Re: Shake Reduction Doesn't Work...

2006-12-17 Thread John Forbes
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 01:57:34 -, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/12/06, John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh God, another one. When you have used your camera for a couple of months, and fully understood how it works, then please report your problems. As it is,

Re: Shake Reduction Doesn't Work...

2006-12-16 Thread Peter Loveday
The sky is falling, the sky is falling! cried Chicken Little. or so goes the children's tale. I got tired of listening to all these 'nervious nellies'. I got tired of looking at movies of shaking sensors. I've got the sensor cleaner turned off, so I don't feel any shaking, or more

Re: Shake Reduction Doesn't Work...

2006-12-16 Thread Bob Sullivan
Peter, No personal attacks meant by my post. Watching the sensor move was illustrative. But I don't thnk it proved anything. My confidence in Shake Reduction was undermined by all this. I couldn't feel the camera DOING anything. That's why I did the test and made the side by side post. I can't

Re: Shake Reduction Doesn't Work...

2006-12-16 Thread Peter Loveday
really, in a good way. - Peter - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 10:53 PM Subject: Re: Shake Reduction Doesn't Work... Peter, No personal attacks meant by my post. Watching the sensor

Re: Shake Reduction Doesn't Work...

2006-12-16 Thread David Savage
I've never been able to feel SR working (except when doing the dust removal routine), but on long exposures I can sometimes hear it. I'm not surprised that you can't feel it given the SR systems lack of whirring/vibrating motors. I've taken some nice hand held shots with the FA 77 Ltd FA 100

Re: Shake Reduction Doesn't Work...

2006-12-16 Thread K.Takeshita
On 12/16/06 6:03 AM, Peter Loveday, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree it can (and does) do amazing things; my query was more whether mine was working reliably. I was simpy trying to determine if my camera may have a fault or not, I was not trying to attack the Pentax SR implementaion, or

Re: Shake Reduction Doesn't Work...

2006-12-16 Thread George Sinos
Bob - My opinion is that if it's working, you shouldn't be able to feel it. If you can feel it, it will be inducing it's own blur. If the sensor is counteracting your movement I would think it's motion would be imperceptible. My introduction to Pentax SR was with the A10 point and shoot. If

Re: Shake Reduction Doesn't Work...

2006-12-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Peter Loveday Subject: Re: Shake Reduction Doesn't Work... Your shot doesn't show me that my K10D doesn't have a fault; I can, in general, come to a similar result as you have... but I'm not always convinced it is working reliably. I find it easy

Re: Shake Reduction Doesn't Work...

2006-12-16 Thread Bob Sullivan
Thanks George, I've come to similar conclusions. The movement of the sensor has to be only fractions of a 1/1000th of an inch. Regards, Bob S. On 12/16/06, George Sinos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob - My opinion is that if it's working, you shouldn't be able to feel it. If you can feel it, it

Re: Shake Reduction Doesn't Work...

2006-12-16 Thread Mark Cassino
David Savage wrote: I've never been able to feel SR working (except when doing the dust removal routine), but on long exposures I can sometimes hear it. I'm not surprised that you can't feel it given the SR systems lack of whirring/vibrating motors. Here's a similar test:

Re: Shake Reduction Doesn't Work...

2006-12-16 Thread Jan van Wijk
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:28:02 -0500, Mark Cassino wrote: Here's a similar test: http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/media/sr_comp.jpg I have a few SR related test-shots in my gallery too, nothing fancy, see EXIF info below images: 1/6 sec with A* 200mm macro 1/40 sec with Sigma

Re: Shake Reduction Doesn't Work...

2006-12-16 Thread J and K Messervy
The sky is falling, the sky is falling! cried Chicken Little. or so goes the children's tale. I got tired of listening to all these 'nervious nellies'. I got tired of looking at movies of shaking sensors. I've got the sensor cleaner turned off, so I don't feel any shaking, or more

Re: Shake Reduction Doesn't Work...

2006-12-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
Rectification can be painful. Paul On Dec 16, 2006, at 6:24 PM, J and K Messervy wrote: The sky is falling, the sky is falling! cried Chicken Little. or so goes the children's tale. I got tired of listening to all these 'nervious nellies'. I got tired of looking at movies of shaking

Re: Shake Reduction Doesn't Work...

2006-12-16 Thread John Forbes
Oh God, another one. When you have used your camera for a couple of months, and fully understood how it works, then please report your problems. As it is, most problems reported so far have been by people who were doing something wrong. John On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 23:24:31 -, J and K

Re: Shake Reduction Doesn't Work...

2006-12-16 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 17/12/06, John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh God, another one. When you have used your camera for a couple of months, and fully understood how it works, then please report your problems. As it is, most problems reported so far have been by people who were doing something wrong. It

Re: Shake Reduction Doesn't Work...

2006-12-16 Thread Doug Franklin
Jan van Wijk wrote: I have a few SR related test-shots in my gallery too, nothing fancy, see EXIF info below images: I haven't done any side by side comparisons, but I'm finding that SR helps out down to around 1/6 to 1/4 second, but on shots longer than that, while it may be helping, it

Re: Shake Reduction Doesn't Work...

2006-12-16 Thread Bob Sullivan
James, My apologies. I hope your camera isn't broken, and you're just mis-interpreting your results. Regards, Bob S. On 12/16/06, J and K Messervy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The sky is falling, the sky is falling! cried Chicken Little. or so goes the children's tale. I got tired of

Re: Shake Reduction Doesn't Work...

2006-12-16 Thread J and K Messervy
I wouldn't know. :) James - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 11:12 AM Subject: Re: Shake Reduction Doesn't Work... Rectification can be painful. Paul On Dec 16, 2006, at 6:24 PM, J

Re: Shake Reduction Doesn't Work...

2006-12-16 Thread J and K Messervy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 2:27 PM Subject: Re: Shake Reduction Doesn't Work... James, My apologies. I hope your camera isn't broken, and you're just mis-interpreting your results. Regards, Bob S. On 12/16/06, J and K

Shake Reduction Doesn't Work...

2006-12-15 Thread Bob Sullivan
The sky is falling, the sky is falling! cried Chicken Little. or so goes the children's tale. I got tired of listening to all these 'nervious nellies'. I got tired of looking at movies of shaking sensors. I've got the sensor cleaner turned off, so I don't feel any shaking, or more specifically