RE: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-05-02 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Hi Mara, You've asked: "What role did Peirce think that science (as he defined science) should play in the development of religious thought?" I don't believe that Peirce tried to answer this question in "How to Make Our Ideas Clear." We could look to the broader context of his other writings-

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 11.5

2014-05-02 Thread Jon Awbrey
Post : Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 11.5 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/05/02/peirces-1870-logic-of-relatives-%e2%80%a2-comment-11-5/ Posted : May 2, 2014 at 5:00 pm Author : Jon Awbrey Peircers, Everyone knows that the right sort of diagram can be a great aid in rendering

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Chapter 7.2.1 The Proof of Pragmatism & Phenomenology

2014-05-02 Thread Mara Woods
Jeffrey, Thank you for the explanatory context; it helps to see the entire issue explained. The echo of the different methods of the fixation of belief here would suggests that the pragmatic maxim is applicable only to science because that's the only method that would require making such practical

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Chapter 7.2.2 Proof of Pragmatism & Semiotic (modest view + overarching view incl methodeutic)

2014-05-02 Thread Benjamin Udell
Jeremiah, Jeffrey D., list, Jeremiah's paper was ill-starred, it seems. Jeremiah supplied Joe Ransdell with a version that Joe put pretty much wholesale into html and posted at Arisbe. Some symbolic expressions were formatted in this or that font perhaps commonly installed in computers at the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Chapter 7.2.2 Proof of Pragmatism & Semiotic (modest view + overarching view incl methodeutic)

2014-05-02 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Thanks Phyllis - I think part of CSPs desire was to establish the scholastic elements of his thinking. But he may also have had a genuine desire to have his philosophy distinguished from pragmatism. If that is the case there might be some consideration of whether we should assume and honor that wis

RE: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-05-02 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Gary R., Gary F., Cathy, List Having pointed to an alternate basis for classifying the other methods for fixing belief, let me offer a comment on your suggestion. The methods of tenacity and authority need not be random. In fact, great effort in reasoning can be spent defending one's own beli

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Chapter 7.2.2 Proof of Pragmatism & Semiotic (modest view + overarching view incl methodeutic)

2014-05-02 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Jerry, List, I've read your paper, it is quite a rich reconstruction of the detailed steps of inference in the lectures--and of the overarching aim. Having said that, your reconstruction is rich with suggestions. As such, I'll study it more closely before offering any comments. Thanks for re

RE: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-05-02 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Cathy, List, Here is an alternate way of reading the argument in Fixation. Let us suppose that one of the main questions in Fixation is: "Why should I be logical?" If Peirce is drawing on the general strategy Kant employs in the second critique for answering the question "why should I be mo

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Chapter 7.2.2 Proof of Pragmatism & Semiotic (modest view + overarching view incl methodeutic)

2014-05-02 Thread Phyllis Chiasson
Good point, Stephen. Listers, Does anyone know whether Peirce referred to the name of this proof differently after he coined the word pragmaticism in his 1905 essay, What Pragmatism Is? Was he consistent in using pragmaticism rather than pragmatism after that time? Phyllis "Stephen C. Rose"

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Chapter 7.2.2 Proof of Pragmatism & Semiotic (modest view + overarching view incl methodeutic)

2014-05-02 Thread Phyllis Chiasson
Jeremiah, I would think that any proof of any hypothesis would require premissy-conclusiony type stuff, with testing in between those two and abduction/retroduction for formulating the hypothesis from which premises and explications of these flow. Otherwise all we'd have is deduction. I will re

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-05-02 Thread Phyllis Chiasson
Gary R. Gary F & Cathy, Very nice. I'm saving this somewhere that i won't lose it. Phyllis Gary Richmond wrote: >Gary, Cathy, list, > >So, slightly modifying Cathy's list in consideration of Gary F's comments >we get (and, personally, with an eye to introducing these methods to >students): > >

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-05-02 Thread Gary Richmond
Gary, Cathy, list, So, slightly modifying Cathy's list in consideration of Gary F's comments we get (and, personally, with an eye to introducing these methods to students): *Method of Tenacity: private, randomMethod of Authority: public, randomMethod of Consensus: public, reasonedMethod of Sci

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Chapter 7.2.2 Proof of Pragmatism & Semiotic (modest view + overarching view incl methodeutic)

2014-05-02 Thread Jeremiah McCarthy
Peirce-Listers: Peirce claimed that there was a proof of pragmatism in the 1903 “Lectures on Pragmatism.” For a detailed account of that proof, I would refer Peirce-Listers to Jeremiah McCarthy’s 1990 paper, “An Account of Peirce’s Proof of Pragmatism,” which is available at the Arisbe web sit

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Chapter 7.2.2 Proof of Pragmatism & Semiotic (modest view + overarching view incl methodeutic)

2014-05-02 Thread Stephen C. Rose
I wonder, if we are talking proof, whether we should not apply it to pragmaticism rather than pragmatism. CSP would not have coined the term had he not wished to underline a distinction. And I suspect it deserves to be used posthumously as the name he gave to his evolved philosophy. *@stephencrose

[PEIRCE-L] Chapter 7.2.2 Proof of Pragmatism & Semiotic (modest view + overarching view incl methodeutic)

2014-05-02 Thread Phyllis Chiasson
Mara & listers, Mara noted in an earlier post that she did not see a proof of pragmatism in Chapter 7. I hope she and others will pipe in on this. I especially wonder whether others consider the proving abduction necessary to proving pragmatism (or that proving one proves the other). Kees writ

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Chapter 7.2.1 The Proof of Pragmatism & Phenomenology

2014-05-02 Thread Matt Faunce
Jeffrey, List, Let me put it this way: Here are your two hypotheses: 1. The bread changes form without changing sensible effects. 2. The bread doesn’t change in form. What could possibly be the difference in one’s understanding of these? An answer “I don’t know” does not necessarily mean “noth

[PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-05-02 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Welcome back, Cathy! Your classification of the four methods of fixing belief describes the "A Priori Method" as "private, reasoned". But as Peirce describes it (EP1:118-19), it is no more "private" than the method of Authority; indeed it is more public, in that it recognizes a broader range of

RE: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-05-02 Thread Catherine Legg
Hi everyone, Having not been able to wrest open my peirce-l inbox for some time, I was able to peruse the chapter 6 thread pretty much in one reading last night. It was very nice to see the various themes unfold and develop before my eyes. Thank you Jeff K for your rich account of Peircean episte