It could mean they paid the maker to give them exclusive rights.
Particularly in adspeak.
Paul
On Dec 8, 2007, at 12:25 AM, graywolf wrote:
What does proprietary mean?
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Based on what I've seen, the E-3 is much closer to the D200 than the
D300 at 3200, and certainly inferior to the 40D (Poor resolution of
detail due to excessive NR).
-Adam
On 12/7/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Who has a 14 megapixel APS CMOS sensor?
It's probably the
Are u looking at JPEGs? No NR on RAW.
G
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On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 12:17:09 -0500 Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Based on what I've seen, the E-3 is much closer to the D200 than the
D300 at 3200, and certainly inferior to
JPEG's mostly, but a couple RAW's (I've deleted them though). You sure
there's no NR on RAW? I know Sony at least does NR on RAW's, and Canon
does some on-chip NR that affects both formats.
The E-3 did not impress me at all. Poor handling and IQ appeared equal
to the last-generation 10MP bodies
No point arguing what you like or don't like.
I've spent a bit of time shooting with the E-3 today (another fellow
at the workshop I attended had one): I like it. The control logic is
quite different from the Pentax bodies, but it works well for me.
Haven't looked at any JPEGs but the RAW
http://stock-photo.blogspot.com/2007/11/pentax-k20d-on-show-at-pma-2008.html
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Why all the vitriol, Bob? It's just a camera. If you don't want one,
don't need what it offers above and beyond the K10D or feel that it
doesn't suit your needs, just ignore it. If you want something else,
sell what you have and buy that instead.
I just don't understand all this pissing and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Who has a 14 megapixel APS CMOS sensor?
It's probably the Pentax-designed sensor we've been hearing about for a
few years, with manufacturing done by some large semiconductor maker.
I'm disappointed that it's APS-sized - I'd much prefer fewer pixels in
a larger area -
There's resent speculation that the sensor is Canon APS-H more or
less with a 1.25-1.3 crop factor. I didn't save the link. However I
feel better about having not yet bought a K10D as I may simply skip a
generation and go to the K20D, if the high ISO noise characteristics are
reasonable,
Let the whining begin. I can't imagine why you ever expected full frame. I
think I'll wait to see how good this camera is or isn't before I make
definitive decisions. But it sounds damn good on paper.
Paul
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From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL
On Dec 7, 2007, at 12:03, P. J. Alling wrote:
I may simply skip a
generation and go to the K20D, if the high ISO noise characteristics
are
reasonable, (if not I should be able to get quite a bargain on
either a
used or remaindered K10D).
That's sort of my game plan, unless the K200D
if their noise reduction algoritms are the same as in the E510, NR at
high ISO is crap, as far as I could see on the samples I could look
at.
I sincerely hope Olympus did better with the E3 (no I did NOT look at
E3 samples).
Concerning the noise of the coming 14Mpix sensor, nobody said it used
What does proprietary mean?
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Very good news. Who has a 14 megapixel APS CMOS sensor?
Paul
In a message dated 12/7/2007 11:00:49 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Dec 7, 2007, at 12:03, P. J. Alling wrote:
I may simply skip a
generation and go to the K20D, if the high ISO noise characteristics
are
reasonable, (if not I should be able to get quite a
LOL-- You really only need to read the first eight words and forget
about the because. That's what I did.
Jack
--- Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
CCDs still enjoy significant noise advantages over CMOS because of
quieter sensor substrates,
Not in APS C format AFIK.
Scott Loveless wrote:
Mark Roberts wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Who has a 14 megapixel APS CMOS sensor?
It's probably the Pentax-designed sensor we've been hearing about for a
few years, with manufacturing done by some large semiconductor
Quoting Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
CCDs still enjoy significant noise advantages over CMOS because of
quieter sensor substrates, inherent tolerances to bus capacitance
variations and common output amplifiers with transistor geometries
that
can be easily adapted to minimal noise.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Jack Davis
Subject: Re: Full-frame Pentax? No, but this is coming:
I'm wondering about the noise control with a 14mp APS sensor.
Am anxious to begin learning about it. (hope the price estimate is
really high). LoL
IIRC, CMOS
- Original Message -
From: Jack Davis
Subject: Re: Full-frame Pentax? No, but this is coming:
I'm wondering about the noise control with a 14mp APS sensor.
Am anxious to begin learning about it. (hope the price estimate is
really high). LoL
IIRC, CMOS sensors are inherently less
Bob Blakely wrote:
For a full frame at ~15 megapixels or better body from Pentax I'd
pay ~ $2500 . If Pentax can't make it available in the next year or
so, you may well find all my gear on ebay as I build the capital to
buy the bodies with the full frame sensors I want and the lenses
to
Personally, I'm happy with APS-C. Especially combined with SR. And
that's how I'm building my lens kit.
I've had a chance to shoot a Nikon D3 (Guy I know was VERY high on the
waiting list). It's quite nice, and the IQ is incredible. But it's not
the camera for me. Overly large without the option
Very good news. Who has a 14 megapixel APS CMOS sensor?
Paul
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From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://stock-photo.blogspot.com/2007/11/pentax-k20d-on-show-at-pma-2008.html
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The D3 has a 12.1 Cmos FF.
Close???
:-)
Dave
On Dec 7, 2007 11:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Very good news. Who has a 14 megapixel APS CMOS sensor?
Paul
-- Original message --
From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Who has a 14 megapixel APS CMOS sensor?
It's probably the Pentax-designed sensor we've been hearing about
for a
few years, with manufacturing done by some large semiconductor
maker.
Gee whiz. Doesn't Samsung have the capability to do that sort of
thing?
Panasonic manufactures the
William Robb wrote:
From: Jack Davis
I'm wondering about the noise control with a 14mp APS sensor.
Am anxious to begin learning about it. (hope the price estimate is
really high). LoL
IIRC, CMOS sensors are inherently less noisy than CCDs.
I could have it backwards though.
You've got it
I'm wondering about the noise control with a 14mp APS sensor.
Am anxious to begin learning about it. (hope the price estimate is
really high). LoL
Jack
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let the whining begin. I can't imagine why you ever expected full
frame. I think I'll wait to see how good this
God damn it!
My reaction is visceral!
I suppose 14 megapixels, a bigger screen and live view is nice, but what I
have in the K10D works great for me in the digital arena and since I have
two of them, I won't be buying to upgrade. Period! Even if it came out at
the same price as the current
More rumors, no new facts, but that's to be expected.
Joseph Tainter wrote:
http://stock-photo.blogspot.com/2007/11/pentax-k20d-on-show-at-pma-2008.html
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Very good news. Who has a 14 megapixel APS CMOS sensor?
Paul
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The reports are that Pentax designed the sensor, and that Samsung will
manufacture it. Some people claim that Pentax could not possibly do this
(too small, little capital) on their own. Pentax did announce back in
2004 that
Mark Roberts wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Who has a 14 megapixel APS CMOS sensor?
It's probably the Pentax-designed sensor we've been hearing about for a
few years, with manufacturing done by some large semiconductor maker.
Gee whiz. Doesn't Samsung have the capability to do that
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