And an update if anyone cares ...
I still don't know what caused the problem, but I shut everything down,
including the UPS; crawled up under the desk and unplugged everything
and then plugged them all back in.
The only things plugged in to the UPS were the System Unit wall wart
for an
Residual voltages will do strange things sometimes and completely
unplugging everything and letting it sit can sometimes solve the problem.
At the outset of a printing project that was time sensitive my printer
insisted on going through a complete cleaning cycle before every print.
Cost me a
I know support for XP was supposed to end yesterday, but I got security
updates this morning.
I'm also having a problem with Windoze7 that I haven't been able to
figure out.
The only hard-drive failures I've ever encountered happened at boot up,
so I try to minimize that by keeping my computers
Do you have a depleted coin battery on your motherboard? When that goes
strange things begin to happen.
-p
On 4/9/2014 1:57 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
I know support for XP was supposed to end yesterday, but I got security
updates this morning.
I'm also having a problem with Windoze7 that I
Odd - I has a similar thing happen on my Win 7 machine a couple of weeks
ago. I was working on it and it shut down with a message that the
battery was depleted. I turned the UPS off and on and rebooted. With the
UPS I use there is battery / power icon on the system tray like a laptop
and it
On 08/04/2014, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
That does bring up some interesting questions:
1. Why won't Adobe make versions of Lightroom Photoshop for Linux?
Linux users are lucky like that.
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On 08/04/2014, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
That does bring up some interesting questions:
1. Why won't Adobe make versions of Lightroom Photoshop for Linux?
Linux users are lucky like that.
Linux users generally want free software, OK so
Quoting P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com:
On 4/9/2014 6:23 PM, mike wilson wrote:
On 08/04/2014, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
That does bring up some interesting questions:
1. Why won't Adobe make versions of Lightroom Photoshop for Linux?
Linux users are lucky like
I think that's unlikely. It's a fairly new system. Built it early in 2013.
If it was the coin battery I'd expect it to be losing CMOS settings.
On 4/9/2014 5:49 PM, Paul wrote:
Do you have a depleted coin battery on your motherboard? When that goes
strange things begin to happen.
-p
On
I do have that battery icon, but it's showing 100% every time I check it
and the UPS monitor software shows the battery fully charged.
If the UPS software was telling the system the battery was getting low,
I'd expect to see something about it in the logs.
On 4/9/2014 6:22 PM, Mark C wrote:
And now, it just started getting worse.
It's suddenly just logging me off and shutting down. I was in there
going through all the power management settings trying to find a reason.
I changed the low battery critical battery from sleep to shut down.
I was in the middle of checking other
Maybe try it without the UPS and see what happens.
On 4/9/2014 8:59 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
And now, it just started getting worse.
It's suddenly just logging me off and shutting down. I was in there
going through all the power management settings trying to find a
reason. I changed the low
Not to prosyletise too much; you really should try Ubuntu. Download
the installation iso from Ubuntu.com and try it running from a disk
before you install. Unless there are specific Windows-only apps that
you need, just about everything you want can be run as an equivalent.
Firefox and T'bird
Agree Linux Ubuntu is the way to to go to wipe off XP on your old PC and
feel comfortable about these XP hazards. However I soon got tired of the
interface of Ubuntu and switched now to the light-weight Ubuntu version
Lubuntu on both an old desktop and a laptop. LibreOffice and all of the
Quoting Henk Terhell hterh...@chello.nl:
Agree Linux Ubuntu is the way to to go to wipe off XP on your old PC
and feel comfortable about these XP hazards. However I soon got
tired of the interface of Ubuntu and switched now to the
light-weight Ubuntu version Lubuntu on both an old desktop
For me Vista was quite OK until it got slow and finally crashed. Win 8
is also not bad but I got the classic desktop with the $ 5 Start8
utility (so at least I know how to switch off the PC).
Win 8 (on an i7 processor with NVDIA GT-640 graphic card) handles
Lightroom well. I think the file
That is exactly what I did with my only XP machine. I originally
installed Ubuntu and then switched over to the LXDE desktop. Now it says
Lubuntu when it is booting. VueScan works just like it does on XP (which
it should) - I scanned eight 35mm rolls via VueScan and the LS8000 under
Lubuntu
I'm not a techie but I doubt your computer will turn into a pumpkin at
midnight. But you might want to pick up a pie crust just in case
From what I read it looks like WinXP will simply start to become more
and more insecure as new vulnerabilities are found and not patched. And
there might
I suppose Ubuntu is fun if you’re a techy and like to play with computers. But
if you’re a photographer, an operating system that won’t run the best image
processing software sucks dead dog dick.
Paul
On Apr 8, 2014, at 2:31 AM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote:
Not to prosyletise
to pass up.
Gerrit
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Ann Sanfedele wrote:
I have a feeling the threats from Windoze
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Subject: Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
Just to add my 2¢: Windows XP is an incredibly old operating system by
today's standards. Yeah, Vista and Windows 8 were/are pretty awful,
but Windows 7 is great. You really don't need to fear upgrading to 7,
especially since you can install the XP virtual
This machine is on at least it's 3rd motherboard. I think the latest
mother board is from 2007.
I'm not sure how old it actually is, but at least some of the parts date
back into the 20th century. It's still got the certificate of
authenticity sticker for a Windoze98 Second Edition Upgrade on
Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
I searched my C: drive and found a file called firewall.cpl in the i386
folder.
Is that telling me I have a hardware firewall?
No. A hardware firewall is a box in between your computer and your
cable/DSL modem. Typically it's a router.
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Ann Sanfedele wrote:
I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack
That does bring up some interesting questions:
1. Why won't Adobe make versions of Lightroom Photoshop for Linux?
2. IIRC, there used to be a windoze emulator for Linux called WINE that
was good enough that some earlier versions would run on it. Whatever
happened to that?
3. Mac OS is based
I can't say re Adobe but I used a thumbnail program called ThumbsPlus
and checked on a Linux version of that program. From their FAQ:
...snip... One thing that is bothersome about a Linux port is that so
many of the Linux users who have written have exclaimed how wonderful it
is to have a
DarkTable? http://www.darktable.org/
On 4/8/2014 12:51 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
PS: I'm pretty sure there's a Lightroom clone for Linux - can't remember
the name of it off the top of my head right now - that works a bit
better than Gimp does as a Photoshop clone.
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On Apr 8, 2014, at 9:51 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
That does bring up some interesting questions:
1. Why won't Adobe make versions of Lightroom Photoshop for Linux?
Too much development cost, not enough return on investment. Linux users hate to
pay for anything.
3. Mac
- the XP doomsday thing
Ann Sanfedele wrote:
I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support
will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at
the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way, B
S. Given one has one's own virus protection
So therefore it is a physical thingy I need to buy I gather.
I may get some neighborly help soon - fingers crossed
ann
On 4/8/2014 12:18, Mark Roberts wrote:
Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
I searched my C: drive and found a file called firewall.cpl in the i386
folder.
Is that
On 08/04/2014 11:55 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
So therefore it is a physical thingy I need to buy I gather.
I may get some neighborly help soon - fingers crossed
A hardware firewall (router), resist the temptation to go wireless if
you can, turn off the wireless radio on the router, and tell
Gosh, there are a bunch of paranoid folks on this mailing list.
G
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It's important to keep the cosmic paranoia/smugness ying-yang tiddly-i-po thing
in balance. For every Mac user you need 1024 windows users or the entire
universe will go out of whack. It's a bit like Buddhists spinning a prayer
wheel to keep the earth turning.
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On 8 Apr 2014, at 19:07,
On Mon, Apr 07, 2014 at 09:25:29PM -0700, John Celio wrote:
Just to add my 2?: Windows XP is an incredibly old operating system by
today's standards. Yeah, Vista and Windows 8 were/are pretty awful,
but Windows 7 is great. You really don't need to fear upgrading to 7,
especially since you can
DOn't worry I will NEVER go wireless
thanks for the other info
a
On 4/8/2014 14:01, Bill wrote:
On 08/04/2014 11:55 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
So therefore it is a physical thingy I need to buy I gather.
I may get some neighborly help soon - fingers crossed
A hardware firewall (router),
On 4/8/2014 14:23, John Francis wrote:
On Mon, Apr 07, 2014 at 09:25:29PM -0700, John Celio wrote:
Windows XP mode only works on the Professional, Enterprise Ultimate
versions of Windows 7 - it does not work on the (cheaper) Home version.
This means anyone wanting to go that
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thing in balance.
Truer words were never spoken.
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I wouldn't worry too much Ann. I used Win2K, (not to be confused with
WinME), for a number of years after Microsoft dropped support. It did
everything I needed it to, and only upgraded to XP when I couldn't hack
the OS to get a new printer to work properly, (I was able to find
adequate AV
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Ann Sanfedele wrote:
I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support
will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at
the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way, B
S. Given
on 2014-04-07 20:52 John Coyle wrote
I still have one PC running XP (SP3) and have it behind a router firewall and
anti-virus protection.
Only need it to maintain absolute compatibility with some older systems I've
written, where clients
are still running them, so I won't upgrade it unless it
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Ann Sanfedele wrote:
I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support
will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting
There could have been significant disruptions due to the Y2K problem,
but it was very over hyped, I doubt that planes would have fallen out of
the sky, and a lot of work went into making sure that those disruptions
didn't happen, a lot of busy work was done that wasn't strictly
necessary at
On 8 Apr 2014, at 20:46, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
There could have been significant disruptions due to the Y2K problem, but it
was very over hyped, I doubt that planes would have fallen out of the sky,
and a lot of work went into making sure that those disruptions
On 4/8/2014 1:22 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On Apr 8, 2014, at 9:51 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
wrote:
PS: I'm pretty sure there's a Lightroom clone for Linux - can't
remember the name of it off the top of my head right now - that
works a bit better than Gimp does as a Photoshop
On 4/8/2014 2:06 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
Gosh, there are a bunch of paranoid folks on this mailing list.
G
It's not paranoia if they REALLY ARE out to get you.
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Wireless is pretty safe as long as it’s password protected and you use a
password that is complex and differs from your other passwords. Been wireless
for many years, no problems.
Paul
On Apr 8, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
DOn't worry I will NEVER go wireless
on 2014-04-08 11:22 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote
OS X is built around a Mach kernel and includes a FreeBSD UNIX command-line
environment. Linux is built around a different kernel implementation,
UNIX-like, and similarly includes a FreeBSD-like command-line environment.
There the similarity ends.
I do remember a few stories from after the fact where there were billing
errors due to the date not rolling over correctly. Mostly (99 and
44/100%) it got fixed in time and the few instances where it did slip
through were easily quickly corrected after the fact.
On 4/8/2014 3:45 PM, P.J. Alling
Of John Sessoms
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That does bring up some interesting questions:
1. Why won't Adobe make versions of Lightroom Photoshop for Linux?
2. IIRC, there used to be a windoze emulator for Linux called
Quoting John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:
That does bring up some interesting questions:
2. IIRC, there used to be a windoze emulator for Linux called WINE that
was good enough that some earlier versions would run on it. Whatever
happened to that?
It's still around and still being
I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support
will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at
the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way,
B S. Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is.
Anyone else
On 07/04/2014 5:10 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support
will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at
the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way,
B S. Given one has one's own virus
update to win7, its pretty painless and win7 works pretty well.
On 4/7/2014 7:10 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support
will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at
the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to
Ann Sanfedele wrote:
I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support
will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at
the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way,
B S. Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker,
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Ann Sanfedele wrote:
I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support
Sanfedele
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I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support will
result in all of us
die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at the stroke of midnight is a bit
overstated, or to put
On 4/7/2014 7:10 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support
will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at
the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way,
B S. Given one has one's own virus
On 4/7/2014 7:19 PM, Bill wrote:
On 07/04/2014 5:10 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support
will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at
the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way,
B S.
, April 7, 2014 8:10 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
Ann Sanfedele wrote:
I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support
will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at
the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated
The hardware I'm running XP on might just barely meet the minimums for
Win7, but it wouldn't run worth a damn.
On 4/7/2014 7:32 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:
update to win7, its pretty painless and win7 works pretty well.
On 4/7/2014 7:10 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
I have a feeling the threats from
I have Trend Micro due to renew in about 50 days..
Pretty sure I am connected through a hardware firewall.
ann
On 4/7/2014 20:10, Mark Roberts wrote:
Ann Sanfedele wrote:
I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support
will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting
I should have said update your hardware and OS to win7
On 4/7/2014 11:17 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
The hardware I'm running XP on might just barely meet the minimums for
Win7, but it wouldn't run worth a damn.
On 4/7/2014 7:32 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:
update to win7, its pretty painless and
I just don't see why I should have to do that at all .. and I haven't
got any money to do it with anyway.
What MARk said about the firewall - I'll check, but I'm pretty sure that
is what I have..
ann
On 4/7/2014 23:27, J.C. O'Connell wrote:
I should have said update your hardware and OS to
FWIW, early 2013 I picked up a brand new HP desktop less a monitor for
$400 with decent specs and win7 pre installed.
my old machine with XP was about 6 years old and kicked the bucket ( bad
motherboard ).
On 4/7/2014 11:27 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:
I should have said update your hardware
Just to add my 2¢: Windows XP is an incredibly old operating system by
today's standards. Yeah, Vista and Windows 8 were/are pretty awful,
but Windows 7 is great. You really don't need to fear upgrading to 7,
especially since you can install the XP virtual machine and run all
the old software you
Yes, John, I totally agree. I upgraded some time ago have not looked back.
Perhaps MS should offer free upgrades?
Alan C
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Just to add my 2¢: Windows XP
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That's rich. :-)
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Assuming what you say is true, that's a good compilation, Igor. Thanks.
By the above I don't dispute what you say, just haven't checked it out
for myself.
keith whaley
Igor Roshchin wrote:
Wed Dec 21 20:57:48 EST 2011
Paul Stenquist wrote:
On Dec 21, 2011, at 5:39 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:
Wed Dec 21 20:57:48 EST 2011
Paul Stenquist wrote:
On Dec 21, 2011, at 5:39 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
It's a tragedy of the commons thing. For each business it makes
economic sense to move aspects of production off shore to where
labor
On Dec 22, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:
Wed Dec 21 20:57:48 EST 2011
Paul Stenquist wrote:
On Dec 21, 2011, at 5:39 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
It's a tragedy of the commons thing. For each business it makes
economic sense
Now, they're even trying to outsource writing software. At the moment, the
problem is that few of the Asian programmers have the necessary
mindset to write code well. Then there is the disconnect from managing
projects with teams 8-12 timezones apart. Eventually, the software culture
will
On Dec 22, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Tom C wrote:
I've been saying it for a long time (as I'm affected every day by
either outsourced or on-shored technical workers). When the majority
of the population is working at McDonald's or Walmart, who will be
making the money to buy the SUV's and
On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Tom C wrote:
Now, they're even trying to outsource writing software. At the moment, the
problem is that few of the Asian programmers have the necessary
mindset to write code well. Then there is the disconnect from managing
projects with teams 8-12 timezones
There is something that I find amusing in a complaint about Japanese car
manufacturers putting American car manufacturers at an unfair disadvantage in a
thread about Kodak going out of business on a mailing list about Japanese
cameras.
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On Dec 22, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
There is something that I find amusing in a complaint about Japanese car
manufacturers putting American car manufacturers at an unfair disadvantage in
a thread about Kodak going out of business on a mailing list about Japanese
cameras.
On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Tom C wrote:
Now, they're even trying to outsource writing software. At the moment, the
problem is that few of the Asian programmers have the necessary
mindset to write code well. Then there is the disconnect from managing
projects with teams 8-12 timezones
From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
I've been saying it for a long time (as I'm affected every day by
either outsourced or on-shored technical workers). When the majority
of the population is working at McDonald's or Walmart, who will be
making the money to buy the SUV's and
I like this quote:
A market economy is to economics what democracy is to government: a
decent, if flawed, choice among many bad alternatives.
-- Charles Wheelan, Naked Economics: Undressing the Dismal Science
You may also substitute any other form of government for democracy
in the quote above
On 22/12/2011 1:37 PM, Tom C wrote:
The 'we must remain competitive' argument only works if those
displaced have suitable and equal alternatives to the lost
opportunity. Guess what? That costs money so there's little interest
in doing that, as it again affects short term profitability. Those
On Dec 22, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Tom C wrote:
From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
I've been saying it for a long time (as I'm affected every day by
either outsourced or on-shored technical workers). When the majority
of the population is working at McDonald's or Walmart, who will be
On 22/12/2011 3:42 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
What will big dog eat when little dogs are gone?
Cats.
That's as good an argument as I've ever heard for continuation of the
present capitalist model.
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Chinese made junk is only junky because the companies that outsource
to China cheap out and specify to make the products cheaply.
The Chinese are plenty capable of making very high quality products if
their customers are willing to pay for that quality.
Also, not every thing that used to be made
On Dec 22, 2011, at 5:26 PM, David Parsons wrote:
Chinese made junk is only junky because the companies that outsource
to China cheap out and specify to make the products cheaply.
The Chinese are plenty capable of making very high quality products if
their customers are willing to pay for
From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
Capitalism is in the process of cannibalizing itself because it
ultimately relies on people, and when it discards people as not
needed, it's eating itself away from the inside out. It's dog eat dog.
What will big dog eat when little dogs are gone?
From: Tom C
I've been saying it for a long time (as I'm affected every day by
either outsourced or on-shored technical workers). When the majority
of the population is working at McDonald's or Walmart, who will be
making the money to buy the SUV's and flat-screen TV's?
I'm not sure it's a
From: Stan Halpin
On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Tom C wrote:
Now, they're even trying to outsource writing software. At the moment, the
problem is that few of the Asian programmers have the necessary
mindset to write code well. Then there is the disconnect from managing projects
with teams
6. Re: OT - Kodak Created it's own Doomsday Device (John Sessoms)
When I worked as a contractor for the IBM PC Company back in the late
90s, 3 out of 4 of the people in my department were there on H1b visas.
IBM *STRONGLY* discouraged discussion of compensation, but if you kept
your mouth
I believe you 100%. It's also why when I hear politicians talk about
job creation I know it's just a bunch of hooey since many of them,
regardless of party, are board members and/or major stock holders in
the corporations that have these practices.
It's also why I live where I do now (not that
[...]
Eventually, China and India will outsource to other, poorer parts of
the world as their workforce becomes too expensive, and the process
will continue on. I predict that Africa will be the next big
outsourcing region.
I'm helping a team at work recruit someone to look after an
http://www.marketplace.org/topics/business/economy-40/decline-kodak-offers-lessons-us-business
A story on Marketplace, transcript and audio. Interesting reader comments also.
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they say it offers a lesson for US business, but IBM did the same thing -
twice (DOS and Oracle) - and
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comments also.
Tom C.
they say it offers a lesson for US business, but IBM did the same thing -
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comments also.
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they say it offers a lesson
From: Bruce Walker
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
http://www.marketplace.org/topics/business/economy-40/decline-kodak-
offers-lessons-us-business
A story on Marketplace, transcript and audio. Interesting reader
comments also.
Tom C.
they say it offers a
On Dec 21, 2011, at 2:16 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
From: Bruce Walker
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
http://www.marketplace.org/topics/business/economy-40/decline-kodak-
offers-lessons-us-business
A story on Marketplace, transcript and audio.
On Dec 21, 2011, at 5:39 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
On Dec 21, 2011, at 2:16 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
From: Bruce Walker
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
http://www.marketplace.org/topics/business/economy-40/decline-kodak-
offers-lessons-us-business
A
On Dec 21, 2011, at 2:16 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
From: Bruce Walker
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Bob W pdml at web-options.com
wrote:
http://www.marketplace.org/topics/business/economy-40/decline-kodak-
offers-lessons-us-business
A story on Marketplace, transcript and audio.
Wed Dec 21 20:57:48 EST 2011
Paul Stenquist wrote:
On Dec 21, 2011, at 5:39 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
It's a tragedy of the commons thing. For each business it makes
economic sense to move aspects of production off shore to where
labor is cheaper. After a while, nobody is building anything
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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From: Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org
Subject: Re: OT - Kodak Created it's own Doomsday Device
Wed Dec 21 20:57:48 EST 2011
Paul Stenquist wrote:
On Dec 21, 2011, at 5:39 PM, Larry Colen wrote
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