Re: [PHP-DEV] Possible problem in the parser

2003-03-12 Thread Sascha Schumann
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Andrey Hristov wrote: Few minutes ago I found the following behaviour somehow wierd for me : Known bug, the associativity of the ternary operator has been broken since ages in the engine. It's on the won't be fixed sheet, because of BC concerns. - Sascha

Re: [PHP-DEV] Possible problem in the parser

2003-03-12 Thread Andrey Hristov
- Original Message - From: Sascha Schumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andrey Hristov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Possible problem in the parser On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Andrey Hristov wrote: Few minutes ago I found

Re: [PHP-DEV] Possible problem in the parser

2003-03-12 Thread Andrey Hristov
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Andrey Hristov wrote: Few minutes ago I found the following behaviour somehow wierd for me : Known bug, the associativity of the ternary operator has been broken since ages in the engine. It's on the won't be fixed sheet, because of BC concerns. Is it

[PHP-DEV] Another one

2003-03-12 Thread Andrey Hristov
The following : ?php $a = 1; $b = $a==1? 4,5:6; printf(a[%d]b[%d]\n, $a, $b); ? gives Parse error: parse error, unexpected ',' in /home/storage/ternary.php on line 3 Similar C program compiles without problems. Is this also known? Andrey P.S. I obey I won't search for more such stuff today :)

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Derick Rethans
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Sascha Schumann wrote: The list could be renamed so that it is less confusing for newbie PHP developers. What is confusing with this description? Internals list A medium volume list for those who want to help out with the development of PHP (from

Re: [PHP-DEV] Possible problem in the parser

2003-03-12 Thread Derick Rethans
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Andrey Hristov wrote: Few minutes ago I found the following behaviour somehow wierd for me : ?php $a = 1; $b = $a==1? 4:$a==2? 5:6; printf(a[%d]b[%d]\n, $a, $b); ? Prints : a[1]b[5] Similar C program : main() { int a,b; a = 1; b =

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Derick Rethans
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Jani Taskinen wrote: It was a 7 hour period. And not only today, this happens daily. (maybe not in this scale) For me, even 1 OT email is too much. (But it's propably just me, who is stupid enough to read EVERY email coming here.) I'm so

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Sascha Schumann
if even that description doesn't work, then nothing would work, not even changing the name. Well, it is obvious that some folks don't read that description and simply move forward, because php-dev sounds about right. They are PHP developers and so a list called php-dev makes

RE: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread David Sklar
On Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:41 PM, Derick Rethans wrote: On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Sascha Schumann wrote: The list could be renamed so that it is less confusing for newbie PHP developers. What is confusing with this description? Internals list A medium volume list for those who

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Derick Rethans
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Sascha Schumann wrote: if even that description doesn't work, then nothing would work, not even changing the name. Well, it is obvious that some folks don't read that description and simply move forward, because php-dev sounds about right. They are PHP

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Steph
php-dev-team might lose a few.. - Original Message - From: Sascha Schumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Jani Taskinen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV if even that

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Sascha Schumann
Let's ask the mysql guys, they did change the name too. (I think that we atleast agree that the noise is annoying, right?) Not really. Maybe I'm more used to skipping noise. - Sascha -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit:

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Michael Bretterklieber
Hi, Derick Rethans wrote: On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Sascha Schumann wrote: if even that description doesn't work, then nothing would work, not even changing the name. Well, it is obvious that some folks don't read that description and simply move forward, because php-dev sounds about right.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Shane Caraveo
Sascha Schumann wrote: if even that description doesn't work, then nothing would work, not even changing the name. Well, it is obvious that some folks don't read that description and simply move forward, because php-dev sounds about right. They are PHP developers and so a list

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Derick Rethans
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Shane Caraveo wrote: Aside from renaming the php-dev list, we should remove the 'PHP and Zend Engine internals lists' from the regular mailing list page, put them in a 'developers' section (name isn't important) that describes cvs access, dev email lists, how to build

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Steph
A couple thoughts Aside from renaming the php-dev list, we should remove the 'PHP and Zend Engine internals lists' from the regular mailing list page, put them in a 'developers' section (name isn't important) that describes cvs access, dev email lists, how to build (ie. win32 libraries),

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 /tests/classes interface_class.phpt interface_doubled.phpt interface_implemented.phpt interface_instantiate.phpt interface_member.phpt interface_method.phpt interface_method_final.phpt interface_method_private.phpt interface_must_be_implemented.phpt

2003-03-12 Thread Marcus Börger
At 14:53 12.03.2003, Andrei Zmievski wrote: I have 2 questions: 1. Do the interface functions have to be explicitly specified as abstract? interface Foo { function bar(); } Because this runs fine for me with no errors. They don't have to (currently) I weote the tests with abstract as i

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Sascha Schumann
Aside from renaming the php-dev list, we should remove the 'PHP and Zend [snip] Sounds good. Then another item that might be considered if it is not already done, allowing posts only from those that have cvs access. A second conditional list of allowed posters can be added that are

Re: [PHP-DEV] Need some ZE2 functions exported.

2003-03-12 Thread Marcus Börger
At 15:54 12.03.2003, l0t3k wrote: im trying to do some namespace related experimentation but im getting the Have a look at spl (http://marcus-boerger.de/php/ext/spl/) how that works without modyfing the engine. regards marcus -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 /tests/classes interface_class.phpt interface_doubled.phpt interface_implemented.phpt interface_instantiate.phpt interface_member.phpt interface_method.phpt interface_method_final.phpt interface_method_private.phpt interface_must_be_implemented.phpt

2003-03-12 Thread Andrei Zmievski
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Marcus Börger wrote: a class can only extend ONE class/interface but it can implement multiple interfaces. If you ask me i would not allow extending interfaces at all. That's what I was thinking too. -Andrei http://www.gravitonic.com/

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Greg Beaver
I propose a rename to php.c-internals.dev This leaves no confusion, it is about developing in C and C++ the language of PHP. I think restricting to those with cvs accounts is not the best solution. It excludes first-time users who have a useful patch from posting a message. Regards, Greg

Re: [PHP-DEV] Possible problem in the parser

2003-03-12 Thread Marcus Börger
At 18:42 12.03.2003, Derick Rethans wrote: On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Andrey Hristov wrote: Few minutes ago I found the following behaviour somehow wierd for me : ?php $a = 1; $b = $a==1? 4:$a==2? 5:6; printf(a[%d]b[%d]\n, $a, $b); ? Prints : a[1]b[5] Similar C program : main()

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Sterling Hughes
Then another item that might be considered if it is not already done, allowing posts only from those that have cvs access. A second conditional list of allowed posters can be added that are people who do not have cvs access, but we want to allow to post. Otherwise, the list can be

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 /tests/classes interface_class.phpt interface_doubled.phpt interface_implemented.phpt interface_instantiate.phpt interface_member.phpt interface_method.phpt interface_method_final.phpt interface_method_private.phpt interface_must_be_implemented.phpt

2003-03-12 Thread Andrei Zmievski
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: I have seen extended interfaces quite often in the Java world. IIRC, the following code currently runs without problems and it should stay that way, if it does not harm us in any way: ?php interface Foo {} interface Bar

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Sterling Hughes
On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 12:50, Sascha Schumann wrote: Let's ask the mysql guys, they did change the name too. (I think that we atleast agree that the noise is annoying, right?) Not really. Maybe I'm more used to skipping noise. *exactly* my point btw. We skip noise, skip noise, skip

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Marcus Börger
At 18:50 12.03.2003, Steph wrote: php-dev-team might lose a few.. ...think f..ing hard..read.oh php-dev-team...thinkCOOL, they solve my problem, i'm getting better at it and finally a team member COOL what ever name we give this list draws attention to newbies as long as it contains the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Andrei Zmievski
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Sterling Hughes wrote: It doesn't. They are free to send the mail to whomever they like, even put up a website with their ideas. They are not censured, they are restricted. In what country can you walk onto the floor of the congress (parliament) without sponsorship?

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 /tests/classes interface_class.phptinterface_doubled.phpt interface_implemented.phpt interface_instantiate.phptinterface_member.phpt interface_method.phpt interface_method_final.phptinterface_method_private.phpt interface_must_be_implemented.phpt

2003-03-12 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
Andrei Zmievski wrote: class blah implements interface is confusing. That is possible? It shouldn't be ;-) -- Sebastian Bergmann http://sebastian-bergmann.de/ http://phpOpenTracker.de/ Did I help you? Consider a gift: http://wishlist.sebastian-bergmann.de/ -- PHP

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Marcus Börger
A couple thoughts Aside from renaming the php-dev list, we should remove the 'PHP and Zend Engine internals lists' from the regular mailing list page, put them in a 'developers' section (name isn't important) that describes cvs access, dev email lists, how to build (ie. win32 libraries),

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Steph
So how about a first post response system, similar to the subscription response. That first post would not actually be posted to the email list, but rather an email would be sent back to the poster stating the purpose of the email list, and what kind of materials are expected on the list.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 /tests/classes interface_class.phptinterface_doubled.phpt interface_implemented.phpt interface_instantiate.phptinterface_member.phpt interface_method.phpt interface_method_final.phptinterface_method_private.phpt interface_must_be_implemented.phpt

2003-03-12 Thread Shane Caraveo
Andrei Zmievski wrote: On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: I have seen extended interfaces quite often in the Java world. IIRC, the following code currently runs without problems and it should stay that way, if it does not harm us in any way: ?php interface Foo {}

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Magnus M !gnus X
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:47:27 -0800 Shane Caraveo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So how about a first post response system, similar to the subscription response. That first post would not actually be posted to the email list, but rather an email would be sent back to the poster stating the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Derick Rethans
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Magnus [ISO-8859-1] M ![ISO-8859-1] gnus X^B wrote: On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:47:27 -0800 Shane Caraveo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So how about a first post response system, similar to the subscription response. That first post would not actually be posted to the email

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Weston Houghton
This worries me somewhat. I do not have a CVS account. I do not actively develop and contribute to the PHP sourcecode right now, however my company uses php very very much. I would like to keep up to date on what is happening with the development team and figuring out what directions they are

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Steph
snip If the post does not match this criteria, please send it to on of the other lists, otherwise respond to this email and your original message will go out. And they would probably not read it, just read the part how to get the email to the list. They don't read the comment what purpose

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Sterling Hughes
On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 14:00, Weston Houghton wrote: This worries me somewhat. I do not have a CVS account. I do not actively develop and contribute to the PHP sourcecode right now, however my company uses php very very much. I would like to keep up to date on what is happening with the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Andrey Hristov
This worries me somewhat. I do not have a CVS account. I do not actively develop and contribute to the PHP sourcecode right now, however my company uses php very very much. I would like to keep up to date on what is happening with the development team and figuring out what directions they are

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Weston Houghton
A secondary followup, as I do work on php extensions, I do think that questions regarding those would fall to this list, but again might not require a cvs account? Just playing Devil's Advocate to some extent here. Wes On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 01:45 PM, Sterling Hughes wrote: On

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Brian Foddy
Shane Caraveo wrote: Then another item that might be considered if it is not already done, allowing posts only from those that have cvs access. A second conditional list of allowed posters can be added that are people who do not have cvs access, but we want to allow to post. Otherwise, the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Sascha Schumann
Yes, because getting a cvs account is just *s* hard. The problem is that you easily lose valuable postings when you force people to go through some restrictive system. I'm especially worried about inter-group communication. E.g. where php-dev is involved in a discussion

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 /tests/classes interface_class.phpt interface_doubled.phpt interface_implemented.phpt interface_instantiate.phpt interface_member.phpt interface_method.phpt interface_method_final.phpt interface_method_private.phpt interface_must_be_implemented.phpt

2003-03-12 Thread Marcus Börger
At 19:57 12.03.2003, Shane Caraveo wrote: A class extending an interface seems just weird to me. classes should only extend classes, and implement interfaces. interfaces can extend interfaces. I haven't been following the interfaces stuff (I'm going to have to backtrack and read it all, very

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Derick Rethans
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Shane Caraveo wrote: But for the sake of writing...here's another idea. So how about a first post response system, similar to the subscription response. That first post would not actually be posted to the email list, but rather an email would be sent back to the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Marcus Börger
At 20:00 12.03.2003, Weston Houghton wrote: This worries me somewhat. I do not have a CVS account. I do not actively develop and contribute to the PHP sourcecode right now, however my company uses php very very much. I would like to keep up to date on what is happening with the development

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Sascha Schumann
You lose: You lose time for implementing and maintaining this system, and you lose time for moderating emails. You also reduce the incentive to contribute. Again, let's take the less intrusive steps first and leave the heavy handed ones as a last resort. - Sascha --

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Derick Rethans
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Sascha Schumann wrote: You lose: You lose time for implementing and maintaining this system, and you lose time for moderating emails. You also reduce the incentive to contribute. I lose time to reply to them now too and copy and pasting my stuff, I lose

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 /tests/classes interface_class.phpt interface_doubled.phpt interface_implemented.phpt interface_instantiate.phpt interface_member.phpt interface_method.phpt interface_method_final.phpt interface_method_private.phpt interface_must_be_implemented.phpt

2003-03-12 Thread Andrei Zmievski
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Marcus Börger wrote: interface JAZ {} interface FOO {} interface BAR extends FOO {} class foo implements FOO {} This works even though i do not like extends FOO. Why? Both C# and Java (AFAIR) allow interfaces to extend other interfaces. This doesn't - i hope -

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Magnus M 9 !
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:14:03 +0100 (CET) Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead of this it might be a better idea to make somebody's first post moderated, after it has been approved the poster is added to the allow list, if not he gets back a message like I copypaste everytime now

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 /tests/classes interface_class.phpt interface_doubled.phpt interface_implemented.phpt interface_instantiate.phpt interface_member.phpt interface_method.phpt interface_method_final.phpt interface_method_private.phpt interface_must_be_implemented.phpt

2003-03-12 Thread Marcus Börger
At 20:20 12.03.2003, Andrei Zmievski wrote: On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Marcus Börger wrote: This works even though i do not like extends FOO. Why? Both C# and Java (AFAIR) allow interfaces to extend other interfaces. Because of the second part of the answer. It is a little bit strange that an

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 /tests/classes interface_class.phptinterface_doubled.phpt interface_implemented.phpt interface_instantiate.phptinterface_member.phpt interface_method.phpt interface_method_final.phptinterface_method_private.phpt interface_must_be_implemented.phpt

2003-03-12 Thread Shane Caraveo
Marcus Börger wrote: At 20:20 12.03.2003, Andrei Zmievski wrote: On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Marcus Börger wrote: This works even though i do not like extends FOO. Why? Both C# and Java (AFAIR) allow interfaces to extend other interfaces. Because of the second part of the answer. It is a little bit

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 /tests/classes interface_class.phpt interface_doubled.phpt interface_implemented.phpt interface_instantiate.phpt interface_member.phpt interface_method.phpt interface_method_final.phpt interface_method_private.phpt interface_must_be_implemented.phpt

2003-03-12 Thread Andi Gutmans
At 08:53 AM 3/12/2003 -0500, Andrei Zmievski wrote: I have 2 questions: 1. Do the interface functions have to be explicitly specified as abstract? Nope. It shouldn't be allowed to be abstract because it's abstract by definition. interface Foo { function bar(); } Because this runs

RE: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread John Coggeshall
We'll see who reads this, any responses are welcome. I see a few different issues here: 1) People who want answers for a php-general message post it to the development forum. This is clearly because they do not understand the difference, as I doubt anyone wants to waste their own time posting a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Tom Sommer
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:31:56 -0500, John Coggeshall wrote: In any case, moderating this list would end up completely alientating everyone but those who are significant developers. I agree, I think changing the name is the way to go, and to remove it from the public mailing lists (or put it

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Philip Olson
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Sascha Schumann wrote: Yes, because getting a cvs account is just *s* hard. The problem is that you easily lose valuable postings when you force people to go through some restrictive system. I'm especially worried about inter-group communication.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Georg Richter
On Wednesday 12 March 2003 17:59, Jani Taskinen wrote: Of about 20 emails today, 6 were posted to wrong mailing list. And one of those generated a 5 email thread about not posting to wrong mailing list. (counting this one :) So I suggest we finally make this list MODERATED.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread David Hill \(php.net\)
Aside from renaming the php-dev list, we should remove the 'PHP and Zend Engine internals lists' from the regular mailing list page, put them in a 'developers' section (name isn't important) that describes cvs access, dev email lists, how to build (ie. win32 libraries), etc. As a newbie

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Andi Gutmans
This discussion itself is creating more spam than those emails people send. I agree with Sascha that we shouldn't take drastic measures. We still want to make it easy for people to join the PHP developer's community. I think the most interesting idea so far was Shane's first post response

[PHP-DEV] Newbie developer's information

2003-03-12 Thread Andi Gutmans
At 04:17 PM 3/12/2003 -0500, David Hill \(php.net\) wrote: As a newbie commiter, still wet behind the ears, I would have *really* appreciated a page that was a little clearer and a bit more up to date than what I started with. My sources of information README.CVS-RULES, the building from cvs web

[PHP-DEV] Re: Newbie developer's information

2003-03-12 Thread Sascha Schumann
* trying to build php4 head for two days, only to be told that I should be building PHP_4_3 or php5 head. Yes, it should be noted that you can use PHP_4, PHP_4_3 or php5. * forgetting about re2c, which is not mentioned anywhere that I could find, but I found through freshmeat and had

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Jani Taskinen
After reading all the comments, I came to conclusion that we will do the following compromise: 1. Rename the list to php-group 2. Separate the list entries in mailing-lists.php [DONE!] 3. Apply the same system as is in use for our @php.net addresses for

[PHP-DEV] Scope and namespace

2003-03-12 Thread Andrei Zmievski
Seeing as how we now have only one-level deep namespaces and classes (which is another topic), does it make sense to have both 'scope' and 'ns' fields in zend_op_array structure? I would think they can be merged into one. I still want to hear from Zeev about lack of nested classes/namespaces..

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Sascha Schumann
Jani, 1. Rename the list to php-group bad name for obvious reasons. Georg's suggestion of internals sounds ok to me. Or hackers from the FreeBSD community. 2. Separate the list entries in mailing-lists.php [DONE!] 3. Apply the same system as is in use for

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Jani Taskinen
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Sascha Schumann wrote: Jani, 1. Rename the list to php-group bad name for obvious reasons. Georg's suggestion of internals sounds ok to me. Or hackers from the FreeBSD community. internals,hackers,whatever, as long as it's not php-dev. :)

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Sascha Schumann
I wouldn't consider 3rd one that drastic. It has worked very well for me, I haven't got any spam to my php.net addy, but people who really wanted to send me email got through.. Well, maybe I am an exception, but I usually don't bother to register myself anywhere,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Tom Sommer
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 23:44:20 +0200 (EET), Jani Taskinen wrote: 1. Rename the list to php-group And the newsgroup? since lots of the spam comes from NNTP directly, I would think(?) -- Tom Sommer, denmark www.tsn.dk - www.dreamcoder.dk -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Jani Taskinen
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Sascha Schumann wrote: I wouldn't consider 3rd one that drastic. It has worked very well for me, I haven't got any spam to my php.net addy, but people who really wanted to send me email got through.. Well, maybe I am an exception, but I usually don't

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 /tests/classes interface_class.phpt interface_doubled.phpt interface_implemented.phpt interface_instantiate.phpt interface_member.phpt interface_method.phpt interface_method_final.phpt interface_method_private.phpt interface_must_be_implemented.phpt

2003-03-12 Thread Marcus Börger
At 21:12 12.03.2003, Shane Caraveo wrote: An interface should not implement an interface, only classes should implement interfaces. 'implement' infers that actual executable code is provided that implements an interface. Again, I haven't followed the interface stuff, and sorry for writting

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] Is PHP designed (have the capability) to access remote DB?

2003-03-12 Thread Michael Sims
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:39:36 - (GMT), you wrote: but your not. Please redirect further rants to [EMAIL PROTECTED] where they will be able to help. Careful...devnull.com is an actual domain. :-) Although giveashit doesn't seem to exist: 550 5.1.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] User unknown -- PHP

[PHP-DEV] Re: Segmentation violation

2003-03-12 Thread Matt
J, I will post an issue, but as far as I can tell the error is very intermittent. I don't have a consistent action that I do each time to cause the error. It is just randomly (as far as I can tell) throughout the application. But If you like I'll send some through J Smith wrote: How about

[PHP-DEV] Bug #22651 [Bgs]: mysql_errno/error failing to return a expected error after a failed connect

2003-03-12 Thread Stephen Thorne
Hi all. This bug was marked as Bogus, but is a real concern for us at ABR, as we may use many different databases on different servers in the course of generating a page using php. The long and the short of it is, we can't get an error message if connecting to a database fails, after we have

Re: [PHP-DEV] Need some ZE2 functions exported.

2003-03-12 Thread l0t3k
Marcus, i tried to use spl_functions.c and got the same errors. i think that because im building php as shared that those symbols must be exported for my code to work. l0t3k Marcus Börger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] At 15:54 12.03.2003, l0t3k wrote: im trying to

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Andi Gutmans
At 11:01 PM 3/12/2003 +0100, Sascha Schumann wrote: I wouldn't consider 3rd one that drastic. It has worked very well for me, I haven't got any spam to my php.net addy, but people who really wanted to send me email got through.. Well, maybe I am an exception, but I usually

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
We don't lose anything by giving the first two items some time to prove their usefullness. On the other hand, it is very likely that we will lose useful input, if we implement the third item prematurely. I disagree. Anyone here can handle replying because we already have

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Derick Rethans
On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Andi Gutmans wrote: At 11:01 PM 3/12/2003 +0100, Sascha Schumann wrote: I wouldn't consider 3rd one that drastic. It has worked very well for me, I haven't got any spam to my php.net addy, but people who really wanted to send me email got

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Derick Rethans
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Tom Sommer wrote: On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 23:44:20 +0200 (EET), Jani Taskinen wrote: 1. Rename the list to php-group And the newsgroup? since lots of the spam comes from NNTP directly, I would think(?) Some does, but not a lot. Derick --

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moderate PHP-DEV

2003-03-12 Thread Jn uavec
I think, on web page is bad text. User's don't know if is it for PHP developers or about _PHP_ developers.. Jan On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Jani Taskinen wrote: Of about 20 emails today, 6 were posted to wrong mailing list. And one of those

[PHP-DEV] compiling PHP_4_3

2003-03-12 Thread Corne' Cornelius
Hi, I compiled CLI version of PHP_4_3 this morning and it gave the following: php4/main/main.c:225: undefined reference to `zend_disable_class' php4/main/main.c:239: undefined reference to `zend_disable_class' Is this right ? won't PHP_4_3 compile with Zend version 1 anymore ? Corne' !Exclude

Re: [PHP-DEV] compiling PHP_4_3

2003-03-12 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Did you actually check out version 4.3? cvs co -r PHP_4_3 php4 Check your CVS/Entries file. You should see the branch name after each file. -Rasmus On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Corne' Cornelius wrote: Hi, I compiled CLI version of PHP_4_3 this morning and it gave the following:

RE: [PHP-DEV] compiling PHP_4_3

2003-03-12 Thread Jacques
Hi Corne, The latest stable works fine for CLI from http://snaps.php.net/ Regards --jm -Original Message- From: Corne' Cornelius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 9:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP-DEV] compiling PHP_4_3 Hi, I compiled CLI

Re: [PHP-DEV] compiling PHP_4_3

2003-03-12 Thread Corne' Cornelius
Yep, it's branch PHP_4_3 and ran a cvs update just before compiling -Corne' Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: Did you actually check out version 4.3? cvs co -r PHP_4_3 php4 Check your CVS/Entries file. You should see the branch name after each file. -Rasmus On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Corne' Cornelius wrote:

Re: [PHP-DEV] compiling PHP_4_3

2003-03-12 Thread Corne' Cornelius
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/php4/main$ cvs status main.c === File: main.cStatus: Up-to-date Working revision:1.512.2.16 Repository revision: 1.512.2.16 /repository/php4/main/main.c,v Sticky Tag: PHP_4_3

[PHP-DEV] Is PHP designed (have the capability) to access remote DB?

2003-03-12 Thread Patrick LOK
Is PHP designed (have the capability) to access remote DB? Is there any PHP developer willing to answer the question? ./pl

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP] Is PHP designed (have the capability) to access remote DB?

2003-03-12 Thread Clint Tredway
PHP can access any database that the server that PHP is running on can get to and has the correct permissions to get to the database. Clint -Original Message- From: Patrick LOK [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];

Re: [PHP-DEV] Is PHP designed (have the capability) to access remoteDB?

2003-03-12 Thread Derick Rethans
Stop posting user questions to the php-dev and php5-dev list, as I explained before. Derick On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Patrick LOK wrote: Is PHP designed (have the capability) to access remote DB? Is there any PHP developer willing to answer the question? ./pl --

[PHP-DEV] How to Connect remote DB server?

2003-03-12 Thread Patrick LOK
It is possible to connect a remote db server using x_connect? e.g. a PostgreSQL in server PSQLDB, ip=192.168.0.100 and a MSSQL server MSSQLDB, ip=192.168.0.110 I tried pgsql_connect(psqldb,administrator,) pgsql_connect(192.168.0.100,administrator,) but failed! Error is Unable to connect

Re: [PHP-DEV] php_gettext.dll

2003-03-11 Thread Edin Kadribasic
On Tuesday, Mar 11, 2003, at 03:35 Europe/Copenhagen, Nathan Fredrickson wrote: Hi, Is the CVS source out of date for gettext extension? The distributed php_gettext.dll dynamically loads libintl-1.dll. The php_gettext.dll I built from the CVS source is linked to gnu_gettext.lib. How can I

[PHP-DEV] Re: php4 /ext/fam fam.c /ext/fbsql php_fbsql.c /ext/hwapi hwapi.cpp /ext/hyperwave hw.c /ext/informix ifx.ec /ext/ingres_ii ii.c /ext/interbase interbase.c /ext/ircg ircg.c /ext/ldap ldap.c /ext/mbstring mbstring.c /ext/mssql php_mssql.c /ext/my

2003-03-11 Thread moshe doron
Renamed OnUpdateInt - OnUpdateLong to prevent further misunderstandings. # Intentionally left out any 'alias' for it, this way 3rd party extension # maintainers will really NOTICE the change. wl, right now the default php4 tree is broken for cygwin, is this what did u expected to gain?

[PHP-DEV] Some help with RegExp, please

2003-03-11 Thread fLIPIS
Hi all. I'm trying to deal with Regular Expressions, but somehow it is getting more difficult. I´m trying to do the folowing: Read a text and get all of the PHP code out of it, highlight it and then print all in nice HTML. I'm using this to get the PHP code: ereg(\?.*\?,$Text,$PHP_code); It

Re: [PHP-DEV] Some help with RegExp, please

2003-03-11 Thread Derick Rethans
Hello, please forward user questions to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailinglist, this list is for development _OF_ PHP, not development _with_ PHP. Derick On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, fLIPIS wrote: Hi all. I'm trying to deal with Regular Expressions, but somehow it is getting more difficult. I´m trying

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Opening files for write from php modules

2003-03-11 Thread Wez Furlong
Even so, its a very good idea to use streams for this; you will automatically make your extension safe_mode and open_basedir aware, virtual cwd aware and be able to avoid crippling limitations of certain OS (eg: Solaris can only fopen 256 files). These things are particularly important in a web

[PHP-DEV] Help with ereg()

2003-03-11 Thread fLIPIS
Hi all. I'm trying to deal with Regular Expressions, but somehow it is getting more difficult. I´m trying to do the folowing: Read a text and get all of the PHP code out of it, highlight it and then print all in nice HTML. I'm using this to get the PHP code: ereg(\?.*\?,$Text,$PHP_code); It

Re: [PHP-DEV] Help with ereg()

2003-03-11 Thread Derick Rethans
Hello, please forward user questions to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailinglist, this list is for development _OF_ PHP, not development _with_ PHP. Derick On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, fLIPIS wrote: Hi all. I'm trying to deal with Regular Expressions, but somehow it is getting more difficult. I´m trying

[PHP-DEV] New constants proposal

2003-03-11 Thread l0t3k
i suggest that we implement the constants NaN, as well as INFINITY (pos and neg if the RTL supports it). i have need of them in an extension, but they should be implemented in core or ext/standard. l0t3k -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit:

[PHP-DEV] Segfault

2003-03-11 Thread Andrei Zmievski
With the latest ZE2: ?php class Bar { function boo() { ::zoo(); } } Bar::boo(); ? -Andrei http://www.gravitonic.com/ The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck, is probably the day Microsoft starts making vacuum cleaners.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: php4 /ext/fam fam.c /ext/fbsql php_fbsql.c /ext/hwapi hwapi.cpp /ext/hyperwave hw.c /ext/informix ifx.ec /ext/ingres_iiii.c /ext/interbase interbase.c /ext/ircg ircg.c /ext/ldap

2003-03-11 Thread Jani Taskinen
Your cvs checkout is broken: # cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/repository co php5 And it works fine. --Jani On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, moshe doron wrote: Renamed OnUpdateInt - OnUpdateLong to prevent further misunderstandings. # Intentionally left out

[PHP-DEV] Re: Fix for bug #22386

2003-03-11 Thread J Smith
Er, wrong patch. Proper one is attached. J I wrote: The browscap extension is trying to load stuff into the object_store before it gets initialized, so this'll fix it. Entries from the browscap.ini file are now stored in straight hashes rather than objects, but the return value is still

Re: [PHP-DEV] [PATCH] OCI8 link failure (Tru64/AIX) (#22324)

2003-03-11 Thread Michael Mauch
Jani Taskinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still don't think we should be linking with libocijdbc8 in any case. Can you ask some Oracle support why their libs differ with same version but in different OSes?? I can try to do so [1], although I don't see what that will buy us. From

[PHP-DEV] Segfault with latest CVS

2003-03-11 Thread Martin Jansen
Hi, the following script makes this morning's CVS segfault: ?php require_once DB.php; ? DB.php is from the latest release of PEAR::DB. I can not provide a backtrace at the moment, but if you need one, just drop a mail. -- - Martin Martin Jansen

Re: [PHP-DEV] [patch] solaris getcwd() brokeness

2003-03-11 Thread Andi Gutmans
I think the patch is OK. I'm not extremely happy with it because I don't think it's very beautiful but I didn't have time to think of a better way of fixing it. I think he can go ahead and commit it but I'd like there to be comments in the source code to explain why those checks on

Re: [PHP-DEV] Segfault with latest CVS

2003-03-11 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
Martin Jansen wrote: ?php require_once DB.php; ? Most likely this will be caused by 856 $this-$key = $arr[$key]; as variable member access causes a segfault in the compiler. -- Sebastian Bergmann http://sebastian-bergmann.de/ http://phpOpenTracker.de/ Did I

[PHP-DEV] Flex check in configure

2003-03-11 Thread Dave Hill
Hi again, I am looking at the flex check in configure.in again. If flex is not present, or is not version 2.5.4 then you may get your environment dumped to stdout while running configure. This is due to the set command being run with no arguments. Although non-fatal - it certainly is

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