Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Aug 27, 2012, at 07:21 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: ... That lasted for a while, then Apple addressed the costs by coming out with their own (or purchased) fonts design called TrueType that gave damn near the

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Aug 27, 2012, at 09:33 , John Sessoms wrote: The part that mattered and y'all kind of missed was the and don't touch anything else kid. I really was a kid, not yet old enough to drive. It was very unusual someone my age would even be allowed inside the computer room. Not only was I

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Aug 27, 2012, at 19:47 , William Robb wrote: On 27/08/2012 6:55 PM, Tom C wrote: What I'm against is a world where we only have Fords, Apple iPads, Apple smart phones, Samsung TV's, Frigidaire refrigerators,,, you get my drift, to choose from, and from what I can see that's the kind

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Aug 28, 2012, at 10:04 , Larry Colen wrote: On Aug 28, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Aug 28, 2012, at 5:13 AM, Larry Colen wrote: I will agree that the goatse zoom is a clever idea, but being software should not be patentable. …but being software, should not be

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Aug 28, 2012, at 10:47 , P. J. Alling wrote: To even be allowed to argue patent law you are required to be a combination of scientist engineer and lawyer, to hear the case apparently not. My Mom's grandfather's firm spent 9 years trying to find a way for the Wright Brothers to patent

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread Larry Colen
On Aug 30, 2012, at 12:49 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: On Aug 28, 2012, at 10:04 , Larry Colen wrote: On Aug 28, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Aug 28, 2012, at 5:13 AM, Larry Colen wrote: I will agree that the goatse zoom is a clever idea, but being software should not

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread DagT
Den 30. aug. 2012 kl. 09:49 skrev Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: On Aug 28, 2012, at 10:04 , Larry Colen wrote: On Aug 28, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Aug 28, 2012, at 5:13 AM, Larry Colen wrote: I will agree that the goatse zoom is a clever idea, but being

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Aug 28, 2012, at 11:32 , Tom C wrote: The look and feel is different. Apple makers a big deal of that. I'm not saying it's better; just harder to base a lawsuit on. Even with the gesture related controls. Is it right to patent the fact that spreading your fingers means get larger

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread DagT
Den 30. aug. 2012 kl. 09:35 skrev Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: On Aug 27, 2012, at 19:47 , William Robb wrote: On 27/08/2012 6:55 PM, Tom C wrote: What I'm against is a world where we only have Fords, Apple iPads, Apple smart phones, Samsung TV's, Frigidaire refrigerators,,,

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread Joseph McAllister
Or the $9.99 monthly phone from AARP with the big numbers and green screen. Yeah. I can use it! I've never had my glasses on when my burner rings. By the time I get them on, it has stopped ringing… On Aug 28, 2012, at 13:04 , Daniel J. Matyola wrote: You can buy those old clunkers at

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Aug 28, 2012, at 14:31 , steve harley wrote: on 2012-08-28 12:48 DagT wrote In the about 20 years I have been discussing this with people who are opposed to software patents nobody has ever found a fair definition. If you cannot forbid what you cannot define. :-) that's easy — let

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Aug 28, 2012, at 14:43 , DagT wrote: Which is very unfair for those who have great ideas. You know the circuitry for making efficient car engines? It may easily be duplicated by software if it is not already. Some millions of dollars research just to give it away to the competitor.

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Aug 28, 2012, at 20:39 , William Robb wrote: Consider for a moment that when I was a mere teenager, a person pulling up beside you at a red light and making a deflating O gesture was an indication you had a flat tire. I doubt hardly anyone one the road these days has learned that

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread DagT
Den 30. aug. 2012 kl. 10:31 skrev Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: On Aug 28, 2012, at 14:31 , steve harley wrote: on 2012-08-28 12:48 DagT wrote In the about 20 years I have been discussing this with people who are opposed to software patents nobody has ever found a fair

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread DagT
Ytes, I heard that story. I also heard another one where the inventor sold the invention to an even larger firm, who won over the first. There is always dangerous for the inventor to hold the invention too much to himself. It is better to own a little of something big than to own everything

Re: PESO - Yorkshire Dales overlook

2012-08-30 Thread Brian Walters
Quoting Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com: Another from the Yorkshire Dales in June: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16351674size=lg (K-5, DA 24-90) White balance is a surprising problem with these daytime Dales photos.nbsp; I shot them in RAW, but no matter how I fiddle the WB

Re: Peso Beaver Mark I

2012-08-30 Thread David J Brooks
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 2:53 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Larry Colen On Aug 28, 2012, at 5:41 AM, David J Brooks wrote: Back in 1972 or 1973, the neighbour across the street from my parents house brought home about 30 repo'd Beaver Mark I gum machines. I thought it

Re: PESO - Yorkshire Dales overlook

2012-08-30 Thread Bruce Walker
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: Quoting Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com: Another from the Yorkshire Dales in June: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16351674size=lg (K-5, DA 24-90) White balance is a surprising problem with these

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2012-08-30 3:03, Joseph McAllister wrote: Anyway, my recollection is that TrueType was a method of minutely smoothing what was once lumpy pixels. As opposed to Adobe's vector drawing formula. It's been so long since I had to even think about it. Ya gotta let go of some of what you knew to

Re: Big $$$$$ Glass

2012-08-30 Thread Darren Addy
I have a theory for why Sheikh Saud Bin Mohammed Al-Thani of Qatar wanted this lens, and if I'm right then I believe we must consider making him an honorary PDML member: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_birds_of_Qatar#Cormorants -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

OT: Rare Neil Armstrong interviews

2012-08-30 Thread Darren Addy
I saw the following post on another mailing list to which I subscribe and thought I would pass it along here. I have the feeling that many may find it as interesting as I did. - - - In a world where foul-mouthed animals are called hero for bouncing a ball or cursing to music, it's sad to lose a

Re: OT: ... and completely out in left field.

2012-08-30 Thread Underpaid N. Overpentaxed
I'm sure Todd Akin has any number of people spinning right now... 2012/8/28, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: Two threads here lately have got me thinking (always a dangerous state of affairs). There's the terribly visionary thread on the future of photography that's got HCB spinning in

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread P. J. Alling
Any complex software is going to be very difficult to port from a PC to a MAC. Changes in PC software architecture make it difficult enough to move from one platform to the next if Microsoft didn't maintain support for older methods. Apple drops support and things stop working. often

AUTO: W Keith Mosier/DDE/DuPont is out of the office. (returning 09/13/2012)

2012-08-30 Thread W Keith2 Mosier
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Re: OT: ... and completely out in left field.

2012-08-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
It might give you pause to note that the ONLY thing I use gmail for is the PDML. ;-) On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:29 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Two threads here lately have got me thinking (always a dangerous state of affairs). There's the terribly visionary thread on the

Re: OT: Denon AVR-900, we hardly knew ye!

2012-08-30 Thread Walt Gilbert
On 8/29/2012 5:02 PM, John Francis wrote: On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 12:20:01PM -0500, Walt Gilbert wrote: last night. This marks the beginning of an extended period of listening to my PC's audio through cheap-ass earbuds. That's not where you're supposed to wear them ... Well, that's where my

Re: OT: Denon AVR-900, we hardly knew ye!

2012-08-30 Thread Walt Gilbert
On 8/29/2012 5:58 PM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote: After many years of stalwart service to my steadily declining auditory senses, my beloved A/V receiver finally gave up the ghost last night. Earlier this year, I caused major damage to my beloved Denon

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
... Any complex software is going to be very difficult to port from a PC to a MAC. ... The first work I did as a software development engineer in the private sector (after NASA/JPL) was to design and implement a multi-platform development system which ran on Mac OS, Windows, OSF/Motif, HP/UX

Re: OT: Denon AVR-900, we hardly knew ye!

2012-08-30 Thread Walt Gilbert
On 8/29/2012 10:36 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Aug 29, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Walt Gilbert wrote: After many years of stalwart service to my steadily declining auditory senses, my beloved A/V receiver finally gave up the ghost last night. This marks the beginning of an extended period of listening

Re: OT: Denon AVR-900, we hardly knew ye!

2012-08-30 Thread Walt Gilbert
On 8/29/2012 10:32 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Aug 29, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: I have a Nakamichi that you might enjoy. And some other nice old stuff. http://columbus.craigslist.org/ele/3175537972.html I remember a Satch Carlsen column where he explained that Nakamichi is

Re: OT: Denon AVR-900, we hardly knew ye!

2012-08-30 Thread Charles Robinson
On Aug 30, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Walt Gilbert wrote: Yikes, Larry! An NAD and a Hafler -- that's two pretty bad losses. I once had an NAD tuner that was pretty nice, and I know their amps are their bread and butter. As for the Hafler -- those things are legendary. I've only ever owned one

RE: PESO - Flower photos

2012-08-30 Thread jn289
Thanks, Frank, Dan and Bob Sullivan and also to whoever else gave a look..Joe Like. :-) cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: jn289 jn...@verizon.net Sent: August 26, 2012 8/26/12 To:

OT - Inspirational photos from the last century

2012-08-30 Thread Igor Roshchin
Neil Armstrong: http://blog.chasejarvis.com/blog/2012/08/inspirational-photos-by-neil-armstrong-primary-photographer-on-the-first-successful-manned-mission-to-the-moon/ or short link: http://goo.gl/yOgJb Nothing new, but a nice article, IMHO, with some photography-related details. Igor --

Re: Christian in London

2012-08-30 Thread Charles Robinson
On Aug 29, 2012, at 6:47 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: Popped up to town for a bite to eat at the Dog and Duck in Soho with Christian Skofteland who is working for a few days in London. He sends his regards. After a trip to the bar (which I used to drink in when I worked in London 32 years ago

Re: OT: ... and completely out in left field.

2012-08-30 Thread Steven Desjardins
Same here. My Gmail account is only for the PDML. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: It might give you pause to note that the ONLY thing I use gmail for is the PDML. ;-) On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:29 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:

Re: PESO: Scarlet Hibiscus

2012-08-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks for the helpful tips, Joe. For most flowers, I try several modes. In this case, IIRC, I tried auto, program, macro, Flash Off, Shutter-Priority and Aperture-Priority. Those taken in the last two modes just looked washed out. Admittedly, that was probably due to my ineptitude. For this

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread P. J. Alling
If I remember correctly, the inventor approached each of the Big Three automakers, with his system. He didn't want to sell the right to use his idea, but interest them in buying components, from a factory he was going to finance on the basis of having the contracts. This would have been much

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread William Robb
On 30/08/2012 2:24 AM, DagT wrote: Den 30. aug. 2012 kl. 09:35 skrev Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: On Aug 27, 2012, at 19:47 , William Robb wrote: On 27/08/2012 6:55 PM, Tom C wrote: What I'm against is a world where we only have Fords, Apple iPads, Apple smart phones, Samsung

Pentax Instant Rebates and Price Reductions

2012-08-30 Thread Darren Addy
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Re: OT: Denon AVR-900, we hardly knew ye!

2012-08-30 Thread Bruce Walker
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/29/2012 10:36 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Aug 29, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Walt Gilbert wrote: After many years of stalwart service to my steadily declining auditory senses, my beloved A/V receiver finally gave up the

Re: OT - Inspirational photos from the last century

2012-08-30 Thread Mark Roberts
Igor Roshchin wrote: Neil Armstrong: http://blog.chasejarvis.com/blog/2012/08/inspirational-photos-by-neil-armstrong-primary-photographer-on-the-first-successful-manned-mission-to-the-moon/ or short link: http://goo.gl/yOgJb Nothing new, but a nice article, IMHO, with some photography-related

Re: Pentax Instant Rebates and Price Reductions

2012-08-30 Thread Darren Addy
Biggest kick in the teeth? If you just bought a K-01 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: Pentax Instant Rebates and Price Reductions

2012-08-30 Thread Darren Addy
Rebates makes the one or two K-01 left on Amazon effectively $300. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: PESO: Scarlet Hibiscus

2012-08-30 Thread Bruce Walker
A tip I read often from flower-shooters is underexpose for deeper colours. The other thing I can say is that I always treat my flower shootings as portrait sessions. I use reflectors, inserted backdrops and up to three strobes (including in softboxes) to get great light for them. The downside is

Re: Pentax Instant Rebates and Price Reductions

2012-08-30 Thread Darren Addy
I think it is pretty easy to read between the lines of these rebates and see that they are making room for new products that are going to be near the original price points. I now think it is reasonable to believe that Photokina is going to include announcements for ALL of the following: an

Re: Pentax Instant Rebates and Price Reductions

2012-08-30 Thread Steven Desjardins
That's a very tempting price, assuming the lower price still exists when the rebates kick in. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I think it is pretty easy to read between the lines of these rebates and see that they are making room for new products that

RE: Big $$$$$ Glass

2012-08-30 Thread John Sessoms
IIRC, the stories I saw back in 2006 or so said he was using the lens to photograph birds out in the desert. From: J.C. O'Connell You mean a lion, right? - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
So, if Porsche comes out with a new car that has a unique shape, is it alright if GM copies that unique shape and sells cars to compete with the new Porsche? Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola I do know something of precedent law, and the broad strokes that it will

RE: PESO - Yorkshire Dales overlook

2012-08-30 Thread John Sessoms
From: Rick Womer Another from the Yorkshire Dales in June: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16351674size=lg (K-5, DA 24-90) White balance is a surprising problem with these daytime Dales photos.? I shot them in RAW, but no matter how I fiddle the WB ain't right.? If I had it to do

Re: PESO - They Made a Movie Once...

2012-08-30 Thread John Sessoms
From: frank theriault More about the title and the photo later. Until then, here it is: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2012/08/they-made-movie-once.html Hope you enjoy this nocturnal photo. Comments welcome. cheers, frank I dunno' ... is that perchance Elm Street? -- PDML

Re: PESO: Scarlet Hibiscus

2012-08-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
It is a lot of trouble. Additionally, the best blooms are often located on inconvenient portions of the plant, where it is difficult enough to position the camera, let alone reflectors, backdrops and strobes. If I remove the best blooms, my wife is less than pleased. There is a reason the most

Re: PESO: Scarlet Hibiscus

2012-08-30 Thread Bruce Walker
Build a raft, then float you and your lighting gear on the pool over to the flowers. Where's your sense of adventure, man? :-) My wife actually encourages me to remove the odd bloom/stem and shoot indoors. She's become more pragmatic about the whole thing over the years. I think she'd draw the

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread Larry Colen
On Aug 30, 2012, at 1:18 AM, DagT wrote: Den 30. aug. 2012 kl. 09:49 skrev Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: On Aug 28, 2012, at 10:04 , Larry Colen wrote: On Aug 28, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Aug 28, 2012, at 5:13 AM, Larry Colen wrote: I will agree that the

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread steve harley
on 2012-08-27 3:26 Joseph McAllister wrote When the Mac came out in 1984, it was shortly followed, thanks to Adobe selling Jobs the font technology used by Apple Laser Printers, which put tens of thousands of printers and font designers working at home. Desktop Printing became a buzzword in

RE: Big $$$$$ Glass

2012-08-30 Thread Bob W
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Darren Addy I have a theory for why Sheikh Saud Bin Mohammed Al-Thani of Qatar wanted this lens, and if I'm right then I believe we must consider making him an honorary PDML member:

Re: OT: Denon AVR-900, we hardly knew ye!

2012-08-30 Thread Larry Colen
On Aug 30, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/29/2012 10:36 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Aug 29, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Walt Gilbert wrote: After many years of stalwart service to my steadily declining auditory

Re: PESO: Scarlet Hibiscus

2012-08-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I lost my sense of adventure when I turned 70. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Build a raft, then float you and your lighting gear on the pool over to the flowers. Where's your sense of

OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-30 Thread Larry Colen
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to

Re: PESO - Yorkshire Dales overlook

2012-08-30 Thread Don Guthrie
Rick. Nice expanse of countryside. All Creatures Great Small territory. I use Aperture to develop my raw PEFs and there is an option to set white balance for skin color so clicking on neutral skin usually gives a good start. I realize there isn't much skin in this photo but when I am out and

Re: They Made a Movie Once..

2012-08-30 Thread Don Guthrie
Ah a cameo by the master Alfred w/o his derby. Nice atmospheric night scene. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 7 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:53:10 -0400 From: frank theriaultknarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail ListPDML@pdml.net Subject: PESO - They Made a Movie Once...

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread John Sessoms
From: Joseph McAllister On Aug 27, 2012, at 09:33 , John Sessoms wrote: The part that mattered and y'all kind of missed was the and don't touch anything else kid. I really was a kid, not yet old enough to drive. It was very unusual someone my age would even be allowed inside the computer

Re: Pentax Instant Rebates and Price Reductions

2012-08-30 Thread Tom C
I think it is pretty easy to read between the lines of these rebates and see that they are making room for new products that are going to be near the original price points. I now think it is reasonable to believe that Photokina is going to include announcements for ALL of the following: an

Re: OT: ... and completely out in left field.

2012-08-30 Thread John Sessoms
Still, it's a Google application used on Apple hardware. Maybe it's not enough to spin Jobs up to the point he could power the entire state of California, but it should suffice for powering a couple of blocks in San Francisco. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi It might give you pause to note that

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread John Sessoms
From: Joseph McAllister On Aug 28, 2012, at 10:04 , Larry Colen wrote: On Aug 28, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Aug 28, 2012, at 5:13 AM, Larry Colen wrote: I will agree that the goatse zoom is a clever idea, but being software should not be patentable. ?but being

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread steve harley
on 2012-08-30 6:42 Doug Franklin wrote On 2012-08-30 3:03, Joseph McAllister wrote: Anyway, my recollection is that TrueType was a method of minutely smoothing what was once lumpy pixels. As opposed to Adobe's vector drawing formula. It's been so long since I had to even think about it. Ya

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread DagT
Den 30. aug. 2012 kl. 18:06 skrev William Robb: On 30/08/2012 2:24 AM, DagT wrote: Den 30. aug. 2012 kl. 09:35 skrev Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: On Aug 27, 2012, at 19:47 , William Robb wrote: On 27/08/2012 6:55 PM, Tom C wrote: What I'm against is a world where we

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread John Sessoms
From: Daniel J. Matyola So, if Porsche comes out with a new car that has a unique shape, is it alright if GM copies that unique shape and sells cars to compete with the new Porsche? Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola I do know something of precedent law, and the

Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-30 Thread Walter Hamler
Whew! None of mine are there. Cars I Have Owned 1962 Chevy Impala SS 1963/64 1957 Mercury Parklane Cruiser 1965 1957 VW Beetle 1966 1968 Toyota Corona 1968 1969 Chevy Townsman SW 1969 1958 Rambler SW 1969 1972

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread DagT
Den 30. aug. 2012 kl. 21:03 skrev John Sessoms: From: Joseph McAllister On Aug 28, 2012, at 10:04 , Larry Colen wrote: On Aug 28, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Aug 28, 2012, at 5:13 AM, Larry Colen wrote: I will agree that the goatse zoom is a clever idea, but being

Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
You have purchased 5 cars since I last bought one. That must say something about each of us. G Of course, you are not quite as old as I am . . . . Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote: Whew!

RE: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-30 Thread Bob W
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545 ,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. Don't know why the Triumph Stag's on there. Maybe they

Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-30 Thread steve harley
on 2012-08-30 12:51 Larry Colen wrote http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545,00.html They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. fascinates me that 75-89 has the preponderances of entries -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-30 Thread steve harley
on 2012-08-30 13:40 Daniel J. Matyola wrote You have purchased 5 cars since I last bought one. That must say something about each of us. G fwiw, he's bought 11 since i last bought one and he had bought 12 before i bought my first one -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-30 Thread Steven Desjardins
My mom had a Pinto. It drove OK and never exploded. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545 ,00.html They

Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-30 Thread Darren Addy
The Maserati, with apologies to Joe Walsh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiORhKnwXF4 re: The Yugo There is one that my coworker drives an hour to work (each way) every day M-F. Here it is, with him at the wheel, in acton: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JftYNIbXLAk -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-30 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Obviously missing -- Mk 3 VW Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit

Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-30 Thread Darren Addy
Not too many current TIME magazine advertisers' cars on that list, I notice. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-30 Thread Steven Desjardins
I love the phrase this thing couldn't outrun the Rose Bowl Parade, referring to the Brickland. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:44 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2012-08-30 13:40 Daniel J. Matyola wrote You have purchased 5 cars since I last bought one. That must say something about

Dry river the drought in the midwest

2012-08-30 Thread Don Guthrie
Here are two photos taken of the Des Moines river which usually floods in the spring and supports fishing, boating, water skiing every summer in my memory. Not this year. http://donspix.posterous.com/drought-in-the-midwest-2012-the-photos-photo -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: Pentax Instant Rebates and Price Reductions

2012-08-30 Thread Steven Desjardins
Just adding sunshine to a cloudless sky. :) It's one of the reasons we treasure you, Tom. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: I think it is pretty easy to read between the lines of these rebates and see that they are making room for new products that are going to

Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-30 Thread Walter Hamler
Couldn't be by much. I am 70. Walt On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: You have purchased 5 cars since I last bought one. That must say something about each of us. G Of course, you are not quite as old as I am . . . . Dan Matyola

Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-30 Thread Steven Desjardins
Wow, Walt, you seem so much younger the that. Of course, the internet takes off 20 years. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote: Couldn't be by much. I am 70. Walt On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: You

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread steve harley
on 2012-08-30 2:21 Joseph McAllister wrote I believe those gestures were all first patented for the notebook computers when Apple placed a trackpad by shifting the keyboard up next to the screen. They shortly (after the patent was given) assigned these gestures to the electrostatic pad a few

Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-30 Thread Walter Hamler
I'd rather it take of 20 POUNDS! :-) On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, Walt, you seem so much younger the that. Of course, the internet takes off 20 years. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote: Couldn't

Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-30 Thread Paul Stenquist
Utter nonsense. It's one nincompoop's list. The 1961 Corvair, for example, is there only because an idiot wrote a book. And the 1995 Explorer is there by virtue of some bad tires. But since these cars are so awful, I'll take the Series III XKE V12 off someone's hands or that Biturbo Maserati.

Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-30 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too. I'd like to add the Volvo 480, built by DAF in Holland with a Renault engine. We called it Cologne's fastest footbath, because each time it rained the footwell was flooded. Not enough with

Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-30 Thread Larry Colen
On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Utter nonsense. It's one nincompoop's list. The 1961 Corvair, for example, is there only because an idiot wrote a book. And the 1995 Explorer is there by virtue of some bad tires. But since these cars are so awful, I'll take the Series

Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-30 Thread wendy beard
We still have a 1977 Triumph Stag. Paul was only the second owner when he bought it many years ago. It's still running - with the original engine and everything. Wendy On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net]

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread Joseph McAllister
If they could, they would. To take the wind out of Porsche's sales they'd have to build a vehicle that was equal or better than the original. Producing a car that looked like a Porsche model, and selling it for a lot less to attract buyers, would soon be revealed to by a piece of junk. IMHO

Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-30 Thread William Robb
On 30/08/2012 3:04 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Utter nonsense. It's one nincompoop's list. The 1961 Corvair, for example, is there only because an idiot wrote a book. And the 1995 Explorer is there by virtue of some bad tires. But since these cars are so awful, I'll take the Series III XKE V12

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Aug 30, 2012, at 5:15 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: If they could, they would. To take the wind out of Porsche's sales they'd have to build a vehicle that was equal or better than the original. Producing a car that looked like a Porsche model, and selling it for a lot less to attract

Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-30 Thread Don Guthrie
And 20 pounds. (I wish) pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 13 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:13:36 -0400 From: Steven Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time Message-ID:

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:24 , Larry Colen wrote: Unfu*kingbelievable. And untrue. We use patents the opposite way, to get into markets dominated by larger companies (or make them but the ringt for a good price). DagT Dag, I will agree that there are good and worthwhile uses of

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread Joseph McAllister
Thanks Steve. I was counting on someone to know what I did not remember. On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:26 , steve harley wrote: on 2012-08-27 3:26 Joseph McAllister wrote When the Mac came out in 1984, it was shortly followed, thanks to Adobe selling Jobs the font technology used by Apple Laser

Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-30 Thread Darren Addy
To the entire PDML community: Please accept my sincerest apologies for starting this thread (or, more correctly now, these threads). As penance, I would force myself to read each message it contains except for the fact that it would make me want to slit my wrists (more than I already do). I'd also

Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-30 Thread Mark Roberts
Walter Hamler wrote: On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote: Couldn't be by much. I am 70. Wow, Walt, you seem so much younger the that. Of course, the internet takes off 20

Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-30 Thread Larry Colen
On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:18 PM, William Robb wrote: On 30/08/2012 3:04 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Utter nonsense. It's one nincompoop's list. The 1961 Corvair, for example, is there only because an idiot wrote a book. And the 1995 Explorer is there by virtue of some bad tires. But since these

Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-30 Thread Larry Colen
On Aug 30, 2012, at 12:49 PM, Darren Addy wrote: The Maserati, with apologies to Joe Walsh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiORhKnwXF4 re: The Yugo There is one that my coworker drives an hour to work (each way) every day M-F. Here it is, with him at the wheel, in acton:

Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-30 Thread John Sessoms
I think Time published that list just before the 2010 Detroit Auto Show. I don't think they've updated it since. From: Paul Stenquist Utter nonsense. It's one nincompoop's list. The 1961 Corvair, for example, is there only because an idiot wrote a book. And the 1995 Explorer is there by

Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-30 Thread John Sessoms
From: Larry Colen On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Utter nonsense. It's one nincompoop's list. The 1961 Corvair, for example, is there only because an idiot wrote a book. And the 1995 Explorer is there by virtue of some bad tires. But since these cars are so awful, I'll take

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