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graphs and how they are related to the modal logics of the 21st C.
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> For any material I have not mentioned, please read the references. As I
> keep saying, you don't have to believe me. Just read the references. If
> you have questions about how those references are related to what Peirce
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IKL. That
project was funded from 2004 to 2006, and the reports were very impressive.
But Congress was in one of its wrangling moods about funding and threatened to
shut down everything. And research is the first thing that gets cut.
John
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on't have to
> believe anything I said. Just browse through the documents about IKRIS
> and IKL. That project was funded from 2004 to 2006, and the reports were
> very impressive. But Congress was in one of its wrangling moods about
> funding and threatened to shut down everything. An
24 at 3:04 AM Michael Shapiro
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> Gary,
>
> I think that using the participial form gives the correct notion of
> *process* involved in reaching the state of idealism.
>
> M.
>
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> Sent: Feb 25, 2024 12:17 AM
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t he needed to define a new version of modal logic. To deny
> that he was defining Delta graphs just does not make any sense of what he
> was writing.
>
> John
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ot;written in Holy scriptures" or "is much to
> be wished" is descriptive, but it's independent of the state of those
> worlds as possible, actual, or necessary.
>
> As more examples, look at the three ways of describing the diagrams in
> slide 31. To start, let's assume
Gary,
I think that using the participial form gives the correct notion of process
involved in reaching the state of idealism.
M.
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Michael,
What do you think of Ivo Ibri's
it is before the
common attention at one time and another part at another, and that actual
conventions between them equivalent to scribed graphs make some of those pieces
relate to one subject and part to another.
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o may conceive that the "phemic sheet"
> embraces many papers, so that one part of it is before the common attention
> at one time and another part at another, and that actual conventions
> between them equivalent to scribed graphs make some of those pieces relate
> to one subj
common attention at one time and another
part at another, and that actual conventions between them equivalent to
scribed graphs make some of those pieces relate to one subject and part
to another.
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rrespondence with Lady Welby broadened his views
> enormously. It led to his transition from phenomenology to phaneroscopy.
> It's important to compare his correspondence with her to what he was
> writing in the LNB and in other letters, MSS, and publications at the same
> dates. His views, hi
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There exist x and y, such that p(x) and q(y).
There exists x, such that p(x) and q(x).
There exist x and y, such that p(x) and q(y) and x is not equal to y.
John
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gaps between semiotics and semiology?
>
> Cheers
>
> Jerry
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modal logic, you can have it. Just
>> use the 'that' operator of 1898 or the Delta papers of 1911 to define the
>> 1903 modal graphs. In short, adopting the Delta graphs of 1911 does not
>> reject the modal logic of 1903, because every option of 1903 can be defined
>> in ter
x such that p(x).
> If there exists x, then p(x).
> There exist x and y, such that p(x) and q(y).
> There exists x, such that p(x) and q(x).
> There exist x and y, such that p(x) and q(y) and x is not equal to y.
>
> John
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n to write it in the article on
Delta graphs. And by the way, I wonder how you would explain the three
questions I asked: Why did Juliette wash and scrub the floor in Deceber? Why
were there papers on the floor? Why did Peirce slip on them in a very complex
way?
John
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ic logic
> -- that is also a consideration for my recent article about phaneroscopy.
>
> There is much more that could be said, and I plan to write it in the
> article on Delta graphs. And by the way, I wonder how you would explain
> the three questions I asked: Why did Juliette wash and s
wash and scrub the floor in Deceber? Why
were there papers on the floor? Why did Peirce slip on them in a very complex
way?
John
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he was writing about. As he
> turned to lay our another layer, he turned and slipped.
>
> John
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John, List:
Here is an exact quotation of what Peirce actually says in R L376 (letter to
Risteen) abo
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phemic sheet of a Delta graph consists of multiple
> “papers”, each of which represents a different time, aspect, or modality of
> some universe of discourse. Although Peirce did not specify the details of
> Delta graphs, a combination of features mentioned in several 1911
> manuscripts would
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John, List:
JFS: I am now writing the article on Delta Graphs. That is an example where
Peirce was on solid ground with his deep understanding of logic
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that was
developed in the 21st century (2006 to be exact). (
https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2024-02/msg00038.html)
JFS: I'm moving on to the the article on Delta graphs. I'll send a note
with a preview of that article later this week. (
https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2024-02/msg00104
gt; or intention that relates the first and second. QED (Quite Easily Done).
>
> John
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not rule out other reasonable human ways of thinking about,
talking about, and representing time and continuity.
John
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JFS: And there are six kinds of reference that a sign may have to its
interpretants. Each kind corresponds to one of the six basic question words
... In short, that is the distinction between Peirce's 1ns, 2ns, and 3ns.
The monadic relations of 1ns
though it seemed a
small fortune at the time).
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Best,
Gary
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with
on. That includes more information than was requested. In the other question, with the word 'why', the answer stated less information, and the person who asked would typically ask a follow-on question to get the reason why.
The possibility that the answer might not contain exactly the req
mine whether it is an instance of 1-ness, 2-ness, or 3-ness.
Those are two totally different activities. The test is not a method of
communication by means of sentences. It is a method for determining the
structure of a sign.
John
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e other question, with the word 'why', the answer stated
> less information, and the person who asked would typically ask a follow-on
> question to get the reason why.
>
> The possibility that the answer might not contain exactly the requested
> information is one reason why Helmut's
it the correct information.
John
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John, List:
It seems that we both made mistakes when addressing the e-mails
n the internet the mathematical proof, that a triad is
irreducible, but a four-ad is reducible?
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>
> Best, helmut
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am curious if you have a rationalization for QM that coheres
with CSP’s categories?
Cheers
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might have a kind of internal goal;
> (2) an analysis at a molecular level would show that external forces, not
> an internal goal of each atom would be sufficient to explain the formation
> of crystals. But bees, plants, and even bacteria have internal goals or
> purposes with
who may be interested: Can anybody find a genuine example of Thirdness that could not be the answer to a question that begins with the word "Why"?
Conversely, can anybody find an example of Thirdness that could not be used as an answer to a question that begins with the word 'Why'?
le of Thirdness that could not be the answer to a question that begins with the word "Why"?
Conversely, can anybody find an example of Thirdness that could not be used as an answer to a question that begins with the word 'Why'?
John
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e word "Why"?
Conversely, can anybody find an example of Thirdness that could not be used as
an answer to a question that begins with the word 'Why'?
John
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more penetrating than a sword?
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> a genuine example of Thirdness that could not be the answer to a question
> that begins with the word "Why"?
>
> Conversely, can anybody find an example of Thirdness that could not be
> used as an answer to a question that begins with the word 'Why'?
>
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another thread that DI
must come before II (
https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2024-02/msg00061.html), so the
resulting sequence conforms to the principle that the genuine correlate
(FI) logically determines the degenerate correlate (DI), which logically
determines the doubly degenerate correla
quot; in our hands:
>
> *I have gained an unfortunate reputation as a writer upon the algebra of
> logic. It is generally understood that I hold logical algebra to be the
> main part of logic. But that is quite a mistake. I am in the world but not
> of the world of formal logic.
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it with by far the most difficult of all the
>> conceptions which philosophers have ever thought out,--unless there were
>> something in their real being which endowed such an idea with a simplicity
>> which is certainly in the utmost contrast to its character in itself. B
r except that very same element itself. ...
> The extraordinary disposition of the human mind to think of everything
> under the difficult and almost incomprehensible form of a continuum can
> only be explained by supposing that each one of us is in his own real
> nature a continuum. (
dapt and evolve.
>
> Again - I consider that Peircean ‘continuity’ is not 3ns but is the
> continuous morphological semiosis formation of energy-into-matter - which is
> ongoing [ or else, as has been pointed out, entropy sneaks in]….
>
> Edwina
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ust be something in some sense like continuity. Now nothing
> can be like an element so peculiar except that very same element itself. ...
> The extraordinary disposition of the human mind to think of everything under
> the difficult and almost incomprehensible form of a continuum can onl
iruses don't have intentions, since they're not alive.
> They are signs that are interpreted by living things to produce more signs
> of the same kind.
>
> John
>
> --
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wn real nature a
continuum. (NEM 4:344-345, 1898)
Regards,
Jon
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Helmut, List:
According to Peirce, we discover (not invent) continuity in phaneroscopy--our co
of energy-into-matter - which is ongoing [ or
else, as has been pointed out, entropy sneaks in]….
Edwina
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ly; it is more a matter of
contextual interpretation.
What say the list?
Thanks!
Best, Mike
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in the idea, that we cannot get an idea of something that does
> not exist. I am not totally convinced anymore about the reality of
> continuum. The question seems quasi-theological to me.
>
> Best, Helmut
> *Gesendet:* Montag, 12. Februar 2024 um 20:57 Uhr
> *Von:* "Jon A
. I am not totally convinced anymore about the reality of continuum. The question seems quasi-theological to me.
Best, Helmut
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>
> Best, Helmut
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nuants and mathematical continuity? This remains one
> of the modern dilemmas in distinguishing quanta theories of science (QM)
> from continuous variables of physical semiotics (such as thermodynamics.)
>
> Looking forward to future developments of Jon’s unearthings.
>
> Che
So
>>> everything including thirdness is at first based on continuity, even if it
>>> requires discreteness. I think, that thirdness requires discreteness,
>>> because a relation as part of structure, and a habit too, can and has to be
>>> prescinded (or discriminated, or
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Von: "Edwina Taborsky"
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Helmut - I agree with your outline, where the three ca
, and a
habit too, can and has to be prescinded (or discriminated, or
dissociated) as something discrete from continuity, to logically
handle it.
Best, Helmut
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lly handle it.
>
> Best, Helmut
>
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> An: "Peirce-L"
> Cc: "Edwina Taborsky"
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> Semiotic Project)
> L
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List- I don’t see synergism as equivalent to Thirdness, for Thirdness is the establishment
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t;>> too literal restriction to human signs and perhaps even elevating semiosis
>>>> as a Peircean thesis first among others. I have found the universal
>>>> categories to be a more robust grounding to generalize to the entirety of
>>>> Nature and its manifes
ng others. I have found the universal
>> categories to be a more robust grounding to generalize to the entirety of
>> Nature and its manifestations.
>>
>> Best, Mike
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I have to pick with many scholars of semiosis is their too
>>> literal restriction to human signs and perhaps even elevating semiosis as a
>>> Peircean thesis first among others. I have found the universal categories
>>> to be a more robust grounding to generalize to the ent
; These are a focus of my current studies.
>>> One of the bones I have to pick with many scholars of semiosis is their too
>>> literal restriction to human signs and perhaps even elevating semiosis as a
>>> Peircean thesis first among others. I have found the universal categories
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> categories to be a more robust grounding to generalize to the entirety of
> Nature and its manifestations.
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> Best, Mike
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length that which was succinctly -- albeit abstractly -- posited in
that single sentence I just added emphasis to above. As usual, quotations and
examples proved extremely helpful.
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>> require human language, thought, and logic -- not human consciousness --
>> whatsoever.
>>
>> I'm not a biosemiotician -- although I find the field of considerable
>> interest -- and I know that you aren't either, Jon. But I'd be most
I find the field of considerable
> interest -- and I know that you aren't either, Jon. But I'd be most
> interested in what you or others on the List might think regarding the
> generalization of Peirce's furthest thinking as regards propositions into
> the natural world.
>
>
a sentence, the
>>>>> subjects that denote its objects are either descriptive names or
>>>>> designative pronouns or gestures, while the pure/continuous predicate
>>>>> that signifies its interpretant is often a copulant sign.
>>>>>
&
odied in the
>>> syntax of every tongue.
>>>
>>>
>>> Finally, the whole matter is tied up in your concluding paragraph which
>>> begins with this idea.
>>>
>>> JAS: Pure/continuous predicates are sometimes conveyed entirely by
>>> *
t;> which in natural languages tends to reflect "the flow of causation."
>>>
>>> In conclusion: Jon, I did not expect such a complete response to my
>>> request for an explication of this comment in your last post:
>>>
>>> JAS: The necessi
notable insights. It leads to the
>> recognition that *every name in a proposition is a subject that
>> indexically denotes one of its objects*, while *its syntax is the pure
>> predicate that iconically signifies its interpretant as the general form of
>> their logical relatio
emphasis I put in this
> quotation as a kind of "more iconic" diagram for the purpose of studying
> your post today. GR).
>
> Again, much appreciated. Thank you for taking the time and making the
> effort to explain at length that which was succinctly -- albeit abstractly
> --
of the names and lines,
> as well as any shaded areas for negation. Specifically, attributing
> concepts to individuals by attaching names to lines makes those individuals
> *more* definite and those concepts *more* determinate in the mind of an
> interpreter.
>
> Regards,
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