Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL and SOAP, suggestions?

2003-04-03 Thread cbbrowne
7;ll see matrices describing this sort of thing... -- (reverse (concatenate 'string "ac.notelrac.teneerf@" "454aa")) http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/advocacy.html "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to using Windows NT for mission-critical applications." ---

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL and SOAP, suggestions?

2003-04-03 Thread cbbrowne
inst all the servers you care about, or vice-versa. That's definitely not the same thing as being a "conformance" test. Trying to be "really strict" doesn't seem to be a viable strategy, as far as I can see... -- (concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL and SOAP, suggestions?

2003-04-02 Thread cbbrowne
it's only fun if you *enjoy* having interoperability problems... -- If this was helpful, <http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=cbbrowne> rate me http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/soap.html He who laughs last thinks slowest. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster

Re: [HACKERS] Newbie: problem Connecting to Server

2003-03-30 Thread cbbrowne
what it's doing. And it's quite unlikely that RHAT has packaged the very latest version; the fact that they are numbering things independently is quite irritating as it makes it more difficult to ascertain what version it actually is. -- output = ("cbbrowne" "@acm.org"

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL and SOAP, version 7.4/8.0

2003-03-28 Thread cbbrowne
erable implementations, and is rather a lot less bloated than any of the XML-based schemes. It might be worth trying, too... -- If this was helpful, <http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=cbbrowne> rate me http://cbbrowne.com/info/soap.html I just got skylights put in my place. The people who live abov

Re: [HACKERS] XML ouput for psql

2003-03-05 Thread cbbrowne
the "protocol" would involve passing back a row-as-string for each row in the result set. -- output = ("cbbrowne" "@cbbrowne.com") http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/xml.html "There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and Unix. We don't believe this t

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] XML ouput for psql

2003-03-03 Thread cbbrowne
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > I don't agree with this: XML and XHTML are two different things. > > No one claimed anything to the contrary. > > > We could certainly upgrade the HTML portion, but I am pretty sure that > > the XML standard calls for this format: > > > > data here > > The XML

Re: [HACKERS] Yet another open-source benchmark

2003-03-03 Thread cbbrowne
he term is being used. When they translate things from German, sometimes wordings change :-). -- output = reverse("moc.enworbbc@" "enworbbc") http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/linuxxian.html Rules of the Evil Overlord #41. "Once my power is sec

Re: [HACKERS] Intel drops 64-bit Itanium

2003-02-24 Thread cbbrowne
ure to Intel, and Alpha already has a mature set of hardware designs as well as compilers... -- (reverse (concatenate 'string "gro.gultn@" "enworbbc")) http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/oses.html "Everything should be built top-down, except the first time." --

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread cbbrowne
bly preferable for everything to reside clearly underneath that, and for my custom backup scripts to work in that area. But if I'm managing 4 instances on one box, it should be quite evident that I'm going well beyond what any packaging system is likely to be prepared to handle. Again

Re: [HACKERS] new procedural language - PL/R

2003-02-03 Thread cbbrowne
y if that allowed harnessing the DBMS to do some of the statistical analysis behind your back... -- If this was helpful, <http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=cbbrowne> rate me http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/rdbms.html "After you've heard two eyewitness accounts of an auto accident it m

[HACKERS] Case Studio II

2003-02-02 Thread cbbrowne
Has anyone seriously tried out this package? It looks like a "cheaper variant on ERWin," with the merit of having some PostgreSQL support. It only runs on WinTel, which is somewhat unfortunate, but I haven't gotten the sort of diagramming I have been looking for out of AutoDoc, so I'd be game t

Re: [mail] Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System

2003-01-31 Thread cbbrowne
unhappy with the > stepchild-Cygwin stuff too, so they won't care too much. What is interesting is that the MySQL folk don't seem to be vehemently against it, as a look at their downloads pages indicate that they depend on Cygwin for the Windows port of their product. -- output

Re: [mail] Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System

2003-01-31 Thread cbbrowne
p://www.mysql.com/downloads/mysql-3.23.html "Windows downloads The Windows binaries use the Cygwin library. Source code for the version of Cygwin we have used is available on this page." http://www.mysql.com/downloads/cygwin.html -- (reverse (concatenate 'string "gro.gultn@&quo

Re: [mail] Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System

2003-01-31 Thread cbbrowne
= ("aa454" "@freenet.carleton.ca") http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linuxxian.html Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [mail] Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System

2003-01-29 Thread cbbrowne
license, and saying "Have your lawyer read this." If you start giving them interpretations of the license, that smacks of "giving legal advice," and bar associations tend to frown on that. -- If this was helpful, <http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=cbbrowne> rate me http://cbbro

Re: [HACKERS] clock sync

2003-01-09 Thread cbbrowne
s that have substantially differing ideas as to what time it is. But what you /should/ do is run NTP on all your machines, thus getting rid of the problem. <http://www.ntp.org/> -- If this was helpful, <http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=cbbrowne> rate me http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/

Re: [HACKERS] psql and readline

2003-01-09 Thread cbbrowne
On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 10:13:14 EST, the world broke into rejoicing as Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Justin Clift wrote: > > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > Let's suppose I am writing a query, and then I do \e to edit the query, > > > and I exit the editor and return to psql. Suppose I d

Re: [HACKERS] OS/400 support?

2003-01-06 Thread cbbrowne
more than a curiosity. -- (reverse (concatenate 'string "moc.enworbbc@" "enworbbc")) http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/rdbms.html If you can't see the bright side of things, polish the dark side... ---(end of broadcast)---

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group

2002-12-15 Thread cbbrowne
Kevin Brown wrote: > Devrim G?ND?Z wrote: > > I do NOT like hearing about MySQL in this (these) list(s). > > > > PostgreSQL is not in the same category with MySQL. MySQL is for > > *dummies*, not database admins. I do not even call it a database. I > > have never forgotten my data loss 2,5 years

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group Announces

2002-12-04 Thread cbbrowne
> > > It isn't, but those working on -advocacy were asked to help come up with > a > > > stronger release *announcement* then we've had in the past ... > > > > Consider that a failed experiment. PostgreSQL is driven by the > > development group and, to some extent, by the existing user base. The

Re: [HACKERS] Shrinkwrap Windows Product, any issues? Anyone?

2002-12-03 Thread cbbrowne
u're confused about the licensing issues. -- (concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@cbbrowne.com") http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/lsf.html "My mom said she learned how to swim. Someone took her out in the lake and threw her off the boat. That's how she learned h

Re: [HACKERS] RC1?

2002-11-13 Thread cbbrowne
awk" that we expect to work, that's probably nicer than figuring out which echo parameters are needed... -- (concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@ntlug.org") http://cbbrowne.com/info/wp.html The first cup of coffee recapitulates phylogeny. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/faq.html

Re: [HACKERS] Hot Backup

2002-10-24 Thread cbbrowne
necessary to consider these sorts of (admittedly paranoid) scenarios. It's a bit fun, in a way; you get to look for some pretty odd-ball situations; the "server room being overrun by Mongol Hordes." That particular one isn't too likely, of course :-). -- (reverse (concate

Re: [HACKERS] Anyone want to assist with the translation of the

2002-10-02 Thread cbbrowne
Justin wrote: > Hi Michael, > Michael Paesold wrote: > > > Hi Justin, > > I am from Austria, and I would like to help. I could provide a German > > translation. The Babelfish's translation is really funny. Machine > > translation is readable, but it is no advocacy. ;-) I do not really nead an >

Re: [HACKERS] Inheritance

2002-09-06 Thread cbbrowne
Oops! [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg Copeland) was seen spray-painting on a wall: > --=-eu74lKXry3SVx8eZ/qBD > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 08:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 07:37, Curt Sampson wrote: >> > > On 5 S

Re: [HACKERS] Inheritance

2002-09-06 Thread cbbrowne
> On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 07:37, Curt Sampson wrote: > > On 5 Sep 2002, Hannu Krosing wrote: > > > > > Suppose you have a table CITIZEN with table-level constraint IS_GOOD > > > which is defined as kills_not_others(CITIZEN). and there is table > > > CIVIL_SERVANT (..) UNDER CITIZEN. Now you have ju

Re: [HACKERS] HISTORY updated, 7.3 branded

2002-09-04 Thread cbbrowne
t; as the primary purpose for this, as opposed to "users." In the long run, are not applications more likely to be the driving force encouraging the use of schemas? -- (reverse (concatenate 'string "gro.gultn@" "enworbbc")) http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/un

[HACKERS] How To Make Things Appear More Dramatic

2002-08-26 Thread cbbrowne
> An alarmist style when posting a serious error is a good idea. "Hey > guys, I found a possible problem..." Does not seem to generate the > needed level of excitement. DOS attacks means that business stops. I > think that should generate a furrowed brow, to say the least. Obviously people ha

Re: [HACKERS] Documentation DTD

2002-08-15 Thread cbbrowne
. It would make sense to fix use of any deprecated elements, but "fixing" any XML aspects of it now is pretty much a senseless exercise. -- (reverse (concatenate 'string "moc.enworbbc@" "enworbbc")) http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/emacs.html "Computers in the fu

Re: [HACKERS] Standard replication interface?

2002-08-15 Thread cbbrowne
ns" that need to be updated any time a relevant change goes into the database engine. I'd be surprised if, in the end, there truly _needed_ to be more than about two approaches. Should the team plan to _have_ a mess? I'd think not. -- (concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" &qu

[HACKERS] Table inheritance versus views

2002-08-02 Thread cbbrowne
On 29 Jul 2002 18:27:40 MDT, the world broke into rejoicing as Stephen Deasey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Curt Sampson wrote: >> I'm still waiting to find out just what advantage table inheritance >> offers. I've asked a couple of times here, and nobody has even >> started to come up with anythin

[HACKERS] Third Manifesto

2002-08-02 Thread cbbrowne
d/issues/9503/manifesto.ps It's actually an easier read than the full book. -- (concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@cbbrowne.com") http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/finances.html "very few people approach me in real life and insist on proving they are

Re: [HACKERS] Why is MySQL more chosen over PostgreSQL?

2002-07-29 Thread cbbrowne
under the GPL... Of course, this is d), and I said "three" likely effects...) e) Inertia. MySQL got more popular way back when; the reasons may no longer apply, but nobody is going to move to PostgreSQL without _compelling_ reason, and you'll have to show something _really co

Re: [HACKERS] Postgres idea list

2002-06-27 Thread cbbrowne
The language is "free enough," but the libraries you will want to use aren't... -- (concatenate 'string "chris" "@cbbrowne.com") http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/spreadsheets.html HAKMEM ITEM 163 (Sussman): To exchange two variables in LISP without

Re: [HACKERS] Postgres idea list

2002-06-26 Thread cbbrowne
components under free licenses. That "circumvention" is a distinctly non-trivial task. > 2. I understand that there are some serious limitations to the current > Postgres JDBC drivers. I have not used them, so I'm reporting rumor, > here. I've not run into problems wit

Re: [HACKERS] A fairly obvious optimization?

2002-06-24 Thread cbbrowne
query optimizer... -- (reverse (concatenate 'string "moc.enworbbc@" "sirhc")) http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/spreadsheets.html "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other

Re: [HACKERS] Alternatives to SQL ...

2002-06-08 Thread cbbrowne
hierarchy. I think there would be considerable value to that. It certainly needs to be thought about before it is implemented, but it's worth thinking about, to be sure. -- (reverse (concatenate 'string "gro.gultn@" "enworbbc")) http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/multiplexor.ht

Re: [HACKERS] Redhat 7.3 time manipulation bug

2002-05-24 Thread cbbrowne
> > > The last phase could be extending the API to allow multiple simultaneous > > > time zones, detection of bad time zones, etc etc. This would involve API > > > changes or extensions, and breaks compatibility with system-supplied > > > infrastructure. > > One thing that wasn't clear to me, but

Re: [HACKERS] Redhat 7.3 time manipulation bug

2002-05-24 Thread cbbrowne
ect to change. Some of the zones are quite peculiar if you head to Africa and Asia; there are some sitting on 15 minute intervales, rather than the usual 1h intervals. (The classic Canadian timezone joke is "World ends at 9:00; 9:30 in Newfoundland". For more information, see TZ='

Re: [HACKERS] Redhat 7.3 time manipulation bug

2002-05-23 Thread cbbrowne
ptions about things whose definitions are permitted to vary, as this makes it easier to call out as WRONG those systems that make up their own definitions. People will no doubt get defensive about their own non-standard implementations of things; it is certainly far easier to cry "T

Re: [HACKERS] Redhat 7.3 time manipulation bug

2002-05-23 Thread cbbrowne
tes as "general dates" has leaped into exactly the same sort of trap that caused people to get so paranoid about Y2K. -- (concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@acm.org") http://www.cbbrowne.com/info/oses.html Do Roman paramedics refer to IV's as "4'

Re: [HACKERS] Native Win32, How about this?

2002-05-11 Thread cbbrowne
Voltaire gets quoted, that's likely to happen :-). -- (reverse (concatenate 'string "gro.gultn@" "enworbbc")) http://www.cbbrowne.com/info/wp.html Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. -- (concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@

Re: [HACKERS] Monitoring backend activities

2002-05-10 Thread cbbrowne
f I/O operations, memory usage, > queries being executed, etc... The only problem I see is that TOra already seems quite well supported for PostgreSQL. I'm running it at the moment, and it works quite well... -- (concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@cbbrowne.com") ht

Re: [HACKERS] How much work is a native Windows application?

2002-05-09 Thread cbbrowne
rking on something that should probably be done by one person. -- (concatenate 'string "aa454" "@freenet.carleton.ca") http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/x.html Why are they called apartments, when they're all stuck together? ---(end of broadcast)--

Re: [HACKERS] How much work is a native Windows application?

2002-05-09 Thread cbbrowne
* to be posted in HTML is fatuous garbage not worth my time." -- David M. Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- (reverse (concatenate 'string "moc.enworbbc@" "enworbbc")) http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/spreadsheets.html Rules of the Evil Overlord #166. "If the reb

Re: [HACKERS] Musings

2002-05-05 Thread cbbrowne
On Mon, 06 May 2002 00:50:25 +1000, the world broke into rejoicing as Gavin Sherry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Sun, 5 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Sun, 05 May 2002 10:01:57 EDT, the world broke into rejoicing as > > mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > It is sunday morning and I ha

Re: [HACKERS] Musings

2002-05-05 Thread cbbrowne
not "none," but rather a figure rather close to a week. For the IT guys to have sour grapes over upgrades requiring some time and disk space is unsurprising; for them to pretend it is only a problem with PostgreSQL is just dishonest. -- (concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-01 Thread cbbrowne
generic as to be meaningless ... Well, I think one of the things that has been agreed on that _isn't_ that generic is: "We use a Berkeley style license, and prefer it that way." :-) -- (concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@ntlug.org") htt

Re: [HACKERS] mV database tools

2002-05-01 Thread cbbrowne
> I suppose arrays are PostgreSQL's equivalent of multi-valued data (is it > possible to have arrays of arrays?) So it could be argued that > PostgreSQL already provides part of what Arthur wants. It seems to me that there would be a whopping lot of value to the exercise of figuring out some wa

Re: [HACKERS] "make report"

2002-04-22 Thread cbbrowne
option UPDATE_DESCR_TABS=1 in the configuration information, then there's a very easy root exploit..."] -- (reverse (concatenate 'string "gro.gultn@" "enworbbc")) http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/x.html Rules of the Evil Overlord #176. "I will add indelib