[peirce-l] [Fwd: Memorial: Arnold Shepperson]

2006-10-03 Thread Gary Richmond
List, I am forwarding information regarding a memorial for Arnold Shepperson. In addition, I have just heard from Keyan Tomaselli that rights to publish the Safundi article he co-authored with Arnold have been granted so that it may be placed on Arisbe. Links to other articles may also be pro

[peirce-l] Re: Peirce on personality, individualism and science

2006-10-02 Thread Gary Richmond
Gary, I would tend to agree with your analysis below, while I was especially responsive to your interpreting the Gita in terms of what is real (as opposed to actual), that it refers to types (not tokens)You wrote: GF:. . . . . . . . . . . . . In Peircean terms, the scripture must refer t

[peirce-l] Re: Death of Arnold Shepperson

2006-10-02 Thread Gary Richmond
ical aspect. I'm not familiar with Millikan's work, but will take a look at the chapter you mentioned. I too am "convinced that Arnold really was on to something" and would hope to try to grasp at least a little of where this "something" was headed Best, Gary At 0

[peirce-l] Re: What "fundamental psychological laws" is Peirce referring to?

2006-09-30 Thread Gary Richmond
Bill Bailey wrote: I think the appropriate thing for the list is for Gary F to elaborate on the close parallels he finds between Peirce's ideal of scientific method and the bodhisattva ideal of Mahayana Buddhism. As you point out, that is very much on topic. I thought perhaps that Gary had

[peirce-l] Re: What "fundamental psychological laws" is Peirce referring to?

2006-09-30 Thread Gary Richmond
Bill and Gary, Bill Bailey wrote: This is not the venue for debating the similarities and contrasts between traditional Occident and Orient. However, Gary's comment that he sees a close parallel to Peirce's ideal of scientific method (or of the motivation for it) in the bodhisattva ideal o

[peirce-l] Re: Death of Arnold Shepperson

2006-09-30 Thread Gary Richmond
the theories used in this paper, are too many to acknowledge individually. It goes without saying that my use of their contributions, and those of the named individuals and instiutions, is solely my own responsibility. Again, I am deeply saddened at the loss of this fine man and most ethical of Peir

[peirce-l] ICCS07 Call for Papers

2006-09-22 Thread Gary Richmond
Call for Papers ICCS'07 Conceptual Structures: Knowledge Architectures for Smart Applications 22 - 27 July, Sheffield Hallam University, Sheffield, United Kingdom http://www.iccs.info The 15th International Conference on Conceptual Structures (ICCS 2007) is the latest in a series of annual

[peirce-l] Diagrams: WoLLIC'2007 - Call for Papers

2006-09-18 Thread Gary Richmond
Call for Papers 14th Workshop on Logic, Language, Information and Computation (WoLLIC'2007) Rio de Janeiro, Brazil July 2-5, 2007 WoLLIC is an annual international forum on inter-dis

[peirce-l] Re: Pragmatic inquiry == "the love of learning"

2006-09-13 Thread Gary Richmond
Jim Piat wrote: Way cool graphic!   Glad you liked it. Here are a few others suitable to a philosophical list. And finally, a related perceptual matter. You've probably seen this before, but it's always somewhat amazing to me (does anyone have a theory as to w

[peirce-l] Re: Pragmatic inquiry == "the love of learning"

2006-09-13 Thread Gary Richmond
Darrel, list, You wrote: DS: It would seem my teaching of letters and words may not have had learning in my mind, hence; I am not a teacher. It seems to me that a parent entering into this kind of dialogue with his child certainly has learning "in his mind" at that moment (even if perhaps no

[peirce-l] Re: Pragmatic inquiry == "the love of learning"

2006-09-13 Thread Gary Richmond
I forgot to include the graphic. Here it is. Gary Richmond wrote: Arnold, Jim, list, I hope you won't mind my posting my response to your personal email, Arnold, as your comments seem most pertinent to the subject of the thread. [Note: off-list I sent Arnold a graphic image

[peirce-l] Re: Pragmatic inquiry == "the love of learning"

2006-09-13 Thread Gary Richmond
Arnold, Jim, list, I hope you won't mind my posting my response to your personal email, Arnold, as your comments seem most pertinent to the subject of the thread. [Note: off-list I sent Arnold a graphic image: the reflection of teaching as learning which is attached here and should appear at

[peirce-l] Re: Pragmatic inquiry == "the love of learning"

2006-09-11 Thread Gary Richmond
Arnold, Jim, List, Thanks for your good responses especially as there hasn't been much yet to my proposing an inquiry into pragmatic inquiry (perhaps I posted too many Peirce quotations?) But given the near central importance of inquiry to pragmatism (note for example that in Peirce's Classifi

[peirce-l] Re: Pragmatic inquiry == "the love of learning"

2006-09-08 Thread Gary Richmond
Dear Jim, I'm glad you liked my remarks, while I fully agree with yours. When authentic inquiry goes on in the classroom both teacher and students learn together and from each other. Best, Gary Jim Piat wrote: Dear Gary,   I like what you've said about teaching and learni

[peirce-l] Re: Pragmatic inquiry == "the love of learning"

2006-09-08 Thread Gary Richmond
Vinicius       Gary Richmond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: List, Preparing  for the new college term, and needing to think this Fall not just about my students' learning, but as I am developing & leading a faculty seminar as well  (titled "Buildi

[peirce-l] Pragmatic inquiry == "the love of learning"

2006-09-07 Thread Gary Richmond
List, Preparing  for the new college term, and needing to think this Fall not just about my students' learning, but as I am developing & leading a faculty seminar as well  (titled "Building Information Literacy in the Disciplines") I am compelled now to think also about learning in relation to

[peirce-l] Labor Day message on Intellectual Hope

2006-09-04 Thread Gary Richmond
List, <> I couldn't help but think of Peirce's comments on  intellectual hope in relation to the "social impulse" as I read in this letter in The New York Times today that "Unsettling as it might be, the future is unpredictable, and surprises are inevitable. Hope [as opposed to optimism] is a

[peirce-l] Re: The "composite photograph" metaphor

2006-08-28 Thread Gary Richmond
Charles, list,   One of the Peirce quotations in your "as if" post strongly supports your notion, reiterated here, that it is possible and, indeed, desirable to make a double trichotomic distinction of Sign - External Object - Interpreter and Sign - Immediate Object - Interpretant, and that

[peirce-l] Re: The "composite photograph" metaphor

2006-08-21 Thread Gary Richmond
Benjamin Udell wrote: In any case, you've made an assertion, not an argument, and I've made arguments, including many on this thread. Rather than improvising a rehash of them to a very general assertion, I refer you to them. Your arguments which seem apodictic to you have not ever made much

[peirce-l] Re: The "composite photograph" metaphor

2006-08-21 Thread Gary Richmond
Benjamin Udell wrote: Object and signs are roles. They are logical roles, and their distinction is a logical distinction As I see it,  it's not that simple because of the dynamical object, the fact of inter-communication as well as internal inference, etc. Charles may m

[peirce-l] Re: The "composite photograph" metaphor

2006-08-20 Thread Gary Richmond
Here's my take (reflecting Charles' 2  semiosical triads diagrammed in relation to each other)-- outer semiosical triad:  .   .  inner semiosical triad: .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   . sign sign:   .    .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .  |> interpretant |> interpreter .   .   .  

[peirce-l] Re: Doctoral Defense

2006-08-13 Thread Gary Richmond
Dear Vinicius, As you know I've followed the progress of your work for several years now, especially your diagrams classifying the 66 signs. It is impossible, but I wish I could be in Brazil to be present at your defense, to join you and your extraordinary committee and other notable attendees

[peirce-l] Re: The "composite photograph" metaphor

2006-08-12 Thread Gary Richmond
Ben, Joe, Jim, list, Ben, not having gotten your argument for a putative necessary fourth semeiotic element earlier--and I've certainly tried--your most recent comments have also not helped me get any closer to what you apparently find near-obvious, or at least "simple." You write: [BU] It

[peirce-l] Re: The "composite photograph" metaphor

2006-08-08 Thread Gary Richmond
Ben, Joe, Jim, List Benjamin Udell wrote: I don't see how the logically determinational role of such recognition [as represented by a fourth proxy element] can be arguably denied and so I will stop trying to so argue. But I don't see it. Let me at least give an attempt at a

[peirce-l] The "composite photograph" metaphor

2006-07-31 Thread Gary Richmond
Joe, Ben, Jim, List, I've begun to reread and in some cases read for the first time Christopher Hookway's papers as he is to be an invited speaker at ICCS07 at Sheffield University where he is a member of the faculty. There's an interesting and valuable paper of his in the Winter/Spring 2002 T

[peirce-l] Re: MS 399.663f On the sign as surrogate

2006-07-27 Thread Gary Richmond
Joe, Ben, list, Joseph Ransdell wrote: I hope Stjernfelt's paper is made generally available soon. He has an important paper in Transactions of the Peirce Society 36 (Summer 2000) called "Diagrams as Centerpiece of a Peircean Epistemology". Stjernfelt's paper,"Two Iconicity Notions in P

[peirce-l] Re: MS 399.663f On the sign as surrogate

2006-07-26 Thread Gary Richmond
Ben, You wrote: [Ben Udell] I had the impression that Peirce says somewhere that _every_ sign is a surrogate for its object, but I can't find it. It might be useful for somebody to do a search on the CD-ROM edition for the word "surrogate." In ordinary English, one could say that insofar a

[peirce-l] Re: Trikonic diagram observation of Peirce's 10 Sign Classes

2006-06-30 Thread Gary Richmond
Dear Luis and List, Sorry. I thought this was an off-list post. Gary Gary Richmond wrote: Dear Luis, Thanks for your comments. While the discussion was taking place on Peirce-l I half thought you'd post something (I could have used your help!) But now I see you were away d

[peirce-l] Re: Trikonic diagram observation of Peirce's 10 Sign Classes

2006-06-30 Thread Gary Richmond
Dear Luis, Thanks for your comments. While the discussion was taking place on Peirce-l I half thought you'd post something (I could have used your help!) But now I see you were away during the exchange. I think Jean-Marc Orliaguet likes to "debate" while I prefer to "inquire," and I don't thin

[peirce-l] Re: First, second, third, etc.

2006-06-26 Thread Gary Richmond
that which might benefit the good cause, lead us to success in such matters. It may be that we will fail, but at least we will have tried in good faith and camaraderie. Best, Gary   Best wishes, Jim Piat - Original Message - From: Gary Richmond To: Pei

[peirce-l] Re: First, second, third, etc.

2006-06-26 Thread Gary Richmond
Jim, Thanks for your lovely notes. But what in the hell does this mean? PS  -- it's a third you damn blockhead!    Best, Gary Jim Piat wrote: Dear Gary.   Thanks for your generous and kind words.   You inspire me to try to follow your example of courage and good will.

[peirce-l] Re: First, second, third, etc.

2006-06-26 Thread Gary Richmond
Jean-Marc, List, I suppose that one is permitted one additional word after he has granted his opponent the *last word* in a matter, but only if he might want to confirm something his interlocutor has said and where he has come to see that he was wrong. Jean-Marc wrote: my comments have been no

[peirce-l] Re: First, second, third, etc.

2006-06-25 Thread Gary Richmond
I will let you have the last word. Stay calm. JO: I am perfectly calm. --- Message from peirce-l forum to subscriber archive@mail-archive.com

[peirce-l] Re: First, second, third, etc.

2006-06-25 Thread Gary Richmond
I am appalled at the fact that one can confuse these two aspects, it reveals a complete misunderstanding of Peirce's categories. You' are "appalled" at certain scholars' "complete misunderstanding of  Peirce's categories." That is to say, you have closed your mind to anything but your own dec

[peirce-l] Re: A sign as First or third...

2006-06-24 Thread Gary Richmond
hing that connects three things into one) No, I meant trichotomic as Peirce uses it in such works as Trichotomic and A Guess at the Riddle. I mean it exactly as Peirce uses it. Jean-Marc, as did Ben earlier, I feel the game is over. But thank you again for helping to provide the opportunity to thi

[peirce-l] Re: A sign as First or third...

2006-06-24 Thread Gary Richmond
involved, that one or another can mediate the others?   -----Original Message- From: Gary Richmond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 3:29 PM To: Peirce Discussion Forum Subject: [peirce-l] Re: A sign as First or third...   Jim,  List, I've been enj

[peirce-l] Re: A sign as First or third...

2006-06-24 Thread Gary Richmond
s far as I can tell--and even if he sees the categorial matter somewhat differently, order does matter for both of us). Gary Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: Gary Richmond wrote: Jean-Marc, You wrote: 1) we have the terms 'second', 'third' (without capi

[peirce-l] Re: A sign as First or third...

2006-06-24 Thread Gary Richmond
sition put forth by Jean-Marc.   Could it be that Peirce's classifications of signs accommodates (my word for the day) both points of view? No, I reject Jean-Marc's analysis for the most part for the reasons I offer below. Jean-Marc wrote: Gary Richmond wrote: ...btw, do you or any

[peirce-l] Re: A sign as First or third...

2006-06-24 Thread Gary Richmond
Jean-Marc, You wrote: 1) we have the terms 'second', 'third' (without capital letter) without referent. The text which originally prompted this discussion is: 1. 274. A Sign, or Representamen, is a First which stands in such a genuine triadic relation to a Second, called its Object, as to be

[peirce-l] Re: A sign as First or third...

2006-06-24 Thread Gary Richmond
Jim, Claudio, Ben, List, Jim I too have benefited from Cluadio's musings, and while I don't necessarily agree with all his conclusions, I think he makes many important points  in consideration of his juxtaposing two quotations which seem at first blush contradictory. 1. "A _Sign_, or _Repr

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-23 Thread Gary Richmond
us importance for thought that I attribute to them, and it would seem that no division of theories of metaphysics could surpass in importance a division based upon the consideration of what ones of the three categories each of different metaphysical systems have fully admitted as real constituents o

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-23 Thread Gary Richmond
Jim, Ben, List, Jim Piat wrote: Yes, but Peirce also wrote (chapter 20 Trichotomic of The Essential Peirce Vol 1 page 281  line two of paragraph two)  that  "A sign is a third mediating between the mind addressed and the object represented". So I find this confusing. There are so many

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-22 Thread Gary Richmond
Ben,  list, It seems to me that you are quite right about the "distinctly un-English" use of the ordinals 'First', 'Second' and 'Third' by Peirce in the passages being considered. Capitalization is used for 'terms defined' as he writes, for example, at the beginning of the NA and elsewhere

[peirce-l] Trikonic diagram observation of Peirce's 10 Sign Classes

2006-06-21 Thread Gary Richmond
;s and my own, for example) would be considered. Peirce suggested once that a categorial analysis could never be 'wrong' because it only tried to offer hints and suggestions which might prove valuable. And this is all I'm offering in the present analysis--what I hope may be helpful "hints & suggestions."   Gary Richmond --- Message from peirce-l forum to subscriber archive@mail-archive.com

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign - help!

2006-06-19 Thread Gary Richmond
Jerry, Here's the 'classic' presentation of qualisign, sinsign, legisign (why they are given in the order of the subject of the thread I don't know, but the categorial order I just gave them in is as to their firstness, secondness, and thirdness). In any event, this is the order in which Pe

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-19 Thread Gary Richmond
Luis, Jean Marc, Ben, List, It would probably at this point be valuable for those who are not familiar with Marty's work (and who are not fluent in French as I certainly am not) to at least take a look at the Summary in English of his Foliated Semantic Networks: Concepts, Facts, Qualities post

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-18 Thread Gary Richmond
Ben, Joe, list, I would highly recommend for those interested in further exploring the themes of this discussion--and, yes, thanks very much to Joe, Ben and others for providing such a wealth of valuable information, diagrams, etc.--the fourth chapter of Luis Merkle's dissertation to which he

[peirce-l] Re: representing the ten classes of signs (corrected)

2006-06-16 Thread Gary Richmond
Joseph Ransdell wrote: Now, I believe he reads them in [the order "rhematic iconic qualisign"] because it is more awkward in English to say them in the other order. That is, it is natural to say, for example, "rhematic indexical legisign" but very forced and awkward to say "legisignal index

[peirce-l] Re: Generator of lattices

2006-06-15 Thread Gary Richmond
Dennis Leri wrote: Joe, It may depend on your browser. Firefox and Internet Explorer opened it while Safari didn't. Netscape didn't open it either. Gary Dennis Leri On Thursday, June 15, 2006, at 11:06 AM, Joseph Ransdell wrote: I pushed every button I could find and nothing happene

[peirce-l] Call for Participation: CS Tools Interoperability Workshop, ICCS, Aalborg, Sunday July 16

2006-06-14 Thread Gary Richmond
Workshop. The workshop will start with a most interesting philosophical perspective on interoperability delivered by our keynote speaker, Gary Richmond, City University of New York. After that, 8 papers will be presented by representatives of groups that are confronted with a wide range

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-13 Thread Gary Richmond
Ben, list, You wrote: Actually, the way I in which I checked was by literally flipping Robert Marty's diagram around in PowerPoint That is to say, by diagram manipulation and observation leading to fresh insight, an abduction regarding relations--exactly what Peirce sees as the value of diagra

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-13 Thread Gary Richmond
responding, please remember to delete all unneeded graphics & text.)   Gary Richmond wrote, > (one I believe he hasn't posted yet, but which I hope he will, shows a possible correspondence between Robert's lattice structure...   The graphic which I already posted (and

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-13 Thread Gary Richmond
Joe, list, I want to correct something in my last post which could cause confusion. I wrote: That Peirce apparently included this triangular on the back of a letter which included a very tentative presentation of his very different 10 trichotomies of signs has I think resulted in confusing tha

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-13 Thread Gary Richmond
Joe, By now you've read my corrected and completed post so that I hope some of what you asked is addressed in that corrected post. Just a point or so more for now. You wrote: Would you mind reposting the diagram you refer to below? It is my trikonic diagram of the 10 classes of signs whi

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-13 Thread Gary Richmond
Claudio, Ben, Robert, Bernard, Joe, list, First, sorry for sending out that last incomplete message by mistake. Claudio, so good to see you on the list again. I too am pleased to see all the diagrammatic discussion and especially some of Ben's abductions relating diagrams (for example the one

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-13 Thread Gary Richmond
Claudio, Ben, Robert, Bernard, Joe, list, Claudio, so goo to see you on list. I too am pleased to see all the diagrammatic discussion and especially some of Ben's abductions relating diagrams (one I believe he hasn't posted yet, but which I hope he will, shows a possible correspondence between

[peirce-l] Re: No mental eyes of erst e'er hads't thou shone

2006-06-11 Thread Gary Richmond
get to the poem, let me know. Gary -Original Message----- From: Gary Richmond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sun 6/11/2006 10:18 PM To: Peirce Discussion Forum Cc: Subject: [peirce-l] Re: No mental eyes of erst e'er hads't thou shone Neal, Thanks for suggesting that there mig

[peirce-l] Re: No mental eyes of erst e'er hads't thou shone

2006-06-11 Thread Gary Richmond
Neal, Thanks for suggesting that there might be a relationship between these two texts. Neal Bruss wrote: Any poem that Peirce wrote does warrant an interpretive paraphrase. With that, one might seek relationships with two poetic texts that Peirce quotes often, "Of thine eye I am eyebeam

[peirce-l] Re: No mental eyes of erst e'er hads't thou shone

2006-06-11 Thread Gary Richmond
iled gnomon had not splayed as prone" and "Pale as the pallors tip this pile o' pillow" read like they were written by the Monty Python Troupe. This poem is not just bad, it is hilariously, over-the-top bad. Creath Thorne Gary Richmond writes: No mental eyes of erst e

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-09 Thread Gary Richmond
Ben wrote: qualisign = tone = potisign sinsign = token = actisign legisign = type = famisign   While these are often called alternate names of the same things, Gary has said that they aren't just sets of synonyms but instead reflect some differences of conception. I.e., for some purp

[peirce-l] No mental eyes of erst e'er hads't thou shone

2006-06-08 Thread Gary Richmond
No mental eyes of erst e'er hads't thou shone; Thy entailed gnomon had not splayed as prone; Not, at all, fact borne ideas sprayed as grown, Nor Man as halo'd tower of nature known. Thy fearful lift's bed rock stepped arbor type-- Sight bearing wake's upholding spinelike gripe, In the last inhaul

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-08 Thread Gary Richmond
Thanks you Ben and Bernard! Gary Benjamin Udell wrote: Thank you, Bernard! -Ben     Qualisign Sinsign Legisign Icon Index Symbol

[peirce-l] Re: Entelechy

2006-06-05 Thread Gary Richmond
Victoria & Cassiano, I agree that Cassiano's is a sane, sound, and even evolutionary way of looking at entelechy. Peirce too saw that Kant and Bergson were on the right metaphysical track, process and vitalism, not mechanism and predetermination. The resultant 'emergent principle' is thus the

[peirce-l] The TextOp project of Digitual Universe

2006-06-05 Thread Gary Richmond
Phillipe Martin posted this announcement by Larry Sanger of the TextOp project (part of the larger Digital Universe project discussed on the list recently) with the purpose of codifying "great works" for electronic distribution. In this model the chunks of information are paragraphs. It does no

[peirce-l] Re: LSE Conference abstracts on representation in art and science

2006-06-04 Thread Gary Richmond
Ben, Joe, Jim, Mats, list, I've been wanting to address some of the issues of this post of Ben's but, feeling under the weather, I can't yet tackle it with any certainty that I'll contribute to clarifying any of these. I did come across an interesting passage today which, however, might shed s

[peirce-l] Re: LSE Conference abstracts on representation in art and science

2006-06-04 Thread Gary Richmond
Jim & List, Jim Piat wrote: My Websters gives D. Cn. L. as doctor of cannon law. Well, I know Peirce used a few military metaphors, but "cannon law"? :-) All kidding aside, the American Heritage Dictionary offers this: DCL abbr. Doctor of Canon Law Doctor of Civil Law T

[peirce-l] Re: LSE Conference abstracts on representation in art and science

2006-06-04 Thread Gary Richmond
Jim, Joe, D.C.L could also be "doctor of canon law." Gary PS A gentle reminder not to include whole message, especially long quotations, in responses :-) Jim Piat wrote: Dear Joe, In my Websters the meaning of D.C.L. is given as "doctor of civil law", but I don't find it in Black's Law d

[peirce-l] Re: Trikonicb.ppt Slide 18 and categories of chemical relations

2006-05-20 Thread Gary Richmond
Jerry, You asked Ben: Can you guide me toward your work on fours? Short answer: The Tetrast http://tetrast.blogspot.com/ Gary Jerry LR Chandler wrote: Dear Ben / Gary: First, my apologies to Gary. My dyslexia kicks in at the strangest times. I read "Gary" and typed "Jim"! Second, I

[peirce-l] Re: peirce-l digest: May 11, 2006

2006-05-16 Thread Gary Richmond
es (not 'assumes') me that the mathematics is sound. . Again, my apologies. Gary Gary Richmond wrote: [off-list] Hi Ben, Hey, what happened to your feedback on my paper? Anyhow, probably best since I made some significant changes yesterday. BUT, will you be available to

[peirce-l] Re: peirce-l digest: May 11, 2006

2006-05-16 Thread Gary Richmond
Jerry, Gary Richmond's view doesn't technically contradict Gary F.'s statements, since Gary F.'s statements were qualified by the possibility of somebody's producing evidence, though Gary F. obviously seemed doubtful about the idea of the chemical "connection." I f

[peirce-l] CfP First International Pragmatic Web Conference 2006 (PragWeb 2006)

2006-05-13 Thread Gary Richmond
Alexander Repenning, University of Colorado, USA * Gary Richmond, City University of New York, USA * Munindar P. Singh, North Carolina State University, USA * Peter Spyns, Ministry of Flanders, Belgium * Ronald Stamper, London, UK * York Sure, University of Karlsruhe, Germany

[peirce-l] Re: Entelechy

2006-05-09 Thread Gary Richmond
Gary, Your concluding comment: We are worlds in conversation, turning still. Sometimes we spin in synchrony and sometimes we don't. When we do, we have structural coupling, as Maturana and Varela called it. And when we don't, we may have a chance to learn something new. for some reason brou

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS: So what is it all about? (CORRECTION)

2006-05-07 Thread Gary Richmond
Jim, and all, I've been very much enjoying reading this thread and, indeed, all the activity of late on the list has been of interest to me. Alas, I continue to be up to my neck in work so I can't actively participate in any of the threads at the moment (a condition which no doubt some here mi

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS: So what is it all about?

2006-05-05 Thread Gary Richmond
Jim, Ben, list Jim wrote: An object is anything that can be represented. Abstract objects such as relations also have forms and locations that can be connoted and denoted as discussed below. It is my view (and I think Peirce's) that words or symbols such as "not", "probably", "if" etc re

[peirce-l] Re: Category Theory & CSP

2006-05-02 Thread Gary Richmond
List, Comparing the attached two diagrams may assist in beginning a discussion of Robert Marty's use of elementary category theory and Rudolph Wille's lattices in the lattice structures Marty's developed in relation to Peirce's phenomenology.. Marty takes Terry Winograd's simple (but, admitte

[peirce-l] Re: Category Theory & CSP

2006-05-01 Thread Gary Richmond
Jim Piat wrote: Which is to say that form, substance and function are inseparable relations in the sense of being inextricable aspects of the same thing -- being itself.  They are defined in terms of one another and there is no way around it.  The most fundamental constituents of any system

[peirce-l] Re: Category Theory & CSP

2006-05-01 Thread Gary Richmond
Jim, list, You wrote: JP: So for me the question becomes. . .how do we have both entities and relations.  Seems to me that one or the other is not fundamental.  I think the Piercean approach that all being is merely relations is more satisfying.  Some of these relations (of relations) we relat

[peirce-l] [Fwd: Re: Category theory and C. S. Perce]

2006-05-01 Thread Gary Richmond
List, I sent John Sowa Irving Arellis' message of 4/30 asking him if he'd share his thoughts on category theory in relation to Peirce with the list. His remarks appear below. Gary Gary, I would say that the description of category theory by Irving A. is a reasonable explanation of the subje

[peirce-l] Re: Peirce and Prigogine

2006-04-22 Thread Gary Richmond
Gary, list, I'm looking forward to reading your work on intentionality and would encourage all here to read that most extraordinary paper you co-authored with Salthe, which I hope to discuss with you & others at a later date. The Cosmic Bellows: The Big Bang and The Second Law would seem to me

[peirce-l] Re: Knowledge Management

2006-04-03 Thread Gary Richmond
Bernard, Thanks for the CfP, a succinct and relatively straight-forward summary of certain key Knowledge Management issues. For those interested see also: M. Smits and A. de Moor (2004). Measuring Knowledge Management Effectiveness in Communities of Practice. In Proc. of the 37th Annual Ha

[peirce-l] Re: Conceptual Structures Tool Interoperability Workshop

2006-03-30 Thread Gary Richmond
term proto-sign has been suggested by Gary Richmond," but does not note that I coined this term while expressing exasperation at their referring to the elements of their own dyadic and, in fact, wholly Boolean structure as if they were actual, embodied signs.   That is what for me is at stake.

[peirce-l] Re: Conceptual Structures Tool Interoperability Workshop

2006-03-29 Thread Gary Richmond
Auke, Thank you for providing the link to Sarbo's Proto-Signs piece. http://www.cs.ru.nl/research/reports/full/ICIS-R05031.pdf This will certainly be very helpful for those who are interested in examining Sarbo's 9-adic proto-semiotic   I had better phrased it thus: by the addition...sneak

[peirce-l] Re: Conceptual Structures Tool Interoperability Workshop

2006-03-29 Thread Gary Richmond
Auke, Auke van Breemen wrote:  <> Well, it seems we are going in different directions at the moment.   - You are involved in studying semiosis along lines of sign types, while I am wondering how to understand the process by which a sign  that offers itself and is capable of producing

[peirce-l] Re: Conceptual Structures Tool Interoperability Workshop

2006-03-28 Thread Gary Richmond
Auke, Another inter-paragraphical  response, then we can both get back to work towards our deadlines :-) Auke van Breemen wrote:  <>[GR] But the so-called Welby classification involves the consideration of the role of the interpretant in semeiotic moving theoretically somewhat far beyond the

[peirce-l] Re: Conceptual Structures Tool Interoperability Workshop

2006-03-27 Thread Gary Richmond
been achieved by Peirce in both the analyses of secondness as such (mechanism, etc.) and thirdness as such (mind). So I will continue to argue as forcefully as I can against Sarbo's program, and for both these reasons. <>Since I am co-author of Natural Grammar your remark below also applies

[peirce-l] Re: Conceptual Structures Tool Interoperability Workshop

2006-03-27 Thread Gary Richmond
e list may know, I have also found Sarbo's  "proto-signs" problematic in part for reasons not unrelated to the above analysis.. In a recent paper, "Natural Grammar," Sarbo comments that "We gladly acknowledge that the term proto-sign has been suggested by Gary Ric

[peirce-l] Re: Conceptual Structures Tool Interoperability Workshop

2006-03-26 Thread Gary Richmond
Steven Ericsson Zenith wrote: BTW: A "tool interoperability" workshop is not something that I would expect anyone here to find interesting - even if the tools do deal with "conceptual structures" - which means, in this case, schemas and their instances. Steven, I'm giving the keynote address

[peirce-l] Re: Conceptual Structures Tool Interoperability Workshop

2006-03-26 Thread Gary Richmond
Incorrect url: the 'ontology': (computer science) link should be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology_%28computer_science%29 --- Message from peirce-l forum to subscriber archive@mail-archive.com

[peirce-l] Re: Conceptual Structures Tool Interoperability Workshop

2006-03-26 Thread Gary Richmond
Auke, Thank you for your interesting comments and  for the quite pertinent Peirce quotation reminding us "that the essential function of a sign is to render inefficient relations efficient." There seems to me to be a great power in that notion both generally in semeiotic, but also and in par

[peirce-l] Re: Conceptual Structures Tool Interoperability Workshop

2006-03-26 Thread Gary Richmond
Joe, Ben, List, I agree with Joe that Ben should be at the ICCS workshop! Finding your discussion of considerable interest and thinking that Aldo de Moor might as well, I wrote the following: to him (I'd forwarded Aldo most of that earlier exchange, not reproduced below). Hi, Aldo, FYI, Be

[peirce-l] Conceptual Structures Tool Interoperability Workshop

2006-03-25 Thread Gary Richmond
Workshop: Sunday, July 16, 2006 === Invited Speaker "Philosophy Meets Design" . Gary Richmond, City University of New York, USA: === Program Chairs . Aldo de Moor, STARLab, Vrije Universiteit Brussel, Belgium ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) . Simon Polovina, Sheffield Hallam Un

[peirce-l] Re: Mid-course term change

2006-03-14 Thread Gary Richmond
http://www.abdn.ac.uk/bestiary/translat/21r.hti Of the lamb The lamb is called agnus possibly from the Greek word agnos, pious. Some think that it gets the Latin form of its name because, more than any other animal, it recognises, agnoscere, its mother, so much so that, even if it strays in th

[peirce-l] Re: Representamens and Signs (was "Design and Semiotics Revisited" was "Peircean elements")

2006-03-13 Thread Gary Richmond
Steven. You wrote: I do resist conflating your views with those of Frances - I do observe, however, your strong support for her arguments and the position that she takes. I do not offer "strong support" for Frances arguments nor for "the position that she takes," but as previously mention

[peirce-l] Re: Representamens and Signs (was "Design and Semiotics Revisited" was "Peircean elements")

2006-03-12 Thread Gary Richmond
Steven, Frances and I have very different views on most everything concerned with Peirce. I hope you will resist conflating our views. Steven Ericsson Zenith wrote: Mostly I think the deconstruction of Peirce's writings concerning representamen / sign is a waste of time and simply unable to

[peirce-l] Re: Design and Semiotics Revisited (...new thread from "Peircean elements" topic)

2006-03-12 Thread Gary Richmond
an one really equate representation with the representamen? Perhaps. I don't know. It remains a question in my mind Gary Richmond Joseph Ransdell wrote: Neither Theresa nor I disagree with what you are saying about the vernacular word "sign" being more narr

[peirce-l] Re: Design and Semiotics Revisited (...new thread from "Peircean elements" topic)

2006-03-12 Thread Gary Richmond
Joe, Frances, and List, Joseph Ransdell wrote: I can only say that I find Frances's usage of words so idiosyncratic in sentence after sentence that I cannot figure out any way to restate her view in sentences that make any sense to me. Perhaps because at one point several years ago I s

[peirce-l] Re: Representamens and Signs (was "Design and Semiotics Revisited"was "Peircean elements")

2006-03-12 Thread Gary Richmond
Theresa, Frances & List, Certainly Peirce at moments & in places suggests that there may be representamen which are not signs, probably the clearest & simplest example being that famous sunflower. CP 2.274. . .A Sign is a Representamen with a mental Interpretant. Possibly there may be Represen

[peirce-l] Re: Representamens and Signs (was "Design and Semiotics Revisited" was "Peircean elements")

2006-03-12 Thread Gary Richmond
rms occur, but in a very few cases I have excluded a continuation of the paragraph which did not seem relevant, or added a short paragraph preceding or following the one employing the term. This has not been indicated in any special way. Gary Richmond CP 1.480 Cross-Ref:†† 480. Genuine tria

[peirce-l] Re: Design and Semiotics Revisited (...new thread from "Peircean elements" topic)

2006-03-12 Thread Gary Richmond
Joe, Frances, list: Joe, thanks for your response as it points to an aspect of the cause of my "strongly worded rhetoric," as Steven phrased it, which I did not address in my comments to him and which I refrained from adding to those comments precisely since you had not by then responded. As a

[peirce-l] Re: Are there authorities on authority?

2006-03-12 Thread Gary Richmond
List, Here's the opening and conclusion of a New York Times article today on an aspect of the subject of this thread. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/12/business/yourmoney/12digi.html?ex=1142830800&en=30176f24d523ea78&ei=5070&emc=eta1 March 12, 2006 The New York Times Digital Domain: Anonym

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