Re: [PAYCO] Re: Festive Message

2017-01-23 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
0749226361 On 20 Jan 2017 07:40, "'tembelani xundu' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress" wrote: > Can I get your number Poqo. You can sms it or whatsupp it to me > 0741531525/0731531525 > > > > On Thursday, January 5, 2017 2:26 PM, sipho mnguni < >

Re: [PAYCO] Re: Festive Message

2017-01-19 Thread 'tembelani xundu' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
Can I get your number Poqo. You can sms it or whatsupp it to me 0741531525/0731531525 On Thursday, January 5, 2017 2:26 PM, sipho mnguni wrote: people will come and go but the PAC will remain.therefore i urge the members to remain focus to the cause and

Re: [PAYCO] Invitation: MEN ON THE MOUNTAIN (a Pan-Afrikan "initiation" for Brothers)

2016-09-16 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Izwe lethu! Brother Buntu On 16 Sep 2016 09:13, "BabaBuntu" wrote: > *M'Afrika,* > > eBukhosini Solutions is inviting all Afrikan Brothers to > > *MEN ON THE MOUNTAIN* > > *1st October (all day)* > > *Johannesburg, Gauteng* > > > See FB link here:

Re: [PAYCO] APLA IMBIZO

2016-09-15 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
APLA National Imbizo The APLA National Imbizo will be held on: Date: 01 October 2016 Place: Bloemfontein Venue: is available and will be announced in due course. Those who wish to make accommodation arrangements, please make sure that you make bookings in Bloemfontein Central, not far from

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-14 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrade Nkrumah Meeting is where issues are discussed and resolved. The point still stands. There are two PAC NEC structures by default as we speak. we cannot deny that. They are product of PAC "conference" whether the status of those conferences is debatable, or not. That is the reason

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-14 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Cde Chargein A provincial unity meeting is planned for the October 2015, I encourage you attend provincial meetings and also there will be Vaal Regional meeting somewhere in October. Shango lashu Nkrumah On 14 Sep 2016 18:01, "Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi" wrote: > Cde

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-14 Thread Chargein Mabaso
The problem is: How do you dissolve the two contested PAC NEC structures not in a conference / congress, the highest decision-making bodies of the Party, as per the PAC Constitution? How do you convene the properly constituted PAC National Conference / Congress in line with the PAC Constitution?

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-14 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Comrade Chargein The two approaches are contradictory both can unfold simultaneously leading to a PAC UNITY National Conference, that is, Bottom-up and Dissolution of parallel NEC's the formation of a Joint Committee then PAC National Unity Conference. Shango lashu Nkrumah On 14 Sep 2016 09:40,

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-13 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Cde Chargein Conference convened by who, when there are parallel NEC's? Which Constitution become applicable to convene such a conference since Mbinda-Moloto leadership faction follows it's own adopted in 2015 while others follow GaMatlala 2000 Constitution? Will PAM accede to follow PAC

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-13 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrade Nkrumah i made my proposal in the document i drafted. I believe a special unity conference or congress should be convened to do wholistic introspextion and maximum self-criticism and ceiticism as a party, learn lessons from our successes and failures, take drastic resolutions to uproot

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-13 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Cde Chargein Point taken, then what's your proposal to defactionalise and forge principled unity? Regards Nkrumah On 13 Sep 2016 13:34, "Chargein Mabaso" wrote: > Comrade Nkrumah > > Sorry, I meant Bottom-up approach. > > The explanation you gave do not assist > > > On

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-13 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrade Nkrumah Sorry, I meant Bottom-up approach. The explanation you gave do not assist On 13 September 2016 at 12:07, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi wrote: > Cde Chargin > > I expressed and explained bottom-up approach not a top-up approach, > > Top-up approach is when

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-13 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Cde Chargin I expressed and explained bottom-up approach not a top-up approach, Top-up approach is when members converged for the first time for an unity conference hoping to resolve leadership factions in two days (48 hours) and also generate a PoA. Those who succeeds to attend a conference may

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-13 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrade Nkrumah Does it mean your Top-up approach cannot address a typical case prevailing in the Vaal which is currently happening in the Party throughout the country. I am still waiting for your response on this issue and the reason for holding two rallies in one province and still claim unity

RE: [PAYCO]

2016-09-13 Thread Sebenzile Mlaza
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Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-12 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Cde Chargein I requested that you define and describe factionalism and factions for us, this will assist to move from the same wavelength. There are members who resolved not to attend any event and meetings which furthers factionalism. These are members keen to forge unity and are working with

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-12 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrade Nkrumah Theory is only good if it can address praxtical problems. You did explain how will your Bottom-up approach can solve current dilema in the Vaal. You did expolain why in Gaung there are two PAC rallIes whenever the Party commemorates important days in its calender if your apporoach

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-12 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Cde Chargein We run the risk to label everything and effort as a faction, please 1. define and describe a faction. Secondly, it's evident we disagree on the approach to forge principled unity. We advocate a Bottom-up approach which has proven itself to be most effective to defactionalise,

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-12 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrade Nkrumah The Top-up approach sounds good in theory but not in practice. The Marxist philosophy of dialectical materialism *“…emphasizes the dependence of theory on practice, emphasizes that theory is based on practice and in turn serves practice.”* [*Mao Tse Tung on Theory and

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-09 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Comrade Charge-in Factionalism within the party which has exhibited itself in many ills such as the parallel National Leadership structures including other party structures, is a manifestation of both the ideo-political and organisation degeneration, primarily degeneration of the branches and

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-08 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Cde Charge in Thanks for the document which I perused, your critique of Top Down and Bottom Up strategies fails to recognise the solutions presented or arising from each strategy and also that both strategies are capable to converge as long as there the two strategies are not executed from an

Re: [PAYCO] PAC and the Court Ruling

2016-08-18 Thread Chargein Mabaso
MAfrika, Good day. The current political developments in our country at the moment have open a new opportunity for Pan Africanists to go back to the drawing board and do some serious introspection. The current voter apathy, poor PAC/PAM performance and the politics of coalitions after the recent

Re: [PAYCO] PAC and the Court Ruling

2016-08-16 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
PASMA as a PAC Component structure continues to lead students mass agitation in regard to fees must fall. Nkrumah On 15 August 2016 at 12:55, Mphiri Masoga wrote: > Good Morning MaAfrika > > What happened to PASMA AND ARM? > > Regards, > > *electronically send no signed -

Re: [PAYCO] Re: Notice of Extended NEC Meeting and Agenda

2016-05-27 Thread Chargein Mabaso
lton Mphethi; Michael >>> Muendane; >>> sg; dsg; david mabitsela; miles.ndl...@yahoo.com; justice mvakali; >>> bulanng...@gmail.com; isaacl; Mohlomphegi Mphahlele; Nakaphala Matlala; >>> paccapemetro; Mapula Nkoana; Mangaliso Mdhlela; >>> joseph.maqhe

Re: [PAYCO] Re: Notice of Extended NEC Meeting and Agenda

2016-05-26 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrade Eddie. Please nind your language when you talk to another comrades-in-arms. There is neither absolute honest and absolute truth in what is happening in the Pan Africanist fold. Your deeds do not serve PAC interest but those of your faction and enenies, consciously or uncomsciously. We are

Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.

2015-09-21 Thread Chargein Mabaso
because of their illegal status. > > It's time president Mugabe handed the baton to a trusted comrade who would > run the mile not because of him having read a previously delivered speech > but of his dotage seen by us ‘his admirers’ and I repeat ‘HIS ADMIRERS.’ > > > > From: p

RE: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.

2015-09-20 Thread Hulisani
Comrade Linda, any ideas on who should succeed Oldman RG Mugabe and his peers in ZANU- PF leadership? I think though ZANU-PF is keenly aware of the succession matter and is probably fairly prepared for the inevitable departure of Mugabe and his peers. > Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Time to c

Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.

2015-09-20 Thread Chargein Mabaso
y view is that the media has made sure to sensationalize > this issue as they always do. > > >> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 11:13:28 +0200 >> Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres. >> From: chargein...@gmail.com >> To: payco@googlegroups.com >

RE: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.

2015-09-19 Thread Hulisani
the leader? I think not, instead my view is that the media has made sure to sensationalize this issue as they always do. > Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 11:13:28 +0200 > Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres. > From: chargein...@gmail.com > To: payco@goog

Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.

2015-09-18 Thread Linda Ndebele
It was indeed the most embarrassing moment. Succession has never been this urgent. The Old Man has played his part, let him hand over the baton. Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: Sebenzile Mlaza Sender:

Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.

2015-09-18 Thread Chargein Mabaso
It is not as easy as like that for him, comrade. If Mugabe goes, there will be political upheaval in Zimbabwe. It will mean regime change. His Inner Circle will have to go too. That will be costly. It is the one forcing him to remain in power. It's a political marriage unti death. .even if he

Re: [PAYCO] Sarcastic Anthropology.

2015-09-14 Thread 'Sebenzile Mlaza' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
Evening Cde Mawethu, Judging by the brain size of so-called Homo Naledi (this newly discovered allege distant relative of ours), it is quite obvious that Homo sapiens (us) are not directly descended from that species. Read this cognitively, some racist academics simply want to infer one

Re: [PAYCO] WHAT WENT WRONG WITH AZANIA (SA) BURNING by Bulayo News on-line

2015-04-21 Thread Tom Oreje
Masoga, Brother, the rest of africa is reacting!   Will south Africa be comfortable again in isolation? Right now, none of South African citizens can dare say, in a foreign country, that they are south African, the pride is gone and violence is knocking at your door.  And all these because

RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: PAC MARCHES COUNTRYWIDE FOR RELEASE OF ITS APLA COMRADES

2015-04-21 Thread July
Noted -Original Message- From: Mphiri Masoga mphi...@gmail.com Sent: ‎2015-‎04-‎20 04:01 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: PAC MARCHES COUNTRYWIDE FOR RELEASE OF ITS APLA COMRADES Regards, electronically signed Mphiri Masoga SACWU T

RE: [PAYCO] Quo Vadis PAC

2015-02-02 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of matome Sent: 01 February 2015 10:45 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Quo Vadis PAC Comrade Sebenzile, I hope you are well my dearest Friend and Comrade. Would you allow me to take off by 'attacking' you

RE: [PAYCO] Quo Vadis PAC

2015-02-01 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
spring of popular creativity” Lenin Shango lashu Nkrumah From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of matome Sent: 01 February 2015 10:45 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Quo Vadis PAC Comrade Sebenzile, I hope you are well my dearest Friend

Re: [PAYCO] Quo Vadis PAC

2015-01-30 Thread Bongani Keith
Revolutionary greetings cry Izwe Lethu This is there most progressive important statement from comrade Sebenzile you have cross the breach before many of us to see what will the future hold when comrades think of the 20 years in vain of sacrifice building an organisation without making any

Re: [PAYCO] Quo Vadis PAC

2015-01-30 Thread Bongani Keith
Revolutionary greetings cry Izwe Lethu This is there most progressive important statement from comrade Sebenzile you have cross the breach before many of us to see what will the future hold when comrades think of the 20 years in vain of sacrifice building an organisation without making any

RE: [PAYCO]

2015-01-28 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Izwe lethu M’Afrika Mdu The question is what has been achieved thus far in the PAC, noting that every little work undertaken on ground to revive, re-organise and attempt to build a mass based political character for and in the PAC, such efforts are nullified by persisting internal feuding

Re: [PAYCO] Please VOTE for this Zimbabwe project NOW

2014-11-14 Thread mafam
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Re: [PAYCO] SAd news

2014-11-14 Thread chargein461
GMT+0200 Subject: Re: [PAYCO] SAd news Izwe lethu MaÁfrika amahle. Ndicela ilift kwabayayo from Gauteng. On 12 November 2014 11:26, chargein...@gmail.com wrote: Comrades, The funeral of comrade Clarence Mayekiso (Hadebe) will be held at the Roman Catholic Church in town, Port Shepstone

Re: [PAYCO] SAd news

2014-11-14 Thread Fikiswa Ntshwanti
...@gmail.com To: payco payco@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, November 13, 2014 7:45:57 AM GMT+0200 Subject: Re: [PAYCO] SAd news Izwe lethu MaÁfrika amahle. Ndicela ilift kwabayayo from Gauteng. On 12 November 2014 11:26, chargein...@gmail.com wrote: Comrades, The funeral of comrade Clarence

Re: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme

2014-10-27 Thread matome
and millitarisation. Izwe Lethu Matome Mashao Sent from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Mphiri Masoga mphi...@gmail.com Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 09:59:02 To: payco@googlegroups.compayco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO

RE: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme

2014-10-27 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mphiri Masoga Sent: 27 October 2014 11:59 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme Good Morning Linda Who are the former Presidents who attended the meeting where were the current Presidents and what is the Status

RE: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme

2014-10-27 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Raymond Kgaudi -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of percy motswaledi Sent: 27 October 2014 03:09 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com; Mphiri Masoga Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme Good Day MoAfrika Linda its

Re: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme

2014-10-27 Thread Linda Ndebele
find you! -Original Message- From: Mphiri Masoga mphi...@gmail.com Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 09:59:02 To: payco@googlegroups.compayco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme Good Morning

Re: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme

2014-10-27 Thread AUBREY NGWATLE
; Mphiri Masoga Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme Good Day MoAfrika Linda its Lion of Azania Here Mr Mphiri Masoga is attacking you in public Platform and with Emmotions i want us to enterogate his Emotions because they may have different meaning and this time i am sure

Re: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme

2014-10-27 Thread matome
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:29:22 +0200 Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com wrote M'Afrika Percy In as much one wishes to answer your question, the failure to answer is carried within your own question because of the following

Re: [PAYCO] Determing A Good Standing Branch

2014-10-14 Thread 'Mbuyiselo Kantso' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
Comrades Comrade Ray what Apa communicated it is a true reflection of the discussions held. That is why already there is a fabrication about the meeting outcome because the effect of that unity and its expansion thereof as you put it will go a long way in assisting stabilising the party. I also

Re: [PAYCO] PAC National Conference, Bloemfontein

2014-09-29 Thread Tongogara Ndima
Moaforika Vusie You are correct on one issue, as PAC members we need a unifying inclusive conference, not this political gimmicks. In less than three years PAC had three Presidents and three Deputy Presidents as follows: 2012 July Butterworth Congress: Cde Letlapa Mphahlele elected as President

Re: [PAYCO] PAC National Conference, Bloemfontein

2014-09-28 Thread 'Mbuyiselo Kantso' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
MoAfrika Vusie You are simply playfull and enjoy this party going up and down with no programme. There is nothing genuine and noble to what you are saying. You are behaving like someone who is idling in politics so anyone can make you say and do what he wishes. On Sunday, September 28,

Re: [PAYCO] Statement of Position - Program of Action

2014-09-21 Thread matome
...@yahoo.com; mop...@pac.org.za; mvakalijust...@gmail.com; dmalo...@klerksdorp.org; tnta...@webmail.co.za; aplamv...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Statement of Position - Program of Action Cde Matome, I wish to express my gratitude to the continous rationale manner you approach challenges facing our

Re: [PAYCO] Statement of Position - Program of Action

2014-09-21 Thread mmbarahk
Revolutionary Greetings, The document eloquently articulates the historic tasks which must embody the revolutionary programme of our times. Executed to the letter and spirit embodied therein, the struggle for the liberation of the African working class in particular and humanity in general

Re: [PAYCO] coup is the only solution for PAC

2014-09-20 Thread matome
: chargein...@gmail.com Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 14:28:31 To: payco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] coup is the only solution for PAC Comrade Gift My first input on this discussion was that to rescue PAC from current maximum

Re: [PAYCO] Statement of Position - Program of Action

2014-09-20 Thread Linda Ndebele
Cde Matome, I wish to express my gratitude to the continous rationale manner you approach challenges facing our party and our revolutionary task. Indeed I agree with you that we have to make a choice between Revolting or conforming to the system. Making such a choice is critical to know who

Re: [PAYCO] coup is the only solution for PAC

2014-09-16 Thread chargein461
Comrades, Former US President, John F Kennedy rightly said, Those who make nonviolent revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable . His powerful advice was not taken serious by his successors up to Obama. In effect, they defied him. When Gaddafi and Assad in Libya and Syria,

RE: [PAYCO] Our generation failed by a generation that has made its mark!

2014-09-15 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
...@gmail.com; mphothobej...@yahoo.com; mbuyigan...@yahoo.com; dumisani...@gmail.com; p...@vodamail.co.za; nnyq...@gmail.com; s...@pac.org.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; wgaj...@gmail.com; mapulankoan...@gmail.com; mokoen...@workmail.co.za; mbind...@gmail.com; mphah...@eskom.co.za Subject: RE: [PAYCO] FW

Re: [PAYCO] coup is the only solution for PAC

2014-09-14 Thread chargein461
Comrade Gift My first input on this discussion was that to rescue PAC from current maximum infiltration is to take extraordinary actions unfortunately at a human cost. I agree with you totally in your sentiments. PAC has been hijacked from us at gun point. We cannot get it back to us without a

Re: [PAYCO] coup is the only solution for PAC

2014-09-14 Thread chargein461
The enemy is prepared even to bomb genuine PAC members who will win the fight at the end group with Hamas, Zanu-PF, ISIS, etc. Nato may here already to deal with genuine PAC members. But, the kind of action -- Sent from my Nokia phone --Original message-- From: 'gift fuzane'

RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-12 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
...@vodamail.co.za; nnyq...@gmail.com; s...@pac.org.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; wgaj...@gmail.com; mapulankoan...@gmail.com; mokoen...@workmail.co.za; mbind...@gmail.com; mphah...@eskom.co.za Subject: RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference There is one stubborn truth that most people do

RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-11 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
...@eskom.co.za; malingeplaat...@yahoo.com; mphothobej...@yahoo.com; mokoen...@workmail.co.za; moshemahlom...@gmail.com; monyanepin...@gmail.com; mop...@pac.org.za; po...@yahoo.com; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; njabulo.m...@gmail.com; vu...@telkomsa.net; dumisani...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW

Re: [PAYCO] Re: d: Submission of Resolutions for the National Conference

2014-09-11 Thread 'Mbuyiselo Kantso' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
Cde Ndima If you remember in the early 90's we used to have the speeches of Chairman Pokela at United Nations and I have never come across some of his written outside that platform. Thanks for sharing some of these profound logical conclusion. He was right Chairman Pokela. In 1996 I was at

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-11 Thread mphirim
...@yahoo.com; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; njabulo.m...@gmail.com; vu...@telkomsa.net; dumisani...@gmail.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Shango lashu M’Afrika PAC branches and members should not harbour any illusions, Birchwood 2013 National Conference organised by the same

RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-11 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
' Subject: RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference M'Afrika Nkrumah, with due respect son of the soil, I would not like us to engage in rhetoric. All I was responding to are your unfounded sweeping statements based on conjecture. You know nothing or very little about what is happening

RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-11 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
...@pac.org.za; Sbusiso Xaba; dud...@webmail.co.za; digashuma...@gmail.com; dmalo...@klerksdorp.org; generalsecret...@sacwu.org.za Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Good Morning M'Afrika Mashilo Clearly you have made your decision to Boycott the conference so you

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-11 Thread Tongogara Ndima
*Subject: *RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Shango lashu M’Afrika PAC branches and members should not harbour any illusions, *Birchwood 2013 National Conference* organised by the same NEC comrades organising the *Bloemfontein 2014 National Conference*, *has dismally failed

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-10 Thread 'Mawethu Sidzamba' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
! On Tue, 9/9/14, Nkrumah Raymond KGAGUDI nrkgag...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference To: mbuyigan...@yahoo.com, mnd...@yahoo.com, payco@googlegroups.com Cc: kutie.thondl...@gmail.com, sndam...@pac-cape.org.za, mrfihl...@gmail.com

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-10 Thread Linda Ndebele
...@workmail.co.za; moshemahlom...@gmail.com; monyanepin...@gmail.com; mop...@pac.org.za; po...@yahoo.com; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; njabulo.m...@gmail.com; vu...@telkomsa.net; dumisani...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Greetings Cdes We have to accept

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-10 Thread Tongogara Ndima
...@pac.org.za; mnd...@yahoo.com; po...@yahoo.com; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; njabulo.m...@gmail.com; vu...@telkomsa.net; dumisani...@gmail.com *Subject:* Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Cde Kutie It is simple the enemies of the PAC are simply those who are using members

Re: [PAYCO] Re: d: Submission of Resolutions for the National Conference

2014-09-10 Thread Sbusiso Xaba
I am not a spokesperson of Moloto NEC Grouping. I am not familiar with composition of Moloto NEC Grouping. So I am not privy to the information that you are seeking from me. One thing I know is that my obsessions (the decree) cannot stay in the books of the PAC; with all its Secucratic tendencies

Re: [PAYCO] Re: d: Submission of Resolutions for the National Conference

2014-09-10 Thread Tongogara Ndima
Izwe lethu Moaforika Xaba And second question, why do not you start putting your efforts to unite PAC branches and members in Gauteng first! PAC Chairman John Nyathi Pokela when he said One of the greatest leaders of this organisation, Nyathi Pokela, is on record as having said that if we go to

Re: [PAYCO] Re: d: Submission of Resolutions for the National Conference

2014-09-09 Thread Tongogara Ndima
Comrade Xaba We have not seen any form of you being harassed, I ask you is basic and straight forward question. Your Presidential ambitions has blurred your judgement, nonetheless good luck! Regards Ndima On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:57 AM, Sbusiso Xaba sbusiso.x...@gmail.com wrote: It is nice

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-09 Thread 'Mbuyiselo Kantso' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
; mokoen...@workmail.co.za; moshemahlom...@gmail.com; monyanepin...@gmail.com; mop...@pac.org.za; mnd...@yahoo.com; po...@yahoo.com; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; njabulo.m...@gmail.com; vu...@telkomsa.net; dumisani...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Cde Kutie

Fwd: Re: [PAYCO] Re: d: Submission of Resolutions for the National Conference

2014-09-09 Thread Sbusiso Xaba
-- Forwarded message -- From: Sbusiso Xaba sbusiso.x...@gmail.com Date: Sep 9, 2014 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Re: d: Submission of Resolutions for the National Conference To: Tongogara Ndima ndimatongog...@gmail.com Cc: Nothing has blinded me, including what you call my

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-09 Thread Nkrumah Raymond KGAGUDI
; njabulo.m...@gmail.com; vu...@telkomsa.net; dumisani...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Cde Kutie It is simple the enemies of the PAC are simply those who are using members for their individual purposes and to some extend in the interest of the people

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-08 Thread 'Mbuyiselo Kantso' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; njabulo.m...@gmail.com; vu...@telkomsa.net; dumisani...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Cde Kutie It is simple the enemies of the PAC are simply those who are using members for their individual purposes and to some extend

RE: [PAYCO] Re: focused practical action

2014-09-08 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; p...@vodamail.co.za; d...@pac.org.za; ic...@telkomsa.net; richardma...@yahoo.com; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Re: focused practical action Is PAM involved in PAC matters? I do

Re: [PAYCO] Re: d: Submission of Resolutions for the National Conference

2014-09-08 Thread Sbusiso Xaba
The Disciplinary Code is a policy not Constitution or a constitutional clause. Therefore, within the Annual National Conference competence. The proposal is not anti democratic centralism. It in fact reinforces it. On Sep 8, 2014 8:07 AM, chargein...@gmail.com wrote: Comrades Removal of Clause

Re: [PAYCO] Re: d: Submission of Resolutions for the National Conference

2014-09-08 Thread Tongogara Ndima
Comrade Sbusiso Xaba Does this mean, you insist those few branches in Tshwane Region are going ahead to attend Moloto (Less than Five) NEC Members grouping Bloemfontein September Conference. When your peers in the PAC are raising the notion that PAC cannot afford parallel and conflicting events

Re: [PAYCO] Re: d: Submission of Resolutions for the National Conference

2014-09-08 Thread 'Mbuyiselo Kantso' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
Comrade Ndima Since the unbanning of the PAC I have never come cross the PAC being in this pathetic state of affairs especially towards congresses. Even if there were differences in structures and NEC itself our congresses showed maturity of members and NEC towards them. Any normal human

Re: [PAYCO] Re: d: Submission of Resolutions for the National Conference

2014-09-08 Thread Sbusiso Xaba
It is nice to hide behind high emotional loaded language. Especially, when wanting to blackmail or intimidate. I will entertain neither emotional blackmail nor attempted intimidation. We are not much interested in personality cults either. Where are these many branches, You're talking about,

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-07 Thread Smoll Zondo
; mphothobej...@yahoo.com; mokoen...@workmail.co.za; moshemahlom...@gmail.com; monyanepin...@gmail.com; mop...@pac.org.za; mnd...@yahoo.com; po...@yahoo.com; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; njabulo.m...@gmail.com; vu...@telkomsa.net; dumisani...@gmail.com *Subject:* Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual

Re: [PAYCO] RE: focused practical action

2014-09-05 Thread 'Mbuyiselo Kantso' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
...@telkomsa.net%3cvu...@telkomsa.net; mailto:dumisani...@gmail.com%3cdumisani...@gmail.com ReplyTo: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Morning Cde. Raymond I think it is now clear that up and above the feuding NEC you have an individual in the form

RE: [PAYCO] RE: focused practical action

2014-09-05 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
...@wbs.co.za; 'Alton Mphethi' Subject: Re: [PAYCO] RE: focused practical action Comrades Cdes Linda, Siya, Ndima, Fihla and others I think lets do our best to find a way out after the further submission by Cde Raymond. For now we must reach out to our comrades to constitutionality

Re: [PAYCO] RE: focused practical action

2014-09-05 Thread Linda Ndebele
...@gmail.com njabulo.m...@gmail.com; vu...@telkomsa.net mailto:vu...@telkomsa.net%3cvu...@telkomsa.net vu...@telkomsa.net; dumisani...@gmail.com mailto:dumisani...@gmail.com%3cdumisani...@gmail.com dumisani...@gmail.com ReplyTo: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual

RE: [PAYCO] RE: focused practical action

2014-09-05 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za Subject: Re: [PAYCO] RE: focused practical action Comrades, From my analysis on our engagements including that of Cde

RE: [PAYCO] Re: focused practical action

2014-09-05 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
...@gmail.com; mailto:njabulo.m...@gmail.com%3cnjabulo.m...@gmail.com; mailto:vu...@telkomsa.net%3cvu...@telkomsa.net; mailto:dumisani...@gmail.com%3cdumisani...@gmail.com ReplyTo: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Morning Cde. Raymond I think

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-04 Thread 'Mbuyiselo Kantso' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
Morning Cde. Raymond I think it is now clear that up and above the feuding NEC you have an individual in the form of an S.G who thinks he wilds a wisdom above all others. By the way you are talking about a so called board room or office bound NEC which operates somewhere in a building in

RE: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS

2014-09-04 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
...@telkomsa.net mailto:vu...@telkomsa.net%3cvu...@telkomsa.net vu...@telkomsa.net; dumisani...@gmail.com mailto:dumisani...@gmail.com%3cdumisani...@gmail.com dumisani...@gmail.com ReplyTo: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Morning Cde. Raymond

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-04 Thread Linda Ndebele
...@gmail.com; vu...@telkomsa.netvu...@telkomsa.net; dumisani...@gmail.comdumisani...@gmail.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Morning Cde. Raymond I think it is now clear that up and above the feuding NEC you have an individual in the form

Re: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS

2014-09-04 Thread mphirim
...@yahoo.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS M'Afrika Masoga Why can't focus be directed towards organising inclusive Gauteng provincial meeting to consider ways and means to unite and rebuild PAC than national caucuses which ends up deepening internal party

RE: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS

2014-09-04 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
' Subject: Re: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS Thank you Mo Afrika Mashilo PAC is in a state that is unacceptable and for that reason it is caucuses of this magnitude that will ensure that we chat way forward and March Forward. It is a fact that we can never

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-04 Thread 'Mbuyiselo Kantso' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
, mphothobej...@yahoo.com, mokoen...@workmail.co.za, moshemahlom...@gmail.com, monyanepin...@gmail.com, mop...@pac.org.za, mnd...@yahoo.com, po...@yahoo.com, celenjabulo...@gmail.com, njabulo.m...@gmail.com, vu...@telkomsa.net, dumisani...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual

Re: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS

2014-09-04 Thread 'Mbuyiselo Kantso' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
Subject: RE: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS M’Afrika Masoga Why can’t focus be directed towards organising inclusive Gauteng provincial meeting to consider ways and means to unite and rebuild PAC than national caucuses which ends up deepening internal party

RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-04 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
...@pac.org.za; mnd...@yahoo.com; po...@yahoo.com; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; njabulo.m...@gmail.com; vu...@telkomsa.net; dumisani...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Cde Kutie It is simple the enemies of the PAC are simply those who are using members

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-04 Thread Tongogara Ndima
...@gmail.com; njabulo.m...@gmail.com; vu...@telkomsa.net; dumisani...@gmail.com *Subject:* Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Cde Kutie It is simple the enemies of the PAC are simply those who are using members for their individual purposes and to some extend in the interest

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-04 Thread 'Mbuyiselo Kantso' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
...@gmail.com; njabulo.m...@gmail.com; vu...@telkomsa.net; dumisani...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Cde Kutie It is simple the enemies of the PAC are simply those who are using members for their individual purposes and to some extend in the interest

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-04 Thread 'Mbuyiselo Kantso' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
; malingeplaat...@yahoo.com; mphothobej...@yahoo.com; mokoen...@workmail.co.za; moshemahlom...@gmail.com; monyanepin...@gmail.com; mop...@pac.org.za; mnd...@yahoo.com; po...@yahoo.com; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; njabulo.m...@gmail.com; vu...@telkomsa.net; dumisani...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-04 Thread chargein461
,mokoen...@workmail.co.za,moshemahlom...@gmail.com,monyanepin...@gmail.com,mop...@pac.org.za,mnd...@yahoo.com,po...@yahoo.com,celenjabulo...@gmail.com,njabulo.m...@gmail.com,vu...@telkomsa.net,dumisani...@gmail.com Date: Thursday, September 4, 2014 1:06:19 PM GMT+0200 Subject: RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-04 Thread Linda Ndebele
...@pac.org.za; Ndade Mxunyamnd...@yahoo.com; po...@yahoo.compo...@yahoo.com; celenjabulo...@gmail.comcelenjabulo...@gmail.com; njabulo.m...@gmail.com; Dumisani Zwanedumisani...@gmail.com; Vusi .Mahlanguvemahla...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Comrade Zondo Your

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