Example: When the Mazda Miata first came out there was no bargaining
with dealers on sticker price. The demand was higher than supply. One
paid sticker price or higher if they really wanted one now. Everyone
else waited until supply caught up.
Tom C.
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Right. Can you imagine Toyota
http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/35mm/k10d/image/k10d_09.gif
The left graph is the RAW analogue signal from CCD. Middle is the prevalent
12 bit conversion and the right of course is the 22 bit conversion.
Ken
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Thanks, Ken. But, er, am I the only one who doesn't understand what
these
http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/35mm/k10d/image/k10d_09.gif
...
In the middle and right charts:
a) the same analog signal is represented as the black line
b) the horizontal axis indicates the area of each digital pixel
c) the vertical axis represents the color values that the analog -
I wouldn't be terribly surprised if that was the price. Pentax seems to
have wised up on how to make money over the last few years.
Actually, as has been suggested, investing in some older MF glass
definitely looks like a very good idea. :-)
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Well, buyers can't turn to
The Sigma 500DG Super works very well.
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A consideration (for me) is that the Sigma flash's angle of view starts
at 18 mm. Both of the Pentax flashes will cover 16 mm--as in DA 16-45 or
DA 16-50.
The rtf on the *ist D also covered 16 mm. The rtf on the K10D will cover
only 18 mm. Another
I hope the USPS doesnt give me the runaround saying that they fulfilled
their duty and I cannot claim insurance.
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No, you bought the insurance from USPS, and it is their obligation to
pay the claim. Then they will work it out with the UK folks.
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The fact it needed to be upgraded to work with a new camera using the
exact same protocol says all it needs to about the Sigma. It's not in
spec for P-TTL (If it was, you wouldn't need to get it upgraded).
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This I find puzzling. Why does it need to be upgraded? Promaster has
I dont understand how the UK Royalmail/Parcelforce can be so incompetent
it seems. The US post office website shows the package arriving in the
UK on Sep 20th. The Royalmail/Parcelforce people keep pointing fingers
at each other saying that the other guy is handling it. And their
website doesnt
I never use the Sigma without a diffuser of some sort, so the wide angle
issue isn't an issue for me. Is the angle of view in 35mm terms or
APS-C? I'l have to look at the Sigma docs. In truth AOV shouldn't be
stated in terms of lens focal length.
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Angle of view of an 18 mm lens in
My take is that prices may go even higher, once everyone with a camera
older than the K10D realizes that the DA* lenses will not autofocus with
their camera.
Is that fact or rumor?
Dave
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Not exactly rumor, more like reasoned engineering analysis. I'm not an
engineer, but a discussion
For those of you in the big cities, this is probably a small thing, but
Regina managed to persuade the Rolling Stones to play two shows here,
one on Friday, the other last night.
I went to last nights show.
Heck of a good concert.
No, I didn't try to smuggle a camera in.
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Cotty wrote:
So you can't have the aperture stimulator (sic)
Oh, my. Is Pentax in that business too?
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Okay I know this has been discussed in detail here many times over but
I am having a hard time trying to decide whether to sell some, if not
all, of my film cameras.
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I thought perhaps I might try to salvage a few dollars out of one of my
two PZ-1p bodies. So I went to KEH's web site to
You are missing my point. Those film bodies that didn’t
Support PK/PKM were cheap models for those who didn’t want
The feature, and pentax always offered higher levels models the
Entire time that did. With the DSLRs none of them support
It. There should be at least ONE model at all times that
Does
I keep logging off this list because I can't deal with all the emails
but i always come back because I can't live without the PDML
Vic
never really left just been lurking...
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Welcome back, Vic.
Two ways to evade the email deluge are to participate through Doug's
Archive, which is very
yes I have been using the mail archive but you can't respond. And
sooner or later a discussion like the green button gives you reason to
respond... LOL
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Yes, you can respond through Mail-Archive. I do it all the time (to the
chagrin of most everyone here). You just need to be signed up
Did anyone catch the closing price on the one that just finished on
ebay. $1,600+. Wow that's some price. Must be a record???
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There's a thread on it over at dpreview.
My take is that prices may go even higher, once everyone with a camera
older than the K10D realizes that the DA*
OK, so if I understand you, the pics were made in RAW and converted to
JPEG within the camera, using the camera firm/software, as opposed to
being shot in JPEG or converted to JPEG in editing software like
Photoshop. Correct?
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I find this puzzling. Don't all JPEGs originate as RAW
Beware: 60X is too slow for the K10D. You'll lose write speed and
won't be able to take full advantage of the camera's capabilities.
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Paul, what X would you recommend?
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There are rumors at Dpreview that such a lens is indeed in the works.
Can anyone confirm this?
Another part of the rumor is that it might be an F5.6. We will just have
to wait and see.
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I can't offer advice beyond what you've gotten. I'll just add that for
some reason the combination of my DA 14 and BW polarizer tend to bind.
I now carry a filter remover, and try to remember not to tighten the
filter in. Bit of a nuisance.
The BW's are brass and aren't supposed to do this. I
Not quite what I was suggesting, I simply often don't need to shoot
three frames when I bracket, 0 and one under or 0 and one over, the
third frame is generally a waste of card space.
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Me too. With both transparencies and digital, the exposures I choose
between are either 0 or slightly
Pål, these are stunning.
I guess you were using Velvia? It was the right occasions for it.
Congratulations.
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Can non-members read the archives?
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Yes, at least two different ways.
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Bruce, I like this very much. Thanks for posting it.
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Also, all three new Pentax DA* lenses will be produced under D-Xenon
brand too. Designed by Pentax, manufactured by Tokina, sponsored by
Samsung :)
BR, Margus
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So the S-K versions of these lenses will be made for Samsung by Tokina?
Is this the case for all S-K lenses?
Margus, are you
I have been offered a contract with ITV News as a cameraman for the new
ITV Thames Valley News service to be launched in December here in the
UK. I leave the staff of same at the end of November. My company is
called Seeing Eye Productions and will start trading soon.
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Congratulations, Cotty,
The existence of Lithium AAs blows away their theory. Cheap, light,
durable, easy-care (actually non-care), with half a decade of
shelf-life.
True, but Pentax have to assume that customers might use AA Alkalines
and claim that things won't work. They could specify not to use
Alkalines
The DA18-55 and DA50-200 are definitely lower spec on build if not
performance.
When Pop Photo reviewed the Samsung version of the DA 50-200, they said
that in some ways it outperforms some constant F2.8 telezooms. But they
wondered if it will retain that performance, or if the optical elements
I sure wish people would stop picking on Roman. Whatever, if any, his
trespasses may be, others on this list make gaffs and can often be a
PITA with some of their list behavior as well, more so than Roman
posting info late. At least he's on topic with Pentax related
subjects.
I object to
this is what I'm getting
Dimension C521,Sempron 3400+(1.80GHz, 256K)311-67171 512MB
DDR2 SDRAM at 533MHz
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Good deal, Ann.
Just root around in the Dell site to find out how to de-crapify it of
all the bloatware and advertising that Dell will load on it.
But otherwise, Dell offers amazing
On Sep 29, 2006, at 1:12 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote:
In my religion, one should read other posts of the lists one posts to.
Post unto others as you would have them post unto you.
Bob
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Good ones, Bob and Tom. Made my evening.
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Going to 12MP from 10 will be an even smaller step than going to 8MP
from 6, so they'll have to throw lots of other nice stuff into the
equation :) I'm thinking cast magnesium chassis, higher frame-rate, CF
and SD cards, bluetooth, etc. grin
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This is a puzzle. The K10D is so well spec'd
Ann, sorry to hear this. I had similar frustrations with W98SE. I
finally had to bite the bullet and install XP. It was a colossal
nuisance, and about 17 months later I am still recovering from it, but I
am glad that I made the switch. USB port problems are a think of the past.
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Ann, I know that finances are usually a consideration. When you have the
money, you can get a useable XP machine for $500 or less.
Also, regarding the files on your current PC, you can get an external
hard drive in a case that connects through USB. Heck, these are down to
about $100. Or get a
This just in from Ulan Bator
http://shavemyyeti.com/
WW
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products. It is now Malta.
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http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/2983/display/6771138
Taken from our hotel room.
Tough place to attend a conference. Someone has to do it, etc.
The organizers have actually paid for my travel, hotel, and (wonderful)
meals twice to come to this place. Someone appreciates me.
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I asked:
Will the DA 70 be able to accept filters in the lens hood,like the DA
21 and DA 40? If so, what will the filter diameter be?
And Pentax USA responded:
Thank you for contacting Pentax. The DA series lenses are designed for
the Pentax Digital SLR camera bodies, and the digital SLR has
In short, CF will be UDMA133 compatible and yes you'be able to use new
cards in old cameras like D. When I said CF was a better standard than
SD(HC) well... here's the proof (maybe... I wish ;)
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What's an event? How much time can this feature save? What does that
translate to in $$?
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Relax, Shel. I think it's just a roll of black tape.
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Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, Handheld
ISO 400, 1/1000 sec @ f/8.0
http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3439.htm
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Nice, Bruce. Reminds me of growing up there. So many times I've seen
that. Thanks.
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This is not a Cotty friendly picture ;-)
Others with coronmant allergy are recommended to stay away too.
http://www.photosight.org/photo.php?photoid=43678refid=999ref=author
The link is to a colour version. After some conciderations I decided to
go for a bw version. If you scroll down a bit,
http://users.rcn.com/annsan/selfportraitwithcat.jpg
I was set up to photo an item for ebay and I had the
audacity to hang the bag on _her_ chair...
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Cute, Ann.
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Transcend 150x 2G SD cards have proven to be reliable and fast, are
currently on sale at NewEgg.com for $37 apiece. I've done business
with them quite a few times and not had any bad experiences.
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Many told me to quit griping about Pentax ditching CF cards because SD
cards were now so
The Transcend cards are at bargain prices and are very good quality.
Shel
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Shel, can you clarify your assessment above? Is there independent
testing you can point to?
I'd love to pay less, but need to be confident that the cards are as
reliable as the Lexars I've been using. Some time
Shel wrote:
Godfrey and I here on this list have found them to be reliable.
Neither of us jump into things and make our purchases lightly
That's right, Shel. You don't. I hadn't considered that when I asked.
FWIW, I am very cautious and conservative wrt to _any_purchase I make.
I read
When our K10Ds arrive, what is the best way to care for the rechargeable
battery:
Wait until empty, then recharge?
Top it up regularly?
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Dpreview's review of the Nikon D80 is up:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond80/
To my eyes, the aggressive noise reduction produces noticeable image
softness compared with the other models. From ISO 800 up, the images are
(to me) unacceptably soft.
I continue to be concerned that the K10D
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/4404/display/6739171
Pure serendipity. Late on the night of our arrival, jet-lagged and very
tired, my wife and I stepped out the Galleria Vittorio Emanuele and saw
this sight.
Comments welcome.
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A street in the old part of Milan. This was taken a few minutes after
the one in the last post, on our way back to our hotel (not the hotel in
the photo).
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The two new galleries are here:
http://boris.isra-shop.com/norway_2004/index.html
http://boris.isra-shop.com/uk_2005/index.html
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Some nice ones in there. Boris. Those Norwegian wood churches are
something, aren't they?
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I used one (black HDPE) film container to build up a weld on a leaky
Briggs Stratton POS fuel tank.
Do I get a prize for originality? ;-)
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Relatively speaking. My sister and her husband once had a local repair
guy in a village in Sierra Leone use a leaf to make a carburetor gasket.
Joe
Some years ago, after not having done photography for a number of years,
I picked up my cameras again, in part with the idea that it would allow
me to meet new people and make new friends. It certainly has ...
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Not so. I've seen the results when using black tape. The resultant
photos always appear sharper and better focused. This is because black
tape absorbs stray light rays and ill-behaved photons. The tape, when
properly applied, can also hold camera doors shut, secure loose and
wobbly lenses,
Is gaffer's tape one of those?
If so, where does one buy it?
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Gaffer Tape -- no possessive form.
BH has 2 or 3 web pages of it.
Very handy stuff.
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The sentence I found most interesting:
These products are designed for exclusive use with
PENTAX K- and *istD-series digital SLR cameras.
So they *do* intend to keep old-style focussing ability (the
so-called screwdriver drive) as well as SDM.
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I hope you are right, John. But
http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/lens/roadmap.pdf
There is, indeed, a DA 35 mm forthcoming (probably F2, from what Samsung
announced). And others.
There's also a photo of the DA 70 with its lens hood. Hood attached, it
doesn't look very pancake-ish.
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This time they mounted the lens correctly.
So the FA 35 mm F2 will continue in production as a Samsung S-K Xenon
lens. I wonder if it will be produced in Vietnam.
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Does anyone have a direct email address to contact Pentax Customer Service?
I tried the website form, but am not getting a response.
Thanks,
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So sorry, Tim. What wonderful, expressive eyes he had.
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I'm back from a few days in Italy--Milan, Venice, Porto Venere. The trip
was mainly for a conference in Porto Venere, so there was only a little
chance for photography. Because of this I took only a minimal kit--*ist
D, DA 21, DA 40, and A 50 F1.2. The DA 21 got a workout, and proved
Pentax is reportedly still finalizing the firmware as we speak
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Does anyone else find this worrisome? Since dealers have been given
availability dates, Pentax's engineeers and code writers will be working
under pressure to get everything
Just a question, but how do you like the DA 40 on digital? They're quite
cheap here in Canada right now, so I'm considering grabbing one.
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Wonderful little lens. Very sharp, even wide open. I used it frequently
on this trip. It can stay in your pocket when not in use.
Last year I
With the release date approaching so close, it is very conceivable that
distributors/retailers already got documentations and if you are
persistent/insistent, you might be able to get it :-).
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I wish I could draw.
I have in my mind a cartoon. The scene is somewhere up in the clouds.
The
Any idea how the DA21mm compares to the FA20mm in sharpness and
contrast? I have the FA20 but wonder if the DA21 would be any better...
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Jim, search the archive. I compared them systematically a couple of
months ago, and posted here. I don't have time right now to look it
I've seen pics of the 16-50/2.8
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Really? Where?
The only pic I've seen is of the Tokina version. That doesn't count--it
doesn't have the green metal band.
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The smaller camera's badge reads just D. This is probably the same
mockup we saw before. Perhaps even the photos are old. A hoax?
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The D FAs are supposed to be for both film and digital. Whether they
indicate that someday there will be a 24 x 36 mm sensor in a Pentax DSLR
is anyone's guess.
There are reports (pretty reliable) of a forthcoming D FA telezoom
(called high performance in Pentax's lens chart), and rumors of D
This is a question about composition. I came across the following photo
(not mine):
http://www.zyeuter.com/bon_baiser_de_valensole/photo107872.html
There is much about it that I like, but I think that the bottom third is
a mistake. It seems to me that the photographer should have cut off the
Can someone provide the reference, or a pointer, to where Pentax or some
reliable source mentions that such lenses will be available? Or is
this whole USM thing just more speculation?
Shel
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Shel, as posters have indicated, the discussion goes back to the late
90s (at least). The
You're missing the fact that you can get much better autofocus
performance with a motor in the lens.
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I'm not questioning this, Paul, but could you provide more details about
what you mean by better?
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Mark wrote this, followed by specifics:
With all the speculation about what we might (or might not) have
coming in the K10D I suddenly realized that no one has mentioned a
couple of the things that I would most like to see improved over the
ist cameras.
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Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:22:21 -0600
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While Jesse's question to me may be, do you mean the K100D, thought
I'd ask what would you'd like answered if you had a chance
O find that I can't get excited about having a motor in the lens. What's
wrong with me? What am I missing?
Is anyone else not worked up over this?
It strikes me as one more thing that will need to be repaired
someday...probably when parts are no longer available.
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Even if they did strip and recoat the lenses, however, based on the
work I've seen from them I doubt you would find any fault with their
work. They are top notch, the lenses that have been restored by them
after heinous coating damage have proven to be superb performers.
Godfrey
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Anything else?
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Jostein, you are one of the ones who knows!
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Welcome back, Bill.
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I thought people were talking about using these contacts for USM drive.
I thought PZ itself is a dead issue (can see no reason to resurrect it,
particularly if Pentax are planning to equip lenses with USM), but the
concept of driving something in a lens (instead of PZ) is a logical one when
we
http://www.converse.ru/img/460805808.jpg
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=19822373
Yes it's a Sumdung but check out the mode dial
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Which is why I think we will get ISO set and other useful things in the
menu.
And check out how the lens is mounted. Do you trust
From Rob Brigham:
Hi guys - been lurking and not managing to keep up with the list for
some time but starting to get K10D urges!
From Roland Mabo:
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Rob, can you give us the url for this? I assume it is from dpreview,
where Roland is a regular, but I cannot find it there.
Thanks,
Joe
Shel wrote:
...and, just when things start to die down, rumors will surface about a
new Pentax, with more of everything. One constant through all this will
be Joe Tainter complaining about the use of SD cards TIC.
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Allude, not complain. Go look at my post that started the long thread a
On DPReview there is a gentleman who claims that his
local camera store in Portland, Maine showed him an
advertising flyer for the K10D with the following
specs:
- 10 Megapixels
- ISO 100 to 3200
- Shake Reduction
- Anti-Dust System
- Li-Ion Battery
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Is this the rumor of a rechargeable
My next one (actually top of my personal list) is lack of a quick way of
changing ISO settings - preferably a physical dial rather than a menu item.
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We may be disappointed in this and other things that need changing
frequently, if I recall
The best lens person in the US who I would send any lens with that
kind of growth on it to is John Van Stelton at Focal Point:
http://www.focalpointlens.com/
Anyone who values their lenses should keep that URL handy! They
normally do Leica, Rollei, Hasselblad work, but have done others for
me
http://www.oksne.net/paw/calanoid.html
Thanks for looking.
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Cool.
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Hope you get paid, Paul. Let us know.
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Nevertheless, my understanding is that the cost of the FF size
sensors is at least 10 times (or more) that of the APS sized one,
and this gap is not going to narrow any time soon.
...
We'll see.
Cheers,
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And I thought I had seen that Sony's APS-C sensors are now down to $50
Great clouds.
I don't recall if you can put a polarizer on the 15/3.5.
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After posting my comments I began to think about what I said. Can
anyone make a case for CF cards as being a better choice than SD cards,
apart from some CF cards having a greater capacity than the current
highest capacity SD cards?
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Make a case? The case for me is that it feels
[Original Message]
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi
My reservations about the 24/2 stem from the wide disparity of
comments I've heard about its optical performance. It seems most
people who have used it with film love it, but most people who've
used it with the DSLR bodies find too much
A very good lens in this zoom range.
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Shel wrote:
I get a sense that there will be no further firmware
upgrades to these cameras even though that was not specifically stated.
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shown a lack of concern for customers investments in storage cards.
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Subject: photo dot net thread mentioning the pdml
There's a recent thread over at the photodotnet Pentax forum that
mentions the PDML in a rather, well, unforgiving light. It made me
laugh out loud. Enjoy:
I do remember a Wigwam, though I can't offer much except the vague
recollection that he was a bit abrasive. Perhaps not in the Brad Dobo
league, but I don't think his attitude was well received. Perhaps this
is being colored by his post on photo.net
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I responded:
I'm a PDML member, and I can recommend it wholeheartedly as a great
place to talk Pentax.
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And utterly ruined our little hideout here.
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Though a careful reading of the Holy Crap thread will reveal all.
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I think only to someone really good at word puzzles.
Marnie aka Doe :-)
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Where's Annsan?
Joe
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You're travelling sept 8th? I'd consider buying a Pelican
case a few days before you travel if the ban is not lifted - you'll have
to check *everything* photographic. Sad but true, and necessary.
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Cotty
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That's a possibility. Trouble is, I would have to ship it unlocked. I
I'm less afraid of being blown to smithereens over the
North Atlantic than I am frustrated to exasperation with ineffective
and disruptive counter-measures.
G
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Me too. I suspect that much of the overreaction is CYA. No official
wants to be the one who did too little. No politician wants
The Transportation Security Administration has not yet updated its web
site today. I heard on a news report, though, that electronic devices
are not allowed in carry-on bags on flights from the U.S. to and from
any location in Europe, or with connections anywhere in Europe -- not
just England.
I ended up buying the Sigma tonight. It just suited my needs.
Amita
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Amita, please let us know what you think of it.
Thanks,
Joe
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