: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
Actually, this is the problem with placing proxy bids early on eBay.
He probably did not want to pay $1,000, but definitely wanted the machine
and didn't want to be sniped at the end, so placed a high proxy bid to
avoid being outbid. However, he didn't take
but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder?
In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
john9...@pacbell.net writes:
consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time,
and taking the price from $599 to $1000.
: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of allena...@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 2:34 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder?
In a message dated 3/3/2012 4
yes, but of course, it takes two to tango. (or to raise a bid)...
allen
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In a message dated 3/4/2012 5:09:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
msprin...@gmail.com writes:
Two possible ways to get a long series from the same* bidder.
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The Standard is now re-listed at $999.99!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAT-1898-EDISON-STANDARD-PHONOGRAPH-WORKING-MOTOR-SEE-MY-VIDEO-110-YEARS-OLD-/160753917176?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item256dae1cf8
Sold $1060
Or one person and a reserve which he's trying to find.
--
Bill
On 3/4/2012 5:30 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote:
yes, but of course, it takes two to tango. (or to raise a bid)...
allen
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In a message dated 3/4/2012 5:09:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
msprin...@gmail.com writes:
Two
You often see auctions with only one bidder, who is bidding against himself.
In reality, he is bidding against the reserve price, since he doesn't know its
amount.
Jim
On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote:
but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder?
Hmm, shall we reconsider my original premise about shilling??
From: Steve Andersen ander...@tampabay.rr.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
The Standard is now re
So the high bidder just crapped out on him. I thought that the eBay bid
was a contract that had to be honored. So much for the eBay contract.
Unless he himself put in the high bid??? If so he owes eBay the commission.
What am I missing here?
---Art Heller
In a message dated 3/4/2012
The seller is highly suspect in all of this. I sent him/her an email about the
belt tension pulley and have not heard back. What I find most enlightening is
that he/she states they went to ACE Hardware which has replacement belts for $7
(but didn't buy one) and leaves it to the buyer of this
an already placed automatic
bid. Luckily for the first bidder, the second guy outbid his ridiculous proxy
bid.Curt
From: allena...@aol.com
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 14:33:51 -0500
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
but how can a person bid against himself if he
I think you are right, John. But fortunately for the original bidder, the
second guy exceeded his proxy bid.
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 17:24:17 -0800
From: john9...@pacbell.net
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
Hmm, shall we reconsider my original premise about
It's a scam...
From: aph4...@aol.com
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:25:53 -0500
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
So the high bidder just crapped out on him. I thought that the eBay bid
was a contract that had to be honored. So much for the eBay contract
On 3/4/2012 8:24 PM, john robles wrote:
Hmm, shall we reconsider my original premise about shilling??
Shilling requires two bidders, the real one and the shill. Both would
show in the bid list.
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Bill
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Doesn't your Ace have the Genuine Edison Phonograph Parts endcap? :-)
John
From: clockworkh...@aol.com clockworkh...@aol.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE?
The seller
4, 2012 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
So the high bidder just crapped out on him. I thought that the eBay bid
was a contract that had to be honored. So much for the eBay contract.
Unless he himself put in the high bid??? If so he owes eBay the commission.
What am I
Look through his feedback, he is just finding stuff and throwing it up
for sale, has no idea what he is doing and if it is not in one of those
antique price guides he is lost.
On 03/04/2012 07:49 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote:
The seller is highly suspect in all of this. I sent him/her an
You can only get them at the ACE hardware in Orange, NJ... :)
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
From: clockworkh...@aol.com
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:49:50 -0500
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE?
The seller is highly suspect in all of this. I sent him/her an email about
-L] eBay Shilling??
t's a scam...
From: aph4...@aol.com
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:25:53 -0500
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
So the high bidder just crapped out on him. I thought that the eBay bid
was a contract that had to be honored. So much
than the other
hardware stores. So much for corporate ownership of local small businesses!
Art Heller
-Original Message-
From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:56 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison
Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on eBay. The
interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within a few
minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to
$1000. I call shilling. What do you think??
John Robles
PAT 1898
No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up.
- Original Message -
From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
Check this out..here is an Edison
phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on
eBay.
The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within
a
few minutes, bidding against himself each time
Shilling??
No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up.
- Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
Check this out..here
sure your Standards
were A models?
John
From: Bill Taney b...@taney.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 4:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
It's probably someone who doesn't know what the machine
both machines to compare.
Glenn
From: Bill Taney b...@taney.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Sat, March 3, 2012 7:21:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
It's probably someone who doesn't know what the machine is worth, they
both
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Sent: Sat, March 3, 2012 7:21:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
It's probably someone who doesn't know what the machine is worth, they
both have lots of feedback (the bidders). I can't imagine paying more than
500 bucks for that machine. The one interesting thing of note
: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
A yeah. I get it. I find it amazing anyone would bid that
much for a Standard though.
From: George Glastris glast...@comcast.net
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 4
a proxy bid for more than you are actually comfortable with paying,
because someone will try to get you to your max.
From: vinyl.visi...@live.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 11:04:39 -0500
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
Actually, this is the problem with placing
place a proxy bid for more than you are actually
comfortable with paying, because someone will try to get you to your max.
From: vinyl.visi...@live.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 11:04:39 -0500
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
Actually, this is the problem
A two minute Standard with no horn, no crane and no belt for $1,060? The seller
made out like a bandit... where are these buyers when I am selling something?
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 06:09:37 -0800
From: john9...@pacbell.net
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling
it is the video that sold it though.
On 03/03/2012 07:43 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote:
Thanks for the compliment, Steve...
From: steve_nor...@msn.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 18:36:04 -0500
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
where are these buyers when I am selling something
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