RE: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-05-05 Thread Gary Fuhrman
. From: Benjamin Udell [mailto:bud...@nyc.rr.com] Sent: 4-May-14 8:51 PM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science Gary F, Frankin, Jeff K, Jeffrey D, list, Actually I said that I didn't think that the method of opinion

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-05-04 Thread Frank Ransom
List, Reading through the posts, I've noticed that no one has mentioned the fifth method Peirce identified. Quoting from Liszka's *A General Introduction to the Semeiotic of Charles S. Peirce*: In this last case, authority must give way to the method of public opinion. In this method, the fixing

RE: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-05-04 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Professor Department of Philosophy NAU (o) 523-8354 From: Gary Richmond [gary.richm...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 1:06 PM To: Kasser,Jeff Cc: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

RE: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-05-04 Thread Gary Fuhrman
methods.” gary f. From: Frank Ransom [mailto:pragmaticist.lo...@gmail.com] Sent: 4-May-14 3:42 PM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Cc: Frank Ransom Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science List, Reading through the posts, I've noticed that no one has

RE: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-05-04 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
@list.iupui.edu Subject: RE: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science Thanks, Jeffrey. This is useful, and I think you and Smyth capture something important about Fixation. But I follow Short in thinking that Smyth's interpretation leaves out something essential

RE: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-05-02 Thread Catherine Legg
in inquiry I don't know. Cathy -Original Message- From: Kasser,Jeff [mailto:jeff.kas...@colostate.edu] Sent: Monday, 28 April 2014 4:40 a.m. Cc: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: RE: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science I agree with everything you say

[PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-05-02 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Welcome back, Cathy! Your classification of the four methods of fixing belief describes the A Priori Method as private, reasoned. But as Peirce describes it (EP1:118-19), it is no more private than the method of Authority; indeed it is more public, in that it recognizes a broader range of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-05-02 Thread Gary Richmond
Gary, Cathy, list, So, slightly modifying Cathy's list in consideration of Gary F's comments we get (and, personally, with an eye to introducing these methods to students): *Method of Tenacity: private, randomMethod of Authority: public, randomMethod of Consensus: public, reasonedMethod of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-05-02 Thread Phyllis Chiasson
Gary R. Gary F Cathy, Very nice. I'm saving this somewhere that i won't lose it. Phyllis Gary Richmond gary.richm...@gmail.com wrote: Gary, Cathy, list, So, slightly modifying Cathy's list in consideration of Gary F's comments we get (and, personally, with an eye to introducing these methods

RE: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-05-02 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Hi Mara, You've asked: What role did Peirce think that science (as he defined science) should play in the development of religious thought? I don't believe that Peirce tried to answer this question in How to Make Our Ideas Clear. We could look to the broader context of his other

Re: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-29 Thread Gary Richmond
: Gary Richmond [gary.richm...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 3:28 PM To: Kasser,Jeff Cc: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science Jeff, Jeffrey, List, I want to take a stab at your second question concerning

FW: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-27 Thread Kasser,Jeff
From: Kasser,Jeff Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 10:23 AM To: Jeffrey Brian Downard Subject: RE: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science Hi Jeffrey, et al. Roberts is certainly a nominalist about laws, though my former

RE: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-23 Thread Sungchul Ji
] Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 10:00 PM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: RE: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science Hi Jeffrey and other Peircers. Your question about the foundations of measurement is above my pay grade, I'm sorry to say. Do I remember

RE: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-23 Thread Michael DeLaurentis
: Sungchul Ji [mailto:s...@rci.rutgers.edu] Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 7:41 AM To: Jeffrey Brian Downard Cc: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: RE: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science Hi, Speaking about measurement, my students and I at Rutgers have found something

RE: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-22 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
From: Kasser,Jeff [jeff.kas...@colostate.edu] Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 10:00 PM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: RE: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science Hi Jeffrey and other Peircers. Your question about the foundations of measurement is above my

Re: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-21 Thread Gary Richmond
. From: Jeffrey Brian Downard [jeffrey.down...@nau.edu] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:14 PM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: RE: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science List, I'd like to ask another question about the topic of chapter 6

RE: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-20 Thread Kasser,Jeff
. From: Jeffrey Brian Downard [jeffrey.down...@nau.edu] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:14 PM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: RE: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science List, I'd like to ask another question about the topic of chapter 6

[PEIRCE-L] Re: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6. Philosophy of Science

2014-04-18 Thread Jon Awbrey
o~o~o~o~o~o Where number is irrelevant, regimented mathematical technique has hitherto tended to be lacking. Thus it is that the progress of natural science has depended so largely upon the discernment of measurable quantity of one sort or another.

RE: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-17 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
List, I'd like to ask another question about the topic of chapter 6. This question is not about the Fixation of Belief. Rather, it is about a part of the philosophy of science that does not figure prominently in Kees's discussion. In the first half of the 20th century, a methodological

Re: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-15 Thread Benjamin Udell
of Philosophy NAU (o) 523-8354 From: Benjamin Udell [bud...@nyc.rr.com] Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 8:46 AM To:peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science Jeffrey, Sam, Jeff K., list

Re: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-15 Thread Benjamin Udell
...@nyc.rr.com ] Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 8:46 AM To:peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science Jeffrey, Sam, Jeff K., list, - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on Reply List or Reply All to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L

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2014-04-15 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
predecessor in particular: Herder. Best Søren Fra: Jerry LR Chandler [mailto:jerry_lr_chand...@me.com] Sendt: 15. april 2014 04:30 Til: Benjamin Udell Cc: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Emne: Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

Re: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-14 Thread Benjamin Udell
8:46 AM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science Jeffrey, Sam, Jeff K., list, - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on Reply List or Reply All to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-14 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Ben, List On Apr 14, 2014, at 8:06 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote: He mentions Schleiermacher a few times in passing. Would you be so kind as to post the references to Schleiermacher? He played a critical role in the trio of students (with Schelling and a poet whose name I forget,) who moved

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-14 Thread Benjamin Udell
Jerry, list, I wonder whether there was more than one Schleiermacher. Or did Schleiermacher start out in theology? Or maybe Peirce was in some sort of error or insufficient information about Schleiermacher in the first quote below. Anyway, here are the results. In the third quote, Peirce

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-14 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Ben, List Thanks for citations. I will study them in some detail and from several perspectives. Very important to me. On Apr 14, 2014, at 9:10 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote: Or did Schleiermacher start out in theology? Yes, the three theology students studied at Tubingen together in the early

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-14 Thread Benjamin Udell
Jerry, list, Well, that's cleared up about Schleiermacher's pursuits. And the second quote needs to be read with a bit of care; it took me a re-reading to notice that Peirce didn't say that Schleiermacher treated a special metaphysics as prior to logic, in 'a vicious order of thought'; Peirce

Re: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-12 Thread John Collier
Thanks for your interesting comments. I just posted the link on a whim. At 08:45 PM 2014-04-11, Benjamin Udell wrote: Dear John, list, Thank you, John. That's an interesting article, I'm glad I read it. I'm reminded of a book about Tausk and Freud that I read when I was young; it was called

RE: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-12 Thread John Collier
...@usm.edu] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:03 PM To: Benjamin Udell; peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: RE: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science Ben, Jeff, Jeffrey, List, I appreciate Ben’s reconstruction and interpretive remarks ­ thanks. With regards

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-11 Thread Harold Orbach
Charles Morris was a performing magician in his youth -- Max Fisch brought this to my attention in 1983 when I was researching Morris's papers at the Peirce project. Morris has an elaborate album with his ad's and reports of his performances, etc. As his miserable editing of Mead's ms's show,

RE: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-11 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
, April 10, 2014 2:03 PM To: Benjamin Udell; peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: RE: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science Ben, Jeff, Jeffrey, List, I appreciate Ben’s reconstruction and interpretive remarks – thanks. With regards to Jeff’s question about

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-11 Thread Benjamin Udell
Harold, list, To be sure, I never heard of any magicians continually claiming that magicians generally have greater _/general/_ intelligence than their audiences. Well, currently, I don't know any magicians. On the other hand, the magician whom I knew was a 'magician's magician' famous (for

RE: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-11 Thread Kasser,Jeff
, April 10, 2014 2:03 PM To: Benjamin Udell; peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: RE: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science Ben, Jeff, Jeffrey, List, I appreciate Ben’s reconstruction and interpretive remarks – thanks. With regards to Jeff’s question about

[PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-07 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
List, In addition to joining Jeff K. in looking forward to the prospect of bouncing ideas off each other as we explore this chapter of the ’ Guide for the Perplexed, I’d like to start by saying that I found his introductory remarks about “The Fixation of Belief” clear and to the point. For

[PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-07 Thread Sam Bruton
. -- Sam -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Brian Downard [mailto:jeffrey.down...@nau.edu] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 2:12 PM Cc: Peirce List Subject: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science List, In addition to joining Jeff K. in looking forward to the prospect

[PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-07 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Message- From: Jeffrey Brian Downard [mailto:jeffrey.down...@nau.edu] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 2:12 PM Cc: Peirce List Subject: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science List, In addition to joining Jeff K. in looking forward to the prospect of bouncing ideas off each