From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:45:13 -0500
According to Pentax, it's to prevent bonehead consumers (they didn't
actually use the word bonehead but that's my poetic license!) from
accidentally moving the lens off the A setting and taking all their
photos at f/22,
Roland Mabo said:
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:45:13 -0500
According to Pentax, it's to prevent bonehead consumers (they didn't
actually use the word bonehead but that's my poetic license!) from
accidentally moving the lens off the A setting and taking
Well, a little power-point presentation (or Freelance graphics) running on
the LCD-panel at the back would probably do the trick. :-)
Best wishes,
Roland
From: Gregory L. Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:19:49 -0500 (EST)
You think they'd read the user manuals?
Perhaps the
I might even consider the American model if it yelled out, Hey,
Stoopid! With custom functions for loud and louder. Lend it to in-laws
so they can take good pictures at music recitals.
BR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Perhaps the camera should give a verbal warning when the ring is moved
from the
On Friday, Mar 14, 2003, at 06:07 US/Pacific,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Apparently this is a
real problem that costs Pentax dealers and service departments a lot
of
time (ie, money) because of cameras brought in for warranty repair
when
there's nothing wrong with them.
Perhaps the user manuals
I thought that was a GM/Ford thing... Do you know which Japanese cars
talked?
I remember Door is Ajar, but I thought that was in some big boat of a car.
R
Peter Alling wrote:
Sound's like the Japanese attempt to sell talking cars in the US. We
didn't take to them.
GM was just following Toyota's lead. Around 1980 maybe.
At 12:37 AM 3/14/2003 -0600, you wrote:
I thought that was a GM/Ford thing... Do you know which Japanese cars talked?
I remember Door is Ajar, but I thought that was in some big boat of a car.
R
Peter Alling wrote:
Sound's like the
French cars has talked for a long time. They always seems something to talk
about you know. :-) I believe that the Peugeot 505 Turbo in the early 80's
were one of the first.
Best wishes,
Roland
From: Ryan K. Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 00:37:04 -0600
I thought that was a
Bruce wrote:
You used to say that entry level was where Pentax made most of their money. Did this
change because Pentax may not be competing in the segment.
REPLY:
I didn't say entry level. I said bottom of the barrel. All MZ-series Pentaxes are
entry level except the MZ-S.
All MZ-series
Our 87 Maxima did.
BR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I thought that was a GM/Ford thing... Do you know which Japanese cars
talked?
Price is the definition of segment. Everything else is marketspeak and
double talk.
BR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...the same camera sold at various price points.
On 03.3.14 1:37 AM, Ryan K. Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I thought that was a GM/Ford thing... Do you know which Japanese cars
talked?
I remember Door is Ajar, but I thought that was in some big boat of a car.
From 1986 for about 5 years, I was driving 300ZX Turbo (Nissan), and it was
a
KT wrote...
Also, the instrument panel was a star wars or video arcade
game thing with strange histogram-like vertical bar graph, which occupied
most of the front instrument panel, indicating the manifold pressure (I
thought it was) which goes up and down constantly. Other indications such
as
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:16:03 -0500
From: KT Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 03.3.14 1:37 AM, Ryan K. Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I thought that was a GM/Ford thing... Do you know
which Japanese cars
talked?
I remember Door is Ajar, but I thought that was in
some big boat of a car.
- Original Message -
From: Jerry in Houston
Subject: Re: *ist and the lens mount
I don't know abou5t the car, but I do remember a
friend in the 80's who had a camera called the Minolta
Talker. I can't remember everything it said, but I do
remember than when there was not enough
If it didn't it should!
At 05:51 PM 3/14/2003 +, you wrote:
Roland Mabo wrote:
French cars has talked for a long time. They always seems something to talk
about you know. :-) I believe that the Peugeot 505 Turbo in the early 80's
were one of the first.
Yes, I remember. I think the
Did you get the munchies a lot as well? That might explain the easily
amused part... :)
At 03:41 PM 3/14/2003 -0800, you wrote:
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:16:03 -0500
From: KT Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 03.3.14 1:37 AM, Ryan K. Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I thought that was a GM/Ford
Pål wrote...
This is pretty much what I have been suggesting for awhile now.
I know. I didn't believed you at first, but since all Pentax distributores -
except Pentax U.S - tells the same story, then I'm starting to believe you
more and more. :-)
Anyway, the *ist D was initially made with the
Bill Owens wrote...
According to what I consider a reliable source, NO ONE at Pentax USA
knows, or has heard anything about, a KAF3 mount.
I'm not surprised. They usually doesn't know a thing before the product is
ready to be released. Pentax Japan is famous for having the tightest lips in
Hello gang,
I wrote yesterday that I've asked Pentax Scandinavia about the lens
compatibility on the *ist. I've just found out that I probably won't get any
answer this week, because they're out of the office. They're at the CeBIT
show in Germany until this friday.
Best wishes,
Roland
Roland wrote:
The MZ-50 was Pentax first attemp in the low end SLR field, and this was actually a
Dynax 303 competitor with manual features!
I'm happy that Pentax leaves the absolute low-end SLR field and begins a little step
higher.
REPLY:
I believe you're right. I don't think the bottom
Mark wrote:
MZ-S
*ist
ZX-L (MZ-6)
ZX-60 (MZ-60)
Any new cameras introduced will be in addition to these.
REPLY:
But this is in total contradiction to the signal made by both the Pentax boss and
Pentax UK. They want to reduce the number of models (Pentax UK says three and that
seems
Bill wrote:
According to what I consider a reliable source, NO ONE at Pentax USA knows,
or has heard anything about, a KAF3 mount.
REPLY:
Well, A Pentax source I know says the FA J lenses uses a totally new protocol for
apertrure control. Whether this is KAF3 or not is another matter.
Pål
From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:54:03 +0100
Well, A Pentax source I know says the FA J lenses uses a totally new
protocol for apertrure control. Whether this is KAF3 or not is another
matter.
If Pentax are moving towards a more electronic lens mount, then the
Lets see what we have;
*ist lens description, multi country, this way or that.
*ist D lens description
Some duff pictures of a lens mount
And we may have KAF3or we may have a mount, give me that grey steed,
what a ride...
My source says it is but my source says it doesn't
Hi,
So *ist works well with M lens? How do you like the camera?Have you tried AF etc?
Alek
Uytkownik Roland Mabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa:
Then they are not compatible. Pentax has always meant compatible to allow
you make use of a lens turning a lens into a fixed aperture makes it
relatively
On March 13, 2003 11:38 am, Roland Mabo wrote:
For example, I have a M 28 f/2.8. I want to use it on the *ist, because of
the lovely character the M 28 has. Now, I set the lens at f/2.8 and the
*ist displays a shutter speed of 1/125. But I don't want to use it at
f/2.8, I want more
Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bill wrote:
According to what I consider a reliable source, NO ONE at Pentax USA knows,
or has heard anything about, a KAF3 mount.
REPLY:
Well, A Pentax source I know says the FA J lenses uses a totally new protocol for
apertrure control. Whether this is
Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mark wrote:
MZ-S
*ist
ZX-L (MZ-6)
ZX-60 (MZ-60)
Any new cameras introduced will be in addition to these.
REPLY:
But this is in total contradiction to the signal made by both the
Pentax boss and Pentax UK. They want to reduce the number of models
(Pentax
Hi Roland,
Roland Mabo wrote:
For example, I have a M 28 f/2.8. I want to use it on the *ist,
because of the lovely character the M 28 has. Now, I set the
lens at f/2.8 and the *ist displays a shutter speed of 1/125.
But I don't want to use it at f/2.8, I want more depth-of-field.
I want
Well I've almost arrived. A PDML heretic. I'm honored. :)
At 11:33 AM 3/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Why don't we wait and see what is actually going to be supported before
jumping to conclusions.
What, actually wait and see something instead of complaining about it sight
unseen? That's heresy
If you're good with that it's fine with me. If I were going to do that I'd
get an
SMC Takumar 28mm f2.8.
At 05:38 PM 3/13/2003 +0100, you wrote:
Then they are not compatible. Pentax has always meant compatible to
allow you make use of a lens turning a lens into a fixed aperture makes
it
On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, [iso-8859-1] Pål Jensen wrote:
MZ-S
*ist
ZX-L (MZ-6)
ZX-60 (MZ-60)
But this is in total contradiction to the signal made by both the Pentax
boss and Pentax UK.
How so? I thought it was mentioned that Pentax wanted to reduce the
number of film SLRs to 3 models. Mark
Hi gang,
According to Pentax Germany and the press information PDF
(http://www.pentax.de/pentaxeurope/pentaxeurope_prod/pentaxeurope/v2/de/photo/newsArea/news/PENTAXistA/prod.html),
the *ist is only compatible with KAF2 (no power zoom), KAF and KA. Not
K-mount. This means that the *ist has the
Just saw a typo - the information about the *ist was posted on the German
website at the 7th of March. That's last friday.
From: Roland Mabo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: *ist and the lens mount.
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:09:19 +0100
Hi gang,
According to Pentax Germany and the press information
I can see the page and have seen it before but I can see no such
information.
Arnold
Roland Mabo schrieb:
Hi gang,
According to Pentax Germany and the press information PDF
(http://www.pentax.de/pentaxeurope/pentaxeurope_prod/pentaxeurope/v2/de/photo/newsArea/news/PENTAXistA/prod.html),
Hi Arnold,
I saw it. It is in the PDF-File. So the *ist is not compatible
with K- and M-lenses. Hopefully the *ist D is!
Best regards, Hans.
--- Arnold Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can see the page and have seen it before but I can see no such
information.
Arnold
Roland Mabo schrieb:
In the PDF for the *ist D it says compatible with K-, KA-, KAF- and KAF2
lenses.
Ziggy
Hi Arnold,
I saw it. It is in the PDF-File. So the *ist is not compatible with K- and
M-lenses. Hopefully the *ist D is!
Best regards, Hans.
--- Arnold Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can see the page
On March 12, 2003 09:45 am, Hans Imglueck wrote:
Hi Arnold,
I saw it. It is in the PDF-File. So the *ist is not compatible
with K- and M-lenses. Hopefully the *ist D is!
Pentax USA claims otherwise:
Usable lenses - Pentax KAF2-(power zoom not available), KAF-, KA- and K-mount
lenses
It seems to me that I should believe Boz's speculations more than what
Pentax officially writes. Still I will check the *ist IN REALITY in a
few days
Arnold
Hans Imglueck schrieb:
Hi Arnold,
I saw it. It is in the PDF-File. So the *ist is not compatible
with K- and M-lenses. Hopefully
From: Arnold Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: *ist and the lens mount.
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:31:36 +0100
I can see the page and have seen it before but I can see no such
information.
Roland Mabo schrieb:
Hi gang,
According to Pentax Germany and the press information PDF
(http
From: Hans Imglueck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: *ist and the lens mount.
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 06:45:48 -0800 (PST)
I saw it. It is in the PDF-File. So the *ist is not compatible
with K- and M-lenses. Hopefully the *ist D is!
It seems to be.
Best wishes,
Roland
, they simply said We don't know, we haven't got any information..
Best wishes,
Roland
From: Nick Zentena [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: *ist and the lens mount.
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:58:12 -0500
On March 12, 2003 09:45 am, Hans Imglueck wrote:
Hi Arnold,
I saw it. It is in the PDF-File. So the *ist
- Original Message -
From: Roland Mabo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: *ist and the lens mount.
According to Pentax Germany and the press information PDF
(http://www.pentax.de/pentaxeurope/pentaxeurope_prod/pentaxeurope/v2/de/phot
o/newsArea/news/PENTAXistA/prod.html),
the *ist is only
On March 12, 2003 10:45 am, Roland Mabo wrote:
Yes, but Pentax Germany's info is newer...
Newer doesn't mean better.
How are the Pentax press releases written? Do they make one up at head
office and then translate them or does each local group produce thier own?
Either way
Roland wrote:
In a sense, this is a logical move since the *ist is entry level
(replaces the MZ-60, MZ-7 and MZ-6). I believe that the two more
upmarket models (the replacement for the MZ-3/5n and the MZ-S) will
feature KAF3 with full backwards compatibility.
I don´t see how there could
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:39
Subject: re: *ist and the lens mount.
I don´t see how there could be two more upmarket models since the *ist is
already so well featured (better than MZ-5n minus compability) and costs
$300. Pentax, prove me wrong!
Roland wrote:
In a sense, this is a logical move since the *ist is entry level
(replaces the MZ-60, MZ-7 and MZ-6). I believe that the two more
upmarket models (the replacement for the MZ-3/5n and the MZ-S) will
feature KAF3 with full backwards compatibility.
I don´t see how there could be
Actually I would call neither MZ-7, nor MZ-6 an entry level camera,
especially if the MZ-60 is also called this way - the former are much more
complicated, as well as the *ist is, and all of them are too complicated
to be put into the same group with the MZ-60.
But the *ist serie replaces the
yes, fully automatic to at least a minute.
Herb
- Original Message -
From: Roland Mabo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:44
Subject: Re: *ist and the lens mount.
Lower shutter speeds?
Anyway, I don't believe we'll see replace finders
According to what I consider a reliable source, NO ONE at Pentax USA knows,
or has heard anything about, a KAF3 mount.
Bill
- Original Message -
From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: *ist and the lens mount
whatever it is called, the recent patents issued to Pentax says that there is a new
mount with new capabilities.
Herb
- Original Message -
From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 14:45
Subject: Re: *ist and the lens mount
And Pentax has been granted many patents that they haven't used.
Bill
- Original Message -
From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: *ist and the lens mount.
whatever it is called, the recent patents issued to Pentax
You can never be sure about what's in Mc Elligots Pool.
BR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
whatever it is called, the recent patents issued to Pentax says that there is a new mount with new capabilities.
Herb
This is pretty much what I have been suggesting for awhile now. Anyway, the *ist D was
initially made with the same crippled mount but as I have said a few days ago, Pentax
is apparently working on modifications and the *ist D design isn't finalized yet. So
theres still hope for the digital
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