Jon, list,
I also think, that taxonomy, classification, is a different dimension than modality. Of whichever class the object relation is, icon, index, or symbol, in any case the object is, regarding modality, of category 2, and consists of immediate (2.1), and dynamic (2.2) object. In the
may be truly signified.
Best,
Gary
Gary Richmond
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Communication Studies
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Thinking
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Supp: Sorry, in my argument I have forgotten a premiss, must write the first part again,
Gary Richmond
Philosophy and Critical Thinking
Communication Studies
LaGuardia College of the City University of New York
718 482-5690
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Supp: Sorry, in my argument I have forgotte
idt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt
On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 3:19 PM, Edwina Taborsky <tabor...@primus.ca> wrote:
Helmut, list
Sorry- but I don't see that when Peirce wrote about the degenerate modes, he also used the term 'form'.
He refers to 'two distinct grades of Secondness and thr
Sorry- but I don't see that when Peirce wrote about the degenerate modes, he also used the term 'form'.
He refers to 'two distinct grades of Secondness and three grades of Thirdness' [1.365] And refers to s 'degenerate sort' [1.365]
Edwina
On Thu 23/08/18 3:58 PM , "Helmut Raulien" h
nuine Secondness and degenerate Secondness - as I'm sure you know, these are the terms Peirce used to describe these categories. Nothing to do with a natural language understanding of the term 'degenerate'.
Edwina
On Thu 23/08/18 12:16 PM , "Helmut Raulien" h.raul...@g
Supp.: I think it is mole, not mule, small black animal, underminer...
Edwina, List,
you know, one of my favourite topics is that of the distinction between classification and composition (following Stanley N. Salthe). In this respect I have come to the conclusion, that degeneration
Edwina, List,
you know, one of my favourite topics is that of the distinction between classification and composition (following Stanley N. Salthe). In this respect I have come to the conclusion, that degeneration only is a matter of classification, like in the sign classes (I write
I" seems incorrect to me; rather, "S represents DO as IO" is closer to my understanding.
Regards,
Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA
Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman
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"S represents O as I" seems incorrect to me; rather, "S represents DO as IO" is closer to my understanding.
Regards,
Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA
Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman
www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/Jo
Jon, List,
To your point 2.: I think, a sign is a triadic relation, so a Y is ok, but it is a very special kind of triadic relation. I think:
-"S mediates between O and I" is too general, because it does not show that there is a difference between O and I.
-"S represents O to I" is
Supplement:
Don´t leave the list, lurkers, it is good stuff,
we are morating, don´t be Brahms-and-Liszt-off!
Gary, Edwina, List,
I dont want to break the moratorium, just propose something to think about, while it lasts:
-- Split the term "action" into "self-action" (e.g.
Gary, Edwina, List,
I dont want to break the moratorium, just propose something to think about, while it lasts:
-- Split the term "action" into "self-action" (e.g. "reflection"?), and "imposed action" or "other-action", or "effection". Maybe:
-- "Reflection" and "effection"?
--
List,
I guess, cognitive capacity of Homo erectus and Denisova can only be estimated by artifacts. I guess, from 700,000 years ago, only stone and bone artifacts are found, as wood, leather, and plant fibre rots, except in swamps, where it may be conservated. Conservating swamps, I guess, do
Gary, Edwina, List,
I guess the action of the individual interpreter is 2ns, and an action of a higher scale interpreter is 3ns. Be the action physical or mental. Unusual Example:
In the Brahman triad "Sat-Chit-Ananda" I guess "Sat" (existence, being) is 1ns, "Chit" (consciousness) is 2ns,
d. Near-death issues are unresolved. To make a blanket suggestion fakery online is determinative and negates the value of the Internet seems to me wrong. But the idea you propose is as real as rain.
amazon.com/author/stephenrose
On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Helmut Raulien <
est stance.
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On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 12:09 PM, Helmut Raulien <h.raul...@gmx.de> wrote:
Stephen, List,
but if validating means to have to wait for time to vindicate it all, I am too impatient for that. So I look for validation in (sup
e it is tolerant, democratic and helpful and these are three ontological action values that time will vindicate.
amazon.com/author/stephenrose
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Stephen, Stephen, List,
I think it would
transparent, and the violence of their Antifa reveals the mindboggling extent of their hypocrisy. History is repeating, and it is the Left that is at the center of it, fascism red in hammer and sickle.
sj
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Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 6:32 PM
To: tabor...
Eugene, List,
Thank you, Eugene! It is necessary to exactly distinguish, which parts of behaviour and intelligence are influenced by culture, and which not. One should not infer from differences regarding spatial orientation and awareness of specific environmental events (snakes, caimans) to
Edwina, Daniel, Stephen, List,
I agree with Edwina. I think there are social and altruistic instincts, but they may be destroyed by a rigid culture, and replaced with other instincts, which are "if-then"- routines, such as egocentric, tribal, and warrior instincts.
I think, that the nature of
. Myths are not factual, but mythologies are. The events of dreams are not real, but it is a fact in the waking world that the dreamer dreamed them. (Though admittedly not a fact that is open to much public investigation.)
Gary f.
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Sent: 6-Aug-18 15:22
Jon, List,
ok, but &q
in hermeneutics is to presuppose consistency unless and until it proves to be untenable to do so.
Regards,
Jon S.
On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 1:24 PM, Helmut Raulien <h.raul...@gmx.de> wrote:
Jon, List,
I just want to tell how I came to my view: To understand a theory
men with a mental Interpretant" (CP 2.274, EP 2:273; 1903).
Regards,
Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA
Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman
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On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 12:22 PM, Helmut Ra
And about replicas, types and tokens: What I wrote: " The IO (2.1.) is the part of the intension that is brought along with the sign." is all about that, I think, and I feel that to call every sign a replica is blowing the topic up and distorting it until it appears like a Platonic copycat
ignorant of what he's most assured,
His glassy essence."
But weak women and womanish men like those who mourn with them, and love them as true friends and sympathizers.
With best wishes,
Jerry R
On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 11:51 AM, Helmut Raulien <h.raul...@gmx.de> wrote:
d womanish men like those who mourn with them, and love them as true friends and sympathizers.
With best wishes,
Jerry R
On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 11:51 AM, Helmut Raulien <h.raul...@gmx.de> wrote:
Jerry, List,
I agree that it is puzzling.
1. The nature of the connection I see as th
,
Helmut
03. August 2018 um 23:51 Uhr
"Jerry LR Chandler"
List, Helmut:
On Aug 3, 2018, at 4:26 AM, Helmut Raulien <h.raul...@gmx.de> wrote:
List,
I think this topic is semiotically very relevant, and shows the connection between semiotics and systems theory, wi
List,
I think this topic is semiotically very relevant, and shows the connection between semiotics and systems theory, with us as systems. I think the simplest relations between two systems are hierarchies. With simpler life forms it is all about hierarchies, eating each other, etc. Humans being
ce-l, and rightly so, in my opinion. I see no cause for complaint that any of these different kinds of posts exist on peirce-l.
I hope that clarifies things a little.
Gary f.
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Cc: 'Peirce-L'
Subject: Aw: RE: [PEIRCE-L] RE: peer
Gary f, list,
I don´t see the essential difference between the two peer groups. Why is uttering opinions contradicting hypotheses testing? Opinions are hypotheses, arent they, and if one didn´t want them to be tested, there would be no sense in uttering them. Except for people who want to
Thank you, John! My confusion was (maybe still is, I dont know) based on Hume´s Is-Ought-Problem, and the discussions we had about the difference between reality and existence, from which I had got the impresssion, that reality would not be what is, but the effects produced, including goals. Also
ional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman
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On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Helmut Raulien <h.raul...@gmx.de> wrote:
Supp: I think, metaphysics are all assumed principles, and Kant has attempted (and succeded?
neer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman
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Supp: I think, metaphysics are all assumed principles, and Kant has attempted (and succeded?) to pull
d not using his terms in a correct manner'.
With regard to your adding a time concept, Helmut, I happen to agree. I use Koichiro Matsuno's analysis of the three modes of time, present, perfect and progressive [correlating with the three categories] - and consider that they fit in well wit
nt, perfect and progressive [correlating with the three categories] - and consider that they fit in well with the Peircean description of the categories.
Edwina
On Mon 23/07/18 3:02 PM , "Helmut Raulien" h.raul...@gmx.de sent:
List,
I must admit that my usage of the composition co
es of time, present, perfect and progressive [correlating with the three categories] - and consider that they fit in well with the Peircean description of the categories.
Edwina
On Mon 23/07/18 3:02 PM , "Helmut Raulien" h.raul...@gmx.de sent:
List,
I must admit that my usage of the
List,
I must admit that my usage of the composition concept is based on my own considerations, see www.signs-in-time.de . But I guess or hope, that my considerations are in accord with Peirce, they are based on the categories, though I have added a time-concept to the categories concept´s
Jon, Gary, list,
i think that the matters of dichotomy, rheme, proposition, argument, are matters of sign classification, while sign, object (immediate and dynamic), interpretant (I,D,F), are matters of a sign´s composition. Different matters are different topics not to be blended: You can
before you post it. That would make it easier for the rest of us to engage in dialogue with you.
Gary f.
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Sent: 30-Jun-18 16:07
Suppsuppsupp: Sorry, that this is becoming a monologue, this will be the last part of it.
Instead of "imag
Suppsuppsupp: Sorry, that this is becoming a monologue, this will be the last part of it.
Instead of "imaginary" in the initial post, I think, that "ideational" is better, and it is not limited to the immediate object, which contains only the ideas transported by the sign. The DO
Suppsupp: And between spatiotemporal and functional composition. Time is merely a matter of spatiotemporal composition. Functions are instants not taking time, having nothing to do with time. Bridging the gap takes time due to the spatiotemporal side of the gap. It looks like a sign
Supp.: So the epistemic gap, pansemiotically generalized, is the gap between existence (being) and reality, thing and its function, mattergy-world and phaneron.
List,
One way that would make sense to me would be: Determination as a time-taking process is the shaping (indicating by
List,
One way that would make sense to me would be: Determination as a time-taking process is the shaping (indicating by limiting) of an object by a subject. When this process is finished, the sign is there and denotes the object. The subject is a being, and the object is a wordly real
Jon, list,
I doubt that the object is the meaning of the sign. I think, that meaning is something having to do with the sign process that produces it (meaning) more and more. So perhaps it is rather the interpretant, but the interpretant mostly becomes a new sign, and as such contributes to it
Supplement: Though a term is just a rheme. I was thinking, how can be claimed that rhemes donot have an IO, as in my view all signs have all functional parts. My guess now is, that, as rhemes are neither true or false, there may be no big or no difference between the IO and the II. If this
List,
I was just thinking about the german term "Begriff". I think in English it is something between "concept" and "term", or both. It has an intension and an extension. Now my question: To compare it with the Peircean sign, might we say, that the immediate object is intension, and the
Sorry, Gary, not Gray! In the second entry he also writes: "In respect to its immediate object a sign may either be a sign of a quality, of an existent, or of a law." Does that not mean qualisign, sinsign, legisign?
Gray, list,
by having looked at the entries about the catchword
Gray, list,
by having looked at the entries about the catchword "immediate object" in Commens dictionary, I donot see a reason to believe that for Peirce rhemes donot have one. In one place he writes that "many signs" have one, but mostly he writes "signs", even "every sign" has an immediate
e H living there - and the newcomers? What then?
Edwina
On Thu 21/06/18 1:30 PM , "Helmut Raulien" h.raul...@gmx.de sent:
Supplement: I mean, imagine any image of a slave, and most likely it will be an image of a person producing food. About investment I recall a scene, ok, from a "
esn't mean it is genetic! Fire has been around for that long; it's not genetic.
Edwina
On Thu 21/06/18 12:05 PM , "Helmut Raulien" h.raul...@gmx.de sent:
Edwina, list,
I mostly agree with you, save that there is an automatism, like in what you wrote:
"Ag
ng; it's not genetic.
Edwina
On Thu 21/06/18 12:05 PM , "Helmut Raulien" h.raul...@gmx.de sent:
Edwina, list,
I mostly agree with you, save that there is an automatism, like in what you wrote:
"Again, the basic view is that 'whoever provides the sustenance and p
ctly - with our economic mode. That's just basic commonsense.
Edwina
On Wed 20/06/18 12:19 PM , "Helmut Raulien" h.raul...@gmx.de sent:
Edwina, list,
Thank you! I think it is very important, that H/G- societies donot have a leader, because we are genetically H/G. The short t
d 20/06/18 12:19 PM , "Helmut Raulien" h.raul...@gmx.de sent:
Edwina, list,
Thank you! I think it is very important, that H/G- societies donot have a leader, because we are genetically H/G. The short time afterwards has not yet relevantly shaped our DNA.
And most other mammals
evolution or advancement - but strictly - with our economic mode. That's just basic commonsense.
Edwina
On Wed 20/06/18 12:19 PM , "Helmut Raulien" h.raul...@gmx.de sent:
Edwina, list,
Thank you! I think it is very important, that H/G- societies donot have a leader, because we
ing killed as a sacrifice.
Edwina
On Tue 19/06/18 4:02 PM , "Helmut Raulien" h.raul...@gmx.de sent:
I have read, that the early hunter/gatherer communities were "acephal", they had no leader. The role of the medicine man or woman (shaman) in popular literature about shama
I have read, that the early hunter/gatherer communities were "acephal", they had no leader. The role of the medicine man or woman (shaman) in popular literature about shamans is often described of being rather a servant to the people than a leader, and that the shaman first didnt want to become
a higher element; for if by God be meant the Ens necessarium, that very hypothesis requires that such should be the case. But the point is that that sort of explanation leaves a mental explanation just as needful as before…
Hth,
Jerry R
On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 4:34 PM, Helmut Raulien <h.raul..
Hth,
Jerry R
On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 4:34 PM, Helmut Raulien <h.raul...@gmx.de> wrote:
Gary, list,
Thank you. I have looked up "common-sensism" at Commens, and in 1905 | Issues of Pragmaticism | EP 2:346-353; CP 5.439-452 (the first entry) he writes, that the indubitable (
he smallest conceivable dose of a higher element; for if by God be meant the Ens necessarium, that very hypothesis requires that such should be the case. But the point is that that sort of explanation leaves a mental explanation just as needful as before…
Hth,
Jerry R
On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 4
cessarium, that very hypothesis requires that such should be the case. But the point is that that sort of explanation leaves a mental explanation just as needful as before…
Hth,
Jerry R
On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 4:34 PM, Helmut Raulien <h.raul...@gmx.de> wrote:
Gary, list,
Thank you
Gary, list,
you wrote, that freedom of speech is vital, and without doubt. But on the other hand, shoah-denial, or showing the nazi-swastika symbol is prohibited in most european countries (which prohibition I think is good). So, perhaps the scrutiny-dogma you wrote about should be extended to
Gary, John, list,
I agree too, that
"It's better to lead by example: recommend what
people should do than make blanket prohibitions about what they
shouldn't do."
This formulation, though positive, however might be seen as not really avoiding the paradoxon of "don´t say: "don´t
List,
I am asking myself, how is inquiry blocked, and how not. In the empirism- thread I had asked:
"Anyways, do inquiry blocks follow a certain pattern, like, declaring one aspect of philosophy for the main one, and others for epiphenomena or even irrelevant ones?".
I think, this is one way
he does about science, metaphysics, and semiotics.
amazon.com/author/stephenrose
On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:39 AM, <kirst...@saunalahti.fi> wrote:
John,
Well put, indeed!
Kirsti M.
John F Sowa kirjoitti 3.6.2018 00:57:
On 6/2/2018 5:33 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote:
I vaguely recall
amazon.com/author/stephenrose
On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:39 AM, <kirst...@saunalahti.fi> wrote:
John,
Well put, indeed!
Kirsti M.
John F Sowa kirjoitti 3.6.2018 00:57:
On 6/2/2018 5:33 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote:
I vaguely recall that [Wittgenstein] said like: "About (t
3.6.2018 00:57:
On 6/2/2018 5:33 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote:
I vaguely recall that [Wittgenstein] said like: "About (this or that)
you must not speak"... I just remember that when I read it, I thought:
"No, you don´t tell me when to shut up".
That was from the his first book, th
pave the way for a philosophy that can, as Peirce seemed to wish, bridge the gap between the scientific and metaphysical. Your own sense of synthesis seems to want to accomplish that.
amazon.com/author/stephenrose
On Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 5:46 PM, Helmut Raulien <h.raul...@gmx.d
Best, helmut
, 02. Juni 2018 um 23:07 Uhr
: "John F Sowa"
wrote:
On 6/2/2018 3:45 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote:
> some of these dualities (e.g.: Nominalism/universalism,
> semantics/semiotics, linguistic turn/cognitive turn,
> empiricism/metaphysics) are not necessarily a
you cannot imagine, what you have not experienced, or whatever. I just remember that when I read it, I thought: "No, you don´t tell me when to shut up".
Best, helmut
, 02. Juni 2018 um 23:07 Uhr
: "John F Sowa"
wrote:
On 6/2/2018 3:45 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote:
> some of
Supplement: Maybe too, I suffer from disharmonyphopia, or am harmony-addicted, so always look for compatibility instead of contradiction. And I like Noam Chomsky.
John, list,
In the list I often sense, not only in your posts, a strong antipathy against certain philosophers and their
John, list,
In the list I often sense, not only in your posts, a strong antipathy against certain philosophers and their theories. On one hand I understand that, because I have felt something like that too, against Skinner and his behaviourism. Not to speak of Nietzsche, his resentful
Kirsti, list,
I also think, that "negation" is an interesting and urgent topic. Peirce´s graphs are maybe based on exclusion, but is exclusion the same as negation? And, is exclusion the opposite of inclusion (Venn?) And is negation of negation the same as affirmation? Many questions, of which I
amazon.com/author/stephenrose
On Sat, May 19, 2018 at 3:56 PM, Helmut Raulien <h.raul...@gmx.de> wrote:
Yes. Abduction and retroduction through wormholes. Peirce has been abducted too, is still alive (telomers reconstruction), and has developed quantum semiotics and
lto...@nd.edu>
Helmut, would that be ...
... alien ...
... abduction?
Gene Halton
On Thu, May 17, 2018, 2:16 PM Helmut Raulien <h.raul...@gmx.de> wrote:
List,
I am not up to date with the thread, but about the aliens topic to me it seems most likely, that there is a galacti
List,
I am not up to date with the thread, but about the aliens topic to me it seems most likely, that there is a galactic confederation, which has declared the earth for nature reserve. Visiting earth and giving us hints of aliens (sending signals) is prohibited. They only take discrete
nces. And, of course, Mind is not equivalent to consciousness.
That's how I see the difference between theism and Peirce's Mind.
Edwina
On Sun 13/05/18 12:14 PM , "Helmut Raulien" h.raul...@gmx.de sent:
Supplement: If what i wrote below is correct, then there is a pro
ess, while retroduction is something more: A guess that self-stabilizes and becomes homeostatic: A circular argument?
Best, Helmut
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then the deductive argument has some validity. But the deductive argument is not the one that matters to Peirce anyway, as far as I can see.
Gary f.
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http://gnusystems.ca/wp/ }{ Turning Signs gateway
deductive argument has some validity. But the deductive argument is not the one that matters to Peirce anyway, as far as I can see.
Gary f.
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From: Hel
Gary, Gary, list,
I understand that when it is about reality (of God), Peirce was a theist, and when it is about existence, not. Now i have a more general question about real versus existent:
Is it so, that for the proof of reality a circular argument is valid, but for the proof of existence it
Edwina, Gary, list,
I think the NA is a mixture of incomplete, perhaps circular, arguments, and a priori, similar to Anselm´s (though Anselm thought his argument was valid). To decide whether this mixture makes Peirce a theist or not is not easy, but I think that many others, who call themselves
relative."
Best, Helmut
03. Mai 2018 um 15:40 Uhr
"John F Sowa" <s...@bestweb.net>
wrote:
On 4/30/2018 2:50 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote:
> I think, that a memory of the past is not the same as the past itself
But that is true of everything.
Our experience of anything
Stephen, list,
I think, that a memory of the past is not the same as the past itself. I think, that firstness (quality, appearance) is a connection between past and present. 2ns is connection between present and future, and 3ns between past and future.
Best, Helmut
30. April 2018 um 16:22
John, Jerry, list,
I think, at this point we should take quantums- an relativity theories in regard, which of course Peirce didn´t know. According to them, I think, that discrete points do form a continuum, because they are blurred. Or something like that. Anyway, space and matter are functions
John, list,
You wrote:
"
HR
> graphs, as most mathematic symbol language too, does not symbolize
> time (continuity)? But: Might it not be possible to do that, by
> inventing symbols for time and its flow?
Scientists use the symbol 't' and predicates spelled T-I-M-E in
mathematics.
Supplement: I think, that fallibility is not a thing that applies to words language, but not to mathematical language. It just is something that applies to hypotheses (abductions). These you can express with both words and mathematical language. In mathematics they are assumptions not yet
John, Stephen, list,
John, you wrote:
"He considered graphs as more diagrammatic than any linear notation,
but graphs consist of discrete sets of nodes and arcs. That means
they can never be a perfect way of representing continuity. His
search for many variations of graphs indicates that he
e wind of lower velocity and a DI in the water of ripples.
Semiosis is dialogic, its whole nature is interaction, mediation and production of new 'instantiations' ...
Edwina
On Fri 13/04/18 12:09 PM , "Helmut Raulien" h.raul...@gmx.de sent:
Edwina, list,
I find your dialogue between D
the DO, DI or FI from the Sign; I just differentiate them in space and time.
After all - an interaction begins, so to speak, from a DO in dialogue with another DO. Two people interacting; or a bird and an insect. Both are, as interactive agents, operationally DOs.
Edwina
On Fri 13/04/18 11
Mike, Edwina, list,
I have worked out a different model. it is based on the three Peircean categories, and Stanley N. Salthe´s distinction between subsumption (which is the same or something closely related to classification), and composition. The result of it regarding the sign is, that the
rprets what someone said or did - and this re-presentation is deemed 'the Sign'.
So- again, our difficulties, I maintain, have nothing to do with Peirce. His insights permit both views - our difficulties are based on our own knowledge bases and agendas.
Edwina
On Tue 10/04/18 12:04 PM , "He
Edwina, Mike, list,
I too don´t see a versus there. Maybe that is because I see sign, object, interpretant as examples for 1ns, 2ns, 3ns. But I guess that this is a subject both fundamental and controversial like some others (e.g whether sign is the same as representamen or not, whether the DO
List, I think, for example, before we further analyze which determines which, e.g. the FI the DI or not, we should first get to a clearer definition of "determination", also by looking how it is used today in mathematics: deterministic chaos versus non-deterministic. Is determination non-causal,
Gary Richmond
Philosophy and Critical Thinking
Communication Studies
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On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 4:41 PM, Helmut Raulien <h.raul...@gmx.de> wrote:
Gary, list,
"Push-pull" is quite a c
Studies
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On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Helmut Raulien <h.raul...@gmx.de> wrote:
List,
Trying to make myself a concept of "determination", I am thinking: Is it a part of a dyadic interac
List,
Trying to make myself a concept of "determination", I am thinking: Is it a part of a dyadic interaction? And, if the three sign parts S,O,I have dyadic interactions, I guess these are results of a projective reduction, which is possible (Jon Awbrey), in contrast to a compositional (real)
tantiation' of habits.
Otherwise, thanks for understanding my outline!
Edwina
On Tue 03/04/18 1:08 PM , "Helmut Raulien" h.raul...@gmx.de sent:
Edwina, List,
Yes! That is exactly my view: What you called "internalized habits", I had called "individuation"
I like Frederik Stjernfeld´s post the most, because it is very general. Ugo Volli points out the relevance for sociology, and Winfried Nöth the problems that semiotic machines make. In contrast to Nöth´s post I very much dislike all the posts that speak about digitalism in an obedient, submissive
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