I own over a dozen PENTAX KM lenses, all superb.
So if you like your superb KM lenses, then why should you change to
Canon??? I can't follow this argumentation. Can you use those lenses at
a 10D? No. But you can use them with a *istD. How much would it be to
buy comparable lenses for a 10D?
I own over a dozen PENTAX KM lenses, all superb.
I own 1 (ONE) A type or later lens . . .
This represents maybe ONE new lens in the last twenty years?
Unless you've bought a whole lot of other stuff, I don't think
that's the sort of customer that keeps a company in business.
Not that I've
Cripped Pentax lenses do not equal uncrippled
lenses from other mfgrs
If I cant use my pentax lenses the way they
were designed to be used, I would rather
sell them and go with the most modern
lensmount there is at this time, the canon
EOS. It was designed as AF, unlike pentax
and nikon,
Dear fellow members,
There has been no work in the 'Pit of HELL' for weeks. The 'sand' pages on
my website, in three languages, have had 6567 hits from the end of the first
week they were put up -- mid-June.
The website also elicited a call from MTV2 and a TV team came here to do a
five minute
-Original Message-
From: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:38 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Old lenses and *ist D
I own over a dozen PENTAX KM lenses, all superb.
I own 1 (ONE) A type or later lens . . .
This represents maybe ONE new
on 05.10.03 22:53, Brendan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cotty you ned to try a print on a 2200 with the 2
black inks :-)
Or some new HP printers, which can use cartridges with 3 shades of gray
inks. And ink have claimed durability of 73 years :-)
--
Best Regards
Sylwek
Now if you disengage the lens so that it stops down and then hit the
green button you get real aperture metering and automatic shutter
speed adjustment in manual mode?
Yes.
In Av mode, with the lens disengaged, the shutter speed change
automatically as you change the aperture on the lens.
In
on 05.10.03 4:45, Alan Chan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wow I think there will be a good chance it will be my 1st digital. But the
question is, How much? :-)
Perhaps not much. All prvious Lumix cameras weren't expensive despite
using Leica lenses... Unfortunately there were considered as the
Thanks to all who responded.
It seems like my original plan to
get an M 24-35 and an M 70-150 is
a good plan.
-Lon
Actually Frank, if it were as simple as that it would be easy you could
just ignore it. Guidelines for Bias Free Writing by Marilyn Schwartz,
Indiana University Press a book aimed at academics contains these helpful
tidbits.
1.) Scholars normally refer to individuals by their full or last
I own a Pentax 645. I own 5 lenses for that camera that I guess I could use
on the newer 645s. I would hate to get screwed (sorry M42 fans) if Pentax
came out with a digital 645 type camera that had an entirely different lens
mount.
Jim A.
From: Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To:
Hey Thanks Cotty!
Don't know how I got FZ instead of LC??
And I agree that until I hear about the viewfinder and focusing, as well as
other trivialities such as image quality and such, I'm not pulling out my
credit card...
Sure looks like good start, tho! Damn this is worse than trying to
I think Pentax built those old K/M lenses better than the new FA lenses.
It's ashame that one has to resort to tricks to use them on the *istD.
Right now I am wondering if my old 645 lenses would work on a new 645 body
that would support digital. Or would I have to go out and buy all new 645
Yes but Canon abandoned the FD mount for many
valid technical reasons. It was similar
to the way pentax abandoned the screwmount.
Pentax abandoning the K/M aperture sensor
has nothing to do with improvement of their
lenses or bodies. It is pure screwing
of their customers previous purchases
for
You couldn't have said it any better, J.C.
Jim A.
From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 01:36:27 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Old lenses and *ist D
Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 01:36:34 -0400
Lon wrote:
LW What does the rumour mill say about the next istD?
LW Will it use K/M lenses? Hell, I can wait
Of course there's always the possibility of a higher end *istd with
a corresponding price tag for full K/M compatibility. Maybe
something along the MZ-S approach.
But I
I agree with your observation Frantisek,
That viewfinder picture screams EVF! EVF!
Which would be bad, I bet...
Oh well, we'll see. And if that is the big problem maybe someone will make
a similar camera with a real viewfinder.
- THaller
Now that I am able to relax a bit I've solved a lighting problem and
dissected a tick to examine its guts to find out if it was carrying the
agent of Lyme disease -- one of our little dogs is sick and the tick came
from behind his ear. And I also made more crystal micrographs purely for
their
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, John Francis wrote:
Well, conspiracy demands the least bit of subtlety, hardly the
case here: Pentax is playing openly and cynically. They chose to
disable an existing control on perfectly usable lenses that had
everything in place to work as before.
So, what does Canon have to offer that might be a
reason to change?
IS USM.
If you need/wants quiet af and is on your long lenses,
that may justify a change.
8
I think that canon offers more high end lenses than
Pentax does and there are
I have added two new nature portraits a Cougar and Black and White wolves, if
anyone cares to take a look...They're part of a series I'm working on...
Vic
http://hometown.aol.ca/pentxuser/page15.html
Bad Argument. There is no reason to abandon
metered manual or AE on K/M just because it is
possible to sort of work around those losses.
I actually like full manual but digital is less
forgiving than neg. film with respect to exposure
and having AE with bracking is a huge plus
for digital IMHO.
So, what does Canon have to offer that might be a
reason to change?
IS USM.
If you need/wants quiet af and is on your long lenses,
that may justify a change.
Faster frame rates, better AF, biggest line of pro lenses.
By reputation the best mid-range teles and long teles on par
with anyone
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Yes they can, but you have to set aperture on the body
/Paul
From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MZ-6/ZX-L with FAJ lenses?
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 13:19:18 -0400
They cannot work in Av mode. There's no aperture ring on the lens.
Bill
I'm afraid I'm joining this thread very late and am going back to the
original OT thread.
A few years ago I worked about 20 miles from Prestwick Airport in bonnie
Scotland.
Sleeping in the office one morning, I was awoken by a horrendous noise that
was Concorde passing low and slow over the
Here's the b/w conversion action I use:
http://www.bigdayphoto.com/BWTERM.atn
tv
Here's a ? for the istD users:
How is the camera @ multi-threaded writing?
When I first picked up a 10D shot a quick batch of 6 images
the write light kept on flashing. The camera's OS (obviously
not Windows!) wrote the images in parallel from stored memory
instead of simply letting internal
In a mechanical camera I could see your point. If I'm spending the kind of
money
that this electronic marvel costs I damned well want to at least have the
option of
using my old lenses in some kind of metered mode. I'm not as bad off as
JCO, I do
own some FA/F lenses, they are few enough to
Maybe, maybe not.
At 09:13 AM 10/6/03 -0700, you wrote:
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
EVERY canon AF lens ever made will work on the EOS-10d if I understand
it correctly.
Nope, they just made a new lens esp for the 300D, that only works on
that camera. The 10D mirror would actually hit the optics on that lens.
Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If I'm spending the kind of money that this electronic marvel costs I
damned well want to at least have the option of using my old lenses in
some kind of metered mode.
You do have such an option: Meter wide open in manual, stop down to
shooting aperture
I´m not here either...
DagT
På mandag, 6. oktober 2003, kl. 18:16, Brendan:
NO of course your not
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Fortuntely I am S
/Paul
From: Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Test
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 13:01:23 -0400
Maybe, maybe not.
At 09:13 AM 10/6/03 -0700, you wrote:
Am I still on the list?
Oh, okay. I guess you qualify as a cub fan. Real south siders go north
only to pillage and burn. Never to watch baseball. vbg.
Paul
Ann Sanfedele wrote:
Paul Stenquist wrote:
Ann...
You were a South Sider. Shame on you :-)
Paul
Ann Sanfedele wrote:
No, only for a couple of years.
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(graywolf) wrote:
You may need a powered hub. Often that is the case when there is more
than one USB device per controller.
Thanks - that's just solved my problem with a Hama USB 2.0 Pocketdrive
6-in-1. I have Windows XP running on an Intel
On 6/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
I own over a dozen PENTAX KM lenses, all superb.
So if you like your superb KM lenses, then why should you change to
Canon??? I can't follow this argumentation. Can you use those lenses at
a 10D? No.
Mutley snigger
When my K50 1.2 is finished, I
AE with autobracket is what I want. No Go
with the K/M lenses
J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: Old lenses and *ist D
We should not be so dependent on built-in meters to take pictures. Use a
separate light meter or a backup body, or take a light meter reading
- Original Message -
From: Lon Williamson
Subject: Re: *ist D
It would probably be pretty easy to make a photoshop action
that spotted out hot pixels. I think I could whip one up
if I knew exactly which pixels were at fault.
Honestly. once one knows where the are, its pretty easy
Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Simon King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I thought I'd try my hand at one. This is from some stuff I shot last
weekend.
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7d302915a.jpg
Fantastic shot.
Details? Format/Lens/Exposure?
- Original Message -
From: Collin Brendemuehl
Subject: istD and threads
Here's a ? for the istD users:
How is the camera @ multi-threaded writing?
When I first picked up a 10D shot a quick batch of 6 images
the write light kept on flashing. The camera's OS (obviously
not
I feel that a system camera needs to have the capability of at least an 18mm full
frame to 400mm+. The + part isn't a problem with digitals but the wide angle part
used to be at least. An 18mm-whatever just doesn't cut it for me. See:
http://www.sigmaphoto.com/Html/12-24.htm
Available for
There may well be valid technical reasons for the loss of K mount
compatability with the new generation of cameras, or there may not be.
I'm not a camera technician, so I don't know.
I don't trust the opinions of people who are not camera technicians on the
subject, as they are, at best,
Hi,
Mark wrote:
rant
words
/rant
As you will see from the new address, my particular problems are mostly
solved. Unlike the correspondent, I don't have any great contempt for
the people at the sharp end. They seem to be doing their jobs as
competently as possible under the circumstances.
The
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(graywolf) wrote:
You may need a powered hub. Often that is the case when there is more
than one USB device per controller.
Thanks - that's just solved my problem with a Hama USB 2.0 Pocketdrive
6-in-1. I have Windows XP running on
Wow,
this also seems to be a full-frame lens, so it is the shortest wideangle
ever for a 35mm SLR.
122 degrees...
Up to now, it was the old 13mm f/5.6 Nikkor at 118 degrees...
I know, the Cosina rangefinder shooters already have this, but for an
SLR...!!!
Any information on the price?
Pricey, I
Cord was cleaning up had for $5 a little Argus 3d kit.
I'm going to load it with some bw see what the results are like.
It even comes with its own stereo-opticon-type device.
Anyone else have/use one of these?
--
--
Collin Brendemuehl
KC8TKA
Ron Santo deserves enshrinement in Cooperstown.
I think I've got one. Bought it at the Discovery Store in Baltimore several
years ago. All plastic with a kind of triangular shaped, detachable lens
hood between the mirrors. The viewer is folding plastic and can store a
few photos in it. Sound right? If it's the same one, yes, it's a fun
AI lenses are more than 25 years old.
What's real funny is that when Nikon stuck it to buyers with the N80 (the
earlier, couplingless models were entry level), every one here squealed with
delight. Now that Pentax has stuck the hot poker, where the sun never shines,
lots of fokls are going, it
I heard on some forum that it would be 850 Euro but that's probably just
speculations.
/Paul
From: Thomas Stach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New wide angle
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:40:41 +0200
Wow,
this also seems to be a full-frame lens,
Yes.
Electronic controls are the new standard.
That is a net gain.
For those wanting/needing this capability it's now present.
But something in the past was sacrificed.
They upgraded the entire mount to go AF. Something
was gained. Nothing is gained in Pentax abandoning
the K/M features.
--
Ok. I'll be simpler.
If you take 2 quick shots does it take twice as long
to write to the
CompactFlash?
Also, spend the money on fast CompactFlash.
You'll definitely appreciate the difference.
Even in more basic digitals it a good thing to do.
CRB
Way over my head, though the thing seems to
I think I started the hp rumor a while back, it was a
grey ink refill for their 3 colour carts. Tho the
epson 2200 does have a dual black ink set ( 7 carts in
the printer ) that works well.
--- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on 05.10.03
On 6 Oct 2003 at 12:46, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
Here's a ? for the istD users:
How is the camera @ multi-threaded writing?
When I first picked up a 10D shot a quick batch of 6 images
the write light kept on flashing. The camera's OS (obviously
not Windows!) wrote the images in parallel
X-rays can damage sensitive electronics, and the dose is cumulative, just
like with people and other living things. The entirely
electronic machines must be very new, most medical facilities around here
are still using film. (I live near Yale University and they
have a very well equipped
Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6 Oct 2003 at 18:26, Mark Roberts wrote:
Y'know, if some people put as much effort into working with the
limitations of the *ist-D as they do into whining, they'd be able to
take a lot of great photos - even with K and M lenses.
Pentax has just
On 6 Oct 2003 at 16:38, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
are you sure the lens is for full frame 35mm?
No one has ever even produced a prime let alone
a zoom for SLRs that goes that wide.
I'd love to see some optical tests on this baby :-)
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
On 6 Oct 2003 at 8:02, Thomas Haller wrote:
Sure looks like good start, tho! Damn this is worse than trying to decide
when to buy a computer! Every two months there's a much better one just
about to come out. Gee that C*n*n S45 looks sweet, no wait until the S50 is out
(hey it's black!).
On 6 Oct 2003 at 19:22, Mark Roberts wrote:
Even if you regard it as a slap (I don't), it's not a lot of people.
Very, *very* few, actually.
I did say a lot of us but yes you are right it probably very few people and
less photographers.
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
Are you sure you are hu? I hope the nice policeperson gives you a
ticket. Personkind has a ways to go before it becomes really intelligent.
Funny it is okay that a dog is a dog, and that a bitch is a dog. But not
that a man is a man, and a woman (opps sorry, woperson) is is a man.
To me the
I don't think the face/hood is detatchable, but the front has mirrors
and the film plane is curved -- v-e-r-y curved.
It has a pop-up flash reflector and takes 2 AA batteries.
I'm looking forward to trying it out.
Collin
At 19:04 2003.10.06 -0400, you wrote:
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:53:17 -0400
Careful, some of us here resemble that.
Mat Maessen wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1category=11717item=2953917449
ah, large negatives...
--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them
And I think the N65 also won't use them.
It wouldn't be a surprise if the same users of old
Nikon lenses are complaining in just the same manner
as we're hearing right here.
At 19:04 2003.10.06 -0400, you wrote:
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:07:52 +
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AI lenses are more than
The internet is like everyone owning their own newspaper. It is very
hard to shut them up. Glad you are getting positive results.
Dr E D F Williams wrote:
Dear fellow members,
There has been no work in the 'Pit of HELL' for weeks. The 'sand' pages on
my website, in three languages, have had
I wish I had that option over here, Bob.
After all my internet presence (graywolfphoto.com) only costs me $5.95 a
month. My connection (Charter Cable) costs me $53.47 a month. Since
everything I need including unlimited email addresses, 250mb webspace,
etc. is included in the hosting package I
Dont you guys see the problem with this? The more
a photographer has invested in and trusted Pentax,
the more they are getting screwed.
If your a newbie your fine, dedicated pentax fan,
your left out to dry...
J.C.
Thanks for the details, I thought it was a MF shot.
Did it strike you that the landscape resembles a human form?
BTW: This shot definitely confirmed the legendary quality of the Vivitar
Series 1 zoom:
...and I just went out and bought an SMC F 70-210.
Simon
-Original Message-
From:
Quite a few Nikons, going back to the early 90's wouldn't meter with MF
lenses. It's just that they were entry level bodies and nobody paid much
attention to them. For the most part people who were buying these things
were new buyers and didn't have any MF lenses. The N80/D100 have a much
larger
I just can't figure out why so many people have a problem with it!
Maybe someone can clue me in on this one.
cheers,
frank
You know the reason.
Marnie aka Doe You just want to think that the reason is not the reason.
I would guess that it is a backwards compatible cartridge that can fit
into the Bucky unit of any conventional X-ray machine and it would also
allow for use with portable X-ray machines.
graywolf wrote:
Hey Tom,
I just had a chest Xray today at the new (only a couple of months old)
imaging
The heading says it all, I am parting out my SF1 after my kids though it was
funny putting a scredriver into the shutter curtains and broke them. They
also scratched up the mirrors.
Anyway I have all the plastics (in good shape) except the battery grip
(sold).
Could anyone tell me if there is a
- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell
Subject: RE: Old lenses and *ist D
Stop making excuses for Pentax just because you bought one. You obviously
dont own or want to own and use many of the fine K/M lenses they
made or you wouldnt be so quick to accept this GLARING lack of
- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell
Subject: RE: New wide angle
are you sure the lens is for full frame 35mm?
No one has ever even produced a prime let alone
a zoom for SLRs that goes that wide.
It had better be, or the Minolta AF people are going to be unhappyG
William
- Original Message -
From: John Francis
Subject: Re: Old lenses and *ist D
A question for *ist-D owners: does exposure compensation work
with K/M lenses in manual mode? If so, then (provided you're
within three stops of wide open) you could use that to meter.
There is limited
- Original Message -
From: Collin Brendemuehl
Subject: Re: istD and threads
Ok. I'll be simpler.
If you take 2 quick shots does it take twice as long
to write to the
CompactFlash?
Yup. About 12 seconds per image.
The buffer fills at five, and a minute later the light goes out.
- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell
Subject: RE: Old lenses and *ist D
Dont you guys see the problem with this? The more
a photographer has invested in and trusted Pentax,
the more they are getting screwed.
If your a newbie your fine, dedicated pentax fan,
your left out
- Original Message -
From: Rob Studdert
Subject: Re: Old lenses and *ist D
On 6 Oct 2003 at 18:26, Mark Roberts wrote:
Y'know, if some people put as much effort into working with the
limitations of the *ist-D as they do into whining, they'd be able to
take a lot of great photos
This is truly classic, and cannot be improved upon. God Bless You on behalf
of abused customers everywhere.
At 08:59 AM 10/6/03 -0400, you wrote:
mike.wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have spent the last few weeks trying, unsuccessfully, as you will see
by the end of this missive, to get a
Those fine K/M lenses were designed to be supported by film cameras, so
really, you don't have anything to complain about with the lack of support
from the digital camera.
If they stop supporting the mount with film cameras, you might have
something legitimate to bitch about, but for now, by your
On 6 Oct 2003 at 12:30, tom wrote:
Here's the b/w conversion action I use:
http://www.bigdayphoto.com/BWTERM.atn
Hi tv,
What version of PS was that action created under? Opening under PS7 creates a
program error.
Cheers,
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT) +10
Buy all new lenses when all you needed was about a $10
part( in a $1500 camera) and a few lines of code?
Totally absurd. Should perfectly good ( in some ways
better) lenses KM lenses just be scrapped? I would think not.
Lenses are not like bodies. They dont wear out nearly as
fast. New bodies
On 6 Oct 2003 at 19:25, William Robb wrote:
How so Rob? How many of your K and M lenses did you buy brand new from an
authorized distributor?
I have somewhat over a dozen of the things myself, every one proudly bought used
for cheap. They don't owe me anything.
Well they've sold lenses to
price them. you can see at least two tiers and perhaps three, depending on
cost. higher cost==faster. if it doesn't say fast (translated into
marketspeak, of course), it isn't. i find the SanDisk Ultras are the best
bang for the buck in terms of speed/dollar at any given size point.
Herb
Could someone please provide me with the Pentax part # for the film back
with the pressure plate.
Thank you
Gavin Slabbert
I can now confirm that *ist Ds reached National Camera Exchange in
Minneapolis, MN. It sounds like a very small number actually arrived--the
local outlet got 1 or 2 which would suggest that the chain's 5 or so
locations got only about a half dozen total.
DJE
On the DP Review web site, they have a (now outdated) comparison/review of
the speed of various brands and speeds of digital film. The details are a
bit out of date, but the explanation of of the test, etc. is instructive.
Stan
on 10/06/03 5:56 PM, William Robb at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday, October 6, 2003, at 12:54 PM, J.C.O. wrote:
There may well be valid technical reasons for the loss of K mount
compatability with the new generation of cameras, or there may not be.
I'm not a camera technician, so I don't know.
I don't trust the opinions of people who are not camera
On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Collin R Brendemuehl wrote:
And I think the N65 also won't use them.
It wouldn't be a surprise if the same users of old
Nikon lenses are complaining in just the same manner
as we're hearing right here.
As a guy who uses Nikons professionally and Pentaxes for fun I can
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