At the beginning of boht the Korean and Vietnam conflicts, there was a
draft, and members of Congress may have had draft-age sons. At the
beginning of WWII and the two Gulf wars, there was no draft and members of
Congress therefore did not need to worry about their own sons.
It seems to have
Dear Ambassador,
Please consider invoking UN Res. 377 "Uniting For Peace" to stop this unnecessary, unjust disastrous war that U.S. President Bush is trying to foist upon innocent Iraqis and the world.
The war will cause hundreds of thousands of deaths of innocents, trillions better spent on
Published on Monday, March 10, 2003 by the Guardian/UK
A Supreme International Crime
Any Member of a Government Backing an Aggressive War Will Be Open to
Prosecution
by Mark Littman
The threatened war against Iraq will be a breach of the United Nations
Charter and hence of international law
Bush Bets All He Has
Mar. 15, 2003
The United States is in deep trouble. The President of
the United States has taken an enormous gamble, and
done it from a fundamentally weak position. He decided
a year ago or so that the U.S. would make war on Iraq.
He did this in order to demonstrate the
I havent heard that it was explicity written. However Negroponte gave
assurances in the media that there was no automaticity and said there was no
hidden trigger of force. It was on these assurances that everyone signed
on.
Technically I expect you are correct and the CESR is wrong. I am not sure
Ian, you cite this as an example of my attacking people rather than ideas?
To the contrary, a pacifist (in the sense of being opposed to the
right of the imperialists to make war) position is the only one that
principled Marxists, radicals and progressives can put forward.
Perhaps you should
Robert Scott Gassler wrote:
At the beginning of boht the Korean and Vietnam conflicts, there was a
draft, and members of Congress may have had draft-age sons. At the
beginning of WWII
This is wrong. The draft began in 1940. Then the upper age limit was
reduced, and some who had been
Title: RE: [PEN-L:35855] G. William Domhoff replies...The whole thing?
Instead of being pelted with petty personal attacks, Domhoff should be given credit for doing excellent research to produce his books. His theory's not very deep (in my humble opinion), but most of the people on pen-l are
Title: PK on deficit fears
March 21, 2003/New York TIMES
Who Lost the U.S. Budget?
By PAUL KRUGMAN
The Onion describes itself as America's finest news source, and it's not an idle boast. On Jan. 18, 2001, the satirical weekly bore the headline Bush: Our long national nightmare of peace and
- Original Message -
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 6:02 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:35853] To Ian Murray
Ian, you cite this as an example of my attacking people rather than
ideas?
To the contrary, a pacifist (in the sense of being
I think with the killing of people in Iraq, Palestine, we don't need
to center on personalities.
On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 07:56:11AM -0800, Devine, James wrote:
Instead of being pelted with petty personal attacks, Domhoff should be given
credit for doing excellent research to produce his
Title: RE: [PEN-L:35859] Re: RE: G. William Domhoff replies...The whole thing?
I think with the killing of people in Iraq, Palestine,
we don't need
to center on personalities.
That's what I was saying: petty attacks on Domhoff and the like are distractions (at best).
I did forward the whole thing. It was just interspersed by my own
comments. I did get another message from him that is not worth
commenting on.
--
The Marxism list: www.marxmail.org
Devine, James wrote:
Instead of being pelted with petty personal attacks, Domhoff should be
given credit for doing excellent research to produce his books.
What for? Professors are paid to do excellent research. Last night I
told my wife that 90 percent of the people on lists like PEN-L and PSN
Ian Murray wrote:
There are no celebrities here. Your sarcasm looks a lot like adolescent
name calling and facile attempts at character assassination to me and a
lot of other people, especially those on the receiving end of your
communication. What is it, objectively?
Well, other people like it
Michael Perelman wrote:
I think with the killing of people in Iraq, Palestine, we don't need
to center on personalities.
And who is centering on personalities? Now it's Domhoff, added to a
long list of ad hominems, including Jim O'Connor and David Harvey -
three radical scholars who've
Doug Henwood wrote:
And who is centering on personalities? Now it's Domhoff, added to a long
list of ad hominems, including Jim O'Connor and David Harvey - three
radical scholars who've done really fine work. This kind of spurious
even-handedness is deeply unfair Michael.
The only thing I ever
I am going to have to be off line for the rest of the day. Please,
everybody involved, cool it.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Please, let's cool it. There are more important things going on now. Do
we really need circular firing squads?
On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 12:09:10PM -0500, Louis Proyect wrote:
Doug Henwood wrote:
And who is centering on personalities? Now it's Domhoff, added to a long
list of ad hominems,
Let's everybody chill out. Louis' participation in this latest round has been constructive. We needn't have matters degenerate as they have at times. right now there's a war on. Can everyone here be nice to each other over things that don't matter? Louis has actually beeing trying to do that. As
The BBC reported this two deaths. I am interested in knowing anything
else like this, i.e. any other deaths, large scale assault, etc.?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2872873.stm
E. Ahmet Tonak
Professor of Economics
Simon's Rock College of Bard
84 Alford Road
Great Barrington, MA
chris == Chris Burford [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
chris obviously futile. But as the stories mount of unnecessary
chris civilian deaths and maimings, and of deaths through friendly
chris fire and accidents, this propels the relevance of continued
chris protests, against an unjust and
http://www.moscowtimes.ru/stories/2003/03/20/042.html
Thursday, Mar. 20, 2003. Page 7
Report: U.S. Plans to Tap $40Bln Iraq Account
In itself, the current proposal of Kofi Anon is technical and almost
required: the residual unspent amounts left over from the sale of Iraqi oil
under the
For those intested in the history of the spat upon veteran and attempts
to create a new myth about the contemporary military, read the
newspaper story at:
http://www.mountainx.com/news/2003/0319troops.php
Marty Hart-Landsberg
Title: butcher
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Drop Bush, Not Bombs!
--
During times of universal deceit,
telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
act.
George Orwell
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END OF THE TRAIL
Title: RE: [PEN-L:35871] Politics of 'Oil for Food': The big catch
also, despite all the possible aid to the Iraqi people, the overhead and clean-up will be likely supplied by Bush cronies, who will profit mightily.
JD
(hi, Paul!)
-Original Message-
From: Paul_A
To: [EMAIL
Title: PK on deficit fears
Just got back from our rally and march. A great group of about 400 people, highschoolers, retired workers, nuns and anarchists
gathered at noon in the central plaza, did a couple of rounds, and then marched
to the US Consulates office in a fancy office building
http://titaniumcounter.com/temp/emergency/
Protests in Columbus, OH have never been able to match those of
Chicago, San Francisco, and other big cities, but we're making
progress in number, breadth, and militancy.
Tuesday, March 18:
* Die-ins at 15th Ave. and High St., Noon-1 PM (about 30 people) and
5-6 PM (124 people).
Thursday,
In a message dated 3/20/03 11:21:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At 2003-03-20 08:10 -0500, Louis Proyect wrote:
Chris Burford wrote:
We will see how the peace movement responds and evolves, and we can each make our personally minuscule contribution to the debate. Peace
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/21/03 11:52 AM
Devine, James wrote:
Instead of being pelted with petty personal attacks, Domhoff should be
given credit for doing excellent research to produce his books.
What for? Professors are paid to do excellent research.
whatever gave you above idea?
re.
Gil Skillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For what it's worth, I think the original connection went corruption--brothels and speakeasies and underground clubs--jazz and sometimes blues.
Right, like I said, New Orleans jazz was whorehouse music to entertain the girls or the customers while waiting.
U.S. Set to Award 7 Contracts for Rebuilding of Iraq
Initial Work Will Go to American Firms
By Paul Blustein and Renae Merle
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, March 21, 2003; Page A30
The U.S. Agency for International Development said yesterday that it will
shortly award seven contracts to
Now that I have been away from this list for the past two days,
spending some time with the Peace Initiave friends over at
Turkey, look what happened.
Justin,
Apparently your spell did not work.
Could you please give it a second try?
Sabri
PS: By the way, there are many fights going on on
Michael Hoover:
What for? Professors are paid to do excellent research.
whatever gave you above idea?
I have no idea. It just popped into my head like any other outrageous
thought. In any case, here's what a friend of mine, who teaches at a funky
NYC community college and who attended
Domhoff names names in the structure without conceptualizing it adequately.
It's a much more "American" way of going at the issue. At the other extreme,
people conceptualize the structure elaborately but do not name any names.
Though each has its advantages and disadvantages, a blend of both is
Are there any articles or data on the distribution of contracts for
reconstruction in Afghanistan that Penners would commend?
Cheers, Ken Hanly
- Original Message -
From: Ian Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pen-l [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 4:30 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:35881]
This is a prime example of the sort of absolute nuttiness and radical
imperialism that drives the Bush policy. Won't even international capital
recoil at this stuff. It promises instability and constant intervention and
a world race to develop WMD's. What other option is there to stop a power
http://www.zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?itemID=3255sectionID=15
Support Our Troops
by Michael Albert; March 17, 2003
If war comes even despite the historic, tenacious, and comprehensive
opposition now raging across the planet, the U.S. government will proclaim
triumphantly that everyone
From Sydney Morning Herald
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/21/1047749944836.html
The destruction of Safwan Hill was a priority for the attacking forces
because it had sophisticated surveillance equipment near the main highway
that runs from Kuwait up to Basra and then Baghdad. The
37 arrested Friday at Sacramento peace protest
By Dorothy Korber -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:33 p.m. PST Friday, March 21, 2003
At downtown Sacramento's federal building Friday morning, 37 anti-war
demonstrators were arrested for staging a die in and blocking the
courthouse doors. The event
Does Conquest Pay? : The Exploitation of Occupied Industrial Societies
Peter Liberman, Richard H. Ullman (Editor), Jack L. Snyder (Editor)
Princeton University Press
ISBN: 0691002428
September 1998
From the Publisher:
Does Conquest Pay? demonstrates that expansion can, in fact, provide
The Japan Times: March 22, 2003
Tokyo peace protest draws thousands
The Associated Press
Thousands of demonstrators marched Friday through downtown Tokyo to
protest the war in Iraq and Japan's plans to support the U.S.-led campaign
with nonmilitary aid.
The protests came hours after Prime
US delays announcement of contracts to run Iraqi air, sea ports
This all copyright by Agency Freedom Press...aka Agence France Press.
Cheers, Ken Hanly
WASHINGTON (AFP) Mar 22, 2003
US President George W Bush's administration delayed the award Friday of a
contract to a US firm to run
March 21, 2003
Pentagon Adviser Is Also Advising Global Crossing
By STEPHEN LABATON
ASHINGTON, March 20 - Even as he advises the Pentagon on war matters,
Richard N. Perle, chairman of the influential Defense
Conflict Jostles Contracting Sector
D.C. Law Firms, Clients Hurry To Alter Services, Insurance
By Carrie Johnson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, March 22, 2003; Page E01
William A. Roberts III, a longtime government contracts lawyer in
Washington, said his phone started ringing Wednesday
- Original Message -
From: Michael Hoover [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Devine, James wrote:
Instead of being pelted with petty personal attacks, Domhoff should be
given credit for doing excellent research to produce his books.
re. domhoff, his study of social backgrounds of powerful white men
"History suggests not. The UN arose from the ashes of a war that theLeague of Nations was unable to avert. It was simply not up to confrontingItaly in Abyssinia, much less - had it survived that debacle - to taking onNazi Germany."
If history is repeating itself, then is this the tragedy or the
Lou,
If it is not too personal, it would be a good idea to forward Domhoff's
entire response. Did you do it already?
Louis Proyect wrote:
Bill Domhoff wrote:
for a Marxist, you don't seem to have much appreciation for
structure, except of course in the economyat least so I gather
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