Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Hervé Piedvache
Le Jeudi 20 Janvier 2005 16:16, Merlin Moncure a écrit : > > No please do not talk about this again ... I'm looking about a PostgreSQL > > solution ... I know RAC ... and I'm not able to pay for a RAC certify > > hardware configuration plus a RAC Licence. > > Are you totally certain you can't solve

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Hervé Piedvache
Le Jeudi 20 Janvier 2005 16:23, Dave Cramer a écrit : > Google uses something called the google filesystem, look it up in > google. It is a distributed file system. Yes that's another point I'm working on ... make a cluster of server using GFS ... and making PostgreSQL running with it ... But I

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Hervé Piedvache
Le Jeudi 20 Janvier 2005 16:14, Steve Wampler a écrit : > Once you've got the data partitioned, the question becomes one of > how to inhance performance/scalability. Have you considered RAIDb? No but I'll seems to be very interesting ... close to the explanation of Joshua ... but automaticly don

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Dave Cramer
Google uses something called the google filesystem, look it up in google. It is a distributed file system. Dave Hervé Piedvache wrote: Joshua, Le Jeudi 20 Janvier 2005 15:44, Joshua D. Drake a écrit : Hervé Piedvache wrote: My company, which I actually represent,

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Merlin Moncure
> No please do not talk about this again ... I'm looking about a PostgreSQL > solution ... I know RAC ... and I'm not able to pay for a RAC certify > hardware configuration plus a RAC Licence. Are you totally certain you can't solve your problem with a single server solution? How about: Price ou

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Joshua D. Drake
then I was thinking. Couldn't he use multiple databases over multiple servers with dblink? It is not exactly how I would want to do it, but it would provide what he needs I think??? Yes seems to be the only solution ... but I'm a little disapointed about this ... could you explain me why the

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Steve Wampler
Hervé Piedvache wrote: No ... as I have said ... how I'll manage a database getting a table of may be 250 000 000 records ? I'll need incredible servers ... to get quick access or index reading ... no ? So what we would like to get is a pool of small servers able to make one virtual server ...

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Stephen Frost
* Herv? Piedvache ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I know they are not using PostgreSQL ... but how a company like Google do to > get an incredible database in size and so quick access ? They segment their data across multiple machines and have an algorithm which tells the application layer which mac

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Hervé Piedvache
Le Jeudi 20 Janvier 2005 16:05, Joshua D. Drake a écrit : > Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: > >>> Or you could fork over hundreds of thousands of dollars for Oracle's > >>> RAC. > >> > >> No please do not talk about this again ... I'm looking about a > >> PostgreSQL solution ... I know RAC ... and

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: Or you could fork over hundreds of thousands of dollars for Oracle's RAC. No please do not talk about this again ... I'm looking about a PostgreSQL solution ... I know RAC ... and I'm not able to pay for a RAC certify hardware configuration plus a RAC Licence. Th

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Joshua D. Drake
So what we would like to get is a pool of small servers able to make one virtual server ... for that is called a Cluster ... no ? I know they are not using PostgreSQL ... but how a company like Google do to get an incredible database in size and so quick access ? You could use dblink with mu

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Stephen Frost
* Christopher Kings-Lynne ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > PostgreSQL has replication, but not partitioning (which is what you want). It doesn't have multi-server partitioning.. It's got partitioning within a single server (doesn't it? I thought it did, I know it was discussed w/ the guy from Cox Co

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Joshua D. Drake
No please do not talk about this again ... I'm looking about a PostgreSQL solution ... I know RAC ... and I'm not able to pay for a RAC certify hardware configuration plus a RAC Licence. What you want does not exist for PostgreSQL. You will either have to build it yourself or pay somebody to

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Hervé Piedvache
Le Jeudi 20 Janvier 2005 15:51, Christopher Kings-Lynne a écrit : > >>>Sorry but I don't agree with this ... Slony is a replication solution > >>> ... I don't need replication ... what will I do when my database will > >>> grow up to 50 Gb ... I'll need more than 50 Gb of RAM on each server > >>> ?

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Hervé Piedvache
Joshua, Le Jeudi 20 Janvier 2005 15:44, Joshua D. Drake a écrit : > Hervé Piedvache wrote: > > > >My company, which I actually represent, is a fervent user of PostgreSQL. > >We used to make all our applications using PostgreSQL for more than 5 > > years. We usually do classical client/server appli

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
Or you could fork over hundreds of thousands of dollars for Oracle's RAC. No please do not talk about this again ... I'm looking about a PostgreSQL solution ... I know RAC ... and I'm not able to pay for a RAC certify hardware configuration plus a RAC Licence. There is absolutely zero PostgreSQ

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Hervé Piedvache
Le Jeudi 20 Janvier 2005 15:48, Jeff a écrit : > On Jan 20, 2005, at 9:36 AM, Hervé Piedvache wrote: > > Sorry but I don't agree with this ... Slony is a replication solution > > ... I > > don't need replication ... what will I do when my database will grow > > up to 50 > > Gb ... I'll need more th

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
Sorry but I don't agree with this ... Slony is a replication solution ... I don't need replication ... what will I do when my database will grow up to 50 Gb ... I'll need more than 50 Gb of RAM on each server ??? This solution is not very realistic for me ... I need a Cluster solution not a replica

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Stephen Frost wrote: * Herv? Piedvache ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Le Jeudi 20 Janvier 2005 15:30, Stephen Frost a écrit : * Herv? Piedvache ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Is there any solution with PostgreSQL matching these needs ... ? You might look into pg_pool. Another possi

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Jeff
On Jan 20, 2005, at 9:36 AM, Hervé Piedvache wrote: Sorry but I don't agree with this ... Slony is a replication solution ... I don't need replication ... what will I do when my database will grow up to 50 Gb ... I'll need more than 50 Gb of RAM on each server ??? Slony doesn't use much ram. The

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Hervé Piedvache wrote: Dear community, My company, which I actually represent, is a fervent user of PostgreSQL. We used to make all our applications using PostgreSQL for more than 5 years. We usually do classical client/server applications under Linux, and Web interface (php, perl, C/C++). We used

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Stephen Frost
* Herv? Piedvache ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Le Jeudi 20 Janvier 2005 15:30, Stephen Frost a écrit : > > * Herv? Piedvache ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Is there any solution with PostgreSQL matching these needs ... ? > > > > You might look into pg_pool. Another possibility would be slony, th

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
Sorry but I don't agree with this ... Slony is a replication solution ... I don't need replication ... what will I do when my database will grow up to 50 Gb ... I'll need more than 50 Gb of RAM on each server ??? This solution is not very realistic for me ... I need a Cluster solution not a repl

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Hervé Piedvache
Le Jeudi 20 Janvier 2005 15:30, Stephen Frost a écrit : > * Herv? Piedvache ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Is there any solution with PostgreSQL matching these needs ... ? > > You might look into pg_pool. Another possibility would be slony, though > I'm not sure it's to the point you need it at ye

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Hervé Piedvache
Le Jeudi 20 Janvier 2005 15:38, Christopher Kings-Lynne a écrit : > > Sorry but I don't agree with this ... Slony is a replication solution ... > > I don't need replication ... what will I do when my database will grow up > > to 50 Gb ... I'll need more than 50 Gb of RAM on each server ??? > > This

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Hervé Piedvache
Le Jeudi 20 Janvier 2005 15:24, Christopher Kings-Lynne a écrit : > > Is there any solution with PostgreSQL matching these needs ... ? > > You want: http://www.slony.info/ > > > Do we have to backport our development to MySQL for this kind of problem > > ? Is there any other solution than a Cluster

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Stephen Frost
* Herv? Piedvache ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Is there any solution with PostgreSQL matching these needs ... ? You might look into pg_pool. Another possibility would be slony, though I'm not sure it's to the point you need it at yet, depends on if you can handle some delay before an insert makes

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
Is there any solution with PostgreSQL matching these needs ... ? You want: http://www.slony.info/ Do we have to backport our development to MySQL for this kind of problem ? Is there any other solution than a Cluster for our problem ? Well, Slony does replication which is basically what you want :)

Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL clustering VS MySQL clustering

2005-01-20 Thread Jean-Max Reymond
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:03:31 +0100, Hervé Piedvache <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We were at this moment thinking about a Cluster solution ... We saw on the > Internet many solution talking about Cluster solution using MySQL ... but > nothing about PostgreSQL ... the idea is to use several servers

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