxpayers?

The price to acquire to use was the same price as aquire to not use.

We're not talking about mobile any more are we?

David.

RE: Using Azure blob storage for static web sites

[Ken Schaefer]

This isn’t a DNS redirect.

It is either a HTTP based redirect, or it is using a HTML frame/iframe.

DNS doesn’t do redirects – at most it does aliases (CNAME records -> A records)

Cheers
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Low
Sent: Monday, 18 December 2017 10:52 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: RE: Using Azure blob storage for static web sites

Actually, even more to the point, I just redirected 
http://kirsten.sqldownunder.com to an html file in an azure storage account:

[cid:image001.png@01D377FC.9B681570]

When I access it, the web page comes up.

[cid:image002.png@01D377FC.9B681570]

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com 
|http://greglow.me

From: Greg Low [mailto:g...@greglow.com]
Sent: Monday, 18 December 2017 10:47 AM
To: 'ozDotNet' >
Subject: RE: Using Azure blob storage for static web sites

I just created http://kirstentest.sqldownunder.com pointing to 
https://sqldownunder.com/SQLDownUnderMP3Feed.xml

[cid:image003.png@01D377FC.9B681570]

Seems to work fine. If you access it, our MP3 feed comes back.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com 
|http://greglow.me

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of kirsten greed
Sent: Monday, 18 December 2017 10:39 AM
To: ozDotNet >
Subject: Re: Using Azure blob storage for static web sites

Hi Greg
I am out of my depth, but it doesn't seem possible, looking at eudoxos answer.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9444055/using-dns-to-redirect-to-another-url-with-a-path?rq=1
Kirsten

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Greg Low 
> wrote:
Would an HTTP redirect at the DNS level fix that for you?

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 
mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com 
|http://greglow.me

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of kirsten greed
Sent: Monday, 18 December 2017 9:23 AM
To: ozDotNet >
Subject: Using Azure blob storage for static web sites

Hi folks

I am investigating using Azure blob storage and CDN to host a static website 
with a contact form because this provides low cost hosting and ssl.

I have managed to get the site working but with the following limitations

1) I am yet to map the domain directly to an blob.
ie the user has to go to https://www.mydomain.com/index.html  not 
https://www.mydomain.com

I gather Microsoft plan to fix this this year

https://feedback.azure.com/forums/217298-storage/suggestions/6417741-static-website-hosting-in-azure-blob-storage

I have googled some workarounds involving Azure Functions or CDN Rewrite rules 
but am yet to try.


2) How to do a Contact form that emails me on submit.

I have seen some advice at 
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9533172/adding-contact-form-to-a-static-website

I am wanting some advice on how to proceed.  I don't mind a bit of a learning 
curve as long as the learning is not going to be redundant in 6 months time.

Maybe I should just do a web app with Cloudflare for ssl ( which I have done 
before)  and wait.

Thoughts and experiences?
Kirsten

RE: [OT] Big Windows 10 update

[Ken Schaefer]

You might want to bookmark this link (note, the dates are displayed in US 
format). Expect a major update every ~6 months if you are on Current Branch. If 
you have access to installed Enterprise Edition, you can move to Long Term 
Servicing Branch, which means you only get major updates every 2-3 years (like 
deploying a new OS version like you used to do)

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-au/windows/release-info

The updates from 1511 -> 1607 -> 1703 -> 1709 are these “big updates” that you 
are seeing.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2017 3:23 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: [OT] Big Windows 10 update

Folks, I didn't know it was coming, but I accepted a big Windows 10 update last 
night. An unfamiliar large blue notification tray window warned me it was a 
major update that would take a while. So I went and talked to the cats while it 
updated.

Well, this is a big update. User profiles seem to be recreated on first login. 
Wallpaper went black. All The crappy Universal apps I removed came back, 
including new ones like "Mixed Reality" that you can't get rid of, even using 
PowerShell as real Admin. All file-open dialogs changed size. The Start menu 
was full of dozens of repeated "NoUIEntryPoints-DesignMode" items and other app 
menus that were never seen before. Registry adjustments to take stupid nodes 
out of the Windows Explorer tree were undone. New icons appeared in the tray by 
default (but could be hidden). And other little things as well... I spent over 
an hour trying to clean all the "garbage" out again.

Overall, I'm quite pissed off. Every major Windows update seems to take more 
and more control away from me, and I'm being told what I should use and like (I 
can use a Mac if want that!).

So just a warning.

Greg K

RE: Creating a browser-based product

[Ken Schaefer]

Well, I guess from VMWare’s PoV – they weren’t consulted or involved, have no 
idea how the thing was built, so why would you commit to supporting or 
certifying it?

On the other hand, there’s various other parties that involved VMWare formally, 
and their platforms are certified – AWS and IBM spring to mind:
https://cloud.vmware.com/vmc-aws
https://www.ibm.com/cloud/vmware


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Friday, 24 November 2017 8:59 AM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: Creating a browser-based product

https://www.itnews.com.au/news/microsofts-vmware-azure-stack-neither-certified-nor-supported-478352?eid=1=20171124_source=20171124_AM_medium=newsletter_campaign=daily_newsletter

But yeah, VMware would say that, I guess.

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 5:12 PM, David Connors 
<da...@connors.com<mailto:da...@connors.com>> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 at 12:43 Ken Schaefer 
<k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
I haven’t seen the latest list, but my current (and previous two) employer was 
on the list a couple of years ago. And whilst we can probably get hardware 
pretty cheap, that’s not the bulk of the cost of running something on-premise. 
Talking about hardware costs is talking about the wrong thing. I’m not saying 
that cloud is cheaper (it probably isn’t), but it gives you agility and 
flexibility, and time-is-money.

Correct; and I have come to be 180 degree opposed to where I was on cloud 5-6 
years ago.

It is very easy for the anti-cloud people to point to a piece of tin and say 
'that hardware was $400K and it lasts us 3-4 years'. It is much harder to point 
to all of the operational staff costs, downtime from hardware not being run 
properly, full suites of ops software that are just built into cloud solutions.

I could stand you up a global data centre in Azure with BGP routing and all the 
active fail over DR you want in a couple of hours. Try doing that with tin and 
wan service providers.

The article says:
"First and foremost, Fortune 500-size corporations that can’t negotiate pricing 
for servers and storage comparable to what Amazon and Microsoft pay for the 
gear they use to run AWS and Azure just aren’t trying very hard. They have 
access to the same technology management tools, practices, and talent, too."

Which is just bullshit for IaaS and REALLY bullshit for PaaS solutions like 
Azure SQL Database.

--
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da...@connors.com<mailto:da...@connors.com> | @davidconnors | 
https://t.me/davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363

RE: Creating a browser-based product

[Ken Schaefer]

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Harris
Sent: Wednesday, 22 November 2017 3:44 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: Creating a browser-based product

Plugins like Silverlight and Flash made web apps open to using a lot more of 
the client machine’s resources to provide an interactive experience.  But, the 
industry has not supported these plugins for some reason I fail to fully 
understand.
Because Adobe Flash was more bugs than actual working code? The cost of 
supporting Flash made it unappealing to people who pay the bills?
If we cannot use Silverlight or Flash and fat clients are too hard / expensive 
to install, you are back to the dumb terminal browser plus Javascript again.
Yes, and no. There’s offline storage, and some execution, that can be offloaded 
to browsers.
Look at compute intensive apps like 3D modelling or video editing, they could 
never be done properly with today’s browser technology!
Nothing is binary. At some point, the benefit of running a thick client native 
app is greater than the cost of maintaining it.
But those use cases seem to be shrinking year-on-year.
Or maybe even a win forms app, because it is fast, I have 100% control and it 
is not really that hard to install!
The technical cost of your one app isn’t that much. But the total cost of 
supporting a desktop does not increase linearly with the number of apps. It 
increases exponentially, and thus doesn’t scale.

RE: Creating a browser-based product

[Ken Schaefer]

I think people have been looking to make deployment viable, and we’ve ended up 
at the best solution we’ve been able to come up with. A server delivers text to 
a pre-installed presentation/execution engine

Offline document editing: what do I need to deploy to get that working? It 
works within the existing client I already have, doesn’t it?



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Low
Sent: Wednesday, 22 November 2017 1:35 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: RE: Creating a browser-based product

Lots of people tried to fix deployment of thick client apps, but the 
dependencies of those were such a mess. In fact, I’d largely blame Microsoft 
for that. Breaking out DLLs separately, having them initially identified only 
by name (even across versions), and then putting them in the same folder. What 
could possibly go wrong with that?

It’s not that it’s just deployment. Couldn’t we have come up with an app 
building strategy where deployment was easy? I’m not suggesting making 
deployment of the existing ones easy. I’m saying designing for ease of 
deployment.

And if Google was 100% happy with email in the browser, they wouldn’t have 
responded by adding offline editing of the documents (which is just another 
form of thick client).

Regards,

Greg


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On 
Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Wednesday, 22 November 2017 1:28 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: RE: Creating a browser-based product

Deployment is part of TCO, and the TCO sucks when you have lots and lots of 
thick client apps. And you can’t just say “that’s deployment” – lots of people 
have tried to solve the deployment problem, and no one has.

Web-based isn’t driven by “IT sick of deploying apps” – web based is driven by 
the people who pay the bills.
Whether that be the buyer, or the producer.  Google sees no value in writing a 
thick-client email client, and CIOs see Gmail as working just fine without one.


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Low
Sent: Tuesday, 21 November 2017 7:26 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Re: Creating a browser-based product

Again all of that is largely about deployment Ken. Yes thick client apps were a 
pain in the neck to test and deploy. But surely we could have improved the dev 
experience even further, while building something trivial to deploy. Web apps 
were largely driven by IT admin folk who were sick of trying to test and deploy 
apps. But for example, if you sat a user in front of say Outlook thick client 
and the Outlook web apps, it’d be a rare person who’d choose the web version 
for the UI. And how many business apps are built better than Outlook OWA? It’s 
not great but it’s better than the web based business apps in most companies.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low
1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com<http://www.sqldownunder.com>

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 7:11 PM +1100, "Ken Schaefer" 
<k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
We used to have everything as thick-client apps. And then every time we had to 
upgrade an OS, we have to regression test, and sociability test 1000+ apps. 
That’s a huge waste of time.
Then there’s the deployment issues of pushing thousands of apps out to 
thousands/tens of thousands/hundreds of thousands of endpoints.

When you talk about building a LoB app – well, that works when you have 1, or 2 
apps. It doesn’t scale.

Instead, we’re now using a browser as a virtual OS (with hardware, networking 
etc. abstracted away to the real OS), with an application UI and some logic 
delivered as text at run-time, and the non-GUI parts centralised.

And when we look at all the possible ways of building apps, and the choices 
being made by both developers of apps, and buyers of apps, it seems the 
market’s been pretty unequivocal about the preferred method.

Why it’s not much better/faster than before, is probably down to immaturity. If 
you want an app that does something that we were able to do 20 years ago, then 
that’s trivial to implement. But what the market wants is apps to do things 
that haven’t been done before.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Low
Sent: Tuesday, 21 November 2017 5:51 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: RE: Creating a browser-based product

But when a business just wants a line of business app, are these good answers 
now? Do th

RE: Creating a browser-based product

[Ken Schaefer]

I haven’t seen the latest list, but my current (and previous two) employer was 
on the list a couple of years ago. And whilst we can probably get hardware 
pretty cheap, that’s not the bulk of the cost of running something on-premise. 
Talking about hardware costs is talking about the wrong thing. I’m not saying 
that cloud is cheaper (it probably isn’t), but it gives you agility and 
flexibility, and time-is-money.

The article also doesn’t address the rate of investment required to ensure you 
keep up-to-date with what AWS and Azure bring to the table. Figuring out what 
to buy, how to buy it, how to deploy it, and do it all in a way that makes 
commercial and technical sense is really, really hard. Doing it “at speed” is 
even harder. Doing it in context of the complexity of a Fortune 500 company is 
almost impossible to do with the skills/resources we have internally. That’s 
why we pay specialists to do it for us. Infrastructure is no different in this 
respect to many other services we buy from external specialists.


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Tuesday, 21 November 2017 10:18 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: RE: Creating a browser-based product

http://issurvivor.com/2017/11/20/opinionization-in-the-cloud/

On 21 Nov. 2017 22:15, "mike smith" 
<meski...@gmail.com<mailto:meski...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Browsers as virtual OSes, or VMs themselves as virtual environments to separate 
the applications or services?

I was reading an article suggesting that fortune 500 companies that bought 
Amazon, MS style cloud services were being lazy, and should be building their 
own.

I'll look up the link

On 21 Nov. 2017 19:11, "Ken Schaefer" 
<k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
We used to have everything as thick-client apps. And then every time we had to 
upgrade an OS, we have to regression test, and sociability test 1000+ apps. 
That’s a huge waste of time.
Then there’s the deployment issues of pushing thousands of apps out to 
thousands/tens of thousands/hundreds of thousands of endpoints.

When you talk about building a LoB app – well, that works when you have 1, or 2 
apps. It doesn’t scale.

Instead, we’re now using a browser as a virtual OS (with hardware, networking 
etc. abstracted away to the real OS), with an application UI and some logic 
delivered as text at run-time, and the non-GUI parts centralised.

And when we look at all the possible ways of building apps, and the choices 
being made by both developers of apps, and buyers of apps, it seems the 
market’s been pretty unequivocal about the preferred method.

Why it’s not much better/faster than before, is probably down to immaturity. If 
you want an app that does something that we were able to do 20 years ago, then 
that’s trivial to implement. But what the market wants is apps to do things 
that haven’t been done before.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On 
Behalf Of Greg Low
Sent: Tuesday, 21 November 2017 5:51 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: RE: Creating a browser-based product

But when a business just wants a line of business app, are these good answers 
now? Do they care if it could be used by billions of people? The odd one might 
care. Most won’t.

Won’t they be more concerned with taking 6 or 8 times longer, and costing 
proportionately more?

Not every app is at the high-end. Most aren’t.

And now I watch daily nightmares around deploying web apps too.

What exactly have we done to ourselves?

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775<tel:1300%20775%20775>) office | +61 
419201410<tel:0419%20201%20410> mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913<tel:(03)%208676%204913> 
fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com<http://www.sqldownunder.com/> 
|http://greglow.me<http://greglow.me/>


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On 
Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk
Sent: Tuesday, 21 November 2017 4:46 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Re: Creating a browser-based product

I'm not sure this is much more of an issue now than it was. Back in the day we 
had to decide between Delphi, VB, Powerbuilder, C++ among others when building 
a Windows app. And once we decided that we had to work out which third party 
libraries we wanted to use with them.

If I take an old 15 year old Delphi app I have it would take me the best part 
of a week to get it compiling again now if I had to build the dev machine from 
scratch.

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Greg Low 
<g...@greglow.com<mailto:g...@greg

RE: Creating a browser-based product

[Ken Schaefer]

Deployment is part of TCO, and the TCO sucks when you have lots and lots of 
thick client apps. And you can’t just say “that’s deployment” – lots of people 
have tried to solve the deployment problem, and no one has.

Web-based isn’t driven by “IT sick of deploying apps” – web based is driven by 
the people who pay the bills.
Whether that be the buyer, or the producer.  Google sees no value in writing a 
thick-client email client, and CIOs see Gmail as working just fine without one.


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Low
Sent: Tuesday, 21 November 2017 7:26 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: Creating a browser-based product

Again all of that is largely about deployment Ken. Yes thick client apps were a 
pain in the neck to test and deploy. But surely we could have improved the dev 
experience even further, while building something trivial to deploy. Web apps 
were largely driven by IT admin folk who were sick of trying to test and deploy 
apps. But for example, if you sat a user in front of say Outlook thick client 
and the Outlook web apps, it’d be a rare person who’d choose the web version 
for the UI. And how many business apps are built better than Outlook OWA? It’s 
not great but it’s better than the web based business apps in most companies.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low
1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com<http://www.sqldownunder.com>


On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 7:11 PM +1100, "Ken Schaefer" 
<k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
We used to have everything as thick-client apps. And then every time we had to 
upgrade an OS, we have to regression test, and sociability test 1000+ apps. 
That’s a huge waste of time.
Then there’s the deployment issues of pushing thousands of apps out to 
thousands/tens of thousands/hundreds of thousands of endpoints.

When you talk about building a LoB app – well, that works when you have 1, or 2 
apps. It doesn’t scale.

Instead, we’re now using a browser as a virtual OS (with hardware, networking 
etc. abstracted away to the real OS), with an application UI and some logic 
delivered as text at run-time, and the non-GUI parts centralised.

And when we look at all the possible ways of building apps, and the choices 
being made by both developers of apps, and buyers of apps, it seems the 
market’s been pretty unequivocal about the preferred method.

Why it’s not much better/faster than before, is probably down to immaturity. If 
you want an app that does something that we were able to do 20 years ago, then 
that’s trivial to implement. But what the market wants is apps to do things 
that haven’t been done before.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Low
Sent: Tuesday, 21 November 2017 5:51 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: RE: Creating a browser-based product

But when a business just wants a line of business app, are these good answers 
now? Do they care if it could be used by billions of people? The odd one might 
care. Most won’t.

Won’t they be more concerned with taking 6 or 8 times longer, and costing 
proportionately more?

Not every app is at the high-end. Most aren’t.

And now I watch daily nightmares around deploying web apps too.

What exactly have we done to ourselves?

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com<http://www.sqldownunder.com/> 
|http://greglow.me<http://greglow.me/>


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On 
Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk
Sent: Tuesday, 21 November 2017 4:46 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Re: Creating a browser-based product

I'm not sure this is much more of an issue now than it was. Back in the day we 
had to decide between Delphi, VB, Powerbuilder, C++ among others when building 
a Windows app. And once we decided that we had to work out which third party 
libraries we wanted to use with them.

If I take an old 15 year old Delphi app I have it would take me the best part 
of a week to get it compiling again now if I had to build the dev machine from 
scratch.

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Greg Low 
<g...@greglow.com<mailto:g...@greglow.com>> wrote:
So then we’re back to why business apps take so very long to build nowadays, 
and why no-one can seem to decide which tools to use. Either way, as an 
industry, our productivity when building apps is poor.

RE: Creating a browser-based product

[Ken Schaefer]

We used to have everything as thick-client apps. And then every time we had to 
upgrade an OS, we have to regression test, and sociability test 1000+ apps. 
That’s a huge waste of time.
Then there’s the deployment issues of pushing thousands of apps out to 
thousands/tens of thousands/hundreds of thousands of endpoints.

When you talk about building a LoB app – well, that works when you have 1, or 2 
apps. It doesn’t scale.

Instead, we’re now using a browser as a virtual OS (with hardware, networking 
etc. abstracted away to the real OS), with an application UI and some logic 
delivered as text at run-time, and the non-GUI parts centralised.

And when we look at all the possible ways of building apps, and the choices 
being made by both developers of apps, and buyers of apps, it seems the 
market’s been pretty unequivocal about the preferred method.

Why it’s not much better/faster than before, is probably down to immaturity. If 
you want an app that does something that we were able to do 20 years ago, then 
that’s trivial to implement. But what the market wants is apps to do things 
that haven’t been done before.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Low
Sent: Tuesday, 21 November 2017 5:51 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: RE: Creating a browser-based product

But when a business just wants a line of business app, are these good answers 
now? Do they care if it could be used by billions of people? The odd one might 
care. Most won’t.

Won’t they be more concerned with taking 6 or 8 times longer, and costing 
proportionately more?

Not every app is at the high-end. Most aren’t.

And now I watch daily nightmares around deploying web apps too.

What exactly have we done to ourselves?

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com 
|http://greglow.me


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk
Sent: Tuesday, 21 November 2017 4:46 PM
To: ozDotNet >
Subject: Re: Creating a browser-based product

I'm not sure this is much more of an issue now than it was. Back in the day we 
had to decide between Delphi, VB, Powerbuilder, C++ among others when building 
a Windows app. And once we decided that we had to work out which third party 
libraries we wanted to use with them.

If I take an old 15 year old Delphi app I have it would take me the best part 
of a week to get it compiling again now if I had to build the dev machine from 
scratch.

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Greg Low 
> wrote:
So then we’re back to why business apps take so very long to build nowadays, 
and why no-one can seem to decide which tools to use. Either way, as an 
industry, our productivity when building apps is poor.

RE: Web debugging problem solved

[Ken Schaefer]

There are some funny t-shirts here:
https://www.codetee.com/collections/t-shirt

I LOLed

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of grant.maw
Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2017 10:14 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: Web debugging problem solved


At a funeral, the Real Programmer is the one saying ``Poor George. And he 
almost had the sort routine working before the coronary.''

 Original message 
From: David Burstin >
Date: 30/08/2017 5:27 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: ozDotNet >
Subject: Re: Web debugging problem solved

Real programmers use butterflies.

https://xkcd.com/378/

On 30 August 2017 at 17:22, Tom Rutter 
> wrote:
Real programmers don't even program!


On Wednesday, 30 August 2017, Greg Harris 
> wrote:
Real programmers program in FORTRAN edited with TECO!

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Tom Rutter 
> wrote:
Real programmers don't use context menus or even the mouse to be fair

On Wednesday, 30 August 2017, Greg Keogh 
> wrote:
The option is also in the toolbar in the dropdown next to the "play" button 
where you choose IIS Express or whatever else.

Real programmers don't use toolbars! (but you're right, it's in the "Standard" 
bar, which I've hidden for years) -- GK

RE: [OT] Comodo EV SSL

[Ken Schaefer]

Do you have more than one site hosted on your IIS server?

If not, just remove all the Host header values – you only need an IP + Port 
binding – one for HTTP and one for HTTPS

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Wednesday, 12 July 2017 6:03 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: [OT] Comodo EV SSL

fwiw i usually redirect http to https

I had another bash at this with a fresh mind after reading various articles. I 
have 2 pairs of site bindings for http and https (www prefix and without). My 
DNS points both www and without to my IP. I added a redirect rule based upon 
this 
one,
 but there are many other samples that are nearly identical and I tried a few 
combinations.

All I get is "Can't reach this page" with detail INET_E_RESOURCE_NOT_FOUND. 
This hints it's a DNS problem, but where?!

GK

RE: [OT] New surface laptop

[Ken Schaefer]

Did some googling. Seems like this isn’t just a problem with Surface Book? 
Threads on answers.microsoft.com (like this one: 
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/forum/surfbook-surfperf/laggy-low-fps-performance-for-windows-10-ui-on/284760ee-3b16-4ece-9064-4b1428b5c4f7)
 have people with other models also complaining.

I don’t use any UWP apps. And I don’t have this issue when I plug an external 
monitor into my SB. This is my second SB, and I’ve never had this issue AFAICT. 
Lots of other issues that were gradually resolved over time (Standby etc. not 
working, blue screens etc.) but not this one.

Cheers
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Kean
Sent: Wednesday, 5 July 2017 1:20 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: RE: [OT] New surface laptop

No there is literal UI performance issues (scrolling is slow, lagging), put in 
“UI performance surface book” and you’ll see that lots of people are running 
into it.

What your suggesting below might work for a desktop – it doesn’t work for a 
laptop that isn’t always connected to an external monitor.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 10:02 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: RE: [OT] New surface laptop

The “look” of items is different to performance (lag with updates, screen 
tearing etc.)

I’ve set the scaling specifically for each monitor I have (rather than relying 
on Windows to “auto-pick”) so each time I plug in a previously identified 
monitor, I get the same experience.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Wood
Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 9:32 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Re: [OT] New surface laptop

I have always had issues with DPI, external monitors and my Surface Pro 3.

The way I resolve,  is to only ever bootup/login to windows 10 with your 
external monitors plugged in.
Then you can plug, unplug all you wish, as long as that first login is with the 
screens in

But if you first login to the surface with no screens connected, then go and 
connect, it is crazy DPI problems. I have to then log off or reboot to make it 
look better.


I have 3 Dell U2414H screens daisy chained into the mini display port - no dock 
needed.

Greg




Greg Wood
e: g...@woodgreg.com<mailto:g...@woodgreg.com>
t: +61417044439


On 3 July 2017 at 21:08, Ken Schaefer 
<k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
Why would UI performance suck if the DPI were different? It’s just raw 
rendering data pumped out over displayPort – and surely driver only cares about 
how many horizontal vs. vertical pixels to render. If anything this would be a 
Microsoft OS problem surely?

FWIW, I haven’t experienced anything like David (I’ve got two different 4K 
monitors at home – 32” and 24”, plus 1080i monitors, and a whole bunch of 
different projectors, TV screens and monitors at work) – this is the first I’ve 
ever heard of this issue.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On 
Behalf Of David Kean
Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 4:30 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: RE: [OT] New surface laptop

(I work for Microsoft)

I purchased the i5, 256 GB one for my wife last week.

First impressions, screen is really bright. The Alcantara cover is very 
different to what I thought it would be (less material-like than I thought). 
Much lighter and smaller when closed to my original Surface Book (mind you this 
is the fastest Surface Book you can buy). Curves are really nice on the hands 
and must less sharp than its Surface Book cousin. I found my Surface Book 
lacking as dev-box (as I find with a  lot of laptops), and UI performance 
really sucked if you connected an external monitor that wasn’t the same DPI – I 
suspect this thing would suffer from the same thing.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 1:20 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: [OT] New surface laptop

Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(

Cheers

RE: [OT] New surface laptop

[Ken Schaefer]

The “look” of items is different to performance (lag with updates, screen 
tearing etc.)

I’ve set the scaling specifically for each monitor I have (rather than relying 
on Windows to “auto-pick”) so each time I plug in a previously identified 
monitor, I get the same experience.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Wood
Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 9:32 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] New surface laptop

I have always had issues with DPI, external monitors and my Surface Pro 3.

The way I resolve,  is to only ever bootup/login to windows 10 with your 
external monitors plugged in.
Then you can plug, unplug all you wish, as long as that first login is with the 
screens in

But if you first login to the surface with no screens connected, then go and 
connect, it is crazy DPI problems. I have to then log off or reboot to make it 
look better.


I have 3 Dell U2414H screens daisy chained into the mini display port - no dock 
needed.

Greg




Greg Wood
e: g...@woodgreg.com<mailto:g...@woodgreg.com>
t: +61417044439


On 3 July 2017 at 21:08, Ken Schaefer 
<k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
Why would UI performance suck if the DPI were different? It’s just raw 
rendering data pumped out over displayPort – and surely driver only cares about 
how many horizontal vs. vertical pixels to render. If anything this would be a 
Microsoft OS problem surely?

FWIW, I haven’t experienced anything like David (I’ve got two different 4K 
monitors at home – 32” and 24”, plus 1080i monitors, and a whole bunch of 
different projectors, TV screens and monitors at work) – this is the first I’ve 
ever heard of this issue.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On 
Behalf Of David Kean
Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 4:30 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: RE: [OT] New surface laptop

(I work for Microsoft)

I purchased the i5, 256 GB one for my wife last week.

First impressions, screen is really bright. The Alcantara cover is very 
different to what I thought it would be (less material-like than I thought). 
Much lighter and smaller when closed to my original Surface Book (mind you this 
is the fastest Surface Book you can buy). Curves are really nice on the hands 
and must less sharp than its Surface Book cousin. I found my Surface Book 
lacking as dev-box (as I find with a  lot of laptops), and UI performance 
really sucked if you connected an external monitor that wasn’t the same DPI – I 
suspect this thing would suffer from the same thing.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 1:20 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: [OT] New surface laptop

Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(

Cheers

RE: [OT] New surface laptop

[Ken Schaefer]

Why would UI performance suck if the DPI were different? It’s just raw 
rendering data pumped out over displayPort – and surely driver only cares about 
how many horizontal vs. vertical pixels to render. If anything this would be a 
Microsoft OS problem surely?

FWIW, I haven’t experienced anything like David (I’ve got two different 4K 
monitors at home – 32” and 24”, plus 1080i monitors, and a whole bunch of 
different projectors, TV screens and monitors at work) – this is the first I’ve 
ever heard of this issue.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Kean
Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 4:30 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: RE: [OT] New surface laptop

(I work for Microsoft)

I purchased the i5, 256 GB one for my wife last week.

First impressions, screen is really bright. The Alcantara cover is very 
different to what I thought it would be (less material-like than I thought). 
Much lighter and smaller when closed to my original Surface Book (mind you this 
is the fastest Surface Book you can buy). Curves are really nice on the hands 
and must less sharp than its Surface Book cousin. I found my Surface Book 
lacking as dev-box (as I find with a  lot of laptops), and UI performance 
really sucked if you connected an external monitor that wasn’t the same DPI – I 
suspect this thing would suffer from the same thing.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 1:20 PM
To: ozDotNet >
Subject: [OT] New surface laptop

Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(

Cheers

RE: [OT] WMWare slow Windows 10

[Ken Schaefer]

I guess you need to check whether it’s an OS issue (e.g. check Windows Event 
Log inside the guest VM), or a VMWare issue (are you running the latest version 
of VMWare Workstation? Updated the VMTools etc?

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 10:58 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: [OT] WMWare slow Windows 10

Folks, for years I've used free WMware Workstation to run Windows XP, Vista, 
8.x and 10, also Ubuntu. I'm currently up to VMWare v12.

All of the guest operating systems running smooth and fast, EXCEPT Windows 10, 
which is so slow it can take 6 minutes just to launch VS2017, and everything is 
unbearably sluggish.

I've compared all the VM settings, web searched and poked around but can't find 
anything obvious that causing this. Has anyone seen this sort of thing and got 
any ideas?

GK

RE: Used Azure SQL DB? Why or why not?

[Ken Schaefer]

In the enterprise space, technology is 10% of the cost, and people/process is 
the other 90%.

BUs might go to random cloud providers, because they don’t understand the 
implications, or they just outsource the work to some agency. But for an 
enterprise platform, we have the whole gamut of considerations – probably helps 
if you use a framework like ITIL:

  *   Demand management
  *   Financial management
  *   Service Level management
  *   Service request management
  *   Information security management
  *   Capacity, performance, availability management
  *   Deployment
  *   Change, incident, problem
  *   Knowledge management
  *   Access management
Etc.

For each, we need to develop the end-to-end requirements, and then the 
processes. They have to be integrated into the existing tools, frameworks, 
policies and standards. If we have an existing enterprise info sec standard, 
and access management technology (probably not MS based in a large enterprise), 
then this new “add on” needs to integrate into this, or we need to build a 
bridge. We might save $100K/year on SQL Server licensing and hosting, but if it 
costs $1m to implement the bridge, then the business will prefer to spend that 
money on things that give a more immediate return – like Android Pay or 
something.



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Low (??)
Sent: Saturday, 28 January 2017 1:20 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Used Azure SQL DB? Why or why not?

To my developer buddies: I'm preparing a session for Ignite where I'm 
discussing using Azure SQL DB for greenfield (new) applications. Would love to 
hear opinions on if you've used it, and what you found/learned, and if you 
haven't used it, what stopped you ?

Regards,

Greg

RE: Used Azure SQL DB? Why or why not?

[Ken Schaefer]

Sounds like a small(er) shop then.

Bigger shops usually don’t have technical people spending the money – they have 
a budget and need to fit that by whatever means they can, provided they can 
meet all the ROI, risk, regulatory hurdles and justify the transition cost.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of DotNet Dude
Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2017 1:36 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: Used Azure SQL DB? Why or why not?

They are definitely the same ones who are the gatekeepers for the decisions. 
I've seen that the most. Protecting their jobs and trying to maintain the 
"seniority by age" mindset in the company. I've seen some gun devs just leave 
because they couldn't be bothered dealing with the nonsense.

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) 
> wrote:
So you think it is just job protection?

Are the people protecting their jobs the same ones who are gatekeepers for the 
decisions?
Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low
1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 
mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
> on behalf 
of DotNet Dude >
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 7:22:25 AM
To: ozDotNet

Subject: Re: Used Azure SQL DB? Why or why not?

The arguments are everything they can come up with even if they're not true. 
Eg. Pricing. It's just people who have been here the longest trying to keep 
things unchanged and keeping their jobs and super high salaries.

On Saturday, 28 January 2017, Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) 
> wrote:
I can guess, but what type of politics? What are the arguments?

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 
mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com 
|http://greglow.me

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of DotNet Dude
Sent: Saturday, 28 January 2017 12:44 PM
To: ozDotNet >
Subject: Re: Used Azure SQL DB? Why or why not?

Everything Tony said plus politics :p

On Saturday, 28 January 2017, Tony Wright 
> wrote:
Hi Greg,

The main thing I think stopping us has been on premises sql or dev edition sql. 
It just doesn't make sense to rely on the stability of the internet when 
developing, and an existing environment or dev edition is very little cost.

The other issue is that it ends up in an account belonging to a single person 
rather than being an organisational account.

The places where we've used Azure sql is when we've all wanted to all be able 
to access the database remotely with simplicity.

The main business driver for using sql Azure as opposed to on premises sql had 
been more about wanting sql to operate in a DMZ, nowhere near the 
organisation's confidential on premises data.

That said, we've just moved one application to using Windows Azure (started 
with table storage, moved to blob storage) simply because of the significant 
drop in cost of data.

Regards Tony

On 28 Jan 2017 1:19 PM, "Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)" 
> wrote:
To my developer buddies: I'm preparing a session for Ignite where I'm 
discussing using Azure SQL DB for greenfield (new) applications. Would love to 
hear opinions on if you've used it, and what you found/learned, and if you 
haven't used it, what stopped you ?

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 
mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com 
|http://greglow.me

RE: Used Azure SQL DB? Why or why not?

[Ken Schaefer]

People going around installing random binaries on servers makes for support 
nightmares. Not to mention licensing/contractual/audit issues.

If it goes through “the bureaucracy”, as you term it, then it should be 
properly documented so that when issues arise, people know what’s on the server 
vs. what’s supposed to be there. If some auditor comes in and says “show me 
what’s installed, and show me what controls you have to ensure that the list is 
accurate” then having a bureaucracy and enterprise deployment platform makes 
sense. Even if it makes your job that little bit harder. Health care and 
finance are definitely industries in that bucket.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2017 3:53 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: Used Azure SQL DB? Why or why not?

Another argument we got from the DBAs was "we are responsible for the integrity 
of the data so we're not relying on some thing in the cloud we know nothing 
about."

A major Melbourne hospital network said that to us recently. They demanded that 
the ASP.NET app be installed by their IT staff on their server. 
So instead of having it deployed live in 10 minutes it took 10 days to give 
them an MSI with instructions and get it through their bureaucracy (we think 10 
days was pretty good!).

Several months ago I tried to counter this argument by eventually finding an 
Azure page that listed the international security certifications. Among them 
was "Australian health data", but I don't think many hospitals would care. Does 
anyone know of significant Australian government, education or health services 
that are using Azure (or AWS or whatever) for managing big data?

GK

RE: WebApi all 404

[Ken Schaefer]

You can upgrade from 2008 to 2008 R2, but it’s a whole new OS

Windows Server 2008 == Windows Vista
Windows Server 2008 R2 == Windows 7

Some pretty big differences between the two


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2017 7:53 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: WebApi all 404

Rick also points out that you can't upgrade from 2008 to R2, or update IIS.

RE: [OT] IT in 'The Martian'

[Ken Schaefer]

In what way are they not "off the shelf"? The internal circuitry and firmware's 
the same, isn't it? Maybe the form factor might be different (shielding, 
cooling etc.)
http://www.zdnet.com/article/why-todays-spacecraft-still-run-on-1990s-processors/

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Davy Jones
Sent: Friday, 6 January 2017 7:10 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: [OT] IT in 'The Martian'

Pathfinder (1996) was a very low tech / love cost proof of concept mission, so 
a hardened 8 bit processor is not out of the question. Nasa doesn't use of the 
shelf chips. In it's craft. That's why you will see laptops all over the place 
in Nasa footage, they don't meet the radiation proof specs of Nasa but are not 
mission critical. 
Converting. A - 65 to hex I would need a chart too, or a bit of paper and a pen.

Davy 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 6 Jan 2017, at 03:13, Greg Keogh  wrote:
> Folks, we watched The Martian last night on a friend's huge TV with 3-D 
> glasses (which really work, it's a technical marvel). Fabulous looking movie, 
> a bit too long, clearly targeted for the big screen and those sorts of 
> audiences, science stretched to the limits of credibility but you don't 
> really care.
> 
> I noticed that IT played a small co-starring role. One astrophysicist boffin 
> was huddled in the corridor of a super-computer centre with his laptop 
> plugged directly into one of the racks running slingshot orbit simulations 
> (is it faster that way?). Matt Damon communicating with a camera pointing to 
> base-16 placards (he shamefully needed an ASCII chart to decode the digits).
> 
> Matt is using a hex editor at one point to directly to allow cross-probe 
> communication. I'm not sure if that hex was actually anything like 
> recognisable machine code, or it was real Mars Rover code from 2006 (did it 
> use a well-known chip and OS?)
> 
> One lady in the mothership's crew must have been a highly skilled programmer, 
> as she had to do some emergency drastic refactoring of some sort (I can't 
> remember the details now).
> 
> A bit of cryptography/steganography ... a NASA guy sent a secret message to 
> one of the crew using a fake broken email attachment, but the message was 
> simply encoded as hex digits.
> 
> There were lots of quick screen-shots showing nice graphics and source code. 
> Luckily they avoided the cliché of having ludicrous complicated meaningless 
> screens full of little windows and scrolling hex dumps (as in most action 
> movies, like Die Hard 4). I'm sure I noticed some actual LISP code at one 
> point, it was quick, but there were many lines of giveaway . A few 
> other times I saw function definitions in lower case with underscores, so 
> perhaps it was Python, but it was too quick to be sure.
> 
> Greg K

RE: [OT] HP Spectre x360 thoughts

[Ken Schaefer]

All the Surface Book problems I’ve heard of are all firmware/software related 
(and I experienced plenty of issues, getting my model on Day 1). But since 
about July, all my issues are fixed.
There’s a bunch of new technology in the Skylake chipsets, and most vendors 
were struggling to get drivers working properly for a while.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Bec C
Sent: Friday, 16 December 2016 5:46 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: [OT] HP Spectre x360 thoughts

I don't know about them all being the about same. I haven't heard of any other 
laptop recently give as much problems as the surface book. Perhaps they're all 
about the same except the surface book ;p

On Friday, 16 December 2016, David Richards 
> wrote:
Sheesh!  talk about flamebait!

I'm not going to pick a side in this.  What I will say is they are all 
essentially the same.  Both hardware and OS.  They all have their strengths and 
weaknesses.  Until recently, I had three (not including desktop PCs): A macbook 
pro running sierra and windows 10, an old (maybe 7-8 years) toshiba qosmio 
running windows 10 and linux (and has run 2 other versions of windows) and a 
very old hp tc1100 tablet (aka slate) running XP and linux that finally died 
after about 12 years I think.

They all mostly work and do their job.  They all have annoying hardware 
problems that you just have to deal with.  They all have OS problems you just 
have to deal with.  They all have design flaws that make you wonder what the 
designers were thinking.  I'm sick of ridiculous DNS problems, baffling network 
problems, dodgy ports, dodgy drivers, advertising on my login screen and 
notifications, scare tactics by antivirus software, and having to look up 
simple tasks I rarely do because I've forgotten how to do them.

Not one of them I would consider significantly better or worst than another 
that I could recommend for or against for "most" users.  Keep in mind I'm not 
comparing specs here, just the overall experience and fit-for-purpose. As 
Stephen said: "There is no perfect laptop...".

David

"If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama

On 16 December 2016 at 13:02, Bec C 
>
 wrote:
Wow full refund after 11 months???

You can all say what you want but as I have always preached, the macbook is the 
best laptop for most users including devs.

RE: [OT] HP Spectre x360 thoughts

[Ken Schaefer]

First thing, given there are a huge number of laptops out there, are what are 
your requirements/constraints/use cases…


a)  What are the minimums you think you need (storage, RAM, battery life, 
screen res)

b) What is your budget (or any other constraint – OS etc.)

c)  Is this going to be mostly portable, working in customer offices, 
cafes, planes etc), or mostly sit on your desk. Do you want to drive 4K screens 
etc. off it on your desk

Given that this is going to be your primary work machine, I guess it’s safe to 
assume you need either (a) maximum reliability or (b) onsite service – no 
“return to base and wait a week” type offerings.

Sorry I speak like an architect. I guess I’ve been doing that for too long now.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom P
Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2016 8:40 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: [OT] HP Spectre x360 thoughts

Wow thanks for the comprehensive email Tony. During my research I actually did 
read about horror stories like yours where people ended up sending machines 
back several times. It's really disappointing when you're spending so much 
money. I know several people who just refuse to deal with Dell now after having 
many issues with them. I'll keep looking...

On Wednesday, 14 December 2016, Tony Wright 
> wrote:
Hi Tom,

I have been reviewing laptops lately for value for money and decided the 
battery life on the x360 sucked.

Most of the laptops in the $3000 range are dual core as well.

If you're after a 2in1 and dual core is fine you could consider Lenovo thinkpad 
x1 yoga, or the Lenovo yoga 910. Lenovo yoga 910 is consumer and had 7th gen 
Intel chip but no pen capability. Thinkpad x1 yoga has pen but different port 
configuration.

Check ports on all laptops you consider. Thunderbolt ports are best if you can 
get them. Usbc is second best (you can run multiple external monitors + 
Ethernet cable via those ports) But you will also need adapters to fit.

The best value I ended up coming up with was a Dell Xps 15. But I have had 
major issues. They have now replaced my motherboard 3 times due to crashes, 
screen flickering and thunderbolt port failures. Tomorrow they will replace my 
motherboard for the fourth time. Not good enough. If it fails this time, I'm 
getting a refund.

My advice is look for discount codes as well. My son has a student account 
giving him access to discounts on hp (limited selection up to 40%), Dell (15%) 
and Microsoft (15%). Lenovo had up to 20% recently but have removed that deal. 
Lenovo often have other deals. Apple 10% through a student discount. Auto 
clubs, like racv, also have discounts.

If my laptop fails again and I have to buy another laptop, I think I might get 
a Lenovo P50, but they're expensive and not as sexy,but I can get a xeon chip 
or high end quad core, go up to 64gb ram, and put a second nvme pcie ssd of I 
like.

The other laptops I considered were surface book. Didn't like the lack of 
thunderbolt. Apple Macbook pro, which you can install windows natively on. It's 
got an awesome configuration but bad battery life, and that's reduced further 
by windows. Asus Zenbook pro 15 but couldn't find a price for the right 
configuration I want (I only want 1920x1080 as I want more battery life)
Hp omen - lacks extensibility. Dell precision 7510 far too expensive in 
Australia.

Hope this helps!

Tony

On 14 Dec 2016 5:34 PM, "Tom P" 
> wrote:
Hi Folks,

I'm thinking of buying the HP Spectre x360 13 inch with high specs (16gb ram, 
512 ssd, i7) which ends up costing about $3100 with the warranty. Have any devs 
here had bad experiences with this machine or recommend a better alternative 
for the price?

Cheers
Tom


--
Thanks
Tom



--
Thanks
Tom

RE: [OT] Windows Server 2016 as guest

[Ken Schaefer]

Do you have Secure Boot enabled?

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2016 11:14 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: [OT] Windows Server 2016 as guest

Try gen1 vs gen2 machine and futz with UEFI settings to see if that helps.

I've never had to do that before, but I'll look into it. My server is not a 
"real" server, but one of my previous moderate power work machines that was 
wiped and turned into a 2012R2 server.

Are you installing off the MSDN ISO?

Yes, I downloaded the MSDN ISO and burnt it to a DVD and installed from that. 
Is there something suss with that image?!

GK

RE: [OT] Windows Server 2016 as guest

[Ken Schaefer]

Haven’t read anything that says your combo won’t work. Microsoft even lists Win 
Server 2016 Tech Preview as supported: 
https://technet.microsoft.com/library/dn792027.aspx

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2016 12:45 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: [OT] Windows Server 2016 as guest

Folks, just for a look at Server 2016 I tried to install it as a guest in 
Hyper-V in Server 2012 R2, but it blue screens with Your PC ran into a problem 
and needs to restart. Stop code MACHINE CHECK EXCEPTION.

I guess I'm using an invalid combination, but web searches don't confirm this. 
Any ideas anyone?

The last time I saw this error it was fixed by updating VMWare Player to the 
latest version, but Hyper-V is part of the OS and you don't just update it.

Greg K

RE: [OT] node.js and express

[Ken Schaefer]

Whilst, as consultants, we might like the mess that the 
unqualified/naïve/incompetent generate, in the sense that it creates more work 
for the rest of us, I do fear that customers don’t like that sort of 
environment.

Other professional industries have become regulated, standardised and/or 
commoditised either through practitioners banding together (to keep out 
competition or to protect reputations), or customers (whether that be firms, or 
large service providers) have forced it down the throat of the market. CIOs and 
boards don’t like uncertainty, unpredictability and endless project failure. 
They want to pay for predictable outcomes with some confidence of delivery – 
and then large MSPs will fight to develop 
standards/methodologies/frameworks/commercial models/off-the-shelf software 
that delivers that. Hence we now have everything from ITIL, through to detailed 
work instructions and hordes of cheap offshore labour that knows exactly how to 
turn a spanner to tighten a nut.

Of course, IT’s still changing too rapidly to lock this all down, hence why we 
still have jobs. But I suspect the hamster wheel will slow down at some point. 
We’ve already seen this at the lowest layers of IT – in infrastructure and 
end-user computing. I think we’ll see it in generic development next. Before it 
starts to gobble up higher-order stuff.

Cheers
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Monday, 28 November 2016 11:56 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: [OT] node.js and express

To your point about unqualified devs Dave :-

"...Everytime I see a developer use multi-threading I think to myself, thank 
you for keeping future consultancy billables alive" - Anonymous

The more chaos the web devs breed the more the seasoned devs can pick up the 
win falls from that.


---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 10:52 AM, David Connors 
> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 at 10:13 Mark Hurd 
> wrote:
This is getting an off-topic post even more general, but this thread
also suggests to me part of why we're a hard industry to get proper
engineering-level standards applied.

I had a great chat about this with one of our engineers last week as we were 
discussing what we would likely be doing as careers if there was no such thing 
as IT.

What we worked out through discussion was that IT is, unlike most industries, 
completely unregulated. Anyone can call themselves a software engineer and, if 
you're competent and have a good reputation, you can do very well.

We never get hand outs from the government but then again we set our own rules 
of engagement and our fee structures are dictated by the market.

Not sure what the solution is, of course.

I used to have a bug up my arse about how unregulated IT is any how many 
unqualified / incompetent people there are in the industry. I've gotten over 
that and now appreciate people who make ummaintainable messes of things as 
great providers of market differentiation for us. :)

David.

--
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da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 
417 189 363

RE: [OT] node.js and express

[Ken Schaefer]

I guess the conclusion I would draw from that is not so much that the “web 
world is so much worse because we have to cater for all these clients” as “the 
web world is the only feasible answer to catering for all these clients – it’s 
simply not financially feasible to do it via thick clients”

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Nathan Schultz
Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2016 5:40 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] node.js and express

As I said in my first e-mail, (when Greg was wondering what the key drivers 
were for web-development), I said "accessibility". Thick clients are simply not 
transportable.
So the simple answer is, you don't.

On 23 November 2016 at 14:21, Ken Schaefer 
<k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On 
Behalf Of Nathan Schultz
Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2016 5:10 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Re: [OT] node.js and express

@Ken, your definition of Technical Debt isn't that different from that of 
Martin Fowler's.
Although I'd say (with some seriousness) that JavaScript is Technical Debt ;-)

I've found many of the things you mention far worse in the web-world (where you 
sometimes have to cater for everything from a mobile phone to a quadruple 
monitor desk-top, and everything in-between, all with different OS's, software, 
plug-ins, versions, and incompatibilities).

I’m curious to know how you’d cater for this variety of consumers if you were 
to do thick-client development? Wouldn’t that be even more of a dog’s breakfast 
of OSes, development environments/languages, pre-requisites you’d need to ship 
etc?

RE: [OT] node.js and express

[Ken Schaefer]

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Nathan Schultz
Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2016 5:10 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: [OT] node.js and express

@Ken, your definition of Technical Debt isn't that different from that of 
Martin Fowler's.
Although I'd say (with some seriousness) that JavaScript is Technical Debt ;-)

I've found many of the things you mention far worse in the web-world (where you 
sometimes have to cater for everything from a mobile phone to a quadruple 
monitor desk-top, and everything in-between, all with different OS's, software, 
plug-ins, versions, and incompatibilities).

I’m curious to know how you’d cater for this variety of consumers if you were 
to do thick-client development? Wouldn’t that be even more of a dog’s breakfast 
of OSes, development environments/languages, pre-requisites you’d need to ship 
etc?

RE: [OT] node.js and express

[Ken Schaefer]

making web-development software in the 
mid 90's (HotDog software), and I was doing web apps in Visual InterDev (which 
is before Visual Studio's time).

On 22 November 2016 at 12:13, Ken Schaefer 
<k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
A couple of possible reasons:


-  All the emphasis is on centrally delivered applications (aka web 
based), so that’s where all the innovation and change is happening. It will 
take time for maturity and tooling to catch up.

-  It’s harder to bypass the full technical cost of development when 
something’s centrally delivered. It’s easier to incur “technical debt” when you 
build a little thick-client app – the real cost of the app gets buried in IT 
operations.

Cheers
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On 
Behalf Of Greg Low (??)
Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2016 2:33 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: RE: [OT] node.js and express

But that’s a centralized vs distributed argument. I understand that. By why 
exactly does a centralized development process have to be orders of magnitude 
slower than a distributed one? I just think the tooling has let us down -> big 
time.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410<tel:%2B61%20419201410> mobile│ 
+61 3 8676 4913<tel:%2B61%203%208676%204913> fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com<http://www.sqldownunder.com/> | 
http://greglow.me<http://greglow.me/>

RE: [OT] node.js and express

[Ken Schaefer]

A couple of possible reasons:


-  All the emphasis is on centrally delivered applications (aka web 
based), so that’s where all the innovation and change is happening. It will 
take time for maturity and tooling to catch up.

-  It’s harder to bypass the full technical cost of development when 
something’s centrally delivered. It’s easier to incur “technical debt” when you 
build a little thick-client app – the real cost of the app gets buried in IT 
operations.

Cheers
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Low (??)
Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2016 2:33 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: RE: [OT] node.js and express

But that’s a centralized vs distributed argument. I understand that. By why 
exactly does a centralized development process have to be orders of magnitude 
slower than a distributed one? I just think the tooling has let us down -> big 
time.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com | 
http://greglow.me

RE: [OT] node.js and express

[Ken Schaefer]

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Nathan Schultz
Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2016 1:53 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: [OT] node.js and express

But many of the same problems persist on the web, and the web has brought 
entirely new challenges. The web has all the same issues of DLL hell - 
different components need different versions of the same component - like the 
other day I saw a project where there required multiple versions of JQuery due 
to different component requirements - and the hacks required to ensure that the 
right version is used for the right components isn't pretty. And apps are no 
longer isolated within the company - you're not developing for a particular SOE 
anymore - but rather a polyglot of devices with different operation systems, 
software, features, sizes, resolutions and capabilities. Testing if anything is 
a longer process than ever before. Licensing for some software is on a per-user 
basis on the web, which brings it's own challenges for anonymous systems. 
Deployment must still go through a full change management process (there are 
still a multitude of things that can go wrong), and when you consider the same 
thing could occur today using one-click deployment, sand-boxed applications, 
and Docker containers, the web doesn't have an ace up its sleeve there either.

In my experience, part of the reason that enterprises prefer stuffing all that 
complexity resolution into the development effort (or getting your vendor to 
take the hit in their development effort) is that it’s project cost. It makes 
it much clearer what the true cost of “application X” is to the business.

If the alternative is passing the cost to BAU/Ops (in terms of managing 
interoperability and keeping an end-user fleet of devices running), it becomes 
far more murky as to what is causing the complexity and how much it’s costing. 
Whoever is funding the project will cut whatever they can (whether it be 
security, sociability testing, monitoring instrumentation), and make it 
Operations problem.

As for “click once” etc. that’s just solving a small technological piece of a 
puzzle. How do I do deployment accounting/licensing etc. via click-once?

My current org is ~40,000 users spread from Sydney to Woomera – do not 
underestimate the complexity of deploying or upgrading anything critical in 
that type of environment: when we used to run a distributed Active Directory 
environment (so that local branches could keep running if the WAN was down), 
simply upgrading AD schema was a 9+ month project, where we ended up auditing 
every DC (around 150 branch ones at the time) to verify that their out-of-band 
management cards were working (about 20 needed replacing, or were not cabled), 
and had to roster tens of support techs to be ready to drive/fly out to a site, 
just in case we had to pull the upgrade process due to something going 
catastrophically wrong. The change had to be done over a long weekend, because 
that was the only time that gave us enough lead time to do an authoritative 
restore. Now, upgrading AD isn’t particularly important to a bank – and if I 
was IT leadership I’d be asking: “why can’t I deploy a core systems upgrade, or 
upgrade online banking during this key window? Why am I upgrading ‘AD’, 
whatever the f*ck that is”

Now, it’s all sitting in our data centres, and we could probably do a scheme 
change overnight if we had too. There are lots of Ops benefits to centralising 
all your core logic and systems.

Cheers
Ken

RE: [OT] node.js and express

[Ken Schaefer]

I think that’s more likely the case when you have a single thick client, in 
isolation.

It doesn’t really scale when you have an ecosystem of hundreds (or thousands) 
of thick-clients in your environment.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Nathan Schultz
Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2016 12:46 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: [OT] node.js and express

@Ken; except that thick clients also are easier to debug and maintain as well;

RE: [OT] node.js and express

[Ken Schaefer]

tp://greglow.me/>

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2016 12:15 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: RE: [OT] node.js and express

Typical Devs – all they talk about is how much faster/quicker they can write an 
app in one tech vs. another. As if that’s the only thing that matters. ☺☺ 
(note, smiley faces!)

Development time/cost/effort is generally a small fraction of the cost of 
supporting an app, let alone the cost of supporting a large environment.

Maybe thick-client deployment works well in small(er) environments. It doesn’t 
scale in larger ones. As David alluded too, there were many drivers to moving 
towards web-based applications

Cheers
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of DotNet Dude
Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2016 9:15 AM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Re: [OT] node.js and express

Totally agree Greg. About 80% of what we are currently building could be done 
in 1/10 of the time using winforms or mvc.

Some of our clients are even TELLING us how to build it using whatever 
technology they've recently heard of. One customer recently asked us to use 
Electron. Did they need cross platform? No. Why force javascript down my team's 
throat when it can be avoided altogether and we can have it done in a week with 
wpf or winforms?!

Many years ago we just did a winforms app and deployed via clickonce. Worked 
well and no complaints in the Intranet environments. I've yet to see a case 
where not using winforms (or wpf) or webforms (or mvc) is worth it in Intranet 
situations.

Internet facing apps is a whole different thing obviously.

RE: [OT] node.js and express

[Ken Schaefer]

Typical Devs – all they talk about is how much faster/quicker they can write an 
app in one tech vs. another. As if that’s the only thing that matters. ☺☺ 
(note, smiley faces!)

Development time/cost/effort is generally a small fraction of the cost of 
supporting an app, let alone the cost of supporting a large environment.

Maybe thick-client deployment works well in small(er) environments. It doesn’t 
scale in larger ones. As David alluded too, there were many drivers to moving 
towards web-based applications

Cheers
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of DotNet Dude
Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2016 9:15 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: [OT] node.js and express

Totally agree Greg. About 80% of what we are currently building could be done 
in 1/10 of the time using winforms or mvc.

Some of our clients are even TELLING us how to build it using whatever 
technology they've recently heard of. One customer recently asked us to use 
Electron. Did they need cross platform? No. Why force javascript down my team's 
throat when it can be avoided altogether and we can have it done in a week with 
wpf or winforms?!

Many years ago we just did a winforms app and deployed via clickonce. Worked 
well and no complaints in the Intranet environments. I've yet to see a case 
where not using winforms (or wpf) or webforms (or mvc) is worth it in Intranet 
situations.

Internet facing apps is a whole different thing obviously.

On Tuesday, 22 November 2016, Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) 
> wrote:
I’m simply amazed at what we’ve done to ourselves as an industry.

I was on a project a while back. With 12 devs and 7 months’ work, the core 
business web app was created. The guys worked hard. At the end, they were still 
struggling to get it to look right on different browsers.

But in the end, I looked at the outcome and knew in my heart that I could have 
created it as a winform app by myself in around a week.

This is progress?

We started building web apps because the IT people were fed up with trying to 
deploy Windows apps. It wasn’t because users were crying out for a lousy visual 
experience, and apps that throw away their work if they stop using them for the 
session timeout period.

I think we “fixed” the wrong problem.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ 
+61 3 8676 4913 fax
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From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Monday, 21 November 2016 6:59 PM
To: ozDotNet >
Subject: Re: [OT] node.js and express


Goodness, you are not alone.

I'm more surprised that you are surprised, that's all.



Some links to confirm you are not alone (and some funny, cause it's true, 
reading)

https://hackernoon.com/how-it-feels-to-learn-javascript-in-2016-d3a717dd577f#.cdvrepjwi



https://medium.com/@wob/the-sad-state-of-web-development-1603a861d29f#.kqtp9oyq6



There was a hilarious one written by a Java developer where she all but 
dissolved in tears and screaming... but I can't find it right now. Funny 
because it was pretty spot on, not because a poor soul was suffering.



If this shit was easy, everyone would be doing it. There's job security in the 
pain, somewhere.



cheers

Stephen

p.s. All opinions and beliefs are my own. I'm not sure how they came to be, for 
that I can only blame those I've hung around, in real life and online.


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
> on behalf 
of Greg Keogh >
Sent: Monday, 21 November 2016 2:48:54 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] node.js and express


You're not alone Greg. It's like going back to spaghetti but everyone around me 
doesn't agree.

Thanks heavens someone is sympathetic. I thought I was crazy, but I'm glad to 
know you are too! -- Greg

RE: [OT] Ad tracking and security

[Ken Schaefer]

Both Site A and Site B (and C, D, E, F, G, H, I…) have an embedded/linked 
script, or an Ad, or an invisible 1x1 .gif served from Site Z. The cookie’s 
source is that of Site Z, not Site A or Site B. Site Z then shares the data 
with advertisers, hosts and everyone else that’s willing to pay.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Wallace Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2016 11:38 AM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] Ad tracking and security

I had a quick look into this because straight away i thought the scenario Greg 
described wouldnt be possible just with cookies - that is if you go to site-A 
and it creates a cookie how would this cookie then be sent to site-B to 
determine its the same person?

As Ken says It appears that they are able to generate a unique fingerprint:
>>We look for browser type, screen size, active plugin data, active installed 
>>software, font usage, font size, time zones, IP, and countless other unique 
>>ways to correlate machines into unique ID’s  [1]

This same fingerprint is generated on site-A and site-B and they then serve ads 
- you can of course boycott the sites that participate in this ad network (I 
would like to know the scope of the various networks)
I would assume (hope) that adblock or similar prevents the javascript calls to 
the ad networks...


[1]: https://meteora.co/user-tracking-without-cookies/

On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 7:57 AM, Ken Schaefer 
<k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
Lots of ways you can get tracked, from IP address to cookies, to running 
scripts in your browser to get a “fingerprint”
Lots of ways to try to limit this.

Google “how advertisers track you” (or maybe using 
www.DuckDuckGo.com<http://www.DuckDuckGo.com>  might be more apropos)

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2016 10:40 AM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: [OT] Ad tracking and security

Folks, this would normally be a Friday topic, but can someone explain how this 
is possible? ...

Last week my wife purchased some clothes online from 'Tread Store'. This 
morning I was at her PC searching in IE for some technical answers and I 
followed a link to Experts Exchange. In the discussion there I see a large 
flashing banner ad for Tread Store. I deleted a handful of suspicious cookies, 
cleared the cache and went back to the page and the ads are still there.

How the friggin' hell are they doing this? Is it simply by our IP address? If 
so, then there's not much I can do to stop this tracking without using a VPN or 
Tor browsing. This data collection creep is a serious worry. We order clothes, 
food, music, books and PC consumables online, so I presume it's all recorded. I 
also presume that as subscribers to The Age newspaper they are tracking every 
click we make. YouTube also records every video you watch. From this 
information you can produce a pretty good profile of someone you've never met. 
Some of us also voted online ... worried!?

Greg K

RE: [OT] Ad tracking and security

[Ken Schaefer]

Lots of ways you can get tracked, from IP address to cookies, to running 
scripts in your browser to get a “fingerprint”
Lots of ways to try to limit this.

Google “how advertisers track you” (or maybe using 
www.DuckDuckGo.com  might be more apropos)

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2016 10:40 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: [OT] Ad tracking and security

Folks, this would normally be a Friday topic, but can someone explain how this 
is possible? ...

Last week my wife purchased some clothes online from 'Tread Store'. This 
morning I was at her PC searching in IE for some technical answers and I 
followed a link to Experts Exchange. In the discussion there I see a large 
flashing banner ad for Tread Store. I deleted a handful of suspicious cookies, 
cleared the cache and went back to the page and the ads are still there.

How the friggin' hell are they doing this? Is it simply by our IP address? If 
so, then there's not much I can do to stop this tracking without using a VPN or 
Tor browsing. This data collection creep is a serious worry. We order clothes, 
food, music, books and PC consumables online, so I presume it's all recorded. I 
also presume that as subscribers to The Age newspaper they are tracking every 
click we make. YouTube also records every video you watch. From this 
information you can produce a pretty good profile of someone you've never met. 
Some of us also voted online ... worried!?

Greg K

RE: Entity Framework - the lay of the land

[Ken Schaefer]

A large bank (like one of the Big4 in Aus) has a staggering number of 
applications. Even running what you’d think is the simplest product results in 
multiple applications being involved, whether opening an account through to 
day-to-day transacting, especially given the multiple channels that might be 
available.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Low (??)
Sent: Monday, 19 September 2016 3:23 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: RE: Entity Framework - the lay of the land

People always use banks as the canonical example, but I had one at a local bank 
where I went to an ATM and did a transfer “From Account” -> “To Account” where 
both accounts were with the same bank.

Came out of the “from”, and never went into the “to”.

After what seemed like hours on the phone, they told me that “the person who 
had typed in the account number had got it wrong”.

I said “person???” “type”

That’s when they explained to me that their savings system wasn’t really 
connected to their credit card system, and on that afternoon the integration 
link had broken down, so they were printing out the transactions on one and 
typing them into the other. There really was a little person in the ATM.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com | 
http://greglow.me

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Monday, 19 September 2016 1:50 PM
To: ozDotNet >
Subject: Re: Entity Framework - the lay of the land


While on the topic of databases...



I made a flight booking via Altitude points system yesterday and if failed. 
Gave me a number to call during business hours.



Turns out just the return flight was made but nothing charged. That's not very 
atomic hey? []



Hehe love that dialup db connection idea...


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
> on behalf 
of Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) >
Sent: Monday, 19 September 2016 11:06:05 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Entity Framework - the lay of the land

I remember many years ago, connecting the devs to the DB via a dial-up 64kB 
modem. Worked wonders for the code that came back. Suddenly they noticed every 
call.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com | 
http://greglow.me

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors
Sent: Monday, 19 September 2016 12:34 PM
To: ozDotNet >
Subject: Re: Entity Framework - the lay of the land

On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 at 10:38 Greg Keogh 
> wrote:
I had an argument internally that caching was good, with the alternate side 
saying that “cache invalidation” was hard so they never use it.
I think it is "hard" but don't write it off completely. Search for "second 
level cache" and you'll see it's not that trivial to use properly. Some ORMs 
have it as an optional feature. You've got to consider what to cache, eviction 
or expiry policy, concurrency, capacity, etc. I implemented simple caching in a 
server app a long time ago, then about year later I put performance counters 
into the code and discovered that in live use the cache was usually going empty 
before it was accessed, so it was mostly ineffective. Luckily I could tweak it 
into working. So caching is great, but be careful -- GK

I'd argue caching is a good idea so long as it is not a substitute for good 
performance optimisation as you go.

As a general discipline we roll with a rule I call "10x representative data 
load" which means we take whatever we think the final system is going to run 
with for a data set, load each dev with 10x of that on their workstations, and 
make them live that dream.

The reality is that a bit of planning for optimal indexes as well as casting an 
eye over the execution plan after you write each proc isn't a lot of dev 
overhead. At least you know when what you have built rolls out it performs as 
well as it can given other constraints.

David.




--
David Connors
da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 
417 189 363

RE: Expired MSDN Subscription - Transfer of VS to a new machine

[Ken Schaefer]

VS2013 had a static product key – it just varied depending on the edition you 
wanted to install.

From memory, if you login to the MSDN subscriber site, you can still get access 
to your old keys (though I could be wrong about that)

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Glen Harvy
Sent: Monday, 15 August 2016 11:46 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Expired MSDN Subscription - Transfer of VS to a new machine

Hi,

I'm currently in a dispute with Microsoft in that I have been unable to 
"activate" my licence as they claim I have "exceeded" my activations.
All I want to do is move my VS2013 installation from my old PC to a new PC.

My MSDN subscription expired some time ago however I'm supposed to have a 
perpetual licence. At least that's how I understood it.

They are also adamant that I need a Product Key. Product Keys have never been 
needed/available for VS2013 and above when acquired via a MSDN subscription.

Has any one else ever run into this brick wall?

Glen.

RE: [OT] Windows 10 anniversary upgrade

[Ken Schaefer]

If you have access to MSDN, then switch to the LTSB (long term servicing 
branch) version – it might help avoid surprises.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Monday, 15 August 2016 8:46 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: [OT] Windows 10 anniversary upgrade

Yesterday morning I rushed to my PC to watch a live stream of a music 
competition. Twenty minutes later I get to sign in because the anniversary 
upgrade arrived without warning. Now I find the signin screen, the elevation 
prompt, and file open dialogs have changed appearance and behaviour, tray icons 
I removed have returned, the "useless" metro apps I removed have returned, I'm 
getting Alert popups that I suppressed, the desktop colour has changed, and 
Explorer tree icons that I carefully removed with registry edits have returned.

Who's managing my PC? Who owns it?

Greg

RE: [OT] Small pc

[Ken Schaefer]

In addition to the Intel NUC, Asus also make set of “small PCs”:
http://www.asus.com/au/Mini-PCs/

Intel NUCs:
http://www.shoppingexpress.com.au/?kw=nuc=kw

And if you have lots of money to burn, there’s always the Apple Mac Mini + 
bootcamp ☺

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Thursday, 2 June 2016 10:18 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: [OT] Small pc

I want to run videos and stuff on an older tv (not smart tv). Youtube, VLC 
player and a few other things that need to be installed on Windows.

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 10:14 AM, DotNet Dude 
> wrote:
Hey bud, what do you actually want to use it for? From my experience something 
like the intel stick is never adequate.

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Tom Rutter 
> wrote:
Folks, I am after a very small and cheap pc that can run Win 7+ and IE8+. Any 
ideas?

Cheers

RE: [OT] Windows.old folder

[Ken Schaefer]

This will be from the 1511 update that happened to your machine a short while 
ago. It allows you to do a roll-back to the previous Windows 10 installation.

From memory, you can use the Disk Cleanup Tool (diskmgr) to remove it. 
Otherwise, I believe it gets automatically removed after 30 days or something.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Monday, 7 March 2016 9:50 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: [OT] Windows.old folder

Ian, I installed my Win10 onto a fresh SSD, so I suspect that the old folder 
was the result of the big update that someone mentioned. I stupidly forgot to 
look at the timestamp of the old folder and files before I deleted them, or I 
might have been able to link them to that weird Monday morning reboot. I 
haven't seen any $Windows or ~WS files around. Anyway, I'm glad I got rid of 
the 120,000 files and 20 gigwatts of space, as my C: drive SSD is a smallish 
one.

GK

On 6 March 2016 at 21:57, Ian Thomas 
> wrote:
Greg, when the 15-11-2015 Windows 10 update (which is sometimes likened to a .1 
update)occurred, all update records that you can see when back to zero so to 
speak. But it doesn’t create a Windows.old (or mine haven’t) – that is typical 
of an upgrade that can back off” to the previous installed version of Windows.
Do you also have a folder $Windows.~WS  with something in it? That is a part / 
a remnant of a qualifying prior Windows version, having downloaded the stuff 
necessary for the initial Windows 10 install.
Maybe the friend who did your initial hardware assembly and Windows 
installation had a prior booting Windows on the current boot drive?

Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Sunday, 6 March 2016 7:10 PM
To: ozDotNet >
Subject: [OT] Windows.old folder

Folks, probably a Friday topic, but FYI ... I was doing some Sunday evening 
backups and cleanups and I noticed a Windows.old folder taking about 20GB with 
~12 files in it! Now the weird thing is that I have no clear idea when or 
where this came from. I didn't run or accept any major upgrades, and my Win10 
C: drive was installed fresh a few weeks ago.

You may recall two Monday mornings ago I booted and received a weird (and 
scary) windows update style message about "your files are still where you left 
them" and all my customisations had been reversed. Someone in here suggested 
that I had been upgraded to Windows 10.1, which is possible, but I find no 
record in the update history. I can only guess that I did receive a gigantic OS 
upgrade without warning, creating the Windows.old folder. This does worry me, 
as I like to have control over major decisions like this, and I certainly did 
in older versions of Windows. Even iOS is more polite and helpful about 
performing vast upgrades.

You have to login as local Administrator, take ownership of the folder and 
propagate full control all the way down before you can delete it.

GK

RE: SQL Server 2014 Books Online - bits missing?

[Ken Schaefer]

I think I've got it fixed - the missing content is showing up after installing 
SP1 + CU5, and re-downloading all the help files.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Friday, 4 March 2016 12:40 PM
To: ozDotNet (ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com) <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: SQL Server 2014 Books Online - bits missing?

Hi,

Anyone encountered this before? I've just tried to install SQL Server 2014 
books online locally. I selected the 4 available books in Help Viewer, and it 
downloaded around 60MB of stuff. But there's vast swathes of stuff missing 
(e.g. isn't there supposed to be a section on Data Manipulation Language in the 
language reference? There's nothing on SELECT, INSERT etc.

If someone's run into this before, how did you get the missing content 
installed? Thanks in advance

[cid:image001.png@01D17624.EC6BC100]

SQL Server 2014 Books Online - bits missing?

[Ken Schaefer]

Hi,

Anyone encountered this before? I've just tried to install SQL Server 2014 
books online locally. I selected the 4 available books in Help Viewer, and it 
downloaded around 60MB of stuff. But there's vast swathes of stuff missing 
(e.g. isn't there supposed to be a section on Data Manipulation Language in the 
language reference? There's nothing on SELECT, INSERT etc.

If someone's run into this before, how did you get the missing content 
installed? Thanks in advance

[cid:image001.png@01D17613.1BB4B960]

RE: [ot] upgrading to windows 10

[Ken Schaefer]

The upgrade process seems to use something like MDT – it gathers up all your 
files, registry settings etc. and creates an archive. It then puts down a new 
OS, and imports all your old files/settings. That’s what also allows the 
installer to do a roll-back, in case of problems, as all your old 
data/files/settings are still there.

I would do the upgrade first, so that you have an activated Win10 license. If 
run into issues after the upgrade, doing a clean install should require no 
product key. Not applicable if you are use Enterprise edition.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Rhys Jones
Sent: Thursday, 3 March 2016 10:35 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: [ot] upgrading to windows 10

i've got a windows 10 laptop so I'm familiar with the desktop, it's the upgrade 
process that I'm worried about, from past experience it never goes well.



Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.


On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 12:04 AM, Greg Keogh 
> wrote:
Hey guys
Anyone got any advice on upgrading windows 7 to windows 10?

Went through the whole process two weekends ago, but on the desktop only with 
my developer's hat on (I have only used Win10 on a tablet for about 5 minutes). 
Some non-techie friends just look at it and go "it's sort of prettier isn't it, 
but where are my programs?" I explain the Start bar menu and tiles to them and 
off they go, and that's about it, they don't care about anything else.

As a power Win10 desktop user, I find Wi10 to be Win7 with more pretty clutter 
to get in the way of what you want to actually do. Internally they both feel 
about the same and all of my old apps installed and ran okay. But everything 
takes more clicks and more navigation to find and run quickly in Win10. I spent 
hours and hours stripping Win10 back to look and feel like Win7. And I must 
stress that I didn't do that out of spite, or because I resist change ... I did 
it because I had to! Win10 contains so much worthless garbage and clutter that 
I had to strip it out to keep my productivity up. All tiles, flat apps, 
superfluous icons, wallpaper, plug-ins, Cortana, etc ... all erased or hidden. 
I've pinned the dozen apps I use every day to the start bar and I'm back to 
working normally. So the big question is ... why did I do that? Why was it 
necessary? I'm not the only one. Somebody in the marketing and art departments 
that produce Win10 must be slightly askew to reality. Win10 feels a bit like an 
unfinished iMac.

So overall, I think you'll have little technical trouble going from 7 to 10, 
but as a power user I guess you'll spend a bit of time tweaking the desktop to 
your liking, as I did.

GK

RE: [OT] ACS - relevant?

[Ken Schaefer]

Do many IT projects fail because of the lack of externally certified 
competency? I’m not sure they do.

I’ve seen projects fail because requirements were uncertain (or changed), or 
scope changed, or complexity was underestimated, or best effort “guesses” based 
on incomplete information at the time ended up being the wrong punt.

Very few of these are “IT” problems – they are problems that come from the 
business, or in governance, and some are just plain bad luck.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Low (??)
Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2016 11:02 AM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: RE: [OT] ACS - relevant?

Almost agree Ken. I don’t see having “professional” attributes as being related 
to whether or not IT projects fail. What I do see is a difference in the finger 
pointing when they fail.

If I was the CEO responsible when an issue occurred, I’d feel more comfortable 
having used staff that an external body says are professional, rather than ones 
I assessed myself to be great at what they do. It avoids me being stuck with 
having to try to argue basic competence.

And yes, point taken about common parlance. I have a friend who is a 
wheelbarrow mechanic and many who are sales engineers.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com<http://www.sqldownunder.com/>

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2016 10:46 AM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: RE: [OT] ACS - relevant?

Whilst you are right that Tony is conflating professionalism with desirable 
employee attributes, I think you’re also conflating professionalism with 
“avoidance of high failure rates in IT projects” – there are many 
“professional” endeavours that have failures (whether it be accounting issues 
through to scientific experiments) which having a profession wouldn’t suddenly 
mitigate: a lot of IT works a commercial sphere where “good enough” is the 
goal. There’s plenty of other IT (utilities, aerospace, defence) where BAU 
failure is not tolerated. Certainly projects may go “over budget”, but that 
happens in civil engineering, legal disputes and many other “professional” 
activities as well.

And lastly, I think, in common parlance, “professional” and “white collar” have 
become conflated. Most people in the community would call marketing/advertising 
people, or human resources people, or vendor/contract management people, or 
people who work in finance to be “professionals”, whereas by the formal 
definition, they’re not.

Cheers
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Low (??)
Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 10:05 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: RE: [OT] ACS - relevant?

I follow what you’re saying Tony but the two concepts are separate.

You are describing what you are looking for in an employee. You might consider 
that “professionalism” but you are not actually describing what most other 
industries would describe as professionalism. In most industries, 
professionalism is about a formal agreement to adhere to a code of ethics, 
being qualified in the first place, maintaining appropriate certifications, 
carrying out ongoing learning, etc. And, more importantly, ejection from the 
profession if you don’t do what’s required.

It’s just that the IT industry places more value on a perceived ability to get 
something done.

There’s nothing wrong with that per se, but people that we consider to be IT 
professionals won’t ever be regarded as such by most of the community, and 
we’ll continue to see people that lurch from one disaster to the next with 
impunity. It’s worth considering that very few other professions would tolerate 
the failure rate that’s associated with IT projects.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com<http://www.sqldownunder.com/>

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tony Wright
Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 9:54 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Re: [OT] ACS - relevant?


I somehow don't think being a member of the ACS suddenly gives you any more 
professionalism than any other person in the IT sector. In fact, having read 
resumes of hundreds of people I think I've only ever seen one that said they 
were a member of the ACS. But alas, that person did not have the skills we 
needed, so we had to pass. We were rea

RE: [OT] ACS - relevant?

[Ken Schaefer]

Whilst you are right that Tony is conflating professionalism with desirable 
employee attributes, I think you’re also conflating professionalism with 
“avoidance of high failure rates in IT projects” – there are many 
“professional” endeavours that have failures (whether it be accounting issues 
through to scientific experiments) which having a profession wouldn’t suddenly 
mitigate: a lot of IT works a commercial sphere where “good enough” is the 
goal. There’s plenty of other IT (utilities, aerospace, defence) where BAU 
failure is not tolerated. Certainly projects may go “over budget”, but that 
happens in civil engineering, legal disputes and many other “professional” 
activities as well.

And lastly, I think, in common parlance, “professional” and “white collar” have 
become conflated. Most people in the community would call marketing/advertising 
people, or human resources people, or vendor/contract management people, or 
people who work in finance to be “professionals”, whereas by the formal 
definition, they’re not.

Cheers
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Low (??)
Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 10:05 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: RE: [OT] ACS - relevant?

I follow what you’re saying Tony but the two concepts are separate.

You are describing what you are looking for in an employee. You might consider 
that “professionalism” but you are not actually describing what most other 
industries would describe as professionalism. In most industries, 
professionalism is about a formal agreement to adhere to a code of ethics, 
being qualified in the first place, maintaining appropriate certifications, 
carrying out ongoing learning, etc. And, more importantly, ejection from the 
profession if you don’t do what’s required.

It’s just that the IT industry places more value on a perceived ability to get 
something done.

There’s nothing wrong with that per se, but people that we consider to be IT 
professionals won’t ever be regarded as such by most of the community, and 
we’ll continue to see people that lurch from one disaster to the next with 
impunity. It’s worth considering that very few other professions would tolerate 
the failure rate that’s associated with IT projects.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tony Wright
Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 9:54 PM
To: ozDotNet >
Subject: Re: [OT] ACS - relevant?


I somehow don't think being a member of the ACS suddenly gives you any more 
professionalism than any other person in the IT sector. In fact, having read 
resumes of hundreds of people I think I've only ever seen one that said they 
were a member of the ACS. But alas, that person did not have the skills we 
needed, so we had to pass. We were really looking for people who were emmersed 
in the technology and the best evidence of that was evidence of decent projects 
they'd worked on, attendance and speaking at user group meetings, and evidence 
of leadership. Certifications, sure, but not people who only knew how to do 
certs. And people with personality and the right attitude.

T.
On 29 Feb 2016 8:12 pm, "Peter Griffith" 
> wrote:
Well put David B

So I guess that means that IT cannot be regarded as a profession

Bourne out by industry who seem more interested in experience rather than 
adherance to a professional code of ethics, code of conduct, code of practice.

Is it unethical then for those working in IT to portray  themselves as 
professionals?.





On 29 February 2016 at 17:06, David Burstin 
> wrote:
Some points on relevance...

I used to be an accountant. There are many professional bodies that cover 
accountants, each being relevant only to the area of accounting they specialize 
in. CPAs are not the same as Chartered Accountants, and it is natural and 
obvious as an accountant which body you should belong to based on the type of 
work you do. For example, a public accountant in a suburban practice doing 
individual, small trust and small company returns would be a CPA, not a 
Chartered Accountant.

All of the questions you asked have different answers based on which body you 
belong to as an accountant.

So, who does the ACS represent? Software engineers? Hardware engineers? 
Database administrators? And within these, there are massive subsets, each with 
vastly different and perhaps even opposing codes of conduct and practice. Would 
the ACS promote "break-nothing" (eg if you worked at a financial institution), 
or "break-everything" if you worked at Facebook?

I am not 

RE: [OT] Patchd radiation reducer

[Ken Schaefer]

Hi,

Googling PatchD finds some stuff you can read (from memory – looked this up for 
a friend several months ago).

That all said, if there was some way of magically reducing harmful emissions by 
75%+ for the cost of some cheap raw materials, every phone manufacturer would 
have already done it. It’d cost them a few cents to implement, and they could 
market their phones as having 75% fewer harmful emissions.

Basically, these things are a scam.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Bec C
Sent: Friday, 19 February 2016 6:42 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: [OT] Patchd radiation reducer

Where would I even look for the current scientific data?

Cheers

On Friday, 19 February 2016, Greg Keogh 
> wrote:
Has any body any information about how well the Patchd radiation reducing thing 
works? I can't seem to find much info besides the main site 
patchd.com

It's an old scam that feeds off fear.

The Federal Government’s safety watchdog, the Australian Radiation Protection 
and Nuclear Safety Agency (ARPANSA), does not recommend the use of products 
that attach to a phone and advertised as neutralising any harmful effects. “The 
claims are not consistent with current scientific knowledge and it is 
difficult, if not impossible, to verify any benefits,” it says in a fact sheet.

Greg

RE: [OT] Windows 10 warning

[Ken Schaefer]

It was called “Threshold 2” or similar:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/11/14/windows-10-threshold-2-surprises/#5577a17090f0
http://www.redmondpie.com/windows-10-1511-build-10586-november-update-is-out-heres-how-to-update-now/

It’s effectively an OS upgrade – it would have reset your update history.
I believe, from memory, you can uninstall it for the next 30 days. After that, 
Windows 10 will clean up/delete the uninstall files that it’s keeping on your 
hard disk.



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Monday, 22 February 2016 10:27 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: [OT] Windows 10 warning

Find out what update was installed. If it was Build 1511, then think of it as 
Windows 10.1

I see I'm on Version 1511 OS Build 10586.104, but really surprisingly, my 
update history says "No updates have been installed yet" so I can't tell if a 
valid upgrade undid my changes. I'm unfamiliar with this "Windows 10.1" upgrade 
-- GK

RE: [OT] Windows 10 warning

[Ken Schaefer]

Find out what update was installed. If it was Build 1511, then think of it as 
Windows 10.1

You can remove Flash via Add/Remove Programs except for inside IE – Microsoft 
maintains Flash within IE at the moment. Use Firefox/Edge/Chrome whatever to 
not have Flash.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Monday, 22 February 2016 10:01 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: [OT] Windows 10 warning

Folks, yesterday afternoon I decided to "clean up" my brand new Windows 10 
development box. Using sysinternals tools I found dozens of services and 
auto-start things that I disabled. I cleared the start tiles, uninstalled some 
OS features, etc. It all went quite well, but I haven't defeated and removed 
Flash yet!! I took thinks a step further and followed the hints in these pages 
to clear junk folders out of the Windows Explorer tree and to remove all the 
Universal apps that I will never use:

http://www.askvg.com/tip-remove-6-extra-folders-from-windows-10-explorer-this-pc/
http://www.howtogeek.com/224798/how-to-uninstall-windows-10s-built-in-apps-and-how-to-reinstall-them/

This all worked beautifully, but this morning when I booted I got a weird 
screen telling me "Windows has installed updates and all of your files are 
exactly where you left them". My screen background was black, and absolutely 
everything I uninstalled or altered yesterday was undone. Everything is back, 
folders, apps, everything.

This makes me very angry. Who owns this PC?

Greg K

RE: [OT] Old books

[Ken Schaefer]

Recycling is probably more environmentally friendly than fires or landfill. 
Some old paper stuff – Beethoven’s manuscripts for example, are probably worth 
a lot of money. VB6 or Java books, not so much ☺

I suspect a lot of these have been digitised already – if not, perhaps you 
could?

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom P
Sent: Saturday, 20 February 2016 9:54 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: [OT] Old books

Haha was hoping to avoid that if possible. Surely someone has a use for them. 
Or maybe not lol

On Saturday, 20 February 2016, Craig van Nieuwkerk 
> wrote:
Winter is coming, they are good in the fire.

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Tom P 
> 
wrote:
Does any one here know what I can do with old programming books? I inherited 
most from family and friends and most are quite old, maybe 10-20 years old. MFC 
c++, .Net 2.0, vb6, Java and so on.

RE: [OT] New PC no video

[Ken Schaefer]

Could it be that someone’s already had a play with the board? Seems like an odd 
configuration, and if it were normal, I’d guess that it’d be the #1-10 hits on 
Google as every man and his dog would be running into the same problem.

Also, just a thought, if the board supports Intel vPro, then the AMT feature 
would allow someone to reconfigure the BIOS over the LAN, thus getting around 
the Catch 22 situation you describe.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Saturday, 23 January 2016 6:04 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: [OT] New PC no video

My friend just rang to say he got the new box working, but in a way the 
confused and worried him. He also could get no video out of the motherboard, so 
in desperation he stuck a video card in, and it worked. Then in the BIOS screen 
he set it to use "onboard video" (which normally has to be the default), after 
which it works without the video card. So how stupid is that?! A perfect 
Catch-22 .. you can't configure the video to work until you get the video 
working. Sheesh! I'wondering if the ASRock board come out of the factory with 
the wrong settings -- GK

On 23 January 2016 at 17:43, Ian Thomas 
> wrote:
We couldn't even get the BIOS screen to show -- GK
That’s tell-tale for RAM not seated, and/or CPU. I’m not sure with these new 
MBs whether there is a connection to a speaker but it was used as a useful 
fault detection by a pattern of “beeps”. Your MB’s guide may show a pattern of 
LEDs for fault diagnosis (green/red lights on the board).

Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

RE: Have Surface Pro 4 multi monitor Display issues been resolved?

[Ken Schaefer]

DisplayPost ports support multiple streams, so you can either use an MST hub to 
split the stream -or- you can just buy a monitor that supports daisychaining 
(DP-in and DP-out), and you can daisychain your monitors together. The Intel HD 
GPUs support 4 streams (one is for the internal display, so 3 external monitors)

My understanding is that the Intel GPU in the SB can drive 2 x 4K external 
monitors plus the on-board display. I'm surprised that the SP4 can only drive 
3x external monitors at 1080i as there seems to be sufficient grunt and 
bandwidth in the Intel HD chips to drive more.

Personally though, I'd just buy a 4k monitor. :) You get the same pixels as 4 x 
1080i monitors, in a lot less space and no annoying bezels dividing up your 
screen.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Adrian Halid
Sent: Monday, 11 January 2016 2:52 PM
To: 'ozDotNet' 
Subject: RE: Have Surface Pro 4 multi monitor Display issues been resolved?

Thanks  Will check it out

Regards

Adrian Halid

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Loo
Sent: Monday, 11 January 2016 11:33 AM
To: 'ozDotNet' >
Subject: RE: Have Surface Pro 4 multi monitor Display issues been resolved?

Hi Adrian

You can buy a MST Hub that can connect up to 4 monitors (1920 x 1080 max) on a 
single display port.

Check out ALogic MST Hub for DisplayPort.

I bought one for SP3 and SP4, but I have now moved away from multiple monitors 
and purchased a 40 inch UHD 4K monitor which is like have having 4 x Full HD 
monitors.

Regards,
David Loo

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Halid
Sent: Monday, 11 January 2016 11:16 AM
To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: Have Surface Pro 4 multi monitor Display issues been resolved?

Just wanted to see if there was an update on if the display issues have been 
resolved on the surface pro 4.

I want to switch to a Surface Pro 4 to make travelling easier and replace my 
large Dell Latitude E6530 laptop.

I currently use a dell dock which allows me to use the 3 external displays plus 
the laptop display


1.   1920x1080 (laptop)

2.   1200x1920 (Dell U2412M)

3.   1200x1920 (Dell U2412M)

4.   2560x1440 (Asus PB278Q)

I am hoping that I can still have 4 displays with a surface pro 4 and the 
docking station.
But don't think this is possible as there are only 2 mini display ports on the 
dock.


Regards

Adrian Halid

RE: [OT] New laptop

[Ken Schaefer]

I can’t say that this is a 100% fix, but I’ve had 0 display driver crashes 
since installing this yesterday evening. Looking good at this stage.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, 3 December 2015 4:22 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] New laptop

Display driver issue update - 
http://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-releasing-new-display-driver-surface-pro-4


On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 at 21:05 Dave Walker 
<rangitat...@gmail.com<mailto:rangitat...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Another option(s) are Lenovos - I really like the look of the Yoga pro 3 and 
the X1 Carbon. X1 carbon is in the 'black friday' sale they have as well..

On 30 November 2015 at 22:28, David Rhys Jones 
<djones...@gmail.com<mailto:djones...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On a bit of a tangent, I started a new job a couple of weeks ago and was given 
a Dell Inspiron 7000, with windows 10 installed.  It was randomly resetting, 
locking up or keys stopped working. I searched on the web for solutions and 
came up with graphic card drivers as the cause, it wasn't

Eventually I installed a personal copy of Norton on my work machine, it found 
20+ viruses non of which Defender had caught. Then I ran this script to clean 
up the image.

fsutil resource setautoreset true c:\ usn deletejournal /d /n 
c: /online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup& 
/scannow /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth /scannow 
/Online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup /ResetBase

After that it's been a joy to use.

Davy.


Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.


On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 2:14 AM, Tom Rutter 
<therut...@gmail.com<mailto:therut...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Any updates on the surface book guys? Any deal breakers pop up? I'm probably 
going to put in an order today and break the bank so thought I'd check one last 
time just in case lol

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Stephen Price 
<step...@perthprojects.com<mailto:step...@perthprojects.com>> wrote:
Still early days but so far it's the best laptop I've owned. Ever.

On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 at 9:33 AM, Tom Rutter 
<therut...@gmail.com<mailto:therut...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Have any devs here had a play with the surface book yet? Thoughts?

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 8:18 PM, DotNet Dude 
<adotnetd...@gmail.com<mailto:adotnetd...@gmail.com>> wrote:
In case anyone here hasn't heard yet and is interested the new Surface Book 
will apparently be available in Oz on Nov 12th. Looks to be expensive though

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:10 AM, DotNet Dude 
<adotnetd...@gmail.com<mailto:adotnetd...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I also read somewhere next version of Surface Pro likely to be announced oct 6 
so anyone interested may want to wait to see what happens there


On Thursday, 24 September 2015, Ken Schaefer 
<k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
Microsoft are going to start offering Signature editions via their new stores 
in Aus (first one opening soon-ish in Sydney). They might offer the same online 
I guess, once the store opens.



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Wednesday, 23 September 2015 3:57 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Re: [OT] New laptop

Any things to look out for if I buy direct from US? I've always purchased 
locally

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) 
<eddie.deb...@gmail.com<mailto:eddie.deb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The Signature Editions are the exact same machines (HP, Lenovo, etc) BUT 
stripped bare of all the crapware.. From what I remember reading when Microsoft 
first started with them, it’s a clean windows install, with all the correct 
tweeks, drivers etc to get the most out of the hardware..

Here is a link to their US store: 
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/cat/categoryID.69916600


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Friday, 28 August 2015 2:11 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Re: [OT] New laptop

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) 
<eddie.deb...@gmail.com<mailto:eddie.deb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
This is where Microsoft could really make a difference, if they would stop 
thinking about just the US and make the Signature Edition laptops/PCs available 
in Australia…

Do they make them (or rebadge) ?  If the former, whose their manufacturer?


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Koster
Sent: Friday, 28 August 2015 10:09 AM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<

RE: [OT] New laptop

[Ken Schaefer]

I agree that this probably isn’t Surface Book specific – I was talking to some 
of our EUC guys last week, and they’re reporting the same problems on the new 
Skylake Lenovo laptops we’ve been given for testing as well.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Paul Glavich
Sent: Monday, 30 November 2015 8:29 AM
To: 'ozDotNet' <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: RE: [OT] New laptop

>> Display driver still crashes, but not as often as prior to the last system 
>> update.
I get this all the time for my Intel driver. I am not on a surface book though, 
just a regular gigabyte P34. My colleague also gets the display driver crashing 
regularly and restarting causing small pauses as it recovers. Happens to me a 
few times a day since the latest Win10 update.


-  Glav

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Friday, 27 November 2015 12:45 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: RE: [OT] New laptop

Mine’s arguably getting less stable – several BSODs over the past few days 
(INTERNAL_POWER_ERROR) after redocking. Either that, or the unit just locks up 
requiring a power-off.
Display driver still crashes, but not as often as prior to the last system 
update.

Hardware wise, it’s a great laptop (do take note of Stephen’s comment re being 
able to push the screen back – it makes it important to have your desk at the 
right height to allow you to use it ergonomically. Same issue that affected the 
Lenovo Helix, Samsung Ativ etc.). It’s just a pity that the software lets it 
down. On the positive note, software issues can be fixed relatively easily I 
guess.

RE: Bindings

[Ken Schaefer]

applicationHost.config is in %systemdrive%\windows\system32\inetsrv\config and 
holds machine-wide IIS settings (as well as site specific settings, using 
 tags)

Additional settings can be in the web.config located in the root folder of 
whichever website is hosting https://mysite.com.au (I’m guessing that’s 
port-forwarded/proxied to Default Web Site, but could be forwarded to any 
website IIS is hosting. In IIS Manager, then look at the properties of the 
website to find it’s root folder. See if there’s a web.config file there.

Cheers
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Tony Wright
Sent: Monday, 23 November 2015 3:53 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: Bindings

Which web.config? Which applicationHost.config?

I have had a look in web.config and machine.config but can't see anything 
there. (The only redirects are assembly redirects!)



On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Ken Schaefer 
<k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
SSRS registers an endpoint directly with http.sys IIRC, so that’s why you don’t 
see it in IIS Manager

In web.config or applicationHost.config, do you see any redirect directives?

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On 
Behalf Of Tony Wright
Sent: Monday, 23 November 2015 3:21 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Bindings

Hi all,

I have both SSRS and TFS installed on a server. Whenever I try to access a URL 
on a 2012R2 Standard server, even if it is just the base url 
(https://mysite.com.au) it redirects to the tfs site.

I do not want the base url automatically redirecting to the tfs site.

I have looked at the Bindings and can see TFS, which has the bindings set to:
http (no host name) Port:8080, IP Address=*
https (no host name) Port 443, IP Address=*

SSRS is not even listed as an IIS site and its configuration must be accessed 
via the Reporting Services Configuration Manager, which shows that I have a 
ReportServer virtual directory set up on Port 80. No certificate is set.

Currently, if I go to https://mysite.com.au, it redirects to 
https://10.20.30.40/tfs. (not the real ip address.)  The https is crossed out 
(certificate problems.)

How can I stop it from redirecting everything to this tfs instance except when 
I specifically request /tfs?

Regards,
Tony

RE: [OT] New laptop

[Ken Schaefer]

3.5kg…

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of osjasonrobe...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, 17 November 2015 12:22 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] New laptop

Anyone have any thoughts on the upcoming quad core Xeon based lenovos?

http://www.notebookreview.com/feature/lenovo-thinkpad-p50-and-p70-first-look-preview/

Jason Roberts
Journeyman Software Developer

Twitter: @robertsjason
Blog: http://DontCodeTired.com
Pluralsight Courses: http://bit.ly/psjasonroberts

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From: Ken Schaefer<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>
Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎17‎ ‎November‎ ‎2015 ‎9‎:‎10‎ ‎AM
To: ozDotNet<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>

I’ve found my keyboard and touchpad to be fine. But then I don’t really care 
what keyboard I use, and I don’t use touchpads (external mouse for me). That 
said, the touchpad is quite good.

Of the main problems reported re the SB:

a)  BSODs – I’ve had one – related to the video card drivers

b)  Video card driver falling over – happens to me all the time – maybe 
once every 30 minutes. Screen freezes for a fraction of a second then comes 
back. Possibly a problem if you are in the middle of a game, but no biggie if 
just doing regular work.

c)   Losing cursor when undocking/redocking – haven’t had this happen me

d)  Popping audio – haven’t had this either

Screen is bright, undock works well. Hoping that the various problems can be 
solved via software updates.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Tuesday, 17 November 2015 11:49 AM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Re: [OT] New laptop

Any dislikes yet?
How are the keyboard and touchpad?

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Stephen Price 
<step...@perthprojects.com<mailto:step...@perthprojects.com>> wrote:
Still early days but so far it's the best laptop I've owned. Ever.

On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 at 9:33 AM, Tom Rutter 
<therut...@gmail.com<mailto:therut...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Have any devs here had a play with the surface book yet? Thoughts?

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 8:18 PM, DotNet Dude 
<adotnetd...@gmail.com<mailto:adotnetd...@gmail.com>> wrote:
In case anyone here hasn't heard yet and is interested the new Surface Book 
will apparently be available in Oz on Nov 12th. Looks to be expensive though

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:10 AM, DotNet Dude 
<adotnetd...@gmail.com<mailto:adotnetd...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I also read somewhere next version of Surface Pro likely to be announced oct 6 
so anyone interested may want to wait to see what happens there


On Thursday, 24 September 2015, Ken Schaefer 
<k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
Microsoft are going to start offering Signature editions via their new stores 
in Aus (first one opening soon-ish in Sydney). They might offer the same online 
I guess, once the store opens.



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Wednesday, 23 September 2015 3:57 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Re: [OT] New laptop

Any things to look out for if I buy direct from US? I've always purchased 
locally

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) 
<eddie.deb...@gmail.com<mailto:eddie.deb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The Signature Editions are the exact same machines (HP, Lenovo, etc) BUT 
stripped bare of all the crapware.. From what I remember reading when Microsoft 
first started with them, it’s a clean windows install, with all the correct 
tweeks, drivers etc to get the most out of the hardware..

Here is a link to their US store: 
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/cat/categoryID.69916600


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Friday, 28 August 2015 2:11 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Re: [OT] New laptop

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) 
<eddie.deb...@gmail.com<mailto:eddie.deb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
This is where Microsoft could really make a difference, if they would stop 
thinking about just the US and make the Signature Edition laptops/PCs available 
in Australia…

Do they make them (or rebadge) ?  If the former, whose their manufacturer?


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Koster
Sent: Friday, 

RE: [OT] New laptop

[Ken Schaefer]

I’ve found my keyboard and touchpad to be fine. But then I don’t really care 
what keyboard I use, and I don’t use touchpads (external mouse for me). That 
said, the touchpad is quite good.

Of the main problems reported re the SB:

a)  BSODs – I’ve had one – related to the video card drivers

b)  Video card driver falling over – happens to me all the time – maybe 
once every 30 minutes. Screen freezes for a fraction of a second then comes 
back. Possibly a problem if you are in the middle of a game, but no biggie if 
just doing regular work.

c)   Losing cursor when undocking/redocking – haven’t had this happen me

d)  Popping audio – haven’t had this either

Screen is bright, undock works well. Hoping that the various problems can be 
solved via software updates.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Tuesday, 17 November 2015 11:49 AM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] New laptop

Any dislikes yet?
How are the keyboard and touchpad?

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Stephen Price 
<step...@perthprojects.com<mailto:step...@perthprojects.com>> wrote:
Still early days but so far it's the best laptop I've owned. Ever.

On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 at 9:33 AM, Tom Rutter 
<therut...@gmail.com<mailto:therut...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Have any devs here had a play with the surface book yet? Thoughts?

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 8:18 PM, DotNet Dude 
<adotnetd...@gmail.com<mailto:adotnetd...@gmail.com>> wrote:
In case anyone here hasn't heard yet and is interested the new Surface Book 
will apparently be available in Oz on Nov 12th. Looks to be expensive though

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:10 AM, DotNet Dude 
<adotnetd...@gmail.com<mailto:adotnetd...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I also read somewhere next version of Surface Pro likely to be announced oct 6 
so anyone interested may want to wait to see what happens there


On Thursday, 24 September 2015, Ken Schaefer 
<k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
Microsoft are going to start offering Signature editions via their new stores 
in Aus (first one opening soon-ish in Sydney). They might offer the same online 
I guess, once the store opens.



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Wednesday, 23 September 2015 3:57 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Re: [OT] New laptop

Any things to look out for if I buy direct from US? I've always purchased 
locally

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) 
<eddie.deb...@gmail.com<mailto:eddie.deb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The Signature Editions are the exact same machines (HP, Lenovo, etc) BUT 
stripped bare of all the crapware.. From what I remember reading when Microsoft 
first started with them, it’s a clean windows install, with all the correct 
tweeks, drivers etc to get the most out of the hardware..

Here is a link to their US store: 
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/cat/categoryID.69916600


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Friday, 28 August 2015 2:11 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Re: [OT] New laptop

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) 
<eddie.deb...@gmail.com<mailto:eddie.deb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
This is where Microsoft could really make a difference, if they would stop 
thinking about just the US and make the Signature Edition laptops/PCs available 
in Australia…

Do they make them (or rebadge) ?  If the former, whose their manufacturer?


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Koster
Sent: Friday, 28 August 2015 10:09 AM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Re: [OT] New laptop

On 27 August 2015 at 19:28, 
<osjasonrobe...@gmail.com<mailto:osjasonrobe...@gmail.com>> wrote:
What’s peoples views on Lenovo ATM given there have been a few PR things happen 
in the last 12 months…? price v performance v reliability?

Are you talking about Superfish?

http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/02/lenovo-pcs-ship-with-man-in-the-middle-adware-that-breaks-https-connections/

Consider how this could have happened and all the people who would have had to 
sign off on this. I'll let people make up their own minds about the competence 
and trustworthiness of Lenovo...

--
Thomas Koster




--
Meski
 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv


"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll 
get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

RE: Mobile passwords

[Ken Schaefer]

I think the PIN idea is good, as long as you’re able to tie it to some unique 
device hardware ID. Then you have a form of two-factor authentication 
(something you have + something you know). This does limit the end user to only 
being able to use their PIN with a single active/authorised device though.

Another alternatives would be to use one-time pad or token (e.g. SMS a unique 
security code for each login)

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Wednesday, 11 November 2015 2:25 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: Mobile passwords

I like how some apps (banking in particular) map the login details to a 4 digit 
pin on the device. Gets rid of this problem.

Hey Dude, I had a chat the person managing this app and they said the customer 
wants to stick with mixed case passwords. So for now, it's reduced to a human 
problem that's solved by emailing out some instructions to the users.

iPads are a bit too slick with the keyboards though, and case changing does 
require caution. Although I think my iOS might be a bit old and I vaguely 
recall reading that Apple recently changed the behaviour slightly.

In future though I'm going to remember this problem and consider using PINs 
where it's suitable.

GK

RE: [OT] SSL testing

[Ken Schaefer]

Reminds me of:

[cid:image001.jpg@01D11886.43AF47E0]

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Friday, 6 November 2015 10:44 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: [OT] SSL testing

Maybe that rating site is a hacker site and anyone who has run the script is 
now compromised?
On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 at 5:31 AM, Greg Keogh 
> wrote:
I ran this powershell on a win 2012 r2 machine and went from C to A with a 
reboot
https://www.hass.de/content/setup-your-iis-ssl-perfect-forward-secrecy-and-tls-12

Likewise, my domain went from F to an A with this script. Now I can sleep. It's 
a worry how many admins probably don't know about this rating system or the 
test procedure.

I see that to get an A+ I'd have to install a handler, which is too much 
fragile work for little return. My domain is only for software testing anyway 
-- GK

RE: [OT] Office 365

[Ken Schaefer]

Of course. But the “who uses SharePoint?” question kinda implies that 
SharePoint’s been superseded in all areas that it does (document storage, 
workflow, calendaring, collaboration etc.). So, I’m not asking for a ERP 
system, or a CRM or something that people might have shoe-horned into 
SharePoint before. But just looking at SharePoint’s core functionality 
(document lists, Office integration, AD integration etc.), is there anything 
that people are flocking to now that is, arguably, superior to the way 
SharePoint works (whether it be scalability, ease of use, extensibility, 3rd 
party add-in support, whatever)

I realise this is a bit vague, but I’ve only just started on this, so I haven’t 
yet compiled a list of requirements yet.


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Michael Ridland
Sent: Monday, 2 November 2015 2:25 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] Office 365


Wouldn't this all depend on your requirements?

Thanks


Michael Ridland | Technical Director | Xamarin MVP

XAM Consulting - Mobile Technology Specialists

www.xam-consulting.com<http://www.xam-consulting.com/>

Blog: www.michaelridland.com<http://www.michaelridland.com>



On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Ken Schaefer 
<k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
Serious question – I have to look at this at work right now. We have 
SharePoint, but if there’s alternatives out there that people recommend (for a 
corporate environment), then I’d be keen to look into them

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On 
Behalf Of DotNet Dude
Sent: Monday, 2 November 2015 12:57 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Re: [OT] Office 365

Damn I've been busted ummmm... lotus notes

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Ken Schaefer 
<k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
What alternatives would you recommend?

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On 
Behalf Of DotNet Dude
Sent: Sunday, 1 November 2015 7:04 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Re: [OT] Office 365

People still use sharepoint? Lol

On Sunday, 1 November 2015, Stephen Price 
<step...@perthprojects.com<mailto:step...@perthprojects.com>> wrote:
Actually did some more reading and it looks like the business version gives you 
access to Lync (for business), Sharepoint and I think collaborative office 
editing. As well as the Home stuff. All of which I am not using so don't need. 
I think Office 365 Home is the way to go for me right now.

On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 at 15:32 DotNet Dude 
<adotnetd...@gmail.com<mailto:adotnetd...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>From what I've heard (which is very little)
the business version gives you more control in the "dashboard" to customise 
stuff. I also don't think you're meant to use non-business versions for 
commercial use, whatever that means. 

On Sunday, 1 November 2015, Stephen Price 
<step...@perthprojects.com<mailto:step...@perthprojects.com>> wrote:
Hey all,

I know a few here use Office 365 (from previous threads) and was wondering if 
anyone is using the Office 365 Business? Trying to work out what it gives you 
and so far it looks exactly the same as the Home version except its more 
expensive. Perhaps business support is the extra?

I'm currently using the freebie given to me via my msdn account and its great. 
Its called Office 365 Developer Subscription. Its not documented anywhere that 
that is, but it says I'm using Office 365 Personal except I have +1 install (2 
total) when compared with the real Office 365 Personal product.
I have a few more machines than that, and have decided to drop Dropbox (its in 
the name... they have been telling to do it all along...) and make OneDrive my 
main cloud storage. So wanted a couple more installs (and figure if i'm not 
paying for Dropbox anymore that can pay for Office 365.

Going to go with Office 365 Home, but curious what the Office 365 Business 
Premium gives you. They only compare it with the other Business products, can't 
find a Home vs Business comparison. Not one that spells it out...

RE: Sql Server Patch Scripts

[Ken Schaefer]

Oops –I replied to the wrong email ☺

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Tuesday, 3 November 2015 10:42 AM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: RE: Sql Server Patch Scripts

The other option might be to keep the Billion as a mere modem+NAT+router, then 
stick something behind that to handle your internal LAN and WiFi etc. I do that 
with a DLink 2890AL acting solely as a moden+NAT (turned off WiFi, single LAN 
uplink). I then have a Cisco SG-300 L3 switch (does routing, switching etc.) to 
handle the core LAN functionality, and a (getting old now) DLink  DAP2310 WAP 
from their “business range”. I’ve found that to be a lot more solid than 
relying on the “SOHO” all-in-one boxes, which just seem to get overloaded and 
fall over every so often. The SG-300 has a good web interface, as well as 
excellent doco. The DAP2310 not so much, but still easy to configure unless 
you’re going into the more advance functions (like VLANs) where the doco starts 
to get ambiguous.

Cheers
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Burstin
Sent: Monday, 2 November 2015 3:16 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Re: Sql Server Patch Scripts

We use SQL Server projects for patching, version controlled with git.

For schema changes, we run a compare on the project and the dev database 
(assuming that is where the schema changes are) and create an upgrade script 
from that.

For actual data changes to be applied, we create separate scripts in the sql 
project specifically for those.

This seems to work pretty well for us. YMMV.

Cheers
Dave

On 2 November 2015 at 14:53, Grant Castner 
<gcast...@outlook.com.au<mailto:gcast...@outlook.com.au>> wrote:
Hi Tony,
We use dbup (https://dbup.github.io/) - it allows you to create a small visual 
studio project so that you can track scripts as well as check them in.

Cheers,
Grant


Grant Castner
Phone: 0458 770 749
Twitter: https://twitter.com/grantcastner
LinkedIn: 
au.linkedin.com/pub/grant-castner<http://au.linkedin.com/pub/grant-castner>



Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 14:48:56 +1100
Subject: Sql Server Patch Scripts
From: tonyw...@gmail.com<mailto:tonyw...@gmail.com>
To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>

Hi all,

Almost every system I have developed has been against a SQL Server database, 
and every environment has needed to be patched as greenfields projects 
introduce new changes.

The reality is that I have found providing patch scripts for sql server quite 
problematic and have never been very happy about what we do to apply patch 
scripts.

I want to know what scripts have been applied to a database, and I also want to 
know that scripts applied are transactional (that is, if a script "breaks" when 
applied, nothing has changed.) I also want to be able to add data to be 
inserted into tables to my scripts.

What are people currently doing to solve these issues?

Warm regards,
Tony

RE: Sql Server Patch Scripts

[Ken Schaefer]

The other option might be to keep the Billion as a mere modem+NAT+router, then 
stick something behind that to handle your internal LAN and WiFi etc. I do that 
with a DLink 2890AL acting solely as a moden+NAT (turned off WiFi, single LAN 
uplink). I then have a Cisco SG-300 L3 switch (does routing, switching etc.) to 
handle the core LAN functionality, and a (getting old now) DLink  DAP2310 WAP 
from their “business range”. I’ve found that to be a lot more solid than 
relying on the “SOHO” all-in-one boxes, which just seem to get overloaded and 
fall over every so often. The SG-300 has a good web interface, as well as 
excellent doco. The DAP2310 not so much, but still easy to configure unless 
you’re going into the more advance functions (like VLANs) where the doco starts 
to get ambiguous.

Cheers
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Burstin
Sent: Monday, 2 November 2015 3:16 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: Sql Server Patch Scripts

We use SQL Server projects for patching, version controlled with git.

For schema changes, we run a compare on the project and the dev database 
(assuming that is where the schema changes are) and create an upgrade script 
from that.

For actual data changes to be applied, we create separate scripts in the sql 
project specifically for those.

This seems to work pretty well for us. YMMV.

Cheers
Dave

On 2 November 2015 at 14:53, Grant Castner 
> wrote:
Hi Tony,
We use dbup (https://dbup.github.io/) - it allows you to create a small visual 
studio project so that you can track scripts as well as check them in.

Cheers,
Grant


Grant Castner
Phone: 0458 770 749
Twitter: https://twitter.com/grantcastner
LinkedIn: 
au.linkedin.com/pub/grant-castner



Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 14:48:56 +1100
Subject: Sql Server Patch Scripts
From: tonyw...@gmail.com
To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com

Hi all,

Almost every system I have developed has been against a SQL Server database, 
and every environment has needed to be patched as greenfields projects 
introduce new changes.

The reality is that I have found providing patch scripts for sql server quite 
problematic and have never been very happy about what we do to apply patch 
scripts.

I want to know what scripts have been applied to a database, and I also want to 
know that scripts applied are transactional (that is, if a script "breaks" when 
applied, nothing has changed.) I also want to be able to add data to be 
inserted into tables to my scripts.

What are people currently doing to solve these issues?

Warm regards,
Tony

RE: [OT] Office 365

[Ken Schaefer]

What alternatives would you recommend?

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of DotNet Dude
Sent: Sunday, 1 November 2015 7:04 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: [OT] Office 365

People still use sharepoint? Lol

On Sunday, 1 November 2015, Stephen Price 
> wrote:
Actually did some more reading and it looks like the business version gives you 
access to Lync (for business), Sharepoint and I think collaborative office 
editing. As well as the Home stuff. All of which I am not using so don't need. 
I think Office 365 Home is the way to go for me right now.

On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 at 15:32 DotNet Dude 
> 
wrote:
>From what I've heard (which is very little)
the business version gives you more control in the "dashboard" to customise 
stuff. I also don't think you're meant to use non-business versions for 
commercial use, whatever that means. 

On Sunday, 1 November 2015, Stephen Price 
>
 wrote:
Hey all,

I know a few here use Office 365 (from previous threads) and was wondering if 
anyone is using the Office 365 Business? Trying to work out what it gives you 
and so far it looks exactly the same as the Home version except its more 
expensive. Perhaps business support is the extra?

I'm currently using the freebie given to me via my msdn account and its great. 
Its called Office 365 Developer Subscription. Its not documented anywhere that 
that is, but it says I'm using Office 365 Personal except I have +1 install (2 
total) when compared with the real Office 365 Personal product.
I have a few more machines than that, and have decided to drop Dropbox (its in 
the name... they have been telling to do it all along...) and make OneDrive my 
main cloud storage. So wanted a couple more installs (and figure if i'm not 
paying for Dropbox anymore that can pay for Office 365.

Going to go with Office 365 Home, but curious what the Office 365 Business 
Premium gives you. They only compare it with the other Business products, can't 
find a Home vs Business comparison. Not one that spells it out...

RE: [OT] Office 365

[Ken Schaefer]

Serious question – I have to look at this at work right now. We have 
SharePoint, but if there’s alternatives out there that people recommend (for a 
corporate environment), then I’d be keen to look into them

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of DotNet Dude
Sent: Monday, 2 November 2015 12:57 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] Office 365

Damn I've been busted u... lotus notes

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Ken Schaefer 
<k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
What alternatives would you recommend?

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On 
Behalf Of DotNet Dude
Sent: Sunday, 1 November 2015 7:04 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Re: [OT] Office 365

People still use sharepoint? Lol

On Sunday, 1 November 2015, Stephen Price 
<step...@perthprojects.com<mailto:step...@perthprojects.com>> wrote:
Actually did some more reading and it looks like the business version gives you 
access to Lync (for business), Sharepoint and I think collaborative office 
editing. As well as the Home stuff. All of which I am not using so don't need. 
I think Office 365 Home is the way to go for me right now.

On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 at 15:32 DotNet Dude 
<adotnetd...@gmail.com<mailto:adotnetd...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>From what I've heard (which is very little)
the business version gives you more control in the "dashboard" to customise 
stuff. I also don't think you're meant to use non-business versions for 
commercial use, whatever that means. 

On Sunday, 1 November 2015, Stephen Price 
<step...@perthprojects.com<mailto:step...@perthprojects.com>> wrote:
Hey all,

I know a few here use Office 365 (from previous threads) and was wondering if 
anyone is using the Office 365 Business? Trying to work out what it gives you 
and so far it looks exactly the same as the Home version except its more 
expensive. Perhaps business support is the extra?

I'm currently using the freebie given to me via my msdn account and its great. 
Its called Office 365 Developer Subscription. Its not documented anywhere that 
that is, but it says I'm using Office 365 Personal except I have +1 install (2 
total) when compared with the real Office 365 Personal product.
I have a few more machines than that, and have decided to drop Dropbox (its in 
the name... they have been telling to do it all along...) and make OneDrive my 
main cloud storage. So wanted a couple more installs (and figure if i'm not 
paying for Dropbox anymore that can pay for Office 365.

Going to go with Office 365 Home, but curious what the Office 365 Business 
Premium gives you. They only compare it with the other Business products, can't 
find a Home vs Business comparison. Not one that spells it out...

RE: [OT] New laptop

[Ken Schaefer]

Microsoft are going to start offering Signature editions via their new stores 
in Aus (first one opening soon-ish in Sydney). They might offer the same online 
I guess, once the store opens.



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Wednesday, 23 September 2015 3:57 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: [OT] New laptop

Any things to look out for if I buy direct from US? I've always purchased 
locally

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) 
> wrote:
The Signature Editions are the exact same machines (HP, Lenovo, etc) BUT 
stripped bare of all the crapware.. From what I remember reading when Microsoft 
first started with them, it’s a clean windows install, with all the correct 
tweeks, drivers etc to get the most out of the hardware..

Here is a link to their US store: 
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/cat/categoryID.69916600


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Friday, 28 August 2015 2:11 PM
To: ozDotNet >
Subject: Re: [OT] New laptop

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) 
> wrote:
This is where Microsoft could really make a difference, if they would stop 
thinking about just the US and make the Signature Edition laptops/PCs available 
in Australia…

Do they make them (or rebadge) ?  If the former, whose their manufacturer?


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Thomas Koster
Sent: Friday, 28 August 2015 10:09 AM
To: ozDotNet >
Subject: Re: [OT] New laptop

On 27 August 2015 at 19:28, 
> wrote:
What’s peoples views on Lenovo ATM given there have been a few PR things happen 
in the last 12 months…? price v performance v reliability?

Are you talking about Superfish?

http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/02/lenovo-pcs-ship-with-man-in-the-middle-adware-that-breaks-https-connections/

Consider how this could have happened and all the people who would have had to 
sign off on this. I'll let people make up their own minds about the competence 
and trustworthiness of Lenovo...

--
Thomas Koster




--
Meski
 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv


"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll 
get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

RE: Odd text encoding

[Ken Schaefer]

Well, there are no guarantees about what we’ll see in the future, but here’s 
some stats for what’s come in the past:
http://pages.experts-exchange.com/processing-power-compared/
e.g. from 1956 through to 2015 has seen a trillion-fold increase in FLOPs. 
Something that would have been a 5000 year problem in 1956 probably would been 
solved a decade ago.

To Greg’s point – storage access speeds have also been increasing pretty 
quickly. I believe Samsung showed off a 16TB 2.5” flash drive recently, with a 
demo of 48 of these in a server, providing 768TB of storage, and 2m IOPS. 
That’s only going to get faster and faster over time.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Bec C
Sent: Friday, 11 September 2015 4:59 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: Odd text encoding

I get your point Ken but is power really increasing at such a rate?

On Friday, 11 September 2015, Ken Schaefer 
<k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
And what would those numbers have looked like 2 years ago? 4 years ago? 10 
years ago?

Assuming computing power doubles every 18-24 months, then that 5444 years will 
become a lot less, relatively quickly.

From: 
ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com');>
 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com');>]
 On Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Friday, 11 September 2015 10:15 AM
To: ozDotNet 
<ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com');>>
Subject: Re: Odd text encoding

but because they were concerned about the possibility of running out of bigint 
values. (Clearly it’s a pity more maths isn’t taught at schools).

My PC can do a for int loop up to 2^30 in about 20 seconds. To get to 2^63 
non-stop it will take 5444 years -- GK

RE: Odd text encoding

[Ken Schaefer]

Security is more than just permitting/denying access. Security is also about 
maintaining your data’s integrity/fidelity. I think that’s what Davy was 
alluding to.


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Nelson
Sent: Thursday, 10 September 2015 8:00 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: Odd text encoding


>> it's usually more secure to store as base64
oh god not again. base64 is just a representation of the data in printable 
ASCII characters. -  think binary (base2), hex (base8) :)
base64 has absolutely nothing to do with security.

if security is what you are after, use proper encryption such as AES on the 
original data, then base64 the output if you need to send/store as text



Nelson Chan

On 10 September 2015 at 19:50, Davy Jones 
> wrote:
Probably because binary data was easy to put in and easy to get out, but what 
you put in is not what you get out.
There are also performance implications with binary data, it's usually more 
secure to store as base64 in a varchar(max) or text.
Absolutely no reason to store in an unicode column.
Davy

Sent from my iPhone

> On 10 Sep 2015, at 09:47, Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) 
> > wrote:
>
> The data was stored by Biztalk, and of course it shoved binary data into an 
> ntext data type column. The next two questions are:
>
> 1. Why put base 64 encoded data into an ntext (unicode) column when such a 
> limited range of values can be generated?
> 2. Why use a deprecated data type (ntext) in the first place?
>
> I'm sure that both questions are above my paygrade :-)
>
> Regards
>
> Greg
>
> Dr Greg Low
> SQL Down Under
> +61 419201410
> 1300SQLSQL (1300775775)
>
>> On 10 Sep 2015, at 5:10 pm, Thomas Koster 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> It is strange that base-64 encoding is even used here at all. Surely
>> proper binary data types have been available in relational databases
>> since the dark ages?
>> --
>> Thomas Koster
>>
>>
>>> On 10 September 2015 at 16:40, Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) 
>>> > wrote:
>>> That was my first reaction too. Haven't spent time staring at base64
>>> encoding for a long time. Knew someone would recognise it though. The brains
>>> trust comes through again!
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> Dr Greg Low
>>> SQL Down Under
>>> +61 419201410
>>> 1300SQLSQL (1300775775)
>>>
>>> On 10 Sep 2015, at 3:55 pm, Stephen Price 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> How did you get my Azure certificate? wtf??
>>>
>>> Seriously though, the trailing == on the end (plus the overall look) makes
>>> it look exactly like an Azure publish certificate.
>>>
 On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 at 08:39 Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) 
 > wrote:

 Perfect thanks Thomas.

 I'll just have to add a base64 decode function and I should be fine.

 Regards,

 Greg

 Dr Greg Low

 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 
 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
 fax
 SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com

 -Original Message-
 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
 [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
 On Behalf Of Thomas Koster
 Sent: Thursday, 10 September 2015 10:33 AM
 To: ozDotNet >
 Subject: Re: Odd text encoding

> On 10 September 2015 at 10:21, Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) 
> > wrote:
> This one’s driving me crazy and I thought the brains trust might have
> an idea.
>
> Here’s a value that’s stored in an ntext column in a SQL Server DB:
> H4sIAAAEALVW0W7aMBT9lanvre0wBkNtJEo3DWkFBGGvyDiXYi22M9vpYL/Wh33Sfm
> GGJASatKOS95KH3HvPyTk+tvPn6fe1NLg3Bas5PMIsS0H3GVOZtJGm0lBmuZJfuLFKb99t
> RCJNzw3cXKytTXsIGbYGQc2V4Ewro1b2iimBZj8SFGDcRbiNom0K8UQrBnGmwaB4qS4OQI
> S8AakCmYLJEjsDu4dD5dffg1iC/sZjUF+5/F7RdP2zTEAbJWlyB5byxFRc7/1zFQsyjEFa
> vuKM7takYmz/N8ZZJgTV24rqo3+qfeSG8hGMFU7fON2JO/KTeDX09YBXrB3/QgdKWsdWCw
> zxwjVPY2qhH8euZOocH3xwmHTxAHaRgjTOswXNbVwsaUIlg6CiC7xs61zSZK0k1AX9g8CB
> txDBaAaa04T/2m8ZdDTvJcn5FxYHAjXmp9JxxdHymaFyR6bAnCCXpZg/3yhvOZXPzGxEN3
> vnav57ydMp1y01nNUX2quLkzy6ZxwAgRc3TwLy0o1BvB7gcwNaUgH1PBIv12Au6ZNwGkol
> 4f4fIl3kOkfZ7hm2MOm0OteooVS0F6swcHAPzvuwPxjM70k58bxaDB2t2aE0GI+i6fB2Hg
> 3Ho3K8qa8OcedKn7USYYBJ+xJ3LjFpADh0NQNEqhjvOoQXxl1PaRLd5DaMV0c9IcH44FVz
> x6lrjS6f1vK359184V9pkluuCgoAAA==
>
> Somehow, that’s apparently meant to be either a) an XML file, or b) a
> GZipped XML file.

 echo "H4s" | base64 -d | gunzip

RE: Odd text encoding

[Ken Schaefer]

And what would those numbers have looked like 2 years ago? 4 years ago? 10 
years ago?

Assuming computing power doubles every 18-24 months, then that 5444 years will 
become a lot less, relatively quickly.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Friday, 11 September 2015 10:15 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: Odd text encoding

but because they were concerned about the possibility of running out of bigint 
values. (Clearly it’s a pity more maths isn’t taught at schools).

My PC can do a for int loop up to 2^30 in about 20 seconds. To get to 2^63 
non-stop it will take 5444 years -- GK

RE: [OT] New laptop

[Ken Schaefer]

What are your requirements? Size? Weight? Workload?

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Wednesday, 26 August 2015 10:06 AM
To: ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: Re: [OT] New laptop

Tried out the surface and found it too small and awkward. Keyboard was a little 
annoying

Cheers

On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Dave Walker 
rangitat...@gmail.commailto:rangitat...@gmail.com wrote:
I've heard that the surface pro works really well with it.

On 25 August 2015 at 22:01, Tom Rutter 
therut...@gmail.commailto:therut...@gmail.com wrote:
Anyone here got a new win 10 laptop lately? Recommendations?

Cheers

RE: [OT] home server

[Ken Schaefer]

N54L – Windows Server 2012 R2 with Server Essentials role (this is my WHS 
replacement)
Gen8 – Windows Server 2012 R2 Data Center Ed. (this is the VM host). On this 
box I run Exchange, AD, Forefront etc.
I have a second Gen8 which is my testing box.



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Adrian Halid
Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2015 4:40 PM
To: 'ozDotNet' ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: RE: [OT] home server

Hi Ken,

What OS are you running on your N54L?

Regards

Adrian Halid

RE: [OT] home server

[Ken Schaefer]

I think 2TB drives were the max when the hardware was released – certainly 
3TB/4TB drives work just fine in N36L/N40L etc. I’ve used 6TB drives in N54L

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Adrian Halid
Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2015 4:04 PM
To: ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: RE: [OT] home server

Hi Ian,

Best to double check what disks your HP Proliant Microserver N36L supports.

I have a N40L which uses the same storage controller as the N36L as per the 
spec sheet below.
http://www8.hp.com/h20195/v2/getpdf.aspx/c04111079.pdf?ver=17

It says a maximum of 8TB = (4 x 2 TB).

I just recently purchased the HP Proliant Gen8 Microserver as it was a great 
price. Hopefully delivered next week.
Now I too am trying to figure out how to upgrade and repurpose my N40L.

Currently it is running vmware esxi 5.1 with a windows 8.1 and Ubunut guest OS.
I am not using RAID either at the moment.

I am thinking of updating the disks 4 x 2TB and configuring it to use the 
inbuilt hardware RAID1 to get 4 GB of storage mirrored.
Then either run FreeNAS or esxi with FreeNAS as a guest.

Or maybe retire the N40L and just run everything on the new Gen8.


Regards

Adrian Halid

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of ILT
Sent: Monday, 27 July 2015 12:20 PM
To: 'ozDotNet' ozdotnet@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: RE: [OT] home server

Thanks Ken. Not having experience with server management, but finding WHS2011 
with a few add-ins a bit primitive, how would I go with the same system on my 
HP Microserver?
Would you recommend a NAS or one of these hybrid mediaserver/cloud backup 
devices as well? I’d rather add sata drive space (I do retain Tb-sized amounts 
of stuff) than spend on another box.

Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 1:58 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: [OT] home server

Windows Server 2012 R2 (with Essentials role). I have an AD domain at home, so 
I’ve joined it to that for SSO etc.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of ILT
Sent: Monday, 27 July 2015 1:35 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: [OT] home server

Ken, are you still running WHS 2011?


Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:24 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: [OT] home server

Just setup files from MSDN subscription is a couple of terabytes on my NAS. 
Granted, I could go through and delete the old stuff, but it’s probably cheaper 
to just buy a bigger disk every so often than spend time trimming a few hundred 
MBs here and there. Even something mundane as Iphone/iPad backups seem to 
consume space really quickly (64GB at a time for my wife’s phone)

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors
Sent: Sunday, 26 July 2015 6:18 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] home server

How much actual data do you guys have that you need to keep? Mulitple- 
terabytes is a sh1tload.



On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 at 11:22 Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) 
g...@greglow.commailto:g...@greglow.com wrote:
On the subject of home servers, if someone wants to make an offer on a serious 
NAS - QNAP TS-879 PRO with 24TB (8x3TB Seagate Constellation SATA3 drives), 
little “r” ping me back.

https://www.qnap.com/i/au/product/model.php?II=15

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.comhttp://www.sqldownunder.com/

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Saturday, 25 July 2015 12:05 PM
To: ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: Re: [OT] home server

I went for the 5 bay one the upgraded to an 8 bay. The 5 was then moved to our 
office and is our file server there. Love the cloud sync it means we can access 
Dropbox files without having to have the drive space on office laptops. The 
files sit on the nas and just share the folder.

Forget the model number off the top of my head but it's the ones you can expand 
with a second bay doubling the number of bays.

On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 at 6:24 am, Dave Walker 
rangitat...@gmail.commailto:rangitat...@gmail.com wrote:

Yeah I'm looking at synology as well. Any recommendations?

I was looking at a https://www.synology.com/en-us/products/DS415play with 2 3tb 
red drives for now.
On 25

RE: [OT] home server

[Ken Schaefer]

Hi,

What are the limitations you see with WHS2011? I can then let you know if that 
goes away with WSE2012.

With my setup, I’ve used a regular Windows Server 2012 R2 and added the WSE 
role – that allows you to join the server to my existing AD domain, and gives 
you all the related goodness (e.g. centralised account management etc.)

I then have a CrashPlan subscription that allows me to backup critical 
information offsite (Crashplan also supports backups locally, and to friends 
you might have).

I use DriveBender to give me folder-by-folder RAID1, rather than relying on 
hardware RAID. There’s various other software RAID systems out there you could 
also use.

I like WSE because it’s a regular Windows Server under the covers, so you can 
do a lot more than just serve files (run whatever services you want, it can act 
as a reverse proxy etc.). However if your primary use case is to serve/backup 
files, then a NAS is probably going to be simpler to manage and consume less 
power.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of ILT
Sent: Monday, 27 July 2015 2:20 PM
To: 'ozDotNet' ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: RE: [OT] home server

Thanks Ken. Not having experience with server management, but finding WHS2011 
with a few add-ins a bit primitive, how would I go with the same system on my 
HP Microserver?
Would you recommend a NAS or one of these hybrid mediaserver/cloud backup 
devices as well? I’d rather add sata drive space (I do retain Tb-sized amounts 
of stuff) than spend on another box.

Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 1:58 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: [OT] home server

Windows Server 2012 R2 (with Essentials role). I have an AD domain at home, so 
I’ve joined it to that for SSO etc.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of ILT
Sent: Monday, 27 July 2015 1:35 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: [OT] home server

Ken, are you still running WHS 2011?


Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:24 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: [OT] home server

Just setup files from MSDN subscription is a couple of terabytes on my NAS. 
Granted, I could go through and delete the old stuff, but it’s probably cheaper 
to just buy a bigger disk every so often than spend time trimming a few hundred 
MBs here and there. Even something mundane as Iphone/iPad backups seem to 
consume space really quickly (64GB at a time for my wife’s phone)

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors
Sent: Sunday, 26 July 2015 6:18 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] home server

How much actual data do you guys have that you need to keep? Mulitple- 
terabytes is a sh1tload.



On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 at 11:22 Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) 
g...@greglow.commailto:g...@greglow.com wrote:
On the subject of home servers, if someone wants to make an offer on a serious 
NAS - QNAP TS-879 PRO with 24TB (8x3TB Seagate Constellation SATA3 drives), 
little “r” ping me back.

https://www.qnap.com/i/au/product/model.php?II=15

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.comhttp://www.sqldownunder.com/

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Saturday, 25 July 2015 12:05 PM
To: ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: Re: [OT] home server

I went for the 5 bay one the upgraded to an 8 bay. The 5 was then moved to our 
office and is our file server there. Love the cloud sync it means we can access 
Dropbox files without having to have the drive space on office laptops. The 
files sit on the nas and just share the folder.

Forget the model number off the top of my head but it's the ones you can expand 
with a second bay doubling the number of bays.

On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 at 6:24 am, Dave Walker 
rangitat...@gmail.commailto:rangitat...@gmail.com wrote:

Yeah I'm looking at synology as well. Any recommendations?

I was looking at a https://www.synology.com/en-us/products/DS415play with 2 3tb 
red drives for now.
On 25 Jul 2015 09:44, Stephen Price 
step...@perthprojects.commailto:step...@perthprojects.com wrote:

Synology NAS. Any model, choose based on your storage needs.
Does all your file sharing, media stuff etc. I even got Crashplan running on it

It's brilliant

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015, 2:51 PM ILT 
il.tho

RE: [OT] Not so amusing phone story

[Ken Schaefer]

You should get a Windows Phone. There are no apps for it, so nothing ever 
changes.

Cheers
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Friday, 3 July 2015 11:27 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Not so amusing phone story

Yeah, when we get major updates to desktop software there is traditionally 
plenty of warning as you read about it magazines and get preview releases.  
Phones through don't seem to have the same culture, stuff just arrives, and 
there are so many apps from so many vendors that I suppose there's no simple 
way of maintaining awareness of everything that's changing. I certainly have no 
time or interest to read up on the ecosystem around my phone, after all, it's 
just a fancy tool and I expect it to work, consistently!

I was unfortunately wedged by the urgency of showing someone my pictures and 
taking photos and suddenly discovering the dramatic UI changes and didn't have 
time to sit down calmly, take a stress pill and think things over.

And yes, I too am confounded with anger by the growing number of weird 
gestures, verbose notifications and hidden commands on phones.

Greg K

RE: [OT] Not so amusing phone story

[Ken Schaefer]

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Friday, 3 July 2015 1:07 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Not so amusing phone story

Ken, lol. so true.

There are some underlaying questions that need answering. Like WHY are we still 
worrying about download quotas? Because we are being robbed. If the bandwidth 
is there it should be used. The system has a self modifying behaviour of going 
slow when its being over utilised. Its like putting a speed limit of 40km/hour 
on a major freeway. Make it the Autobahn! go as fast as you can

I’m assuming that this is “tongue in cheek” – you’re talking only about the 
link between your phone and the tower, but you know that actually getting data 
from somewhere requires and end-to-end connection.

RE: [OT] Not so amusing phone story

[Ken Schaefer]

Bandwidth (and the infrastructure and operations) to support it isn’t free or 
unlimited. Given that, you need some way of recouping the cost.

You could charge everyone the same and rather by queue (you just have to wait 
for your data), or you can ration by usage (use more, pay more).

Bandwidth isn’t any different to any other service in this respect.



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Friday, 3 July 2015 1:49 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Not so amusing phone story

Perhaps. I do believe that most of our imposed limitations are artificial 
fabrications to monetise. By creating a perceived shortage of something, 
creates an inflated value that would not otherwise have existed. Who says it's 
worth that? If it was suddenly it was found that there is no shortage of 
bandwidth the agreed price of said bandwidth would go down drastically. It's 
much like net neutrality, controlling data speeds for a price, but the inverse, 
controlling available download quantities for a price. Don't want.

On Fri, 3 Jul 2015 at 11:18 Ken Schaefer 
k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Friday, 3 July 2015 1:07 PM

To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Not so amusing phone story

Ken, lol. so true.

There are some underlaying questions that need answering. Like WHY are we still 
worrying about download quotas? Because we are being robbed. If the bandwidth 
is there it should be used. The system has a self modifying behaviour of going 
slow when its being over utilised. Its like putting a speed limit of 40km/hour 
on a major freeway. Make it the Autobahn! go as fast as you can

I’m assuming that this is “tongue in cheek” – you’re talking only about the 
link between your phone and the tower, but you know that actually getting data 
from somewhere requires and end-to-end connection.

RE: [OT] More targeted advertising

[Ken Schaefer]

Well, you went to a Microsoft site to activate your subscription – so I’m 
guessing you have cookies from Microsoft’s ad network.
Then, I guess any other site that’s using MSFT ad network behind the covers 
will be able to access that same data.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Friday, 29 May 2015 10:13 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: [OT] More targeted advertising

Folks, here's a Friday curiosity and frightener for you ... A few days ago I 
renewed my MSDN subscription. Last night I went to The Age newspaper web site 
and I see a rather surprising ad down the right side (see below). What worries 
me is that I only have 23 cookies from trusted sites, so somehow Fairfax and 
their ad partners have access to information about my MSDN subscription. How is 
that possible? I'm livid with anger, (partly at myself as well) because I take 
serious steps to try and avoid this sort of thing, but it makes no difference. 
Be afraid!

Greg K

[cid:image001.jpg@01D09A1C.E98B32C0]
​

RE: MSDN Subscription renewal

[Ken Schaefer]

Downloads link - Top Downloads - Community Edition. Seems like it’s VS only.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Thursday, 23 April 2015 10:40 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: MSDN Subscription renewal

I am a one-man business and good candidate, but some things are unclear from my 
reading so far. How do you actually get this product? I can't see any kind of 
registration or whatever. Do I still have an MSDN live signin like I do now 
with pages for downloads and licence key generation? It's great to be able to 
get in and take what I need (like I needed Win7 Home edition a few days ago and 
I just grabbed
the 3GB with a key). Ah, and what about some free Azure resources? I think I 
get $150/month free at the moment -- Greg

If your team is smaller than 5 people or you are an individual developer you 
can use it. I use it for my personal use outside of my company. I think it's a 
great product.

RE: WCF service and https 404

[Ken Schaefer]

What is the HTTP substatus code in the IIS log file for that website?
What does Failed Request Tracing telling you?



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Tuesday, 21 April 2015 2:42 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: WCF service and https 404

Can you put a static resource such as an image or text file in the folder to 
ensure you can access that static resource via https.

Yes, I can see https://www.orthogonal.net.au/rubyservice/setup.bmp okay, the 
svc file (Aggregation.svc) in the same location gives the 404. I'm still 
researching, but I might wait until tomorrow morning and ask my cat -- Greg K

RE: Azure and security trust

[Ken Schaefer]

Putting data “into the cloud” isn’t just about theft of data (that’s obviously 
one very important part of information security).

Information Security Management includes, at the very least:

a)  Ensuring that non-authorized parties don’t get access (so theft of 
online data via application vulnerabilities, vulnerabilities in the provider’s 
infrastructure, theft of data at rest, theft of data in transit)

b)  Ensuring that authorized parties do have access (e.g. ensuring that 
denial-of-service attacks against the application, authentication services, 
utility services can be mitigated, and when the sh*t does hit the fan, you 
don’t get finger pointing between suppliers)

c)   Ensuring information assurance: the data is valid and accurate (i.e. 
not corrupt or tampered with) and that the data can be restored to known good 
values (if required), and that there is adequate audit logs of access and 
potentially changes)

Aside from information management, there’s the whole other realm of how a 
business extends their other services (request, release, change, 
incident/problem etc. management) into a different environment. Do you have the 
skills, processes and appropriate technology (including license agreements 
etc.) to adequately manage and monitor this environment to your necessary 
regulatory and service level requirements? For small(er) orgs this is generally 
not really too much of an issue. But as the org, tech footprint and regulatory 
burden gets more complex, it rapidly becomes a nightmare.

For large orgs, especially in regulated environments, there are reams and reams 
of requirements, and getting this all squared up in a new environment (external 
or otherwise) is quite cumbersome.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Thursday, 26 February 2015 6:18 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Azure and security trust

(resend due to forgetting to remove the quoted content and thereby blowing the 
post size limit)

Chaps, thanks for the great comments on this. I've forwarded a paste-up of the 
important parts to the person I'm working with on the hospital data.

Next time I talk to someone who manages web servers or an IT department and I 
get the old argument that they don't trust putting data in the cloud, I'm gong 
to ask them to explain to me what their policies are regarding backups, 
security defense, threat models, intrusion detection, etc, and what skills they 
have. When I get a confused and indignant reply I can take the high ground in 
the argument and borrow some points from what Greg L said.

Now that we know that major governments and security services are spying on us 
by devious means, I guess there's nothing you can do against that (or a court 
order) without politicians getting involved. However, that's not a typical 
threat to a business application containing personal information. Hospitals 
aren't worried about ASIO stealing their databases, they're worried about 
complying with state and federal laws, and from what I've read so far, Azure 
management seem to be working hard to build trust in this area. I'm certainly 
feeling much more confident about Azure security after what I've read in the 
last couple of days.

I'm going to continue to develop the demo in Azure anyway, as it's really 
convenient.

Greg K

RE: [OT] Unbelievable ad tracking

[Ken Schaefer]

I don’t see an issue with targeted ads.

The collection of vast amounts of information about me, without my informed 
consent, by commercial parties in a mostly unregulated legal vacuum is somewhat 
concerning however. We’ve seen over the past couple of years how companies from 
Target to Sony to Google to RSA to Symantec have been breached, and data 
exfiltrated. Whilst you may have no objection to “corporation x” having a bunch 
of info about you, do you want to run the risk that everyone in the world also 
has that access?

Cheers
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Tuesday, 23 December 2014 9:08 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Unbelievable ad tracking

No, I too think targeted advertising is awesome. I am a consumer, and I dare 
say you are too. If you deny it then that's fine. Denial is a powerful tool for 
avoiding the truth. How many times I've found out about some tool or product or 
something for the first time and though, damnit, how did I not know about this 
already!? Targeted advertising, you have failed me!

It happened today actually. Someone showed me a device called Leap Motion, and 
seriously, its amazing. How did I miss this thing?

The whole idea of Targeted advertising is that it tells you about things you DO 
want to buy. They invent stuff so fast these days its hard to keep up. I'm 
counting on Google (or whoever) knowing what I like and telling me about it. Do 
I have to buy it? No, I still have the illusion of free will, so all is good.

p.s. For those clinging to the belief we are human beings, not numbers... Break 
it all down to the purest form and we are numbers. Maths, physics, Chemistry. 
etc. We are numbers. You think that's air you're breathing? Hmm...

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 2:54 PM, David Connors 
da...@connors.commailto:da...@connors.com wrote:
Or:

7) Sit on your arse in front of the TV watching endless shit for dickheads ads 
for stuff you DON'T want and revel in your new freedom.

I must be the only person here who thinks that targeted ads are a good idea. 
Endless ads for boat add-ons and things I can BBQ pork with ... Mmmm pork. 
Imagine if TV was that good.


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On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Stephen Price 
step...@perthprojects.commailto:step...@perthprojects.com wrote:
5.) Delete all social media accounts.
6.) Stop using any device that's connected. I forget the name of it but there 
is a security rating (class C? I forget) where no connectivity, no keyboard no 
monitor and no external drives are required. Or something along those lines.
7.) Become Amish.


On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Stuart Kinnear 
stu...@skproactive.commailto:stu...@skproactive.com wrote:
There is a few things you can do.
1) use DuckDuckGo as your search provider
2) remove all your history from Chrome (and the other browsers for that 
matter). - I got a shock and found over 155000 entries in my history dating 
back some years
3) only run your browser in private mode
 For Chrome: 
C:\Users\yourusername\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe  
--incognito

Ditto for Internet Explorer and FireFox, though off hand I cannot remember 
the command line shortcuts.
 Oh, and don't forget your phone's settings !
4) Make sure you always log out of Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn  and any other 
social media account.

Regards, Stuart




On 21 December 2014 at 10:58, DotNet Dude 
adotnetd...@gmail.commailto:adotnetd...@gmail.com wrote:
Do you use Chrome? Do you search while signed into a Google account?

On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Greg Keogh 
g...@mira.netmailto:g...@mira.net wrote:
Folks, a couple of days ago I ran a Google search for a set of fine-tipped 
pens, found them at Officeworks, and went down and bought them (as well as some 
paper and other stuff). This evening I went to this web page:

RE: AzMan viability

[Ken Schaefer]

Would AD LDS or similar be of any use?

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Monday, 15 December 2014 9:18 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: AzMan viability

Googling seemed to point to this as being a replacement.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff423674.aspx

Claims, federated identity, Simple Web token, OAuth, SAML,  AppFabric ... if 
this is the replacement then we should all be afraid. I just wanted a little 
in-process list of users and roles -- Greg K

RE: [OT] Mini portable desktop

[Ken Schaefer]

Most of these small devices will have a power brick etc, so not that 
portable…might be portable if you get a spare power supply for both home and 
work.

Why not a laptop?

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Friday, 17 October 2014 5:02 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Mini portable desktop

Nah one that I can take to work and back

On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Ken Schaefer 
k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:
You want a small desktop device – one for home and one for work?

Gigabyte Brix, Intel NUC, Apple Mac Mini all spring to mind.

Cheers
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Friday, 17 October 2014 4:36 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: [OT] Mini portable desktop

Hey all
Following on from the post regarding running windows on a mac I'm now 
considering just getting a mini desktop (the mini-er the better) for myself 
given I have a monitor at both work and home and don't really use it anywhere 
else. The smaller the better and don't need any super powers, 4gig ram is 
plenty for what i do but would like ssd.  Any recommendations?

RE: [OT] Mini portable desktop

[Ken Schaefer]

You want a small desktop device – one for home and one for work?

Gigabyte Brix, Intel NUC, Apple Mac Mini all spring to mind.

Cheers
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Friday, 17 October 2014 4:36 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: [OT] Mini portable desktop

Hey all
Following on from the post regarding running windows on a mac I'm now 
considering just getting a mini desktop (the mini-er the better) for myself 
given I have a monitor at both work and home and don't really use it anywhere 
else. The smaller the better and don't need any super powers, 4gig ram is 
plenty for what i do but would like ssd.  Any recommendations?

RE: [OT] Windows on Macbook

[Ken Schaefer]

Aren’t there a half dozen laptops out there that have specs like a MBP that you 
can run Windows? What’s so special about the MBP (assuming you don’t want to 
run MacOSX)?


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2014 9:33 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Windows on Macbook

MS should have done that instead of making the Surface :p

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Stephen Price 
step...@perthprojects.commailto:step...@perthprojects.com wrote:
Man, if Apple one day released a Mac laptop with a Windows keyboard they'd make 
a killing. But that'd be like admitting their OS is crap and they would never 
give up control over the software side of things. But seriously. Imagine a Win 
Book Pro. I'd so buy one and put windows on it. Not having a Del key drives me 
spare. Its one key for gods sake. Why do I miss it so much?


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On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 6:41 AM, Scott Barnes 
scott.bar...@gmail.commailto:scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been running windows on macs since vista .. Even at Microsoft I had an 
iMac and MacBook Pro  and have never had issues with the setup except sometimes 
boot camp and sound drivers can be hit n miss around release time ..

Performance wise I run parallels/win8 daily and it has no issues with Visual 
Studio/Blend either .. Well none for me anyway

On Monday, 13 October 2014, Tom Rutter 
therut...@gmail.commailto:therut...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey all
Anybody here have a macbook running windows? Thinking of going down this path 
coz I can't decide on any other laptop/ultrabook

RE: [OT] Windows on Macbook

[Ken Schaefer]

How extensively do you use the touchpad? Wouldn’t an external mouse is more 
ergonomic and gives you more fine grained control - especially at the high DPI 
resolutions you’d be experiencing if you were running Windows? I’ve always 
found trying to do anything in Visio, Powerpoint etc. is an exercise in 
self-harm when using a touchpad – far better to have a mouse… YMMV I guess

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2014 1:34 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Windows on Macbook

True, good point.

The touchpad on mbp is nice though. Only one that I've found usable.

On 15 Oct 2014, at 7:50 am, Ken Schaefer 
k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:
Aren’t there a half dozen laptops out there that have specs like a MBP that you 
can run Windows? What’s so special about the MBP (assuming you don’t want to 
run MacOSX)?


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2014 9:33 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Windows on Macbook

MS should have done that instead of making the Surface :p

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Stephen Price 
step...@perthprojects.commailto:step...@perthprojects.com wrote:
Man, if Apple one day released a Mac laptop with a Windows keyboard they'd make 
a killing. But that'd be like admitting their OS is crap and they would never 
give up control over the software side of things. But seriously. Imagine a Win 
Book Pro. I'd so buy one and put windows on it. Not having a Del key drives me 
spare. Its one key for gods sake. Why do I miss it so much?


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On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 6:41 AM, Scott Barnes 
scott.bar...@gmail.commailto:scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been running windows on macs since vista .. Even at Microsoft I had an 
iMac and MacBook Pro  and have never had issues with the setup except sometimes 
boot camp and sound drivers can be hit n miss around release time ..

Performance wise I run parallels/win8 daily and it has no issues with Visual 
Studio/Blend either .. Well none for me anyway

On Monday, 13 October 2014, Tom Rutter 
therut...@gmail.commailto:therut...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey all
Anybody here have a macbook running windows? Thinking of going down this path 
coz I can't decide on any other laptop/ultrabook

RE: [OT] Surface

[Ken Schaefer]

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Piers Williams
Sent: Friday, 19 September 2014 10:57 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: [OT] Surface


I was really surprised they went for a another clip-in arrangement. I'd always 
assumed that design was an afterthought for the S2, and for the S3 they'd get 
it right up front and put more pins in the bottom to make a drop-in dock.

The keyboard attaches at the bottom, so I don’t see how they could put pins 
there, unless they forced you to remove the keyboard prior to docking.

I wasn’t aware that there was a “right way” of creating a docking station – can 
you point me to this authority?

Traditional laptop docks do have pins on the bottom –I’ll grant you that, 
however they are a different form factor to a tablet. Secondly, just about 
every laptop dock I’ve used has consisted of a recessed area, with one or more 
raised edge(s) around it, so that you’re guided to put the laptop down in the 
right area so that the pins at the bottom line up with the receptors on the 
bottom of your laptop. This sometimes presents a problem if you have things 
attached to your laptop when you dock, as the raised guides tend to block some 
(or all) or your ports. So, there’s pluses and minuses with either design IMHO.

How does the clip-in feel to you? Sturdy? Does it always line up cleanly with 
the charging connector etc...?

There’s a groove along the bottom of the dock that’s the exact width of the 
SP3. Provided you settle the SP3 into the groove, then the pins on the arm plug 
straight into the receptor on the side. Seems prior sturdy to me.

Cheers
Ken