Ron, I totally agree with you about Facebook!
Still lurking,
Dennis
> On May 8, 2019, at 10:25 AM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L
> wrote:
>
> I was hoping my little jest would prompt some reaction from list members.
> Facebook has really screwed up mailing list participation but I still find
It's real.
Just Google "ebay hacked".
Dennis
>
> From: john robles
>To: Antique Phonograph List
>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 11:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Security Breach at ebay
>
>
>This looks suspiciously like a phishing attempt or something...I ha
Darrell,
I was bounced here (Phono-L) and I'm on Yahoo here.
I was also bounced on 78-L where I'm on Hotmail (msn related).
Just sayin'.
Dennis
>
> From: Darrell Lehman
>To: Antique Phonograph List
>Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 3:46 PM
>Subject: Re: [P
Nice!
I forwarded to Ori, my CPA son in-law in Atlanta.
Den
>
> From: "srsel...@aol.com"
>To: Phono-l@oldcrank.org
>Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 3:26 PM
>Subject: [Phono-L] Income tax - Walth Disney's take
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Today is April 15th and, with that in
From: DanKj
I still want a cement Edison cylinder phonograph !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Edison_phonograph_1912.jpg
Edison was way ahead of the music field with this, as the cement phonograph
would have been spectacular play
Terry,
I sent it to your email as you requested.
Let me/us know if this will do.
Dennis
From: Terry Baer
To: Antique Phonograph List
Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 7:55 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Complete List of Blue Amberols
Hello. Does someone have a c
Melissa,
I just sent you Charley's contact info offlist.
Dennis
--- On Sat, 4/20/13, Ricciband wrote:
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Subject: Re: [Phono-L] All dolled up! Edison Doll Parts Needed!
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Saturday, April 20, 2013, 4:50 PM
Thank you for the great lead, Dennis! Do yo
Hi Melissa,
Jean Paul Agnard has been selling the cylinders for the dolls. His first
cylinders were wax and VERY fragile, but he came out with an improved,
indestructible version. Here is his website:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/jean-paul.agnard/phonograph/reproduction.htm
You can see the cylin
Yes, it and it says how wonderful the Greeks are!
=
"LET US NOT FORGET---that the war could not have been won if the
Belgians, the British, the French and the "Eye-talians" had not fought like
bull-dogs in the face of overwhelming odds."
T.A.Edison
;-)
Dennis
--- On Sun, 1
>>Google: "was Thomas Edison anti
>>semitic"http://www.nndb.com/people/333/22267/
"Like his friend Henry Ford, Edison was virulently anti-Semitic and blamed Jews
for all of the world's major problems. "
Not meaning to start an argument, but if you Google somethin
And just like his good friend Henry Ford he was very anti-Semitic.
Abe,
I have studied Edison for some thirty years. Could you please give me some
concrete evidence that Edison was anti-Semitic?
Yes...we know that Ford idolized Edison, and we have proof of Ford's
antisemitism.
But where
Hi George,
One more for youH 25229.
Thanks,
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Years ago, I remember reading (probably in the APM) that one could approximate
the year of manufacturer of these Home machines by looking at the number of
thin black lines somewhere on the decal.
Anyone else remember this?
Dennis
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Have you tried posting your wants on the Mechanical Music Digest?
Many music box dealers and collectors read and post there.
http://www.mmdigest.com/
Good luck,
Dennis
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Subject: [Phono-L] off topic - discs for music box
To: phon
Hi Curt,
I checked it out. But the Edison Nutcracker was not what I was expecting.
I seriously thought you were talking about this Edison Nutcracker:
http://antiques.tace.com/items/pictures/pp40077.jpg
After a while I DID find your Edison Nutcracker, and the Victor, too. I
enjoyed the music.
What you have is definitely called a Royal Purple Amberol.
The numbers of the Royal Purples run from 28,101 up to 29007, according to my
data base.
The Royal Purples were Edison's answer to the Victor Red Seal records. They
were recorded by the upper crust performers (instrumentalists and voca
Vinyl Visions wrote:
>>>You guys have convinced me to buy one... that's scary.
Why buy one. You can MAKE one! ;-)
And BTW, your IPod dock using the old wood was superb
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I have to admit, I kind of like the faux wood finish of the horn. :-)
Dennis
--- On Sun, 9/16/12, Vinyl Visions wrote:
From: Vinyl Visions
Subject: [Phono-L] Super, Deluxe, Ultra-Rare, Unusual Crap-O-Phone
To: "phono-l@oldcrank.org"
Date: Sunday, September 16, 2012, 3:06 PM
http://ww
Anyone on the list ever knowingly buy a Crap-O-Phone? As in...on purpose?
Fess up. :-)
Ok.
I'll be first.
Years ago, I saw an octagonal cased crap-o-phone that I thought was kind of
cool looking. Someone from this list or the Phonolist said that they would
order a bunch of them and the p
I don't think it is THAT ridiculous.
Siam Soos are rare and very desirable.
To find one with the original box is very, very unusual!
Dennis
--- On Sun, 9/16/12, john robles wrote:
From: john robles
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What recession...???
To: "Antique Phonograph List"
Date: Sunday,
Jim,
Your tip about clearing the search was great!!!
I have often wondered how to get rid of the yellow highlighting on these
seaches. So a BIG thanks!!!
Dennis
--- On Thu, 8/16/12, Jim Nichol wrote:
From: Jim Nichol
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] World War I Victrola ad
To: "Antique Phonograp
Don't know how much a a help this will bebut.I found this:
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/9167847
It sold for $1000 a little over a year ago. The reproducer is obviously
different from the ebay example, and it DOES have both cabinet pulls.
Best,
Dennis
--- On Mon, 8/6/12, Vinyl
>>>he did not leave mean retalitary feedback for the one negative he got so I
>>>think he is good...
FWIWEbay sellers can no longer give a buyer a negative feedback. Ebay
initiated this some time in 2008. Of course a seller can still say negative
things about the buyer, but this must
Thanks to all that replied on this.
My friend said good results were gotten using the cold cream and a fingernail.
Dennis
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A friend just called me and asked if I knew of a way to get paint flecks off a
Blue Amberol cylinder, without damaging it.
I was thinking a pin or needle using a magnifying glass to gently dig the
flecks out?
Playing the cylinder the correct Diamond B reproducer might dislodge some of
the
Hi Curt,
If my memory is correct, that person was Elmer Jones. His widow, Juanita
continued to sell his repro Columbia coin op parts after he passed.
She was doing this YEARS ago, so I don't know if she (or the parts inventory)
is still around.
There might be others that made parts though.
B
It seems that ebay has done another update and it not a good one for the
consumer.
What is happening now is that when an auction is over (completed) ebay has now
removed the seller's pictures that were posted to the ebay server. The only
picture remaining is a very small thumbnail which is par
What phonograph?
There was a phonograph there?
;-)
Dennis
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http://www.fotoblur.com/images/41694
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You are inspiring me to go upstairs and neaten my up a bit, and dust and
vacuum as well !
==
With all this "tidying up" talk.I just vacuumed and dusted my phono room.
I now have a BAD allergy attack!!! Thank you all very much!!!
;-)
;-p
In all seriousness.nice room,
since Charles McCarn who has an enormous collection and has been collecting
for 40 or 50 years has never come across one... besides, what can the
survival rate of a disposable cardboard box actually be?
Perhaps Charles in his 40 or 50 years, has not had the o
Jim Nichol wrote:
I saw this test tube first in 1997. I almost fell over. I had just read
a science fiction book called "Edison's Last Breath". The premise was
that Edison's last breath AND his soul were captured in a test tube,
which was opened in the recent years by a kid. The kid spent the r
"Perfektone" was the coined name of the Heywood-Wakefield soundboxes,
the way "Exhibition" was the coined name of the soundboxes on most
Victors.
Cheers all,
Tim Fabrizio
==
I have a Heywood-Wakefield upright phonograph with a Heywood-Wakefield
ID.plate on
>>>From: Peter Fraser
>>The rest of us enjoyed it too, except maybe the guy who originated the "keep
>>it off the list" thread!
FWIW.I'm that guy and I was LOL at it. My wife even thought it was funny,
too!
Dennis
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From: Rich
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I'll buy that and what is your address? - A favor
To: "Antique Phonograph List"
Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2011, 8:19 AM
It is not a big deal John, I know how the DELETE key works.
Dear Rich and the group,
I assure you I
Could I ask a favor from the list members?
When you are buying something from someone on the listPLEASEreply only
to the person you are buying from, and to the Phono-L.
And if you are SELLING something, please reply only to the buyer.
Please?
In the past week, we have had close to a
well if you don't want it
send it to florida
zono
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Better be a wee bit more specific than that, Zono.
;-)
Dennis
(in Florida)
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Anybody know what happened to Dr. Phillip Peterson, the former Stanford U.
professor that stole thousands of Edison documents from the Edison Site back in
the 1980"s?
Some of the documents were phonograph related.
All I could find was that he was imprisoned, granted parole, but then later
a
but one is supposed to present the package TO a clerk if it weighs 13
ounces or more. (security).
allen
--
I believe that the sign says no "STAMPED" items can be more than 13.
I take this to mean that if you have PRINTED your postage, you ca
One other thing to consider is that PayPal shipping's maximum for insurance is
$500.
To get around standing in line, I use the USPS.com site then, and can select
insurance for up to $5,000 in value.
Dennis
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While you all are talking about the bronze, oxidized Victor R...it brings back
a fond memory of mine.
My first front mount was a Victor P that I purchased in 1973. I really knew
nothing about phonographs back then. I DID have sense enough to know that the
Thorens reproducer was "most likely"
>>>The item has been removed so I sense the seller was found out...
No, it's there.
Here is the item number:
180604116113
Dennis
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>>>The reproducer was on the wrong side of the record. (Backward!)
That's not creepythat's just plain old demented. ;-)
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>>>All of that cataloguing sounds strangely like work...
I know you're kidding, but really...one should think of it as part of the fun
of collecting.
In addition, when you depart, your loved ones or beneficiaries will have an
idea of what each item is worth.
Further, you have a record for insu
>>>Are you using a particular software that's geared for cataloguing, or
>>>standard applications like Word or Excel?
-
Andy,
When I started out with this data base, I was using Appleworks. :-)
That was back in 1983. I have since moved on into the PC world and in the
ea
But I had to stop bidding on record auctions because I kept winning the
same records over and over again. Did it again 2 weeks ago.
I solved this problem by starting and keeping a data base of what I bought.
With records, I list title and number. If I see s
>>>What did I miss... something serious?
I'll give you a hint. It has something to do with the pack of replacement
needles on the right and the needle cups on the left. ;-)
Happy Turkey Day to all,
Dennis
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Remember the thread last month about the Phonotop?
I have one of these and I made a video of it (with sound) in case you want to
see it in action.
I have put it up for sale on ebay and you can see it here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/PHONOGRAPH-TOP-Play-Any-Tune-MUSICAL-TOY-orig-box-/150512781245?pt=LH
A friend of mine is looking for a repro Let Us Not Forget BA cylinder top
label.
I can't remember who was doing these.
Anyone here with a better memory than mine? :-)
Thanks,
Dennis
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Can anyone identify this reproducer and what machine is goes on?
I know it's from a Victor machine, as it obviously has the Nipper. It also
says "Victor" under the Berliner phono, so I assume it is from the USA, a
pre-dates the RCA takeover.
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l523/Dustcolle
from Rich
>>>fill tone arm with concrete?
Wouldn't that be a little hard on the records?
;-)
Dennis
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Ron,
Thanks for that info on John's Tizit.
You're google link didn't come out in the post, as it was a tad too large.
Here is the link to the original ad using a tinyurl.
http://tinyurl.com/29pnh64
Dennis
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>>>From Vinyl Visions:
>>>Jim, you are too critical... it's an "authentic" Chinese Victrola and very
>>>rare at that :)
It MUST be "rare."
It CERTAINLY is NOT "well-done!"
;-)
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From: john robles How would something like this get into public hands?
Of course, any items put up for sale anywhere could be stolen. But the item
shown in the Craigslist ad DO come up for sale, quite often.
They are minutes from board meetings, and taken from large binders containing
th
Yes.
I will email it to you.
Dennis
--- On Wed, 6/9/10, john robles wrote:
From: john robles
Subject: [Phono-L] Howard Hazelcorn
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 10:27 PM
Hello all
Anyone know how to get hold of Howard Hazelcorn? I had his email address when
he bough
Having never dealt with him, I can't comment on his personality.
I've dealt with him several times.
All pleasant experiences, and great quality merchandise.
Doing business across the border costs more than doing business across the
street, that's just a fact of life.
Dennis
Opera or Fireside? Let me think about it. ;-)
But seriously, yes.for my first cylinder machine, 28 years ago, I picked an
Edison Standard A over a 4 clip Standard. It was pointed out to me that the
particular 4 clip was a much quieter machine, not to mention probably more
valuable as it
>>> I just wanted to vent. >>>Thank you for listening!
>>>Now I have to find a nice victrola to replace my XVI...
John, I hear your frustration. But everything happens for a reason. In the
past, you've said you've made some great finds.
And about replacing your Victrola right nowthat's a
From: Mike Stitt
Leave 'em alone until it really needs to be helped by you or me. I wish
collectors would leave them untouched if not broken. 50 years from now if
not sooner some new collector will say who the hell put nylon in a 150 year
old machine
---
I agree with y
>>>Ah, the Chapelphone! (Cathedrola ? Kierkovox ? ) Now we need to see a
>>>house shaped >>>like a phono !
How about a phono with a lid made out of a toilet seat.
We would have a Crapperphone!
;-)
Dennis
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Hi Merle,
I did a quick google search of 1933 hits and came up with this link:
http://www.popculturemadness.com/Music/Pop-Old/1933.html
It lists the most popular songs of 1933. It also had a link for a 2 CD album
of 1930's hit songs.
http://www.amazon.com/30-Hits-30s-Various-Artists/dp/B00069
You got my curiosity up and I googled. I found a version of "Riding on the
Elevated Railroad" by Frankie Wallace. There is an excerpt of it here:
http://www.themadmusicarchive.com/song_details.aspx?SongID=36054
It was played on the Dr. Demento radio show of Feb. 1, 2009.
http://dmdb.org/cgi-b
--- On Wed, 1/13/10, aph4...@aol.com wrote:
I personally still feel that this machine looks quite well made for a copy.
Having not seen any pictures of an authentic version, I too, was still thinking
that parts of this
Sorry to report that Ms. Lambert passed away several years ago.
Dennis
--- On Fri, 10/9/09, wayne wrote:
From: wayne
Subject: [Phono-L] Ruth Lambert contact info needed
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 10:36 AM
Hello all.Can anyone please provide me with a current
If you're thinking about a replacement onetry some poster board.
Use black or some other bland color and trace your old cone. I did this once
and it works fine.
Dennis
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Good to know. I don't have that book either. I was going by the high
position of the crank, mostly.
Ron L
-Original Message-----
From: phono-l-boun...@o
Not sure if this was discussed here, but I mentioned Living Pictures to my
wife, asking her if she had ever heard of it.
She said, "Sure, it was in an episode of the Gilmore Girls ! "
It was featured in season 4, episode 7.? I've not seen it myself, but my wife
tells me they reenacted several s
e
remaining numbers indicate stampers and mould numbers.
Bruce
- Original Message -
From: "Dennis Back"
To: "Antique Phonograph List"
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:43 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Diamond Disc numbering (LABEL) question
> What is the number at the BOT
What is the number at the BOTTOM of the record label?
I know the cat.? number is the one with the L & R,? but I can't recall what the
bottom number is.
Thanks,
Dennis
My mother (a doll collector) believes it's SFBJ not a Jumeau. She researching
it from a DOLL collector's angle.
Will let you know if I hear anything.
Dennis
AllenAmet at aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 5/24/2008 11:30:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
phono-l at cylinder.de writes:
Sure
--- Robert Wright wrote:
> Wow, John! Very nice. Edison do any refigerators?
Actually, Edison did not "do" sewing machines. The
machine was made by GE/Hotpoint. Some of the models
had "Edison Electric Appliance Co." on them. These
were not made by Edison either. But they are a
wonderful c
--- john robles wrote:
> Thoughts on
> it??
>
I think it looks just like mine. ;-)
Dennis
Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.
http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/
From john9...@pacb
--- Gregory Acker wrote:
> displayed and demonstrated 6 cylinder machines and 6
> disc machines.
Why that many? I've done demos at my school for 30
years and I would think that 6 & 6 would be a bit of
an overkill.
Dennis
--- Anil Menon wrote:
> . What is the
> significance of the numbers
> and are there instances of reproducers not having
> any serial numbers?
I hope whoever reports back with the information will
mention the numbers (or lack of) on the Paul Baker
REPRODUCTION reproducers that were almost i
--- john robles wrote:
> I did. New small format. Different, but I think I
> like it.
> John Robles
John,
Then you must be missing LAST months issue. :-)
That's when they started the new format.
Dennis
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--- pjfra...@alamedanet.net wrote:
> ... and altho we
> don't do that in our
> old cars (baseball or "oldies" AM stations fit well
> in 60's vintage stuff)
> there're lots of nice portable ipod speaker systems
> out there.
Great speakers for this. Thanks for the link.
But...I my mind, having t
Ok...since we now are replying ON list,
1931 Ford Model A Sport Coupe
1963 Ford Falcon convertible
Come to think of it. when I take my Sport Coupe
out, I have a Mikkiphone pocket phonograph hanging
from the dash, with 78's of "Henry's Made a Lady out
of Lizzie" and "Since Henry Ford Apologiz
--- Walt wrote:
> It looks
> like Dennis won't have to dig for as many mason jars
> as he originally
> thought! .
> I think I would scrounge up a couple hundred
> thousand (and ask Dennis for
> some mason jars)
Ok Walt. I believe in sharing. Here you go (see
link b
I was trying to write an ebay bidder (non-phonograph
related) about an item they were bidding on that was
incomplete, but the seller didn't mention this.
I clicked on the bidder's name, which took me to his
feedback page. I clicked on contact the member. I
wrote a message. When I tried to send
DEATH BREATH.
Back to thoughts of his BIRTH instead, I say!
> --- Dennis Back wrote:
> Could have been EVEN WORSE. He could of taken one of
> those limited edition DEATH MASKS of Edison that were
--- john robles wrote:
> I could play my bagpipes. No, really.
But don't HARP on it.
;-)
For those that don't know, John also plays the harp
(magnificently I might add).
Dennis
Never miss an email a
s. It was trying to look old--but maybe it
was buried in the ground for a while!
---Art Heller
From back...@yahoo.com Thu Jan 25 17:24:11 2007
From: back...@yahoo.com (Dennis Back)
Date: Thu Jan 25 17:24:29 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay item
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <283167.20014...@web35
- Original Message
From: Larsons.
<<>>
YES That's right. Same here. What made me get my first wind-up was seeing
Roland Gelatt's "Fabulous Phonograph" in a library. That's when I tried to
find an outside horn phono and ended up with the Silvertone (which I still
have).
I can pic a HMV too :)
Cheers,
Mario
- Original Message -
From: "Dennis Back"
To: "Antique Phonograph List"
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The List and Excitment about phonographs
> I was 15 and my father took me to an antique dealer
Edison fans should appreciate this.
While searching the net I found a copy of the Lux
Radio Theater's "Young Tom Edison" from Dec. 1940,
starring Mickey Rooney. This is a STAGE PLAY version
of the movie and is about an hour long.
http://www.archive.org/details/KIBMChristmasPlayhouse
Scroll do
--- john robles wrote:
> 4M but
> are made of wax that has become very brittle with
> time. Those can only be played on an Edison cylinder
> player with a model H reproducer
You can also play the 4M wax with an Edison K
reproducer (which has 2 styli on it). The model K
will play both 2
--- Albert wrote:
> curious that the seller has lots of good feedback,
> but almost always as a
> buyer
The thing isthis guy/crook, keeps hijacking
unsuspecting user's accounts. They don't even KNOW
they are hijacked when he puts the items up.
The guy has hundreds of items that he cons
--- Peter Fraser wrote:
> be sure to not allow any
> moisture to
> contact the plaster core.
This is very true. That being said, I will share this
moisture story with you.
In 1992, my house (Florida) was hit rather hard by
Hurricane Andrew. My collection room was in shambles
from
Lorancongrats to you and your family.
On feeling old, you may now change your name to
"VERYoldcrank.":-)
Dennis
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Hi,
I'm looking for a redroducer for a Burns Pollock
Capitol Phonolamp.
If anyone has one, or sees one at Union, please let me
know.
Thanks,
Dennis
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--- Andrew Baron wrote :
> it is doubtful that
> Edison would have
> deigned to allow the inclusion of Tesla's letter
> among the 13 out of
> the hundreds that were chosen to be printed in the
> EPM.
Andy,
Thanks for this interesting info.
This got me thinking, so I'm going to ask you
--- Peter Fraser wrote:
> next comes the video chat...so we can show each
> other our toys!
They have that now, right??? With AOL IM and Yahoo
Messenger.
Dennis
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--- Peter Fraser wrote:
> yes indeed, and built into every Macintosh computer
> - "iChat AV"
You lucky Mac users The only thing built into our
Windows computers is VIRUSES. ;-)
Dennis
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--- Bruce Mercer wrote:
> I hope the buyer has
> some recourse when buyer's
> remorse sets in.
Buyer's remorse? A serious buyer would more than
likely think he is getting something very valuable
since other bidders were willing to pay nearly as high
a price. But in reality.those "other bi
--- Richard Rubin wrote:
> how would you all feel
> about contacting
> bidders before the auction ends What, in your
> opinions, are the moral and ethical implications in
> this?
>
Richard,
I have written bidders in the past, giving them info
on items where a seller might have have b
--- "Loran T. Hughes" wrote:
> It
> would also be nice if
> eBay provided an escrow service through PayPal.
I remembered seeing something about esrow on ebay a
few years ago. I googled and found an escrow service
that sellers can link their items to. Their name is
www.escrow.com (what else?
--- "Vince C." wrote:
> Does anyone have the name, phone number, and email
> of the person I contact
> to get a certificate of when a Regina music box was
> manufactured.
>
Vince,
Doing a quick google search I came up with this at the
Music Box Society:
http://www.mbsi.org/mart.php
Seems lik
--- Dan Kjeldgaard wrote:
> My question: Would you PLAY a cylinder that cost
> you more than $800 ?
A Blue Amberol? Yes, with a decent Diamond B
reproducer. With a K reproducer, I would probably
wear the stylus out before the record.
As far as playing an $800+ WAX cylinder? One time t
Maybe the "sick" comment was intended for the FAKE
Idelia that was discussed before, and not the REAL
one, which just sold?
Dennis
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--- Ken Danckaert wrote:
> Maybe someone knows a good source for stains
> or finishes that
> help you get a match. Is there a magical technique
> out there?
Ken,
You might try the Antique Phonograph Supply Co.
(Dennis & Patti Valenti). They have a section of
stains on their website:
http://www
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