For Sale Thursday - topical wide angle goodies
Folks, excuse me foisting these upon you, but I have decided that 3rd party items, however stunning they might be, basically don't sell. Thus I can exclusively offer the following, all at large reductions: Kiron 28mm F2 PK £30 (Was £40) Sigma 24mm F2.8 PKA Boxed with hood £55 (Was £75) Vivitar 24-48mm F3.8 £60 (Was £95) Sigma 28mm F2.8 Mini-wide PK £20 ((Was £29) All are in at least excellent condition and come with a full complement of f+r caps. At this time I prefer payment by PayPal. Worldwide shipping will be at cost (as it always is - in fact sometimes I diddle myself!). The dearest item to ship will be the 24-48 weighing in at a hefty 578 grammes. This would cost £6 to send Special Delivery in the UK, £6 air/uninsured to Europe, and £10 air/uninsured to USA/Canada. Figure £1=US$1.60. Our usual 12 month guarantee will be included. Kind regards from sunny Brighton Peter
Re: err.... umm....
Arathi-Sridhar wrote: rather a basic (bordering stupid) query... how do I 'care' for my K1000? I guess it would not tolerate rain, etc. I have not taken it out in bad weather, but I wish to know how safe it is etc If you don't get it soaking wet I guess a drying towel will be enough. It's a very rugged camera and the lack of almost any electronics makes it rather insensible to humidity. It's still a camera, though. also would like some advise regarding the upcoming pug theme 'juxtaposition' for december: anything in particular? or anything at all? thanks. You have to make up your own mind. Everything is OK as long as you can justify the reason for submitting the image. It doesn't even have to be a sensible reason. Ciao, Flavio
Re: Thanks Amita
bob, ouch. I'm stung. I think you should demand your money back. Even though I am under no obligation whatsoever to come up with a way to deal with Hotmail's massive inefficiency, that's what I've been trying to do. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you for willingness to work with me. regards, Doug At 07:39 PM 9/18/02 -0700, you wrote: Hi Doug, Fun like watching a game of ping pong, eh? I would like to take this opportunity to thank you also. With regard and THANKS, Robert
Re: SMC-A 35-105 f3.5 - Debate Continues ?
Hi Bob, Both you and Alan Chan state the same thing. I'm going to run a quick test with whatever film I have remaining in the LX right now (HP5) and see. In the viewfinder it looks like it goes a bit out of focus as I zoom out to 35 (after focusing at 105). I'm not sure whether this is reflected in the photos as the last time I was out using the Lens (with Jeff and Frank @ our August TOPDML get together) the images were still in focus after the fact. So I can live with the it looks out of focus in the viewfinder @ 35mm as long as the images remain sharp. I'll perform the test with the lens wide open at f3.5. Cheers, Dave Original Message: - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:04:12 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SMC-A 35-105 f3.5 - Debate Continues ? David, This lens is not varifocal. You should be able to focus at 105 and zoom to 35, all the while staying in focus... Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm confused by my lack of memory. Is this lens varifocal ? For one reason or another I keep thinking I DON'T have to refocus if I zoom OUT from 105 to 35. mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re: SMC-A 35-105 f3.5 - Debate Continues ?
David, I have the same inclination to mess with the focus whenever I zoom it to 35mm. Sometimes I think I can improve focus, sometimes I don't. Given the inconsistent nature of my observations, I've figured it was focusing error...on my part. g Let us know what you find. Perhaps the lens can slip out of alignment over the years? Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Both you and Alan Chan state the same thing. I'm going to run a quick test with whatever film I have remaining in the LX right now (HP5) and see. In the viewfinder it looks like it goes a bit out of focus as I zoom out to 35 (after focusing at 105). I'm not sure whether this is reflected in the photos as the last time I was out using the Lens (with Jeff and Frank @ our August TOPDML get together) the images were still in focus after the fact. So I can live with the it looks out of focus in the viewfinder @ 35mm as long as the images remain sharp. I'll perform the test with the lens wide open at f3.5. Cheers, Dave Original Message: - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:04:12 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SMC-A 35-105 f3.5 - Debate Continues ? David, This lens is not varifocal. You should be able to focus at 105 and zoom to 35, all the while staying in focus...
Re: SMC-A 35-105 f3.5 - Debate Continues ?
Bob, That's what I'm figuring. If so, I'm also going to call Pentax Canada and find out the cost of a CLA on this lens. Alan Chan claims that its a b*tch to do because of it's zoom but it can't be any MORE than say, a Leica M6 CLA ($350 CDN). :-) I'll keep the list informed. Cheers, Dave Original Message: - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:05:24 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SMC-A 35-105 f3.5 - Debate Continues ? David, I have the same inclination to mess with the focus whenever I zoom it to 35mm. Sometimes I think I can improve focus, sometimes I don't. Given the inconsistent nature of my observations, I've figured it was focusing error...on my part. g Let us know what you find. Perhaps the lens can slip out of alignment over the years? Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Both you and Alan Chan state the same thing. I'm going to run a quick test with whatever film I have remaining in the LX right now (HP5) and see. In the viewfinder it looks like it goes a bit out of focus as I zoom out to 35 (after focusing at 105). I'm not sure whether this is reflected in the photos as the last time I was out using the Lens (with Jeff and Frank @ our August TOPDML get together) the images were still in focus after the fact. So I can live with the it looks out of focus in the viewfinder @ 35mm as long as the images remain sharp. I'll perform the test with the lens wide open at f3.5. Cheers, Dave Original Message: - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:04:12 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SMC-A 35-105 f3.5 - Debate Continues ? David, This lens is not varifocal. You should be able to focus at 105 and zoom to 35, all the while staying in focus... mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re: Aaron's shop
Hi Frank.Nice place,eh.I bought my chemicals from him too.:)BTW my BW course starts next Wednesday and the instructor has asked us to bring in 1 roll to start on right a way.I'm pumped. Dave Begin Original Message From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:37:18 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Aaron's shop Dave Chang-Sang and I made the trek from Toronto out to Aaron's shop in Oakville tonight. It was my first time out there. Loads of fun!! I bought a 77mm red filter for my Vivitar S1 24-48 for a pretty decent price, and Dave bought a bunch of chemicals and stuff. After talking with Dave and Aaron, I think I'll definitely take the plunge and invest the few dollars necessary to start to develop my own bw negs. Seems like it'll be cheap, easy and fun. Aaron also had (on consignment) a Besseler enlarger and a Rodenstock enlarging lens, for what seemed a good price. Too bad I live in a little bachelor apartment, with no place to put an enlarger, let alone use it. Even so, it's still very tempting... Also saw some beautiful prints of Prague that Aaron took with the 6x7 on his honeymoon. Aaron has a terrific eye, and that camera really rocks, too! All in all, a good time. I'll have to make the trip out there again soon (to pick up my chemicals). regards, frank -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Jessops sale and for sale...
According to this week's BJP Jessops are selling their end of line and excess stock on E bay. Could be some bargains there or you could of course spend more than you want to. Also http://search.ft.com/search/article.html?id=020917000371query=abn%20jes sopsvsc_appId=totalSearchstate=Form Jessops also sees opportunities in the fragmented camera retailing market in continental Europe. Mr Hine says: The obvious ones to look at are Italy and Germany, and on the smaller side, Holland. I had noted earlier today, that there was a lot meore than usual in the clearance section online: http://www.jessops.com/search/clearanceshowsubdept.cfm?node=143 http://www.jessops.com/search/clearanceshowsubdept.cfm?node=144 http://www.jessops.com/search/clearanceshowsubdept.cfm?node=384 There is quite a bit of Pentax gear, albeit mainly 645 stuff including 645 300mm LENS f4 ED(IF) WITH CASE £2349.99 and a lot of pentax fit 3rd party stuff. Not sure how good the prices are, but there is never this much Pentax stuff on clearance normally!!
Dry firing (was sillycon film)
Hi, Rob wrote: The big question is whethter all cameras are consistent in this respect? I am guessing many will see the existence of a film due to a pressure sensor in the film chamber as you describe, but some may be as Mike says where the film is detected by movement of a toothed wheel or IR detection of film movement over the film plate when the take up spool is advanced. The other thing is do all cameras using a sensor in the film chamber have the sensor in the same place? It makes sense to use the DX pins as you describe, but that does not mean all cameras do it the sensible way!! There may be a sensor in the cassette area of the body but it will not be able to tell the camera that the film is advancing... All the AF cameras I have seen automatically try to advance film when the back is closed, even if there is no cassette loaded. It seems to me that only DX sensors are in the cassette area. Therefore, silicon film inserts for Pentax will need some mechanical parts to simulate film presence. These will be power consuming and prone to wear and tear. They will also need to fit into a space designed for the film - a very thin place, indeed. It's looking bad, to me. mike
Re: err...ummm...
Hi, Arathi wrote: also would like some advise regarding the upcoming pug theme 'juxtaposition' for december: anything in particular? or anything at all? thanks. Don't know about anyone else but I'm just going to throw something together for this one.. mike
Re: more Photokina info (Now WELL OT!!)
Rob, from my Larousse: Vedette: patrol boat, scout; star, leading man, leading lady. Seems definition #2 is what you want, but weren't offered! BTW, 'lumineaux' is quite definitely luminous. They offer no alternate meaning. Seems to me it fits a description of a 120-300mm f/2.8 quite nicely! I hope Babelfish doesn't give up it's day job! keith whaley Rob Brigham wrote: I also assumed the translation or 'vedette' by babelfish to 'high-speed motorboat' was incorrect - but I could be wrong, maybe all the manufacturers are displaying their wares on speedboats!!! -Original Message- From: Rob Brigham Sent: 19 September 2002 09:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: more Photokina info My apologies, I tried to tidy the babelfish translation and interpreted its tranlation of 'lumineux' as lightweight - presumably it actually means something to do with the large aperture? -Original Message- From: David A. Mann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 September 2002 08:24 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: more Photokina info Rob Brigham wrote: (new Sigma lenses) - zoom 120-300mm F2,8 EX IF HSM is a lightweight ultra télézoom constant F2,8 and HSM. = snipped =
RE: Dry firing (was sillycon film)
No, you are missing the point, what they need to do is convince the camera that there is no film so that it 'dry-fires' and doesn't expect film advance to occur. That should be far simpler than doing what I initially thought and what you are now thinking - i.e. trying to convince it the film it thinks it has loaded has advanced successully. -Original Message- From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 September 2002 14:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Dry firing (was sillycon film) Hi, Rob wrote: The big question is whethter all cameras are consistent in this respect? I am guessing many will see the existence of a film due to a pressure sensor in the film chamber as you describe, but some may be as Mike says where the film is detected by movement of a toothed wheel or IR detection of film movement over the film plate when the take up spool is advanced. The other thing is do all cameras using a sensor in the film chamber have the sensor in the same place? It makes sense to use the DX pins as you describe, but that does not mean all cameras do it the sensible way!! There may be a sensor in the cassette area of the body but it will not be able to tell the camera that the film is advancing... All the AF cameras I have seen automatically try to advance film when the back is closed, even if there is no cassette loaded. It seems to me that only DX sensors are in the cassette area. Therefore, silicon film inserts for Pentax will need some mechanical parts to simulate film presence. These will be power consuming and prone to wear and tear. They will also need to fit into a space designed for the film - a very thin place, indeed. It's looking bad, to me. mike
RE: more Photokina info (Now WELL OT!!)
-Original Message- From: Keith Whaley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Rob, from my Larousse: Vedette: patrol boat, scout; star, leading man, leading lady. Seems definition #2 is what you want, but weren't offered! Even better, they might be displaying their products on leading men and ladies!! BTW, 'lumineaux' is quite definitely luminous. They offer no alternate meaning. Seems to me it fits a description of a 120-300mm f/2.8 quite nicely! Wow - A luminous lens!!! This would fit quite well with the lens mount light on the MZ-S, and would really put all those people with white lenses down a peg or two in the showoff stakes!!
RE: Dry firing (was sillycon film)
BTW, I love the change to the title of this thread!! -Original Message- From: Rob Brigham Sent: 19 September 2002 14:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Dry firing (was sillycon film) No, you are missing the point, what they need to do is convince the camera that there is no film so that it 'dry-fires' and doesn't expect film advance to occur. That should be far simpler than doing what I initially thought and what you are now thinking - i.e. trying to convince it the film it thinks it has loaded has advanced successully. -Original Message- From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 September 2002 14:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Dry firing (was sillycon film) Hi, Rob wrote: The big question is whethter all cameras are consistent in this respect? I am guessing many will see the existence of a film due to a pressure sensor in the film chamber as you describe, but some may be as Mike says where the film is detected by movement of a toothed wheel or IR detection of film movement over the film plate when the take up spool is advanced. The other thing is do all cameras using a sensor in the film chamber have the sensor in the same place? It makes sense to use the DX pins as you describe, but that does not mean all cameras do it the sensible way!! There may be a sensor in the cassette area of the body but it will not be able to tell the camera that the film is advancing... All the AF cameras I have seen automatically try to advance film when the back is closed, even if there is no cassette loaded. It seems to me that only DX sensors are in the cassette area. Therefore, silicon film inserts for Pentax will need some mechanical parts to simulate film presence. These will be power consuming and prone to wear and tear. They will also need to fit into a space designed for the film - a very thin place, indeed. It's looking bad, to me. mike
Re: Aaron's shop
BW course where? where do I sign up lol. Aaron set me up with a fulll darkroom 8 months ago and now I'm over 400 prints made and 50 rolls of film developed myself, the savings are well worth it. --- David Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Frank.Nice place,eh.I bought my chemicals from him too.:)BTW my BW course starts next Wednesday and the instructor has asked us to bring in 1 roll to start on right a way.I'm pumped. Dave Begin Original Message From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:37:18 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Aaron's shop Dave Chang-Sang and I made the trek from Toronto out to Aaron's shop in Oakville tonight. It was my first time out there. Loads of fun!! I bought a 77mm red filter for my Vivitar S1 24-48 for a pretty decent price, and Dave bought a bunch of chemicals and stuff. After talking with Dave and Aaron, I think I'll definitely take the plunge and invest the few dollars necessary to start to develop my own bw negs. Seems like it'll be cheap, easy and fun. Aaron also had (on consignment) a Besseler enlarger and a Rodenstock enlarging lens, for what seemed a good price. Too bad I live in a little bachelor apartment, with no place to put an enlarger, let alone use it. Even so, it's still very tempting... Also saw some beautiful prints of Prague that Aaron took with the 6x7 on his honeymoon. Aaron has a terrific eye, and that camera really rocks, too! All in all, a good time. I'll have to make the trip out there again soon (to pick up my chemicals). regards, frank -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: Aaron's shop
I snagged a FREE (yep.. free) 35mm Enlarger a few weeks back from a guy who just wanted to get rid of it. Granted it's not name brand (it's only a Patterson) and the lens is no Rodenstock but hey.. it's FREE. I can develop my own film already (thanks to all of you folk) so maybe this weekend I'll try my hand at printing... all I really need is chems.. I've got the trays too !! Plus I figure this will save me money! (i.e. hard for me to spend oodles of cash when I'm in a dark tiny bathroom inhaling the fumes of the photo chemicals.. hmmm... remind me to tell you all about the dream I had where I pictured myself in a boat on a river with tangerine streams and marmalade skies..) Smirkingly, Dave Original Message: - From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:59:55 -0400 (EDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Aaron's shop BW course where? where do I sign up lol. Aaron set me up with a fulll darkroom 8 months ago and now I'm over 400 prints made and 50 rolls of film developed myself, the savings are well worth it. --- David Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Frank.Nice place,eh.I bought my chemicals from him too.:)BTW my BW course starts next Wednesday and the instructor has asked us to bring in 1 roll to start on right a way.I'm pumped. Dave Begin Original Message From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:37:18 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Aaron's shop Dave Chang-Sang and I made the trek from Toronto out to Aaron's shop in Oakville tonight. It was my first time out there. Loads of fun!! I bought a 77mm red filter for my Vivitar S1 24-48 for a pretty decent price, and Dave bought a bunch of chemicals and stuff. After talking with Dave and Aaron, I think I'll definitely take the plunge and invest the few dollars necessary to start to develop my own bw negs. Seems like it'll be cheap, easy and fun. Aaron also had (on consignment) a Besseler enlarger and a Rodenstock enlarging lens, for what seemed a good price. Too bad I live in a little bachelor apartment, with no place to put an enlarger, let alone use it. Even so, it's still very tempting... Also saw some beautiful prints of Prague that Aaron took with the 6x7 on his honeymoon. Aaron has a terrific eye, and that camera really rocks, too! All in all, a good time. I'll have to make the trip out there again soon (to pick up my chemicals). regards, frank -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re: Aaron's shop
don't drink the developer :-) despite the fact it tastes good --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I snagged a FREE (yep.. free) 35mm Enlarger a few weeks back from a guy who just wanted to get rid of it. Granted it's not name brand (it's only a Patterson) and the lens is no Rodenstock but hey.. it's FREE. I can develop my own film already (thanks to all of you folk) so maybe this weekend I'll try my hand at printing... all I really need is chems.. I've got the trays too !! Plus I figure this will save me money! (i.e. hard for me to spend oodles of cash when I'm in a dark tiny bathroom inhaling the fumes of the photo chemicals.. hmmm... remind me to tell you all about the dream I had where I pictured myself in a boat on a river with tangerine streams and marmalade skies..) Smirkingly, Dave Original Message: - From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:59:55 -0400 (EDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Aaron's shop BW course where? where do I sign up lol. Aaron set me up with a fulll darkroom 8 months ago and now I'm over 400 prints made and 50 rolls of film developed myself, the savings are well worth it. --- David Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Frank.Nice place,eh.I bought my chemicals from him too.:)BTW my BW course starts next Wednesday and the instructor has asked us to bring in 1 roll to start on right a way.I'm pumped. Dave Begin Original Message From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:37:18 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Aaron's shop Dave Chang-Sang and I made the trek from Toronto out to Aaron's shop in Oakville tonight. It was my first time out there. Loads of fun!! I bought a 77mm red filter for my Vivitar S1 24-48 for a pretty decent price, and Dave bought a bunch of chemicals and stuff. After talking with Dave and Aaron, I think I'll definitely take the plunge and invest the few dollars necessary to start to develop my own bw negs. Seems like it'll be cheap, easy and fun. Aaron also had (on consignment) a Besseler enlarger and a Rodenstock enlarging lens, for what seemed a good price. Too bad I live in a little bachelor apartment, with no place to put an enlarger, let alone use it. Even so, it's still very tempting... Also saw some beautiful prints of Prague that Aaron took with the 6x7 on his honeymoon. Aaron has a terrific eye, and that camera really rocks, too! All in all, a good time. I'll have to make the trip out there again soon (to pick up my chemicals). regards, frank -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: err.... umm....
the k1000 is a tank, it can actually get alittle wet in rain and survive. --- Arathi-Sridhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rather a basic (bordering stupid) query... how do I 'care' for my K1000? I guess it would not tolerate rain, etc. I have not taken it out in bad weather, but I wish to know how safe it is etc. also would like some advise regarding the upcoming pug theme 'juxtaposition' for december: anything in particular? or anything at all? thanks. __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
RE: more Photkina information
According to Colorfoto-Website (German Photo-magazin) Kodak will show a 16 MP SLR at photokina. http://www.netedition.de/sixcms/detail.php3?id=29445 Speculation abounds: Kodak already has a 16-Megapixel digital back for professional cameras in their lineup. This chip would only have to be modified slightly, in order to fit into a small SLR camera. Officially Kodak still wraps itself in silence. Could this be it: http://www.kodak.com/US/plugins/acrobat/en/digital/ccd/kai11000.pdf From DPReview: 35mm format, 10.8MP. It is designed for professional digital still camera applications, according to the sheet. Could this be the sensor in the next Kodak DCS camera? It would offer full-frame coverage and, because it's an interline-transfer sensor, fast shutter speeds. Apparently not an impressive frame rate, though; they talk of 1-3 fps. Don't know whose body Kodak is going to install it in? Pseee Mr Pentax??!?!?!?
Re: Re: Brown Spotmatic?
I have never seen a brown one,but i never knew they existed to bother looking.My SP500 is silver,if it was ever brown the salt water wore it away:) :) Dave Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: Re: Aaron's shop
They have a new, this year, course at Alexander Mckenzie High school in Richmond Hill. $180.00 Can. for 8 weeks 3 hours every Wednesday.The chemicals and use of the schools darkroom(s) included. I wonder what my homework assinment will beG Dave Begin Original Message From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:59:55 -0400 (EDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Aaron's shop BW course where? where do I sign up lol. Aaron set me up with a fulll darkroom 8 months ago and now I'm over 400 prints made and 50 rolls of film developed myself, the savings are well worth it. --- David Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Frank.Nice place,eh.I bought my chemicals from him too.:)BTW my BW course starts next Wednesday and the instructor has asked us to bring in 1 roll to start on right a way.I'm pumped. Dave Begin Original Message From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:37:18 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Aaron's shop Dave Chang-Sang and I made the trek from Toronto out to Aaron's shop in Oakville tonight. It was my first time out there. Loads of fun!! I bought a 77mm red filter for my Vivitar S1 24-48 for a pretty decent price, and Dave bought a bunch of chemicals and stuff. After talking with Dave and Aaron, I think I'll definitely take the plunge and invest the few dollars necessary to start to develop my own bw negs. Seems like it'll be cheap, easy and fun. Aaron also had (on consignment) a Besseler enlarger and a Rodenstock enlarging lens, for what seemed a good price. Too bad I live in a little bachelor apartment, with no place to put an enlarger, let alone use it. Even so, it's still very tempting... Also saw some beautiful prints of Prague that Aaron took with the 6x7 on his honeymoon. Aaron has a terrific eye, and that camera really rocks, too! All in all, a good time. I'll have to make the trip out there again soon (to pick up my chemicals). regards, frank -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Pentax Binoculars?
Have anyone had any experience with those? Specifically, I am interested in PCF V 20x60, which seem to be available for circa $139 from Cameraland. Also, anyone has dealt with this merchant? Best, Mishka
RE: more Photkina information
Sorry to (maybe) burst your bubble Rob.. But I've heard rumour from the List moderator on the HUG that there's plans to have an inexpensive digital back for the Blad. It could be for the Blad.. I don't know for sure.. but I'm just saying it could be :) Cheers, Dave Original Message: - From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:28:16 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: more Photkina information According to Colorfoto-Website (German Photo-magazin) Kodak will show a 16 MP SLR at photokina. http://www.netedition.de/sixcms/detail.php3?id=29445 Speculation abounds: Kodak already has a 16-Megapixel digital back for professional cameras in their lineup. This chip would only have to be modified slightly, in order to fit into a small SLR camera. Officially Kodak still wraps itself in silence. Could this be it: http://www.kodak.com/US/plugins/acrobat/en/digital/ccd/kai11000.pdf From DPReview: 35mm format, 10.8MP. It is designed for professional digital still camera applications, according to the sheet. Could this be the sensor in the next Kodak DCS camera? It would offer full-frame coverage and, because it's an interline-transfer sensor, fast shutter speeds. Apparently not an impressive frame rate, though; they talk of 1-3 fps. Don't know whose body Kodak is going to install it in? Pseee Mr Pentax??!?!?!? mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re: Re: Aaron's shop
- Original Message - From: David Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:44 AM Subject: Re: Re: Aaron's shop They have a new, this year, course at Alexander Mckenzie High school in Richmond Hill. $180.00 Can. for 8 weeks 3 hours every Wednesday.The chemicals and use of the schools darkroom(s) included. I wonder what my homework assinment will beG Did the tell you that you have to wear a uniform? Those are the Richmond Hill High School rules VBG I hope I can make it out to Aaron's shop for some film supplies for my 2 weeks Muskoka outing. Jeff
Re: err...ummm...
mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arathi wrote: also would like some advise regarding the upcoming pug theme 'juxtaposition' for december: anything in particular? or anything at all? thanks. Don't know about anyone else but I'm just going to throw something together for this one.. Personally, I'm beside myself wondering what to do... -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photorgaphy and writing
RE: Dry firing (was sillycon film)
Hi Rob, The only way I can see that they can convince a film camera that it can fire is to convince it that there _is_ film there. With all the Pentax models I've seen, that means using a mechanical method to fool it into thinking that. With others that use LEDs, the solution is much simpler. m
RE: err...ummm...
I particularly liked this shot with a Pentax recently... http://groups.msn.com/APMembersGallery/donerumble.msnw?action=ShowPhoto; PhotoID=8378 -Original Message- From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 September 2002 14:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: err...ummm... Hi, Arathi wrote: also would like some advise regarding the upcoming pug theme 'juxtaposition' for december: anything in particular? or anything at all? thanks. Don't know about anyone else but I'm just going to throw something together for this one.. mike
RE: err...ummm...
-Original Message- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photorgaphy and writing ^^^ Maybe you should stick to one or the other? HAR! tv
RE: err...ummm...
-Original Message- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arathi wrote: also would like some advise regarding the upcoming pug theme 'juxtaposition' for december: anything in particular? or anything at all? thanks. Don't know about anyone else but I'm just going to throw something together for this one.. Personally, I'm beside myself wondering what to do... Oh, just do a little of this and that. tv
RE: Dry firing (was sillycon film)
NO NO NO. Your camera fires even if there is no film in it. This avoids the great problems of trying to convince it the film has wound successfully. Have you never tested a camera in a shop without film in? The shutter still fires. -Original Message- From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 September 2002 16:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Dry firing (was sillycon film) Hi Rob, The only way I can see that they can convince a film camera that it can fire is to convince it that there _is_ film there. With all the Pentax models I've seen, that means using a mechanical method to fool it into thinking that. With others that use LEDs, the solution is much simpler. m
Re: Pentax Binoculars?
No info on this particular model, but I'm very pleased with my 8x24 compacts. Hope you have a good, solid tripod for those 20x60's as every heartbeat will be magnified by a factor of 20 8-) Bill - Original Message - From: Mike Ignatiev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:43 AM Subject: Pentax Binoculars? Have anyone had any experience with those? Specifically, I am interested in PCF V 20x60, which seem to be available for circa $139 from Cameraland. Also, anyone has dealt with this merchant? Best, Mishka
Re: err...ummm...
tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photorgaphy and writing ^^^ Maybe you should stick to one or the other? HAR! Yikes! That sig's been like that for ages and you're the first one to notice! Dunno what that says aboout the rest of us... Let's see if it's fixed now. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photography and writing
Re: Dry firing (was: Silicon film, etc)
The only modern camera that I've experience with that sensed weather the film loaded or not is the zx-m. If film is loaded and it isn't advancing the shutter still fires, the camera just doesn't count frames. If I remember correctly this is consistent with many other older model cameras that I've handled. Even in this age where camera manufactures try to idiot proof everything the cost of doing so would be prohibitive. Most cameras will probably set the correct aperture and shutter speed and auto focus regardless of correct film insertion. (Those few that did fail to fire without film could be fooled by a cardboard insert, many came with one). At 09:42 AM 9/19/2002 +0100, you wrote: Hi, Jostein wrote: However, the check for presence of film doesn't start until the back lid is shut. Surely the (correctly loaded) presence of film is detected by the toothed wheels to the right of the film gate? If these turn when the advance motor is working, film is loaded and the camera will fire. If they don't, the film is misloaded or not present and it will not. I don't see how the insert will overcome this. It will be much easier to deal with those units which use LEDs to monitor film movement. mike
RE: Silicon Film is still alive... (??????)
Don't think of it as advancing the film. Think of it as cocking the shutter. At 12:34 PM 9/19/2002 +0100, you wrote: Cheers Jostein, I was on the verge of sacrificing a roll of film to test this last night, but I thought... Nah, let Jostein do it!! The big question is whethter all cameras are consistent in this respect? I am guessing many will see the existence of a film due to a pressure sensor in the film chamber as you describe, but some may be as Mike says where the film is detected by movement of a toothed wheel or IR detection of film movement over the film plate when the take up spool is advanced. The other thing is do all cameras using a sensor in the film chamber have the sensor in the same place? It makes sense to use the DX pins as you describe, but that does not mean all cameras do it the sensible way!! What I find even more interesting (in a sad way) is that older cameras will still require the user to manually wind on after taking a digital picture!!! I find this rather amusing and quite cool! -Original Message- From: Jostein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 September 2002 08:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Silicon Film is still alive... (??) Curiosity still not satisfied. This is what I've found so far: Any film canister will return an error when loaded if the camera (Z-1) doesn't pick up the lip of the film. I still don't know the exact way the camera recognise a film canister for what it is, but the DX coding as a single factor can be ruled out. A Kodak HIE without DX coding produce the same response as do a DX coded film. I also got the same response if I covered the entire canister with tape or paper. However, the check for presence of film doesn't start until the back lid is shut. When shut, the back lid puts a bit of pressure on the canister to keep it in place. If that's significant, the DX code contact points may still have a part to play. They are the only movable parts in the film compartment. My current theory is that as they are pushed back by the film canister, they short a presence cirquit. The Z-1 has other contacts that could be used to confirm that the back is in fact closed. Ok, this is guesswork, but I think it's a qualified guess. If i'm right, it means that an eFilm would need grooves to avoid depressing the DX connectors to work with Z-1. It could be that it's still possible to read the DX code, though. Jostein -- Original Message -- From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:31:25 +0200 Not sure about the camera thinking it's empty. With the Z-1, you have to pull the film lip well to the right of the shutter window before the camera tries to wind it on. OTOH, I have a suspicion that this might also have something to do with the ISO recognition system... Now you got me curious. Got to check out a few things with the Z-1 when I get home from work. Jostein -- Original Message -- From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:19:06 +0100 Actually, you are right although I do still wonder. The 'dry- firing' I should have thought of is a good point, but will a camera 'dry- fire' with a film canister inside the camera? Surely it would try to load a film and when unable to do so, signal an error? This could be the key - how does the efilm make the camera think it is empty? Also, it would then only work with cameras that had manual ISO setting? How many entry models does this count out (not that I am worried). Frame counting is not really an issue when you can zap old frames and they are all different sizes - only memory usage left. . .
RE: Silicon Film is still alive... (??????)
The shutter is cocked either independantly or by movement of the take up spools. It has nothing to do with film advancement unless really old cameras do it this way (I would be surprised). My Zenit E and P30T both recock the shutter even if there is no film in them. -Original Message- From: Peter Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 September 2002 16:36 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Silicon Film is still alive... (??) Don't think of it as advancing the film. Think of it as cocking the shutter. At 12:34 PM 9/19/2002 +0100, you wrote: Cheers Jostein, I was on the verge of sacrificing a roll of film to test this last night, but I thought... Nah, let Jostein do it!! The big question is whethter all cameras are consistent in this respect? I am guessing many will see the existence of a film due to a pressure sensor in the film chamber as you describe, but some may be as Mike says where the film is detected by movement of a toothed wheel or IR detection of film movement over the film plate when the take up spool is advanced. The other thing is do all cameras using a sensor in the film chamber have the sensor in the same place? It makes sense to use the DX pins as you describe, but that does not mean all cameras do it the sensible way!! What I find even more interesting (in a sad way) is that older cameras will still require the user to manually wind on after taking a digital picture!!! I find this rather amusing and quite cool! -Original Message- From: Jostein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 September 2002 08:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Silicon Film is still alive... (??) Curiosity still not satisfied. This is what I've found so far: Any film canister will return an error when loaded if the camera (Z-1) doesn't pick up the lip of the film. I still don't know the exact way the camera recognise a film canister for what it is, but the DX coding as a single factor can be ruled out. A Kodak HIE without DX coding produce the same response as do a DX coded film. I also got the same response if I covered the entire canister with tape or paper. However, the check for presence of film doesn't start until the back lid is shut. When shut, the back lid puts a bit of pressure on the canister to keep it in place. If that's significant, the DX code contact points may still have a part to play. They are the only movable parts in the film compartment. My current theory is that as they are pushed back by the film canister, they short a presence cirquit. The Z-1 has other contacts that could be used to confirm that the back is in fact closed. Ok, this is guesswork, but I think it's a qualified guess. If i'm right, it means that an eFilm would need grooves to avoid depressing the DX connectors to work with Z-1. It could be that it's still possible to read the DX code, though. Jostein -- Original Message -- From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:31:25 +0200 Not sure about the camera thinking it's empty. With the Z-1, you have to pull the film lip well to the right of the shutter window before the camera tries to wind it on. OTOH, I have a suspicion that this might also have something to do with the ISO recognition system... Now you got me curious. Got to check out a few things with the Z-1 when I get home from work. Jostein -- Original Message -- From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:19:06 +0100 Actually, you are right although I do still wonder. The 'dry- firing' I should have thought of is a good point, but will a camera 'dry- fire' with a film canister inside the camera? Surely it would try to load a film and when unable to do so, signal an error? This could be the key - how does the efilm make the camera think it is empty? Also, it would then only work with cameras that had manual ISO setting? How many entry models does this count out (not that I am worried). Frame counting is not really an issue when you can zap old frames and they are all different sizes - only memory usage left. . .
RE: Dry firing (was: Silicon film, etc)
This is not my experience at all. Any 'electronic' camera I have ever used flashes an 'E' and locks up if the film wont load. (MZ-30, MZ-S, mjuii, Ixus etc) Also, I have noticed on the MZ-S that when the film is finished and rewinds you cannot fire the shutter again until you open and close the back. -Original Message- From: Peter Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 September 2002 16:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dry firing (was: Silicon film, etc) The only modern camera that I've experience with that sensed weather the film loaded or not is the zx-m. If film is loaded and it isn't advancing the shutter still fires, the camera just doesn't count frames. If I remember correctly this is consistent with many other older model cameras that I've handled. Even in this age where camera manufactures try to idiot proof everything the cost of doing so would be prohibitive. Most cameras will probably set the correct aperture and shutter speed and auto focus regardless of correct film insertion. (Those few that did fail to fire without film could be fooled by a cardboard insert, many came with one). At 09:42 AM 9/19/2002 +0100, you wrote: Hi, Jostein wrote: However, the check for presence of film doesn't start until the back lid is shut. Surely the (correctly loaded) presence of film is detected by the toothed wheels to the right of the film gate? If these turn when the advance motor is working, film is loaded and the camera will fire. If they don't, the film is misloaded or not present and it will not. I don't see how the insert will overcome this. It will be much easier to deal with those units which use LEDs to monitor film movement. mike
Re: Photos of new Sigmas
Fantasctic (120-300 f2.8!), and they have IS... Note that they are only going to be available in Sigma Nikon and Canon mounts... --- Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are photos of newly announced Sigma lenses: http://www.photim.com/Infos/UneInfo.asp?N=680 and short info on new flashes - maybe they will be P-TTL compatible? Regards Sylwek __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com
Re: Photos of new Sigmas
Fantasctic (120-300 f2.8!), and they have IS... Note that they are only going to be available in Sigma Nikon and Canon mounts... --- Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are photos of newly announced Sigma lenses: http://www.photim.com/Infos/UneInfo.asp?N=680 and short info on new flashes - maybe they will be P-TTL compatible? Regards Sylwek __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com
RE: Photos of new Sigmas
They need to wait for the Pentax to be released before they can backwards engineer it. Do I read this right that this means Sigma now have IS for their own bodies too? It must have been some work to backwards engineer both Nikon and Canon systems... -Original Message- From: MPozzi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 September 2002 16:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Photos of new Sigmas Fantasctic (120-300 f2.8!), and they have IS... Note that they are only going to be available in Sigma Nikon and Canon mounts... --- Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are photos of newly announced Sigma lenses: http://www.photim.com/Infos/UneInfo.asp?N=680 and short info on new flashes - maybe they will be P-TTL compatible? Regards Sylwek __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com
Re: err.... umm....
It's generally a rugged beast. It should be able to withstand a few rain drops. Just don't dunk it, or equivalent. Just remember this advice is free so don't complain if it's bad. (I have just admitted to smashing up a couple of cameras). At 05:17 PM 9/19/2002 +0530, you wrote: rather a basic (bordering stupid) query... how do I 'care' for my K1000? I guess it would not tolerate rain, etc. I have not taken it out in bad weather, but I wish to know how safe it is etc. also would like some advise regarding the upcoming pug theme 'juxtaposition' for december: anything in particular? or anything at all? thanks.
Re: Photos of new Sigmas
Rob Brigham wrote: They need to wait for the Pentax to be released before they can backwards engineer it. Do I read this right that this means Sigma now have IS for their own bodies too? It must have been some work to backwards engineer both Nikon and Canon systems... I must admit that Sigma is the only manufacturer that has every lens in program in KAF mount. Let's hope they will produce HSM and OS versions for Pentax not too long after Pentax will introduce similar solutions on Photokina... anyway I would like them to do so :-) Regards Sylwek
Re: Re: Re: Aaron's shop
Wee.My socks match g I'm planning to go to a friends cabin in Madawaska for Thanksgiving(Canadian one)an do some fall colours with the 6x6 and 35mm. Hopefully ther sun will be out this year. Dave Begin Original Message From: Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did the tell you that you have to wear a uniform? Those are the Richmond Hill High School rules VBG I hope I can make it out to Aaron's shop for some film supplies for my 2 weeks Muskoka outing. Jeff End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: Aaron's shop
What developer have you been using?
At 10:13 AM 9/19/2002 -0400, Brendan wrote:
don't drink the developer :-) despite the fact it
tastes good
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I snagged a FREE (yep.. free) 35mm Enlarger a few
weeks back from a guy who
just wanted to get rid of it. Granted it's not
name brand (it's only a
Patterson) and the lens is no Rodenstock but hey..
it's FREE.
I can develop my own film already (thanks to all of
you folk) so maybe this
weekend I'll try my hand at printing...
all I really need is chems.. I've got the trays too
!!
Plus I figure this will save me money! (i.e. hard
for me to spend oodles of
cash when I'm in a dark tiny bathroom inhaling the
fumes of the photo
chemicals.. hmmm... remind me to tell you all
about the dream I had
where I pictured myself in a boat on a river with
tangerine streams and
marmalade skies..)
Smirkingly,
Dave
Original Message:
-
From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:59:55 -0400 (EDT)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Aaron's shop
BW course where? where do I sign up lol.
Aaron set me up with a fulll darkroom 8 months ago
and
now I'm over 400 prints made and 50 rolls of film
developed myself, the savings are well worth it.
--- David Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Frank.Nice place,eh.I bought my chemicals from
him too.:)BTW my BW course starts next Wednesday
and the
instructor has asked us to bring in 1 roll to
start
on
right a way.I'm pumped.
Dave
Begin Original Message
From: frank theriault
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:37:18 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Aaron's shop
Dave Chang-Sang and I made the trek from Toronto
out
to Aaron's shop
in
Oakville tonight. It was my first time out there.
Loads of fun!! I bought a 77mm red filter for my
Vivitar S1 24-48
for a
pretty decent price, and Dave bought a bunch of
chemicals and stuff.
After talking with Dave and Aaron, I think I'll
definitely take the
plunge and invest the few dollars necessary to
start
to develop my own
bw negs. Seems like it'll be cheap, easy and
fun.
Aaron also had
(on
consignment) a Besseler enlarger and a Rodenstock
enlarging lens, for
what seemed a good price. Too bad I live in a
little bachelor
apartment, with no place to put an enlarger, let
alone use it. Even
so,
it's still very tempting...
Also saw some beautiful prints of Prague that
Aaron
took with the 6x7
on
his honeymoon. Aaron has a terrific eye, and that
camera really
rocks,
too!
All in all, a good time. I'll have to make the
trip
out there again
soon (to pick up my chemicals).
regards,
frank
--
The optimist thinks this is the best of all
possible worlds. The
pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert
Oppenheimer
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RE: Dry firing (was sillycon film)
Some of the older models don't, (no Pentax cameras that I am aware of), the manufactures supplied a cardboard insert that put a false leader with a small gap where the sprocket would sit to fool the camera into thinking it was loaded. At 04:20 PM 9/19/2002 +0100, you wrote: NO NO NO. Your camera fires even if there is no film in it. This avoids the great problems of trying to convince it the film has wound successfully. Have you never tested a camera in a shop without film in? The shutter still fires. -Original Message- From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 September 2002 16:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Dry firing (was sillycon film) Hi Rob, The only way I can see that they can convince a film camera that it can fire is to convince it that there _is_ film there. With all the Pentax models I've seen, that means using a mechanical method to fool it into thinking that. With others that use LEDs, the solution is much simpler. m
Re: Aaron's shop
Agfa multicontrast stuff, smells like antifreeze, sweet aroma, not like the ilford fixer or stop bath. Microphen and perceptol both smell nasty to. oh the berger copper tonning solution has that anti freeze smell to. --- Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What developer have you been using? At 10:13 AM 9/19/2002 -0400, Brendan wrote: don't drink the developer :-) despite the fact it tastes good --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I snagged a FREE (yep.. free) 35mm Enlarger a few weeks back from a guy who just wanted to get rid of it. Granted it's not name brand (it's only a Patterson) and the lens is no Rodenstock but hey.. it's FREE. I can develop my own film already (thanks to all of you folk) so maybe this weekend I'll try my hand at printing... all I really need is chems.. I've got the trays too !! Plus I figure this will save me money! (i.e. hard for me to spend oodles of cash when I'm in a dark tiny bathroom inhaling the fumes of the photo chemicals.. hmmm... remind me to tell you all about the dream I had where I pictured myself in a boat on a river with tangerine streams and marmalade skies..) Smirkingly, Dave Original Message: - From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:59:55 -0400 (EDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Aaron's shop BW course where? where do I sign up lol. Aaron set me up with a fulll darkroom 8 months ago and now I'm over 400 prints made and 50 rolls of film developed myself, the savings are well worth it. --- David Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Frank.Nice place,eh.I bought my chemicals from him too.:)BTW my BW course starts next Wednesday and the instructor has asked us to bring in 1 roll to start on right a way.I'm pumped. Dave Begin Original Message From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:37:18 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Aaron's shop Dave Chang-Sang and I made the trek from Toronto out to Aaron's shop in Oakville tonight. It was my first time out there. Loads of fun!! I bought a 77mm red filter for my Vivitar S1 24-48 for a pretty decent price, and Dave bought a bunch of chemicals and stuff. After talking with Dave and Aaron, I think I'll definitely take the plunge and invest the few dollars necessary to start to develop my own bw negs. Seems like it'll be cheap, easy and fun. Aaron also had (on consignment) a Besseler enlarger and a Rodenstock enlarging lens, for what seemed a good price. Too bad I live in a little bachelor apartment, with no place to put an enlarger, let alone use it. Even so, it's still very tempting... Also saw some beautiful prints of Prague that Aaron took with the 6x7 on his honeymoon. Aaron has a terrific eye, and that camera really rocks, too! All in all, a good time. I'll have to make the trip out there again soon (to pick up my chemicals). regards, frank -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: Pentax Super Takumar 1:2.8/105 (Was: Pentax Gear)
I think you'll like it. Dave Begin Original Message From: James Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:36:23 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pentax Super Takumar 1:2.8/105 (Was: Pentax Gear) I have bought the Super Takumar 1:2.8/105 for $85CDN ($10 taxes). Got to try out both the Super Takumar and SMC Tak at the weekend. James End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
RE: Silicon Film is still alive... (??????)
Perhaps I should have cut out everything except the line I was replying to. Yes I know that modern cameras, (since at least 1940 something advance the film and cock the shutter at the same time). Some allow you to cock the shutter without advancing the film to facilitate multiple exposures but that's another story. At 04:42 PM 9/19/2002 +0100, you wrote: The shutter is cocked either independantly or by movement of the take up spools. It has nothing to do with film advancement unless really old cameras do it this way (I would be surprised). My Zenit E and P30T both recock the shutter even if there is no film in them. -Original Message- From: Peter Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 September 2002 16:36 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Silicon Film is still alive... (??) Don't think of it as advancing the film. Think of it as cocking the shutter. snip What I find even more interesting (in a sad way) is that older cameras will still require the user to manually wind on after taking a digital picture!!! I find this rather amusing and quite cool! -Original Message- From: Jostein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 September 2002 08:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Silicon Film is still alive... (??) Curiosity still not satisfied. This is what I've found so far: Any film canister will return an error when loaded if the camera (Z-1) doesn't pick up the lip of the film. I still don't know the exact way the camera recognise a film canister for what it is, but the DX coding as a single factor can be ruled out. A Kodak HIE without DX coding produce the same response as do a DX coded film. I also got the same response if I covered the entire canister with tape or paper. However, the check for presence of film doesn't start until the back lid is shut. When shut, the back lid puts a bit of pressure on the canister to keep it in place. If that's significant, the DX code contact points may still have a part to play. They are the only movable parts in the film compartment. My current theory is that as they are pushed back by the film canister, they short a presence cirquit. The Z-1 has other contacts that could be used to confirm that the back is in fact closed. Ok, this is guesswork, but I think it's a qualified guess. If i'm right, it means that an eFilm would need grooves to avoid depressing the DX connectors to work with Z-1. It could be that it's still possible to read the DX code, though. Jostein -- Original Message -- From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:31:25 +0200 Not sure about the camera thinking it's empty. With the Z-1, you have to pull the film lip well to the right of the shutter window before the camera tries to wind it on. OTOH, I have a suspicion that this might also have something to do with the ISO recognition system... Now you got me curious. Got to check out a few things with the Z-1 when I get home from work. Jostein -- Original Message -- From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:19:06 +0100 Actually, you are right although I do still wonder. The 'dry- firing' I should have thought of is a good point, but will a camera 'dry- fire' with a film canister inside the camera? Surely it would try to load a film and when unable to do so, signal an error? This could be the key - how does the efilm make the camera think it is empty? Also, it would then only work with cameras that had manual ISO setting? How many entry models does this count out (not that I am worried). Frame counting is not really an issue when you can zap old frames and they are all different sizes - only memory usage left. . .
Re: Photos of new Sigmas
antasctic (120-300 f2.8!), and they have IS... Note that they are only going to be available in Sigma Nikon and Canon mounts... Yes, we are still working on that AF1.7x adapter with a nikon lens mount, don't you know. Now where did I put it.. Kind regards Peter
Re: err...ummm...
mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very funny, Mark!! I like your sense of humor. Kathy also would like some advise regarding the upcoming pug theme 'juxtaposition' for december: Personally, I'm beside myself wondering what to do... -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photorgaphy and writing
RE: Photos of new Sigmas
If they think that they can sell enough, then it is worth it. For Pentax (I haven't bought anything new in 20 years!) why bother. Right now IS and HSM are in the realm of rumor for Pentax: a patent is not a product announcement. Minolta announced 3 lenses quite some time ago with their version of HSM, and they aren't out yet. When/if they are actually put them on sale then Sigma will probably offer these features in Minolta mount. The fact that Minolta hasn't started selling them yet should tell you something about Minolta's priorities. From: Rob Brigham They need to wait for the Pentax to be released before they can backwards engineer it. Do I read this right that this means Sigma now have IS for their own bodies too? It must have been some work to backwards engineer both Nikon and Canon systems...
Re: Pentax Binoculars?
Mike Ignatiev wrote: Have anyone had any experience with those? Specifically, I am interested in PCF V 20x60, which seem to be available for circa $139 from Cameraland. Also, anyone has dealt with this merchant? Best, Mishka This set is called top of the [full sized binocular] line by Pentax. See: http://www.pentax.com/products/binoculars/bino_overview.cfm?productid=65787 Pentax list their MSRP as $390. How can Cameraland sell these for 35% of tieir original price? keith whaley
Re: more Photkina information
Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) wrote: It will not have a K mount. If you want a K mound DSLR, find a good machinist. You folks just don't get it. Well then, suppose you TELL us. keith whaley From: Rob Brigham ... is designed for professional digital still camera applications Don't know whose body Kodak is going to install it in? Pseee Mr Pentax??!?!?!?
RE: Dry firing (was: Silicon film, etc)
Now that's an interesting question. I'm not able to do any direct research since I don't own any other ZX models. At 05:33 PM 9/19/2002 +0100, you wrote: -Original Message- From: Peter Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] At 04:37 PM 9/19/2002 +0100, you wrote: This is not my experience at all. Any 'electronic' camera I have ever used flashes an 'E' and locks up if the film wont load. (MZ-30, MZ-S, mjuii, Ixus etc) However I can deliberately mis-load the example of the ZX=M I own and it will fire and advance even though there is no film movement. Since this camera is based on ZX series I would bet that all other ZX/MZ cameras with the possible exception of the MZ-S will work the same way. I wonder... I am pretty sure my MZ-30 will not work if it misloads. Looking at the cameras, the MZ-M and MZ3/5 look like one family while the MZ-30, MZ-7 and MZ-6 look like another. The former models look to only have a frame counter LCD, whereas the latter show much more and an 'E' flashes for a misload. I wonder if one family or MZ/ZXs handles this differently to the other?
RE: Dry firing (was: Silicon film, etc)
I will test properly with my MZ-30 tonight. Although I am sure I have had a misfeed in the past, I cannot state categorically this is the case without verification. -Original Message- From: Peter Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 September 2002 17:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Dry firing (was: Silicon film, etc) Now that's an interesting question. I'm not able to do any direct research since I don't own any other ZX models. At 05:33 PM 9/19/2002 +0100, you wrote: -Original Message- From: Peter Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] At 04:37 PM 9/19/2002 +0100, you wrote: This is not my experience at all. Any 'electronic' camera I have ever used flashes an 'E' and locks up if the film wont load. (MZ-30, MZ-S, mjuii, Ixus etc) However I can deliberately mis-load the example of the ZX=M I own and it will fire and advance even though there is no film movement. Since this camera is based on ZX series I would bet that all other ZX/MZ cameras with the possible exception of the MZ-S will work the same way. I wonder... I am pretty sure my MZ-30 will not work if it misloads. Looking at the cameras, the MZ-M and MZ3/5 look like one family while the MZ-30, MZ-7 and MZ-6 look like another. The former models look to only have a frame counter LCD, whereas the latter show much more and an 'E' flashes for a misload. I wonder if one family or MZ/ZXs handles this differently to the other?
RE: Dry firing (was sillycon film)
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NO NO NO. Your camera fires even if there is no film in it. This avoids the great problems of trying to convince it the film has wound successfully. Have you never tested a camera in a shop without film in? The shutter still fires. at what speed? fixed or non-fixed? Herb
Results of Pentax 28-35mm wide angle k-mount lens poll
Hello, dear PDMLers, here are the results of the Pentax 28-35mm wide angle k-mount lens poll. Everybody's first choice got 3 points. 2nd and 3rd choices got 2 and 1 points, respectively. Thus were obtained the winners, and the winners are. 1st place (50 points): SMC Pentax-FA 1:1.8 31mm Limited 2nd place (24 points): SMC Pentax-FA 1:2 35mm AL 3rd place (22 points): SMC Pentax 1:2.8/30 4th place (12 points): SMC Pentax 1:2/35 5th place (7 points.): SMC Pentax 1:3.5/35 6th place (6 points.): SMC Pentax-A 1:2 28mm 6th place (6 points): SMC Pentax 1:3.5/28 8th place (5 points): SMC Pentax 1:2/28 9th place (4 points): SMC Pentax-M 1:2 35mm 9th place (4 points): SMC Pentax-A 1:2 35mm 11th place (3 points): SMC Pentax Shift 1:3.5/28 11th place (3 points): SMC Pentax-M 1:3.5 28mm 13th place (2 points): SMC Pentax-FA 1:2.8 28mm AL 15th place (1 point): SMC Pentax-A 1:2.8 28mm 15th place (1 point): SMC Pentax-M 1:2.8 35mm 26 PDML members have voted, however, not all picked 3 lenses. A big thank you to Andre, Bob Rapp, Bruce Dayton, Cesar Matamoros II, Chris Brogden, Collin Brendemuehl, Dan Scott, David A. Mann, Fred, Heiko Hamann, Jose R. Rodriguez, Jostein, Matjaz Osojnik, Mishka, Paul Stenquist, Vic, Rob Studdart, William Johnson, Thomas Van Veen, Peter, Wendy, Paul Stregevsky, Boz, Knut Kampe, and Bernd Scheffler I invite all members of the PDML to contribute to the Pentax Super Wide Angle K-Mount Lens Poll, that I will start later tonight. BTW: Boz would like to include the results of these polls in the KMP. Arnold
RE: Dry firing (was sillycon film)
At the indicated speed on the camera. You can use this on many older cameras to see the shutter curtains functioning. -Original Message- From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 September 2002 17:54 To: INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Dry firing (was sillycon film) Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NO NO NO. Your camera fires even if there is no film in it. This avoids the great problems of trying to convince it the film has wound successfully. Have you never tested a camera in a shop without film in? The shutter still fires. at what speed? fixed or non-fixed? Herb
testing
testing 1...2...3, can you hear me
RE: testing
no -Original Message- From: Feroze Kistan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 September 2002 15:31 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: testing testing 1...2...3, can you hear me
RE: testing
I think I heard a 4, but I must have been mistaken ... no -Original Message- From: Feroze Kistan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 September 2002 15:31 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: testing testing 1...2...3, can you hear me
Re: Pentax Binoculars?
I have had no experience, but I have heard many good things about their binoculars. I did try out their new digital binoculars, and they certainly felt good in hands and seemed really sharp. The digital pictures they take, however, ain't so good :) - Original Message - From: Mike Ignatiev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:43 AM Subject: Pentax Binoculars? Have anyone had any experience with those? Specifically, I am interested in PCF V 20x60, which seem to be available for circa $139 from Cameraland. Also, anyone has dealt with this merchant? Best, Mishka
M42 or K-mount (or both) - OT
Help! I'm in a bit of a quagmire. Well, not really. I just have some spare time today so I decided to ask the group this question: Have you ever brought two different camera systems on vacation? Specifically I am referring to a Pentax K-mount system with 2 bodies, 4 lenses plus an M42 to K-mount adapter plus a Pentax screwmount body with two lenses. The purpose of bringing along the screwmount stuff is solely for BW photos plus the chance to use the lenses (35mm/f3.5 135mm/f3.5) on the K-mount body for slides and print photos. I find that the screwmount lenses, even though not exactly fast, provide me quite excellent picture quality. The alternative would be to bring just k-mount stuff and two bodies and just alternate color print film with BW film and have one body devoted entirely to slide film. I am contemplating doing this when I go on vacation. I just want everyones opinion on the pros and cons of doing so. Not really mandatory to answer. Even off-list would suffice. Thanks and have a nice day. Francis M. Alviar Irvine, CA __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com
Re: M42 or K-mount (or both) - OT
- Original Message - From: Francis Alviar Subject: M42 or K-mount (or both) - OT Have you ever brought two different camera systems on vacation? Yes, 35mm and 4x5. Or more recently, 35mm and 6x7. I might have taken all 3 on a trip once. William Robb This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: testing
No, but I can read you just fine. At 04:30 PM 9/19/2002 +0200, you wrote: testing 1...2...3, can you hear me
SMC Pentax Super Wide K-Mount Lens Poll
Hello again, now here comes my SMC Pentax Super Wide K-Mount Lens Poll: Please imagine that you were having no super wide-angle lens for your K-mount camera. Also imagine that you have more than enough money and a good opportunity to buy a k-mount SMC Pentax super wide-angle lens. What lens would you like to get most (1st choice)? What lens would you pick as your 2nd choice, if your first choice was not available? What lens would you pick as your 3rd choice (if your 1st and 2nd choice were not available)? Choose among the following lenses: K15/f3.5 A15/f3.5 A16/f2.8 Fish-Eye K17/f4 Fish-Eye K18/f3.5 A20/f2.8 FA20/f2.8 K20/f4 M20/f4 FA*24/f2 IFAL K24/f2.8 A24/f2.8 K24/f3.5 Rules: 1.) Pick your 1st, 2nd and 3rd choice. You may choose less than 3 but not more than 3 choices. 2.) Please send your vote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Exception: Send your vote to the PDML if and ONLY if you have commented your choices, AND you really want all members of the PDML to know your comments. 3.) I will count all votes that are sent before Sunday (September 22th, Election of the German parliament is on the same day), 21:00 hours. Have fun with this poll, and thanks in advance for contributing. Arnold
Re[2]: Pentax Binoculars?
Considering the fact that Adorama sells the next, waterproof version, for something like $180 -- I am not terribly surprised seeing Cameraland prices. But as far as msrp goes -- I have no idea, but wow!. Best, Mishka -Original Message- From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax Binoculars? This set is called top of the [full sized binocular] line by Pentax. See: http://www.pentax.com/products/binoculars/bino_overview.cfm?productid=65787 Pentax list their MSRP as $390. How can Cameraland sell these for 35% of tieir original price? keith whaley
Running with bulls (semi-OT, but with pictures)
I posted another gallery to my site. This time they are color pictures, taken with a couple of disposable cameras just before and just after I run with the bulls in Pamplona this year. No pictures of the running itself because, well, I was running. I had a couple of Pentax cameras in the car while this was happenning, so that makes it kind of in topic for about four blocks or so. Again, I tried to edit things coherently so they work as a group, and ended up with 20 frames out of 65 or so. I have very mixed feelings about these images, but still wanted to go through the excercise of editing them. Like the previous petanca gallery, it is subject to very probable changes. http://www.jbuhler.com/html/encierro.html Comments welcome, j -- -- Juan J. Buhler | Lead FX Animator PDI | Photos at http://www.jbuhler.com --
Re: more Photkina information
On Thursday 19 September 2002 15:28, Rob Brigham wrote: Don't know whose body Kodak is going to install it in? Pamela Anderson? -- Frits J. Wüthrich (Sent with Kmail)
Re: more Photkina information
On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Frits J. [iso-8859-1] Wüthrich wrote: On Thursday 19 September 2002 15:28, Rob Brigham wrote: Don't know whose body Kodak is going to install it in? Pamela Anderson? She traded in her sillicon implants for one with a smaller megapixel rating. :) -- http://www.infotainment.org The destructive character is cheerful. - Walter Benjamin
Re: more Photkina information
I think I'd actually like to see that. Then again all things considered probably not. At 07:44 PM 9/19/2002 +0100, you wrote: On Thursday 19 September 2002 15:28, Rob Brigham wrote: Don't know whose body Kodak is going to install it in? Pamela Anderson? -- Frits J. Wüthrich (Sent with Kmail)
Re[2]: more Photkina information
Hi, Thursday, September 19, 2002, 1:22:23 PM, you wrote: Hi, Keith wrote: ?? 'Chamboulé' is not in my Larousse Français-Anglais Dictionnaire! g I don't know what it means either but it does _sound_ like a good verb for describing the digital SLR market mike (whacking great smirk) It is. It means 'in a mess' (to put it politely). --- Bob
Re: SMC Pentax Super Wide K-Mount Lens Poll
Arnold, Why did you leave out the fisheye zoom? Truly the most unique lens in the ultra wides from any manufacturer. Bruce Thursday, September 19, 2002, 11:30:25 AM, you wrote: AS Hello again, now here comes my SMC Pentax Super Wide K-Mount Lens Poll: AS Please imagine that you were having no super wide-angle lens for your AS K-mount camera. Also imagine that you have more than enough money and a AS good opportunity to buy a k-mount SMC Pentax super wide-angle lens. What AS lens would you like to get most (1st choice)? What lens would you pick AS as your 2nd choice, if your first choice was not available? What lens AS would you pick as your 3rd choice (if your 1st and 2nd choice were not AS available)? Choose among the following lenses: AS K15/f3.5 AS A15/f3.5 AS A16/f2.8 Fish-Eye AS K17/f4 Fish-Eye AS K18/f3.5 AS A20/f2.8 AS FA20/f2.8 AS K20/f4 AS M20/f4 AS FA*24/f2 IFAL AS K24/f2.8 AS A24/f2.8 AS K24/f3.5 AS Rules: AS 1.) Pick your 1st, 2nd and 3rd choice. You may choose less than 3 but AS not more than 3 choices. AS 2.) Please send your vote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Exception: Send your AS vote to the PDML if and ONLY if you have commented your choices, AND you AS really want all members of the PDML to know your comments. AS 3.) I will count all votes that are sent before Sunday (September 22th, AS Election of the German parliament is on the same day), 21:00 hours. AS Have fun with this poll, and thanks in advance for contributing. AS Arnold
Re: more Photkina information
On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Peter Alling wrote: I think I'd actually like to see that. Then again all things considered probably not. This comes back to the procotology camera someone sent out a week or so ago, doesn't it? -- http://www.infotainment.org The destructive character is cheerful. - Walter Benjamin
Re: SMC Pentax Super Wide K-Mount Lens Poll
Arnold, My first choice is for the write in candidate - Fisheye 17-35 zoom. I have one of these and have found it to be more versatile and usable than just a straight fisheye. Many scenes call for wider than a 15-20 rectilinear, but not a full 180 degree fisheye. The only lens that can handle this is the fisheye zoom. It lets you zoom between 180 and 90 degrees. The closer to 90 degrees, the less fisheye effect you see. This is the only zoom I carry around in my pack of primes. Second choice is more difficult because I think there is an ultra wide (fisheye - 20mm rectilinear) category and then a pretty wide (20-28mm) category. In keeping with ultra wide, next would be the A15/3.5. Third would be the FA20/2.8. Bruce Thursday, September 19, 2002, 11:30:25 AM, you wrote: AS Hello again, now here comes my SMC Pentax Super Wide K-Mount Lens Poll: AS Please imagine that you were having no super wide-angle lens for your AS K-mount camera. Also imagine that you have more than enough money and a AS good opportunity to buy a k-mount SMC Pentax super wide-angle lens. What AS lens would you like to get most (1st choice)? What lens would you pick AS as your 2nd choice, if your first choice was not available? What lens AS would you pick as your 3rd choice (if your 1st and 2nd choice were not AS available)? Choose among the following lenses: AS K15/f3.5 AS A15/f3.5 AS A16/f2.8 Fish-Eye AS K17/f4 Fish-Eye AS K18/f3.5 AS A20/f2.8 AS FA20/f2.8 AS K20/f4 AS M20/f4 AS FA*24/f2 IFAL AS K24/f2.8 AS A24/f2.8 AS K24/f3.5 AS Rules: AS 1.) Pick your 1st, 2nd and 3rd choice. You may choose less than 3 but AS not more than 3 choices. AS 2.) Please send your vote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Exception: Send your AS vote to the PDML if and ONLY if you have commented your choices, AND you AS really want all members of the PDML to know your comments. AS 3.) I will count all votes that are sent before Sunday (September 22th, AS Election of the German parliament is on the same day), 21:00 hours. AS Have fun with this poll, and thanks in advance for contributing. AS Arnold
Re: Running with bulls (semi-OT, but with pictures)
- Original Message - From: Juan J. Buhler Subject: Running with bulls (semi-OT, but with pictures) Again, I tried to edit things coherently so they work as a group, and ended up with 20 frames out of 65 or so. I have very mixed feelings about these images, but still wanted to go through the excercise of editing them. Like the previous petanca gallery, it is subject to very probable changes. http://www.jbuhler.com/html/encierro.html I am wondering what is causing your misgivings about the series of pictures? For myself, they leave me pretty flat, but that is mostly because of the inhumane treatment of the animals. The Pamplona bull run is barbarism at its worst. William Robb
RE: more Photkina information
Care to make a little wager? I bet Pentax doesn't show any DSLR that goes on sale this year. From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whether we get a D-SLR soon or not, only time will tell. We can still hope. Without hope the world would be a poorer place. You try to destroy our hope with no basis of fact from which to speak.
Re: SMC Pentax Super Wide K-Mount Lens Poll
Perhaps there comes a zoom-lens-poll later? Regards Bernd --original message-- Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:34:09 -0700 From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Arnold Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SMC Pentax Super Wide K-Mount Lens Poll Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Arnold, My first choice is for the write in candidate - Fisheye 17-35 zoom. I have one of these and have found it to be more versatile and usable than just a straight fisheye. Many scenes call for wider than a 15-20 rectilinear, but not a full 180 degree fisheye. The only lens that can handle this is the fisheye zoom. It lets you zoom between 180 and 90 degrees. The closer to 90 degrees, the less fisheye effect you see. This is the only zoom I carry around in my pack of primes. snip
Re: Running with bulls (semi-OT, but with pictures)
Actually, I think the bull run is more human than the bull fights themselves. At least in the run, the bulls seem to gore or trample more humans than in the corrida. Dan William Robb wrote: I am wondering what is causing your misgivings about the series of pictures? For myself, they leave me pretty flat, but that is mostly because of the inhumane treatment of the animals. The Pamplona bull run is barbarism at its worst. William Robb -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://geocities.com/dmatyola/ Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399
Re: Tokina [or VS1] Macro Extender w/ Other Lenses
This is no answer to the concrete question but I think it's worth to be mentioned: Some months ago I got a +++ Kenko 2x KAX Macro Teleplus MC7 +++ on ebay and thought it would be a nice thing to play with. The price was raesonable and no real risk. And I found: the results are very fine! It makes a lens go up to 1:1. Actually for me the only reason remaining to buy a real macro lens would be the greater speed while adjusting. The picture http://home.t-online.de/home/tumbschef/Imkerei/Biene_Macro.jpg was made using a normal lens and the converter. Later on I haven't seen any converters like this; most time they are without macro function. Regards Bernd (second try of this message) ---original message From: Fred Subject: Tokina [or VS1] Macro Extender w/ Other Lenses Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:06:23 -0700 Vic said: I said I would report back on some tests I was doing with the Pentax 200mm F2.5 and the Tokina ATX macro convertor ( the one that comes with the 90F2.5 macro.) The tests are in and the results are excellent. Not extensive tests by any stretch of the imagination but enough to convince me that I don't need to invest in an expensive 200 mm macro. All I have to do is use what I already have to its fullest extent. The photographs - tight shots of an iris - were incredibly sharp. The speed of the lens allowed me to soften the background -Great bokeh. I will continue to experiment with various lenses using the macro adapter and report back when I have results. Have you any more results to report, Vic? And, has anyone else tried this concept out (either with the Tokina AT-X 90/2.5's 1:1 Macro Extender, or with the VS1 90/2.5 Macro's 1:1 Macro Adapter)? Thanks. Fred
Re: more Photkina information
If I were a betting man, I'd wager they'll show a DSLR that goes on sale next year. Bill - Original Message - From: Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 4:19 PM Subject: RE: more Photkina information Care to make a little wager? I bet Pentax doesn't show any DSLR that goes on sale this year. From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whether we get a D-SLR soon or not, only time will tell. We can still hope. Without hope the world would be a poorer place. You try to destroy our hope with no basis of fact from which to speak.
Re: M42 or K-mount (or both) - OT
On my recent vacation to the Magdellan Islands in the Gulf of St. Lawrence, I brought my MX, along with a k-mount short zoom, a long zoom and a wide angle prime. I also brought my Leica CL. I used the k-mount stuff for colour, and the CL for bw. I brought the CL in addition to the MX as it's an inconspicuous little people shooter - even moreso than the MX. - and I knew I'd be going to lots of parties, barbeques and the like... regards, frank Francis Alviar wrote: Have you ever brought two different camera systems on vacation? -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: Running with bulls (semi-OT, but with pictures)
- Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola Subject: Re: Running with bulls (semi-OT, but with pictures) Actually, I think the bull run is more human than the bull fights themselves. At least in the run, the bulls seem to gore or trample more humans than in the corrida. Don't get me started about bull fighting. William Robb
Re: M42 or K-mount (or both) - OT
Francis Alviar wrote: Have you ever brought two different camera systems on vacation? I do it all the time: 35mm and 645. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photography and writing
SMC Pentax Super Wide K-Mount Lens Poll
Arnold. 1. 15mm F3.5 A - a right corker. 2. 20mm F4 M - pocket marvel 3. 20mm F2.8 A - little bit bigger, little bit sharper. And I have had 'em all. Peter
Re: SMC Pentax Super Wide K-Mount Lens Poll
Arnold, You don't have a category of other but I only have one super wide angle, a Vivitar 19mm f/3.8-22.0. Probably nearly equivalent to the SMC A 20mm f/2.8. PK-A/R mount 9 elements, 8 groups, multi-coated 97 deg. accept. angle Min. focus 0.2 meters [that's 8, folks!] Might be a great macro, altho' I never used it as such... Wt. 6.5 oz. Length - 1.44 Jury's still out. I took it on a trip to England a few years ago, hooked to my MG [Pentax MG, that is!] and I think the rather average performance was all my fault. I was not IMPRESSED with the prints, but merely pleased. I've never used, nor have got used to using a very wide angle lens, so that's a lot of the problem. I have to experiment more. A few rolls of film will not do it... I'll put a few more thru it when I go to Hawaii next month... ;^) Nevertheless, I think the quality is high, and it's quite contrasty. Worth a look, certainly. I've never seen a single report on it, but my local, stuffed-to-the-gills old camera store owner quite recommended it. I was looking for a Pentax K-mount 24mm f/2.8 at the time. He didn't have any, but said to try this one. He'd buy it back if I didn't like it. What a deal! I'd appreciate anyone else's word on their experience with one. keith whaley = snipped = Thursday, September 19, 2002, 11:30:25 AM, you wrote: AS Hello again, now here comes my SMC Pentax Super Wide K-Mount Lens Poll: AS Please imagine that you were having no super wide-angle lens for your AS K-mount camera. Also imagine that you have more than enough money and a AS good opportunity to buy a k-mount SMC Pentax super wide-angle lens. What AS lens would you like to get most (1st choice)? What lens would you pick AS as your 2nd choice, if your first choice was not available? What lens AS would you pick as your 3rd choice (if your 1st and 2nd choice were not AS available)? Choose among the following lenses: AS K15/f3.5 AS A15/f3.5 AS A16/f2.8 Fish-Eye AS K17/f4 Fish-Eye AS K18/f3.5 AS A20/f2.8 AS FA20/f2.8 AS K20/f4 AS M20/f4 AS FA*24/f2 IFAL AS K24/f2.8 AS A24/f2.8 AS K24/f3.5 AS Rules: AS 1.) Pick your 1st, 2nd and 3rd choice. You may choose less than 3 but AS not more than 3 choices. AS 2.) Please send your vote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Exception: Send your AS vote to the PDML if and ONLY if you have commented your choices, AND you AS really want all members of the PDML to know your comments. AS 3.) I will count all votes that are sent before Sunday (September 22th, AS Election of the German parliament is on the same day), 21:00 hours. AS Have fun with this poll, and thanks in advance for contributing. AS Arnold
Re: Running with bulls (semi-OT, but with pictures)
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola Subject: Re: Running with bulls (semi-OT, but with pictures) Actually, I think the bull run is more human than the bull fights themselves. At least in the run, the bulls seem to gore or trample more humans than in the corrida. Don't get me started about bull fighting. William Robb Really! Up to now, I've rather liked your comments here and there. I'd just as soon keep it insipid, rather than get all het-up over a bullfight or two... keith whaley
Re: Running with bulls (semi-OT, but with pictures)
Running with bulls? You've got (a lot) more nerve than me! Pat White
RE: more Photkina information
How about I bet a 2002 Pentax D-SLR and you bet a 2002 Canon D-SLR? Heads I win, tales you lose!! -Original Message- From: Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 September 2002 21:19 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: more Photkina information Care to make a little wager? I bet Pentax doesn't show any DSLR that goes on sale this year. From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whether we get a D-SLR soon or not, only time will tell. We can still hope. Without hope the world would be a poorer place. You try to destroy our hope with no basis of fact from which to speak.
Re: For Sale Thursday - topical wide angle goodies
I've recently got back the first few rolls taken with my Vivitar S1 3.8 24-48 zoom (I assume yours is a Series 1, Peter?), and I must say, I'm blown away by it. At 24mm, no distortion whatsoever. Lines are straight, right out to the edges. And it's sharp right out to the edges as well. This is a lovely lens, apparently much better than the later variable aperture one. Here's a photo that I took with it, just a throw away, really. But, I think it shows how linear and sharp this lens is. Check out those straight lines, especially the platform, and the lights on the upper right. Straight, straight, straight! http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1020389size=lg And, at 60 pounds, a very good deal, too. I got mine on eBay for around $65US, then paid around $50US for a CLA to cure a sticky aperture, and judging by the price these things usually fetch on eBay, I think I got a good deal, even with the repair. Hard to find on eBay for less than $150US, and often they're BIN'ed at close to $200US, with a reserve. It is big, heavy, and due to the damned 77mm filter ring, I have to get yet another set of filters (but got a red one from Aaron last night for a good price g). None the less, I can wholeheartedly recommend this lens, especially at this price. I hope it finds a good (ei: PDML) home, Peter! regards, frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, excuse me foisting these upon you, but I have decided that 3rd party items, however stunning they might be, basically don't sell. Thus I can exclusively offer the following, all at large reductions: Vivitar 24-48mm F3.8 £60 (Was £95) -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: Running with bulls (semi-OT, but with pictures)
- Original Message - From: Keith Whaley Subject: Re: Running with bulls (semi-OT, but with pictures) Really! Up to now, I've rather liked your comments here and there. I'd just as soon keep it insipid, rather than get all het-up over a bullfight or two... I'm so glad you like my comments. William Robb This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: For Sale Thursday - topical wide angle goodies
SH!! I was thinking of snagging this lens :) I wasn't sure if it was the same one you had Frank.. but knowing that it is.. I'd be keenly interested :) Cheers, Dave -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 4:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: For Sale Thursday - topical wide angle goodies I've recently got back the first few rolls taken with my Vivitar S1 3.8 24-48 zoom (I assume yours is a Series 1, Peter?), and I must say, I'm blown away by it. At 24mm, no distortion whatsoever. Lines are straight, right out to the edges. And it's sharp right out to the edges as well. This is a lovely lens, apparently much better than the later variable aperture one. Here's a photo that I took with it, just a throw away, really. But, I think it shows how linear and sharp this lens is. Check out those straight lines, especially the platform, and the lights on the upper right. Straight, straight, straight! http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1020389size=lg And, at 60 pounds, a very good deal, too. I got mine on eBay for around $65US, then paid around $50US for a CLA to cure a sticky aperture, and judging by the price these things usually fetch on eBay, I think I got a good deal, even with the repair. Hard to find on eBay for less than $150US, and often they're BIN'ed at close to $200US, with a reserve. It is big, heavy, and due to the damned 77mm filter ring, I have to get yet another set of filters (but got a red one from Aaron last night for a good price g). None the less, I can wholeheartedly recommend this lens, especially at this price. I hope it finds a good (ei: PDML) home, Peter! regards, frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, excuse me foisting these upon you, but I have decided that 3rd party items, however stunning they might be, basically don't sell. Thus I can exclusively offer the following, all at large reductions: Vivitar 24-48mm F3.8 £60 (Was £95) -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: err.... umm....
Having several Spotmatics, which are pretty similar to the K1000, except in screwmount, I can tell you that I've had mine out in the rain on occasion, with no problems. Of course, I try to keep things covered, and wipe off as much as possible, but they have gotten rather wet (at least on the outside), and they've survived. Not that I'd dunk them in a lake or anything, but as Brendan said, they're tanks. Just make sure you wipe it dry as best you can once you get home. In terms of PUG, the themes are pretty liberally interpreted. In fact, for me, that's part of the fun of looking through the gallery on themed months: to see how many ways folks can interpret the same theme. I think you'd have to ~completely~ miss the point in order to be rejected (and I don't know that anyone's ever been rejected for not being on theme - anyone know?) regards, frank Arathi-Sridhar wrote: rather a basic (bordering stupid) query... how do I 'care' for my K1000? I guess it would not tolerate rain, etc. I have not taken it out in bad weather, but I wish to know how safe it is etc. also would like some advise regarding the upcoming pug theme 'juxtaposition' for december: anything in particular? or anything at all? thanks. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: err.... umm....
- Original Message - From: frank theriault Subject: Re: err umm In terms of PUG, the themes are pretty liberally interpreted. In fact, for me, that's part of the fun of looking through the gallery on themed months: to see how many ways folks can interpret the same theme. I think you'd have to ~completely~ miss the point in order to be rejected (and I don't know that anyone's ever been rejected for not being on theme - anyone know?) Yes. I rejected a few for being off theme. William Robb
Re: SMC Pentax Super Wide K-Mount Lens Poll
Keith Whaley wrote: Arnold, You don't have a category of other but I only have one super wide angle, a Vivitar 19mm f/3.8-22.0. Probably nearly equivalent to the SMC A 20mm f/2.8. Oooops! I should have said the K 18 f/3.5! = rest snipped =
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Re: Running with bulls (semi-OT, but with pictures)
Frank, the difference is that, unlike bulls, motorcycles don't have inherently bad attitudes. I'm not afraid to approach even a herd of motorcycles, but a herd of bulls? And while a red flag may excite a bull, a checkered flag would cause my bike to slow down and enter the paddock. vbg in Victoria ps. To see some scary riding, check out http://www.neonsins.com/home/Moto1-320.wmv . Really don't ry this at home! Pat White
RE: M42 or K-mount (or both) - OT
I would never take my P67 on a vacation, way too bulky once you consider taking a few lenses. For medium format on the go, I like my folding RF Zeiss Super Ikonta C ( 6X9 cm ). It's got a sharp Tessar Lens ( when stopped down to f8 or smaller) and its actually smaller than a 35mm SLR when folded. Sure, you only get 1 lens ( 105mm F3.8 ), but it sure is light and small and the quality still blows away 35mm even with the ancient lens. JCO -Original Message- From: wendy beard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 9:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: M42 or K-mount (or both) - OT At 16:05 19-9-2002 -0400, you wrote: From: Francis Alviar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Help! I'm in a bit of a quagmire. Well, not really. I just have some spare time today so I decided to ask the group this question: Have you ever brought two different camera systems on vacation? All the time. Minolta 600si plus two zooms (before I owned a Pentax AF) and MX with 24-50. 67 with 55 and 105 and MZ-S/MX with 24-90, 20 and 43 on the last vacation (and a digital Ixus, but that doesn't count) It's amazing what you can fit into a lowepro mini trekker if you really try Wendy --- Wendy Beard Ottawa, Canada mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] home page http://www.beard-redfern.com
Re: Running with bulls (semi-OT, but with pictures)
Motorbikes dont have a brain of there own, so they do what they you tell them to, except when its wet :) Heres a group question: How fast has your pentax gone? my MZ-S did 270kmh on the back of my last motorbike :) not sure what that is in miles, but its fast. Regards, Paul - Original Message - From: Pat White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:42 AM Subject: Re: Running with bulls (semi-OT, but with pictures) Frank, the difference is that, unlike bulls, motorcycles don't have inherently bad attitudes. I'm not afraid to approach even a herd of motorcycles, but a herd of bulls? And while a red flag may excite a bull, a checkered flag would cause my bike to slow down and enter the paddock. vbg in Victoria ps. To see some scary riding, check out http://www.neonsins.com/home/Moto1-320.wmv . Really don't ry this at home! Pat White
Re: SMC Pentax Super Wide K-Mount Lens Poll
Hi, 1) A16/2.8 Fish-eye and if that was not available, then 2) K17/4 Fish-eye, 3) K18/3.5 William in Utah. 9/19/2002 12:30:25 PM, Arnold Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello again, now here comes my SMC Pentax Super Wide K-Mount Lens Poll: Please imagine that you were having no super wide-angle lens for your K-mount camera. Also imagine that you have more than enough money and a good opportunity to buy a k-mount SMC Pentax super wide-angle lens. What lens would you like to get most (1st choice)? What lens would you pick as your 2nd choice, if your first choice was not available? What lens would you pick as your 3rd choice (if your 1st and 2nd choice were not available)? Choose among the following lenses: K15/f3.5 A15/f3.5 A16/f2.8 Fish-Eye K17/f4 Fish-Eye K18/f3.5 A20/f2.8 FA20/f2.8 K20/f4 M20/f4 FA*24/f2 IFAL K24/f2.8 A24/f2.8 K24/f3.5 Rules: 1.) Pick your 1st, 2nd and 3rd choice. You may choose less than 3 but not more than 3 choices. 2.) Please send your vote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Exception: Send your vote to the PDML if and ONLY if you have commented your choices, AND you really want all members of the PDML to know your comments. 3.) I will count all votes that are sent before Sunday (September 22th, Election of the German parliament is on the same day), 21:00 hours. Have fun with this poll, and thanks in advance for contributing. Arnold
Re: SMC Pentax Super Wide K-Mount Lens Poll
9/19/2002 3:13:48 PM, Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arnold, You don't have a category of other but I only have one super wide angle, a Vivitar 19mm f/3.8-22.0. snip I'd appreciate anyone else's word on their experience with one. Hi Keith, I had one for about 8 yearsI found it reasonably sharp, except the corners, which were a little soft even stopped down. Color and contrast were ok, the real Achille's heel for me on this one was the almost non existent flare control. It would flare even on cloudy days, and back to the sun pictures didn't work unless I wanted my shadow in the picture. Of course, I had one of the early onesperhaps they have improved their multicoating process since 1992. William in Utah.
