Quoting Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
http://2.718281828459045.com
That's for sale.
In ln condition.
Jostein
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Boris - it's not a matter of language difference. It's simply a matter of
you shooting off some esoteric jargon about a subject I know nothing about.
Do you really think I know anything about gas particles, thermodynamics,
and Maxwell membranes. It's just a snap of a bunch of pigeons hanging out
Hi Boris
I'm quite amazed how much response you got for that thread.
I truly wish that the coming august PUG photographs will get the same or
even more attention here.
I wonder why simple terms get more reactions here than the real thing --
the Pentax photo?
greetings
Markus
-Original
Tell that to Leo Tolsoy (born in 1828) and isosceles right-angled triangle ;-).
On 7/25/05, Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
http://2.718281828459045.com
That's for sale.
In ln condition.
Jostein
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Amita Guha wrote:
how are there aperture and shutter priority modes when (presumably) you
can't control aperture or shutter speed?
Yes, you can control the aperture and shutter speed. Apart from aperture
and shutter priority, it also has full metered manual.
--
Quoting Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Tell that to Leo Tolsoy (born in 1828) and isosceles right-angled triangle
;-).
LOL.
Henrik Ibsen was also born in 1828.
To see if there was something slightly closer to on-topic in this, I googled the
words photography 1828, and came up with one
P 45 specifications
39 MP
3S technology (Secure Storage System)
35 frames / min.
50-400 ISO
http://www.phaseone.com/Content/p1digitalbacks/Hotnews/Ultimate%20range.aspx
http://tinyurl.com/8aack
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT) +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nice work Mark! Your work is always outstanding.
My favorites are 2, 6, 9 and 16. In #2 and #6 I like the color of the flower
repeating in the wings. I really like the detail in the housefly, also nice
the way the end of that one leg is so detailed.
Charles
On Jul 25, 2005, at 6:19 AM, Bob W wrote:
Buy a PC g.
I'm using some stuff that's not universally liked by different
browsers.
Let's cut out the middle man:
It worked alright for me, using Safari 2.0. A previous link of yours
I saw didn't work so it may have been fixed for us in a
On 24/7/05, K.Takeshita, discombobulated, unleashed:
I do wish grandma had a hairy ball.
Mark!
Cheers,
Cotty
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On 24/7/05, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed:
The point I'm trying to make is that a snapshot is more about what it is
than the methodology of making the photo.
Hi Shel,
I'm completely the opposite way around !
I maintain that a snapshot is totally about the methodology, and nothing
On 24/7/05, Mishka, discombobulated, unleashed:
emulsion sticks to a wet finger.
The best part is right in the middle of the frame.
Cheers,
Cotty
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Robert Doisneau. I can't say that he's my favorite photographer now,
but his low key, seemingly inobtrusive style is what made me want to
try to make photographs like that at first.
j
On 7/24/05, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I sent an email yesterday about Cartier-Bresson being
Nice stuff. Wish I could afford one. But it's obviously time for Pentax
to cancel their 645 plans. Too little, too late. As I said before, all
the MF studio pros I have met are already shooting digital.
Paul
On Jul 25, 2005, at 3:24 AM, Rob Studdert wrote:
P 45 specifications
• 39 MP
• 3S
Very nice images, great looking house too, thank you for the
housewarming!
Paying dearly for a [used] Pentax lens and then only using part of it
for the rare shot that needs these extreme angles seems a bit silly
to me. So I'm considering the Zenitar instead that can be had brand
new for
William (Quasimodo) Robb wrote:
I dunno, I have a fisheye too.
And a hump.
Tom Reese
Herb Chong wrote:
being too conservative is why (Pentax is ) having the problems they are
having now.
Pentax has to be conservative. They have limited resources and can't
afford to make a mistake. They can't develop 10 products hoping one will
make them a lot of money and recoup the costs
The Philips sensor had the same difficulties in the Pentax camera as well -
and, yes the price would have been too high. Pentax had the capability of
producing the camera but not the chip. And it was never introduced or
marketed.
All the best!
Raimo K
Personal photography homepage at:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:18:03 +0200, Bertil Holmberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for the field-of-view calculator link! This does not explain the
180 degrees claimed for some fish-eyes though. Are these a special case?
Yes. Fish-eyes different from rectilineair lenses. See for instance
Valid question. I have answered it once, but I'll do so again as it
is easy to miss because of the volume of the list.
This kind of terrain has lots of shadows and light areas. Depending
on the lens used, DOF desired and subject, I was switching the ISO
back and forth quite often. Sometimes I
All well and good, but these items don't seem like they're for the average
guy on the street, mostly for studio players. Pentax would do well to come
out with a smaller, lighter, more transportable, easier to carry,
med-format digi, something to simply and economically replace the various
Paul wrote:
I agree. Very interesting and informative. However, I don't think
Pentax has a large studio pro market any more.
I don't think Pentax ever catered to the studio shooters. Pentax MF cameras
have mostly been used by outdoor photographers.
Pål
Raimo wrote:
The Philips sensor had the same difficulties in the Pentax camera as well -
Actually, it didn't..
Pål
Herb wrote:
when you run a business, you stay in business only by doing what
consistently makes money and dropping what doesn't. if those 40% of all
Japanese medium format photographers buy as many 645Ds as Pentax hopes, the
camera will make money and be profitable at something resembling
I just can't stop reading what you write, Ken, many thanks for taking
the time. A few questions.
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005, K.Takeshita wrote:
it, in spite of the challenge, simply because they made a head start. But
watching the demise of Kyocera/Contax, the killing of the project was
probably
On 7/24/05, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
that's a great shot but It aint a snapshot. I shoot
all the time with large format and MOST of the time
you wait for just the right momemt to trip the shutter
after spending much time adjusting camera, focusing and composing
the shot. Just
Sorry about that. It didn't meant to be a 'piracy
vindication' but only the 10% reasoning, which I have
seen that is the same estimation that you make in
another post.
As a side note, I have never considered to copy a
friend's record from time to time (or let him/her this
record) as a stealig
A lot of the NY fashion photogs used Pentax 6x7, perhaps close to half
of them. Some of the PAs I've talked to used to hate working with those
guys, because they were afraid of misloading the 6x7.
Paul
On Jul 25, 2005, at 7:33 AM, Pål Jensen wrote:
Paul wrote:
I agree. Very interesting and
J To see if there was something slightly closer to on-topic in this, I googled
the
J words photography 1828, and came up with one interesting link:
J http://www.niepce.com/pagus/invus3.html
J The Daguerrotype was not yet conceived, so photography was not yet born, as
J such. However, this year
Kodak - Konica - Maco - Ilford
http://www.pauck.de/marco/photo/infrared/comparison_of_films/comparison_of_films.html
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Cotty wrote:
On 24/7/05, Mishka, discombobulated, unleashed:
emulsion sticks to a wet finger.
The best part is right in the middle of the frame.
Errr, 1/3rd off the edge?
Kostas
My monitor is producing a yellow cast. Any ideas what may be causing that
(cat hair in the box, loose wire, major cosmic upheaval). Can monitors be
repaired? Is it worthwhile? Is there something I can check?
Shel
That´s what I heard from Finnish representatives.
And how could same sensor have noise in one camera and not in another?
All the best!
Raimo K
Personal photography homepage at:
http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho
- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
- Original Message -
From: Tom Reese
Subject: Re: K15mm for House Interiors
I dunno, I have a fisheye too.
And a hump.
I'm getting that from lookin down at all the little people.
William Robb
- Original Message -
From: Shel Belinkoff
Subject: RE: OT New 39MP MF backs
All well and good, but these items don't seem like they're for the average
guy on the street, mostly for studio players. Pentax would do well to
come
out with a smaller, lighter, more transportable,
On 25 Jul 2005 at 16:43, Raimo K wrote:
That´s what I heard from Finnish representatives.
And how could same sensor have noise in one camera and not in another?
Poor implementation I guess, most CCDs are a hybrid analogue/digital devices so
don't exhibit fixed performance.
Rob Studdert
On 25/7/05, Kostas Kavoussanakis, discombobulated, unleashed:
emulsion sticks to a wet finger.
The best part is right in the middle of the frame.
Errr, 1/3rd off the edge?
Kostas
No, right in the middle of the pic. Nice big lick on the finger, plant it
good and hard. In fact, better to
The digital era made me a better photographer, yes.
But that's just because I've shot soo many more pics last two years
than ever before.
Yes the great majority of them was, actually, crap.
Still, doing 6000 pics in one year and half, taught me a lot of things
Also, the ability to check them
OK, OK, OK, OKcheezz!
It appears I, too, have tried your patience.
Jack
Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
On 25 Jul 2005 at 12:18, Bertil Holmberg wrote:
Paying dearly for a [used] Pentax lens and then only using part of it
for the rare shot that needs these extreme angles seems a bit silly
to me. So I'm considering the Zenitar instead that can be had brand
new for $105 + SH from Russia.
Could be as simple as a connection problem. Depending on your monitor
it may be repairable but
now you can pick up a 19 Trinatron CRT for about $100.00. Unless the
monitor is something very
special it's probably cheaper to replace it.
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
My monitor is producing a yellow
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/2005ama/midohio/1/
--
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Cotty wrote:
No, right in the middle of the pic. Nice big lick on the finger, plant it
good and hard. In fact, better to lick the film, that way the emulsion
sticks to your tongue and you're guarranteed a result.
Just in case it's needed --;-)
Oi, that
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Just doing a quick memory check here: screw mount lenses, such as
Takumars
and Super Taks, plus third party lenses, will work just fine on the
Pentax
DSLR bodies when stopped down to taking aperture. Correct? Same
thing for
the SMC Taks?
Yes, they work fine when
On 26/7/05, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed:
The Pentax fish-eye lenses are what is generally referred to as full-frame
fisheyes in that their image circle doesn't fit within the frame but is
designed to provide 180 degrees across the diagonal of the frame. A full-
frame
fisheye lens
Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/2005ama/midohio/1/
BTW: I did *not* write the captions!
--
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com
On 25/7/05, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed:
OK, OK, OK, OKcheezz!
It appears I, too, have tried your patience.
Yo Jack,
Any chance you could attribute your posts with quoted text (as above)
because I have no idea who you're writing to or what it's about?
Cheers,
Cotty
On 25/7/05, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/2005ama/midohio/1/
Great pics Mark.
Love this one:
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/2005ama/midohio/1/7.htm
Cheers,
Cotty
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On Jul 25, 2005, at 3:18 AM, Bertil Holmberg wrote:
Paying dearly for a [used] Pentax lens and then only using part of
it for the rare shot that needs these extreme angles seems a bit
silly to me. So I'm considering the Zenitar instead that can be had
brand new for $105 + SH from Russia.
I like them! Apparently you and your Canon worked great ;-)
Dario
- Original Message -
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:34 PM
Subject: Some Mid-Ohio racing shots on line
The support chip set and hardware and software could have a bit to do
with apparent sensor noise.
Raimo K wrote:
That´s what I heard from Finnish representatives.
And how could same sensor have noise in one camera and not in another?
All the best!
Raimo K
Personal photography homepage at:
On Jul 25, 2005, at 7:34 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/2005ama/midohio/1/
Good stuff, Mark!
Now about those captions... ;-)
Godfrey
Yep, I use it as a ~22~24mm equivalent sometimes, (alright Bill where's
that scream). I've always liked it on
film. On digital it's not quite so magic.
Cotty wrote:
On 26/7/05, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed:
The Pentax fish-eye lenses are what is generally referred to as
Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I like them! Apparently you and your Canon worked great ;-)
But of course! Everyone *knows* you can't shoot motorsports with a
Pentax! ;-)
BTW - Two interesting facts about the media photographers at this event.
1: There was only one shooting Pentax
Paying dearly for a [used] Pentax lens and then only using part of it
for the rare shot that needs these extreme angles seems a bit silly
to me. So I'm considering the Zenitar instead that can be had brand
new for $105 + SH from Russia.
I'm sure you've already looked, but if you're truly
Agreed - better to replace than repair. Before you do that, though, if
you have access to another monitor, substitute it to make sure the
monitor is the problem and not the video card.
-P
P. J. Alling wrote:
Could be as simple as a connection problem. Depending on your monitor
it
On Jul 25, 2005, at 6:28 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
My monitor is producing a yellow cast. Any ideas what may be
causing that
(cat hair in the box, loose wire, major cosmic upheaval). Can
monitors be
repaired? Is it worthwhile? Is there something I can check?
They can often be
Yes, they work fine when manually stopped down to taking aperture. Metering
is the same as with M/K-bayonet lenses: press the AE-Lock (or Green button on
the D) and the body will set a shutter speed to match your aperture setting
(presuming the aperture is stopped down). All auto exposure modes
Paul Sorenson wrote:
Agreed - better to replace than repair. Before you do that, though, if
you have access to another monitor, substitute it to make sure the
monitor is the problem and not the video card.
It could also be the cable connecting them...
S
ROTFLMAO
-Original message-
From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:34:15 -0500
To: pentax list pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Which side to scan?
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Cotty wrote:
No, right in the middle of the pic. Nice big lick on the finger,
Saturday evening I went shooting a medieval festival. I noticed only another
guy shooting with a DSLR and I coundn't believe my eyes... it was another
*istD! 100% Pentax DLSR there.
Dario
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From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent:
On 7/25/05 9:49 AM, Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Poor implementation I guess
It appears so.
I knew for the fact that Pentax solved the problem when Kyocera could not,
because a well-known Pentax person disclosed that Kyocera approached Pentax
for help. This was just before Kyocera
On Jul 25, 2005, at 8:03 AM, Cory Papenfuss wrote:
The other issue with K/M/S lenses (at least on the -DS) is that the
built-in flash becomes dumb. It fires fully and requires some
tweaking to get the exposure right. I hear with the -D, the
builtin will be TTL with non-A lenses, so that
Cotty,
Check the Subject.
Jack
--- Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 25/7/05, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed:
OK, OK, OK, OKcheezz!
It appears I, too, have tried your patience.
Yo Jack,
Any chance you could attribute your posts with
quoted text (as above)
because I have
All,
I'll try not to include the identifier PESO in
future text only posts. Sorry.
Jack
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Mark said
BTW - Two interesting facts about the media photographers at this event.
1: There was only one shooting Pentax (myself)
2: The Pentax shooters outnumbered the Nikon shooters
--
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com
On the last day of our Southern Utah trip, we had opportunity to
travel through Capitol Reef National Monument. There was one area
where we could hike around. It was a place that had been carved out
by the river and there were lots of interesting rocks and textures. I
stumbled upon this
to me it's more like Turtle! but I guess that's missing the excitement
factor.
nice shot!
Christian
- Original Message -
From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 11:54 AM
Subject: PESO - Shark!
On the last day of our Southern Utah
Hi Jack ...
What are you talking about?
Shel
[Original Message]
From: Jack Davis
OK, OK, OK, OKcheezz!
It appears I, too, have tried your patience.
Jack
Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
Of those who have seen it, about half see a shark and half see a
turtle. For a shark, it is more like a Great White.
--
Bruce
Monday, July 25, 2005, 9:02:57 AM, you wrote:
C to me it's more like Turtle! but I guess that's missing the excitement
C factor.
C nice shot!
C Christian
C -
On 25/7/05, Bruce Dayton, discombobulated, unleashed:
On the last day of our Southern Utah trip, we had opportunity to
travel through Capitol Reef National Monument. There was one area
where we could hike around. It was a place that had been carved out
by the river and there were lots of
On 25/7/05, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed:
Cotty,
Check the Subject.
har! This is the PDML! Since when has the subject line ever had anything
to do with the content!
Cheers,
Cotty
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How old is it? More than 3 years definitely replace if it is a monitor
problem.
Powell
My monitor is producing a yellow cast. Any ideas what may be causing that
(cat hair in the box, loose wire, major cosmic upheaval). Can monitors be
repaired? Is it worthwhile? Is there something I can
Mark -
Nice selection to post. Totally professional.
Did the rain ever appear?
Kenneth Waller
-Original Message-
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Some Mid-Ohio racing shots on line
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/2005ama/midohio/1/
--
Mark Roberts
Photography and
Hot news
From DPR:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0507/05072501pentax_dslrwebsite.asp
The actual web site:
http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/en/special/digiichi/
Cheers,
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On 25/7/05, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed:
Hot news
Sorry, that should read Petnax in the subject line :-)
Cheers,
Cotty
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Nice shots, Mark!
Pat White
On Jul 25, 2005, at 8:54 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote:
On the last day of our Southern Utah trip, we had opportunity to
travel through Capitol Reef National Monument. There was one area
where we could hike around. It was a place that had been carved out
by the river and there were lots of
OK - that might indeed be the case.
Actually when I now try to think what actually was said at the time - and it
was a few years back - I do not remember anything concrete, only that the
quality of the Philips chip was not good and the rejection rate was very,
very high. But I may be wrong again.
On 25/7/05, Jack Davis,
discombobulated,
unleashed:
Cotty,
Check the Subject.
har! This is the PDML! Since when has the subject line ever had anything
to do with the content!
Cheers,
Cotty
Usually the first reply, is pretty much on
On Jul 25, 2005, at 9:53 AM, Raimo K wrote:
The Contax brand is dying - film and digital - the last one to die
will be
the 645 in December, according to PopPhoto.
The Contax brand isn't dying. Contax as a label is owned by Carl
Zeiss Group, and licensed to Kyocera since the mid-1970s;
Dario Bonazza wrote:
Saturday evening I went shooting a medieval festival. I noticed only
another guy shooting with a DSLR and I coundn't believe my eyes... it
was another *istD! 100% Pentax DLSR there.
Which PDMLer was it?
Cotty wrote:
har! This is the PDML! Since when has the subject line ever had anything
to do with the content!
Whenever the subject line does not start with Re:
Offered to the PDML as basis for another discussion:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/clumps.shtml
Godfrey
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Offered to the PDML as basis for another discussion:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/clumps.shtml
Godfrey
Perhaps interesting, but I'm sorry Godfrey. I just can't bring myself to
give a damn which is sharper.
I still print Ilfochrome
Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mark -
Nice selection to post. Totally professional.
Not my selection. I sent in about 70-100 shots. The editor chose the
ones that appeared. There will probably be more later.
Did the rain ever appear?
Oh yeah. Downpour on Sunday, but not for long. We
On Jul 25, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Lewis Matthew wrote:
Offered to the PDML as basis for another discussion:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/clumps.shtml
Perhaps interesting, but I'm sorry Godfrey. I just can't bring
myself to give a damn which is sharper.
I still print Ilfochrome and
Frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a rat's patoot.
It's been well documented that true BW is the only valid contemporary
method of photographic expression. In time automated cell phones shall
take over the world and photography shall be little more than a dial tone
in history. Color film is the
The DS built-in flash works fine as a full-power manual flash,
though: just set the aperture per the guide number table in the
manual (page 149), and be sure the shutter is set to 1/180 sec or
slower.
Godfrey
Thanks for the heads up on that. I haven't used the built in flash on the
ist-Ds yet.
That's pretty funny, Shel. Made me laugh.
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a rat's patoot.
It's been well documented that true BW is the only valid contemporary
method of photographic expression. In time automated cell phones shall
take over the world and photography
It looks like the shark from the Saturday morning cartoons.
Butch
- Original Message -
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 3:08 PM
Subject: RE: Why Bumblebees Can't Fly
It's been well documented that true BW is the only valid contemporary
method of photographic expression.
Color film is
Made me laugh. :-)
Godfrey
On Jul 25, 2005, at 12:08 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a rat's patoot.
It's been well documented that true BW is the only valid contemporary
method of photographic expression. In time automated cell phones
shall
take over the world
They say buying a house is one of the
most
stressful activities possible.
http://www.cottysnaps.com/houses/cornstreet.html
(Don't bother if on dial-up - two dozen shots at about 80 kb each, z.)
I loved the house but my SO didn't, Cheers,
Laughs here, too.
Lewis
From: Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That's pretty funny, Shel. Made me laugh.
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a rat's patoot.
It's been well documented that true BW is the only valid contemporary
method of photographic expression. In time
On 7/25/05 7:48 AM, Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
it, in spite of the challenge, simply because they made a head start. But
watching the demise of Kyocera/Contax, the killing of the project was
probably prudent and right.
What do you think ar ethe chances of saying the same
Another lovely shot Bruce.
Got enough wall space for these.:-)
I like how you used the rocks as a frame.
I do that and the SO gives me heck.LOL
Dave
Down near Monument Valley is a place called
Valley of the Gods. It is
somewhat similar, but the
On Jul 25, 2005, at 12:24 PM, Butch Black wrote:
The DS built-in flash works fine as a full-power manual flash,
though: just set the aperture per the guide number table in the
manual (page 149), and be sure the shutter is set to 1/180 sec or
slower.
Thanks for the heads up on that. I haven't
Nice shot Frank.
I like the angle you used here. Reasonably sharp to.:-)
Dave
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?
photo_id=3564598
Actually, it's how one changes gears on a trackbike g. Before her
first heat, Simone road the course several times,
G'Day Dave.
Very nice. Iike the framinmg and tone of it.
Also like how the OOF areas start of light at the bottom and gradually get
softer and
darker at the top.
Dave
G'Day All,
I was out in the yard today and this caught my attention:
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