Re: [HACKERS] Seeking Google SoC Mentors

2007-02-27 Thread Dave Page
Tom Lane wrote: Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, here's a question. Given the recent discussion re full disjunction, I'd like to know what sort of commitment we are going to give people who work on proposed projects. Um, if you mean are we going to promise to accept a patch

Re: [HACKERS] Seeking Google SoC Mentors

2007-02-27 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 09:21:42AM +, Dave Page wrote: Tom Lane wrote: Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, here's a question. Given the recent discussion re full disjunction, I'd like to know what sort of commitment we are going to give people who work on proposed

Re: [HACKERS] Seeking Google SoC Mentors

2007-02-27 Thread Dave Page
Magnus Hagander wrote: On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 09:21:42AM +, Dave Page wrote: Tom Lane wrote: Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, here's a question. Given the recent discussion re full disjunction, I'd like to know what sort of commitment we are going to give people who work

Re: [HACKERS] Seeking Google SoC Mentors

2007-02-27 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 09:53:41AM +, Dave Page wrote: Magnus Hagander wrote: On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 09:21:42AM +, Dave Page wrote: Tom Lane wrote: Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, here's a question. Given the recent discussion re full disjunction, I'd like to

Re: [HACKERS] Seeking Google SoC Mentors

2007-02-27 Thread Dave Page
Magnus Hagander wrote: Right. We'll just have to live by Googles rule for that part, I'm talking about the discussions later. Once things are approved, they should all be handled on the standard mailinglists, IMHO. Oh, 100% agreed. Being able to make possibly controversial suggestiosn public

Re: [HACKERS] Seeking Google SoC Mentors

2007-02-27 Thread Jim C. Nasby
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 12:47:14AM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: Jim C. Nasby [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, but the list being discussed is SoC projects that the community would like to see done, which means most people would assume that #1 isn't an issue. We need to make sure that every

Re: [HACKERS] Seeking Google SoC Mentors

2007-02-27 Thread Josh Berkus
Well, the HOT discussion hasn't yet led to an accepted patch ... and I'd say its authors still did way too much work before getting the community involved.  But certainly it's a better model to look at than what the FD author did. That's pretty much the mentor's job. I don't remember who

Re: [HACKERS] Seeking Google SoC Mentors

2007-02-27 Thread Robert Treat
On Monday 26 February 2007 18:46, Josh Berkus wrote: Demian, Could you also please share your thoughts on what would be a good student profile- for instance, how much theoretical background and practical experience, for working on a SoC project? Well, it shouldn't be the student's first

Re: [HACKERS] Seeking Google SoC Mentors

2007-02-27 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Jim C. Nasby wrote: I agree we certainly don't want to go designing these projects in advance, but I think we could at least ensure that the community buys into the concept of each project. Yes, at least for those that go on a suggestion list. And that was my worry about Warren's suggestion

Re: [HACKERS] Seeking Google SoC Mentors

2007-02-27 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 10:49:18AM -0600, Jim C. Nasby wrote: I agree we certainly don't want to go designing these projects in advance, but I think we could at least ensure that the community buys into the concept of each project. ISTM one of the big issues with FD is that most people didn't

Re: [HACKERS] Seeking Google SoC Mentors

2007-02-27 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: I think it might be useful to at least encourage people wanting to an SoC project to create page on the developer wiki selling their idea. You know, questions like: why do we want it? Where do you expect it to be included? etc. They are expected to do as much

Re: [HACKERS] Seeking Google SoC Mentors

2007-02-26 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Josh Berkus wrote: The next Summer of Code is just around the corner. Last year, we had 46 submissions and seven we accepted. Out of the SoC we got two ongoing contributors, several good patches, two code refactors and even an employee for a PostgreSQL company. I'd like to see us do the

Re: [HACKERS] Seeking Google SoC Mentors

2007-02-26 Thread Josh Berkus
Andrew, Is there a list of projects? Or can we suggest some? Suggest away, please! I'm going to update the website soon, would appreciate new content. -- --Josh Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't

Re: [HACKERS] Seeking Google SoC Mentors

2007-02-26 Thread markwkm
On 2/26/07, Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh Berkus wrote: The next Summer of Code is just around the corner. Last year, we had 46 submissions and seven we accepted. Out of the SoC we got two ongoing contributors, several good patches, two code refactors and even an employee

Re: [HACKERS] Seeking Google SoC Mentors

2007-02-26 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Josh Berkus wrote: Andrew, Is there a list of projects? Or can we suggest some? Suggest away, please! I'm going to update the website soon, would appreciate new content. here are a few ideas to be going on with (none of these are new): buildfarm: 1. Buildfarm web app: is in

Re: [HACKERS] Seeking Google SoC Mentors

2007-02-26 Thread markwkm
On 2/26/07, Josh Berkus josh@agliodbs.com wrote: Andrew, Is there a list of projects? Or can we suggest some? Suggest away, please! I'm going to update the website soon, would appreciate new content. I can also volunteer to mentor continuing work on a TPC-E kit, for C stored procedures and

Re: [HACKERS] Seeking Google SoC Mentors

2007-02-26 Thread Warren Turkal
On Monday 26 February 2007 14:22, Andrew Dunstan wrote: Is there a list of projects? Or can we suggest some? Temporal database support * base data types - verify current for ISO compliance (timestamp, interval) - implement period datatype * operators for those datatypes * add support for

Re: [HACKERS] Seeking Google SoC Mentors

2007-02-26 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Warren Turkal wrote: On Monday 26 February 2007 14:22, Andrew Dunstan wrote: Is there a list of projects? Or can we suggest some? Temporal database support * base data types - verify current for ISO compliance (timestamp, interval) - implement period datatype * operators for those

Re: [HACKERS] Seeking Google SoC Mentors

2007-02-26 Thread Demian Lessa
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Could you also please share your thoughts on what would be a good student profile- for instance, how much theoretical background and practical experience, for working on a SoC project? Demian The next Summer of Code is just around the corner.

Re: [HACKERS] Seeking Google SoC Mentors

2007-02-26 Thread Josh Berkus
Demian, Could you also please share your thoughts on what would be a good student profile- for instance, how much theoretical background and practical experience, for working on a SoC project? Well, it shouldn't be the student's first year writing code. Basically, they're committing to

Re: [HACKERS] Seeking Google SoC Mentors

2007-02-26 Thread Tom Lane
Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, here's a question. Given the recent discussion re full disjunction, I'd like to know what sort of commitment we are going to give people who work on proposed projects. Um, if you mean are we going to promise to accept a patch in advance of

Re: [HACKERS] Seeking Google SoC Mentors

2007-02-26 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Tom Lane wrote: Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, here's a question. Given the recent discussion re full disjunction, I'd like to know what sort of commitment we are going to give people who work on proposed projects. Um, if you mean are we going to promise to accept a patch

Re: [HACKERS] Seeking Google SoC Mentors

2007-02-26 Thread Tom Lane
Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Correct me if I am wrong, but would the way that HOT has been handled be a good way for the SoC people to do things? Well, the HOT discussion hasn't yet led to an accepted patch ... and I'd say its authors still did way too much work before getting the

Re: [HACKERS] Seeking Google SoC Mentors

2007-02-26 Thread Jim C. Nasby
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 09:10:38PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, here's a question. Given the recent discussion re full disjunction, I'd like to know what sort of commitment we are going to give people who work on proposed projects. Um, if you

Re: [HACKERS] Seeking Google SoC Mentors

2007-02-26 Thread Tom Lane
Jim C. Nasby [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, but the list being discussed is SoC projects that the community would like to see done, which means most people would assume that #1 isn't an issue. We need to make sure that every project on the list of SoC ideas is supported by the community.