Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-03-07 Thread P. J. Alling
So we're on to sex now? On 3/1/2010 8:02 AM, Tom C wrote: It looks like it'll take an act of congress to get one. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Steven Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com wrote: I hadn't looked at this thread in a while. Clearly the Pentax FF issue is far more complicated

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-03-07 Thread Larry Colen
You mean that sometimes we aren't? On Mar 7, 2010, at 6:54 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: So we're on to sex now? On 3/1/2010 8:02 AM, Tom C wrote: It looks like it'll take an act of congress to get one. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Steven Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com wrote: I hadn't

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-03-07 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame So we're on to sex now? As soon as Congress got mentioned, it was pretty evident that someone was getting screwed. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-03-07 Thread Steven Desjardins
Mark or not, it's true. On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:27 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame So we're on to sex now? As soon as Congress got mentioned, it was pretty evident that

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-03-01 Thread Tom C
It looks like it'll take an act of congress to get one. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: I hadn't looked at this thread in a while.  Clearly the Pentax FF issue is far more complicated than I realized. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 12:11 AM, P. J. Alling

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-03-01 Thread Steven Desjardins
If that's true then Cotty's hat is safe. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like it'll take an act of congress to get one. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: I hadn't looked at this thread in a while.  Clearly the

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-28 Thread Steven Desjardins
I hadn't looked at this thread in a while. Clearly the Pentax FF issue is far more complicated than I realized. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 12:11 AM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/27/2010 12:50 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: P. J. Alling On 2/26/2010 9:54 PM, John Sessoms

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-28 Thread eckinator
2010/2/28 Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com: I hadn't looked at this thread in a while.  Clearly the Pentax FF issue is far more complicated than I realized. had to be there MARK!!! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-28 Thread John Sessoms
From: Steven Desjardins I hadn't looked at this thread in a while. Clearly the Pentax FF issue is far more complicated than I realized. Got to keep a close eye on threads or they're liable to just wander off anywhere. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-27 Thread John Sessoms
From: Doug Franklin On 2010-02-26 21:54, John Sessoms wrote: DC doesn't get representation in Congress, but they do have 3 electors; the number they would be entitled to IF DC was a state. IIRC, they also have a couple of non-voting members in the House, don't they? They might have,

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-27 Thread John Sessoms
From: P. J. Alling On 2/26/2010 9:54 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: P. J. Alling On 2/25/2010 8:30 PM, John Sessoms wrote: I'm pretty sure they do already get to vote for President, so there must be some way to count their electoral vote. For them it's a beauty contest vote. It

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-27 Thread P. J. Alling
On 2/27/2010 12:50 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: P. J. Alling On 2/26/2010 9:54 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: P. J. Alling On 2/25/2010 8:30 PM, John Sessoms wrote: I'm pretty sure they do already get to vote for President, so there must be some way to count their electoral vote.

RE: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-26 Thread Bob W
I think that many even here in Canada are frustrated that they can't get faster service if they pay for it (like you can in the US). That would, in the minds of many (including me!) undermine the idea of universality that's now the bedrock of our system. If one can pay to get to the

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-26 Thread eckinator
2010/2/26 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: Never work, in America we only have the right to arm bears. yeah... seeing that the right to USE them is probably not written down in the constitution why not amend it to say non-functional arms? ]=) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-26 Thread AlunFoto
2010/2/25 Miserere miser...@gmail.com: In any case, you're ready to write Pentax a cheque for a 645D, right? Oh, no. But I might start saving up. Will take me at least two years, if the price guesstimates are in the ballpark. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com --

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-26 Thread AlunFoto
2010/2/26 Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info: What is to discuss. You have it mostly correct. (God isn't dead; she is on an extended vacation in Andromeda.) It was for tax reasons, wasn't it? -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-26 Thread AlunFoto
2010/2/25 Miserere miser...@gmail.com: C'mon Jostein, you know what I'm talking about  :-)  On lenses intended for digital sensors the rear element (at least) is coated to minimise reflections coming off the sensor that could bounce back from the rear element to the sensor, causing a ghost

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-26 Thread eckinator
2010/2/26 AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com: (God isn't dead; she is on an extended vacation in Andromeda.) It was for tax reasons, wasn't it? no in fact there are big firm litigators out looking to red tape Her for climate being no longer in accordance with the terms of the lease -- PDML

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-26 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26/02/2010, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, and btw, I think there's nothing in the K-mount that beats 645 optics in lens stacking or bellows for extreme macro. Such arrangements bring out the worst in any lens combinations with regards to chromatic errors, but the 645 lenses

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-26 Thread AlunFoto
2010/2/26 Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com: On 26/02/2010, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, and btw, I think there's nothing in the K-mount that beats 645 optics in lens stacking or bellows for extreme macro. Such arrangements bring out the worst in any lens combinations with

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-26 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26/02/2010, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: Never tried any Voightländers... :-( I should have said current or past offerings from Pentax in K-mount, I guess. Because that's where my experience is. A hand held shot at f4.5 (original 2MP in camera jpg) c/o Christian

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-26 Thread Bob Sullivan
LOL... On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 1:21 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan Subject: Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame Are there people who live up there? Ok 54th state, the flag would look better with 54 stars.

RE: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-26 Thread John Sessoms
From: Bob W I think that many even here in Canada are frustrated that they can't get faster service if they pay for it (like you can in the US). That would, in the minds of many (including me!) undermine the idea of universality that's now the bedrock of our system. If one can pay to

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-26 Thread John Sessoms
From: AlunFoto 2010/2/26 Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info: What is to discuss. You have it mostly correct. (God isn't dead; she is on an extended vacation in Andromeda.) It was for tax reasons, wasn't it? Funny how the brain works sometimes. For years and years (and through

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-26 Thread P. J. Alling
On 2/26/2010 5:24 AM, AlunFoto wrote: 2010/2/25 Misereremiser...@gmail.com: In any case, you're ready to write Pentax a cheque for a 645D, right? Oh, no. But I might start saving up. Will take me at least two years, if the price guesstimates are in the ballpark. Don't expect

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-26 Thread P. J. Alling
On 2/26/2010 5:57 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 26/02/2010, AlunFotoalunf...@gmail.com wrote: Never tried any Voightländers... :-( I should have said current or past offerings from Pentax in K-mount, I guess. Because that's where my experience is. A hand held shot at f4.5 (original

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-26 Thread P. J. Alling
On 2/25/2010 7:39 PM, eckinator wrote: 2010/2/26 John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com: First of all, they'd have to be satisfied to start at #52, 'cause Puerto Rico's got dibs on #51. that's only 'cos of Ricky Martin - offer him citizenship instead =) Puorto Ricans have

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-26 Thread P. J. Alling
On 2/25/2010 8:30 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: steve harley On 2010-02-25 17:39 , eckinator wrote: that's only 'cos of Ricky Martin - offer him citizenship instead =) {chuckles} but note that Puerto Ricans are US Citizens; they just don't get a vote in the US Congress They don't get to

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-26 Thread John Sessoms
From: P. J. Alling On 2/25/2010 8:30 PM, John Sessoms wrote: I'm pretty sure they do already get to vote for President, so there must be some way to count their electoral vote. For them it's a beauty contest vote. It doesn't count they don't have representation in congress so they don;t

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-26 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-02-26 21:54, John Sessoms wrote: Persons born in the Northern Mariana Islands and American Samoa are U.S. Nationals, but are not U.S. Citizens. U.S. Nationals may reside and work in the United States. Hmmm. That's something I didn't know. Time for some more research. I wonder why

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-26 Thread P. J. Alling
On 2/26/2010 5:09 AM, eckinator wrote: 2010/2/26 P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com: Never work, in America we only have the right to arm bears. yeah... seeing that the right to USE them is probably not written down in the constitution why not amend it to say non-functional arms?

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-26 Thread P. J. Alling
On 2/26/2010 9:54 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: P. J. Alling On 2/25/2010 8:30 PM, John Sessoms wrote: I'm pretty sure they do already get to vote for President, so there must be some way to count their electoral vote. For them it's a beauty contest vote. It doesn't count they don't

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread Larry Colen
On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Adam Maas wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: David Savage wrote: Also you wouldn't have to contend with their stupid proprietary flash hot shoe :-) That's the biggest drawback. But it does have a PC socket and

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread Bob Sullivan
Peter, Paul, and BILL? On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:41 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame Boris wins the Grand Prize! A thread entitled On FF but without intent to start a flame has an

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread Adam Maas
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Adam Maas wrote: The flash shoe is the one thing Minolta got right 22 years ago and no other maker else has clued in on. A flash shoe with no exposed contacts, a simple pushbutton lock system

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread frank theriault
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Peter, Paul, and BILL? Mary recently passed on and they've been looking for a replacement. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Larry Colen Subject: Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame Huh? My X700 is much newer than 22 years old, and it has exposed contacts. It'll also use regular manual flashes, so maybe Minolta didn't put it on any of their SLRs that I own.

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread John Sessoms
From: frank theriault On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Boris wins the Grand Prize! A thread entitled On FF but without intent to start a flame has an additional 100 responses counting this one and no flames. No flames? We'll see about that: God is

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com Subject: Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Boris wins the Grand Prize! A thread entitled

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread Bob Sullivan
What the hell Ken. Be generous. Give them 3 states, 51st for the Frenchies, 52nd for Ontario, and 53rd for the west. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From:

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread Steven Desjardins
I think they show figure out the best star pattern for the flag and divide Canada accordingly. Preferably before the gold medal game. On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: What the hell Ken.  Be generous.  Give them 3 states, 51st for the Frenchies, 52nd

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: William Robb war...@gmail.com Subject: Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f you forgot to add Canada becomming the 51 st state ! At least then

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread Miserere
On 24 February 2010 03:14, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/2/24 Miserere miser...@gmail.com: Jostein, Does the rear element of that 35mm f/3.5 have digital coating? You mean fingerprints? :-) Seriously though, I have no idea. Please tell me what this thing is you're asking about,

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread frank theriault
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: you forgot to add Canada becomming the 51 st state ! ...we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread frank theriault
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: What the hell Ken.  Be generous.  Give them 3 states, 51st for the Frenchies, 52nd for Ontario, and 53rd for the west. Regards,  Bob S. You'll want the east coast, too. You can never have too many Maines... cheers,

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread frank theriault
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Yep. That's why in Detroit we have instances of the citizens of Windsor (you know the city south of Detroit) coming over to the states for their medical treatments, instead of waiting for it in Ca na da. I didn't bother

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread frank theriault
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:11 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: God is dead. No she isn't. She's just moved on to a new relationship. She says we can still be friends. Were She really omniscient, she'd know that ~never~ works... ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread Bob Sullivan
Are there people who live up there? Ok 54th state, the flag would look better with 54 stars. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4:57 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: What the hell Ken.  Be

RE: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread Bob W
Shouldn't it be a prime number? You know, one nation under God, indivisible? Are there people who live up there? Ok 54th state, the flag would look better with 54 stars. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4:57 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 25,

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread William Robb
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f you forgot to add Canada becomming the 51 st state ! At least then you'd all be getting decent health care... William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread Bob Sullivan
Frank, Another comment on Emergency Room treatment: My 25 year old daughter got a 2nd medication for a sinus infection. She had an adverse reaction, puffy face, rash, and trouble breathing. Living in downtown Chicago, she went to the nearby Northwestern Univ. ER. Lynn and I met her there for 4

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread David Savage
On 26 February 2010 06:55, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: you forgot to add Canada becomming the 51 st state ! ...we shall fight on the beaches I've seen Canadian beaches. They're not worth fighting

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread Bob Sullivan
Well, I suppose 53 is better. Maybe we could annex and make it Greater Maine. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Shouldn't it be a prime number? You know, one nation under God, indivisible? Are there people who live up there? Ok 54th state,

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread eckinator
2010/2/26 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com: Well, I suppose 53 is better.  Maybe we could annex and make it Greater Maine. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Shouldn't it be a prime number? You know, one nation under God, indivisible? Are

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread Ken Waller
Glad to hear it was only a case of gravity ! The waits I'm hearing about with Canadian medicine are mostly about elective surgery - knees, hips and things like that.\ BTW, as I sit here typing away, my pulse is 59 bpm. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread John Sessoms
From: Steven Desjardins I think they show figure out the best star pattern for the flag and divide Canada accordingly. Preferably before the gold medal game. On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: What the hell Ken. ?Be generous. ?Give them 3 states, 51st

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com Subject: Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: you forgot to add Canada becomming the

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread eckinator
2010/2/26 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: First of all, they'd have to be satisfied to start at #52, 'cause Puerto Rico's got dibs on #51. that's only 'cos of Ricky Martin - offer him citizenship instead =) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread steve harley
On 2010-02-25 17:39 , eckinator wrote: that's only 'cos of Ricky Martin - offer him citizenship instead =) {chuckles} but note that Puerto Ricans are US Citizens; they just don't get a vote in the US Congress -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread eckinator
2010/2/26 steve harley p...@paper-ape.com: {chuckles} but note that Puerto Ricans are US Citizens; they just don't get a vote in the US Congress GIVE RICKY A VOTE IN CONGRESS!!! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread frank theriault
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Glad to hear it was only a case of gravity ! The waits I'm hearing about with Canadian medicine are mostly about elective surgery - knees, hips and things like that.\ BTW, as I sit here typing away, my pulse is 59 bpm.

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread John Sessoms
From: frank theriault On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: you forgot to add Canada becomming the 51 st state ! ...we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com Subject: Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Glad to hear it was only a case of

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread John Sessoms
From: steve harley On 2010-02-25 17:39 , eckinator wrote: that's only 'cos of Ricky Martin - offer him citizenship instead =) {chuckles} but note that Puerto Ricans are US Citizens; they just don't get a vote in the US Congress They don't get to vote for Congress if they're still living

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread Graydon
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 06:17:53PM -0500, frank theriault scripsit: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:11 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: God is dead. No she isn't. She's just moved on to a new relationship. She says we can still be friends. Were She really omniscient, she'd

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread Bran Everseeking
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:55:52 -0500 Graydon o...@uniserve.com wrote: Were She really omniscient, she'd know that ~never~ works... Ah, but if She's omniscient, She can *make* it work. -- Graydon Dat would be Omnipotent -- Love is that condition in which the happiness of another person

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread Graydon
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 08:07:28PM -0600, Bran Everseeking scripsit: On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:55:52 -0500 Graydon o...@uniserve.com wrote: Were She really omniscient, she'd know that ~never~ works... Ah, but if She's omniscient, She can *make* it work. -- Graydon Dat would be

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread Stan Halpin
On Feb 24, 2010, at 11:02 PM, frank theriault wrote: I think all handguns should be banned, no exceptions. I think it's legitimate and morally right to consider abortion as a form of birth control. Obama's health care bill doesn't go nearly far enough. Screw bipartisanism, he should

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread Adam Maas
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 8:02 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I think that many even here in Canada are frustrated that they can't get faster service if they pay for it (like you can in the US).  That would, in the minds of many (including me!) undermine the idea of

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread P. J. Alling
On 2/25/2010 5:55 PM, frank theriault wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Ken Wallerkwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: you forgot to add Canada becomming the 51 st state ! ...we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-25 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan Subject: Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame Are there people who live up there? Ok 54th state, the flag would look better with 54 stars. http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/canadas-bitch.jpg William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread AlunFoto
2010/2/24 Miserere miser...@gmail.com: Jostein, Does the rear element of that 35mm f/3.5 have digital coating? You mean fingerprints? :-) Seriously though, I have no idea. Please tell me what this thing is you're asking about, and why it is the single factor discerning digital from

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread Larry Colen
On Feb 24, 2010, at 12:14 AM, AlunFoto wrote: 2010/2/24 Miserere miser...@gmail.com: Jostein, Does the rear element of that 35mm f/3.5 have digital coating? You mean fingerprints? :-) Seriously though, I have no idea. Please tell me what this thing is you're asking about, and why it is

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread AlunFoto
2010/2/24 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: Dichotomy again.  What Pentax does must be correct, while what they do not do is unnecessary, unneeded, or unwanted. Sorry, Tom, this is not to point at you personally, but your statement is exactly why I choose to call the 135 factor sensors Fool's Format

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread AlunFoto
2010/2/24 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: The differences that I've heard are that film has the different colors on different layers, where with digital you need all colors to focus in the same plane. I've also heard that digital sensors are more sensitive to the angle of incidence of the light

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread David Mann
On Feb 24, 2010, at 3:58 AM, Cotty wrote: Hmm - in a way the corporate geeks are worse - not only do they want value for money, they want it to look like they are getting all the icing on the cake. I am shooting web video productions and I could easily do it on my small solid-state HD camera.

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread eckinator
2010/2/24 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: Since the one I got ain't gettin' as much use as I think it should, why would I want another one? it opens up new alleys of creativity plus you can race yourself... I'd take one ]:) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread eckinator
2010/2/24 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: I sense a gender of our PDML has stopped following this thread. must be penis envy =P -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread Graydon
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 12:15:57AM -0500, Tom C scripsit: I almost never use the camera on my cell phone, granted it's about 3 years old. The camera on mine scarcely deserves the name, *but* in terms of money and manufacturing effort, it's cell phone cameras and a relatively small space marked

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread David Savage
As someone who is obviously compensating for a small pee pee, I think I should add my thoughts on the whole FF question. Yes I own a D700. Yes it's full frame. Did I buy it because it's full frame. No, not really. I bought it for several reasons. The main one being it's much publicised low noise

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread David Savage
Given the D700's (ie, the D3) it's price, that shouldn't be a surprise Should read: Given the D700's pedigree (ie, the D3) it's price, that shouldn't be a surprise On 24 February 2010 21:58, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: As someone who is obviously compensating for a small pee pee,

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread John Sessoms
From: Larry Colen On Feb 24, 2010, at 12:14 AM, AlunFoto wrote: 2010/2/24 Miserere miser...@gmail.com: Jostein, Does the rear element of that 35mm f/3.5 have digital coating? You mean fingerprints? :-) Seriously though, I have no idea. Please tell me what this thing is you're

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread Tom C
Hi Jostein, It's not a whine or a rant. It's something I've thought for years... that Pentax should/would have a full frame DSLR. Obviously Pentax thought so also at one point with the MZ-D, or whatever is was called, before cancellation due to sensor issues. As far as I can tell the only

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame And this is what any future Pentax FF DSLR has to live up too. It wouldn't be enough to just put a FF sensor in a camera with the K20D or K7 level of technology. Pentax would have to,

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread John Sessoms
Unfortunately, the common wisdom seems to be that if you can't make the photo with a Pentax you are a crap photographer who needs to gain more skills, or that epic fail of apologism, that being the Pentax sits several hundred dollars under the price of the competition, so the comparison isn't

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread Tom C
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:23 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately, the common wisdom seems to be that if you can't make the photo with a Pentax you are a crap photographer who needs to gain more skills, I'm a crap photographer who needs to gain more skills. or that epic

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread Tom C
Sentence, sentence, come follow me and step out this door. BANG! On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:21 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Unfortunately, the common wisdom seems to be that if you can't make the photo with a Pentax you are a crap photographer who needs to gain more skills,

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:23 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately, the common wisdom seems to be that if you can't make the photo with a Pentax you are a crap photographer who

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: John Sessoms Subject: Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame Unfortunately, the common wisdom seems to be that if you can't make the photo with a Pentax you are a crap photographer who needs to gain more skills, or that epic fail of apologism, that

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread Larry Colen
On Feb 24, 2010, at 7:50 AM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: John Sessoms Subject: Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame Unfortunately, the common wisdom seems to be that if you can't make the photo with a Pentax you are a crap photographer who needs to

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread Bob Sullivan
Yes, that's pretty sad. Is it mechanical or electronics that are failing? It would seem that the lens would have plenty of travel to sort things out mechanically. Is it weak electronics? I get better results with the DA60-250/4 at the short end with autofocus wide open than with most other

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan Subject: Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame Yes, that's pretty sad. Is it mechanical or electronics that are failing? It would seem that the lens would have plenty of travel to sort things out mechanically. Is it weak

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread paul stenquist
On Feb 24, 2010, at 2:02 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan Subject: Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame Yes, that's pretty sad. Is it mechanical or electronics that are failing? It would seem that the lens would have plenty of travel to

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread Bob Sullivan
Tom, Your comments strike a chord with me. I've owned Pentax gear since starting with an ME in 1978. By 1993, I had purchased several lenses (M's) but only my 3rd body, a PZ-1. That was 3 bodies in 15+ years and skipping multiple generations. Then came digital... I resisted until GFM and then

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame Are you using selective autofocus? I use a single point for focus exclusively. When shooting model, it goes on the eye of course. I haven't had any problem getting good focus with

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread Mark Roberts
I don't think it's so much a matter of Pentax moving up to full-frame as full-frame coming down to Pentax's current demographic. Right now the entry point for full-frame is $2000 (U.S.) but absolutely no one believes it's going to remain that high. What's interesting to me is the question of

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread pnstenquist
I generally use the far outside points to avoid having to reframe excessively. Works well for me. Paul - William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame Are you using selective

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread paul stenquist
On Feb 24, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: I don't think it's so much a matter of Pentax moving up to full-frame as full-frame coming down to Pentax's current demographic. Right now the entry point for full-frame is $2000 (U.S.) but absolutely no one believes it's going to remain that

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Subject: Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame I generally use the far outside points to avoid having to reframe excessively. Works well for me. The two outside points (the bars, not the squares) are almost never in the right position for me,

Re: On FF but without intent to start a flame

2010-02-24 Thread Mark Roberts
paul stenquist wrote: On Feb 24, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: I don't think it's so much a matter of Pentax moving up to full-frame as full-frame coming down to Pentax's current demographic. Right now the entry point for full-frame is $2000 (U.S.) but absolutely no one believes

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