Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-30 Thread Lester Caine
Nathan Rixham wrote: What other languages and web techs do you currently use other than PHP? - if you include html or css please include version, if js then preferred libs, and whether client or server side. I'm trying to bring customers up to modern standards, but many STILL have W2k running

Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-30 Thread Per Jessen
Nathan Rixham wrote: What other languages and web techs do you currently use other than PHP? - if you include html or css please include version, if js then preferred libs, and whether client or server side. C, C++, assembler, xhtml, css2, xslt1, javascript(client), shell-script. What's

RE: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-30 Thread Per Jessen
Bob McConnell wrote: In chronological order - Languages: [snip] C++ (Still don't understand the purpose of objects or classes). Two words - encapsulation and abstraction. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.1°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit:

Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-30 Thread Per Jessen
Nathan Rixham wrote: (shared) hosts and in developer+projects - but I also worry that it doesn't change with the times quick enough, + the core doesn't have the same hacker + iterative development focus anymore, contrast other languages which get major functionality added at minor revisions,

RE: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-30 Thread Ford, Mike
-Original Message- From: Nathan Rixham [mailto:nrix...@gmail.com] Sent: 29 July 2010 06:36 in no particular order: What other languages and web techs do you currently use other than PHP? - if you include html or css please include version, if js then preferred libs, and whether

Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-30 Thread David McGlone
On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 22:28 -0400, Robert Cummings wrote: On 10-07-29 10:18 PM, David McGlone wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 22:14 -0400, Robert Cummings wrote: Early high school I used to program in basic on a TRS-80. Oh how I loved saving my programs to audio cassette. Later in high school

RE: RE: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-30 Thread Bob McConnell
From: Per Jessen Bob McConnell wrote: In chronological order - Languages: [snip] C++ (Still don't understand the purpose of objects or classes). Two words - encapsulation and abstraction. Both of which are euphemisms that simply mean obfuscation. I learned very early in my

RE: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-30 Thread Bob McConnell
From: Robert Cummings On 10-07-29 10:18 PM, David McGlone wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 22:14 -0400, Robert Cummings wrote: Early high school I used to program in basic on a TRS-80. Oh how I loved saving my programs to audio cassette. Later in high school I learned pascal and then later

RE: RE: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-30 Thread Per Jessen
Bob McConnell wrote: From: Per Jessen Bob McConnell wrote: In chronological order - Languages: [snip] C++ (Still don't understand the purpose of objects or classes). Two words - encapsulation and abstraction. Both of which are euphemisms that simply mean obfuscation. Certainly

Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-30 Thread Bastien Koert
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote: Bastien Koert wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I find myself wondering about the state of the PHP community (and related community with a PHP focus), so, here's

Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread Larry Garfield
On Thursday 29 July 2010 12:36:13 am Nathan Rixham wrote: Hi All, I find myself wondering about the state of the PHP community (and related community with a PHP focus), so, here's a bunch of questions - feel free to answer none to all of them, on list or off, or add more of your own

Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread Josh Kehn
On Jul 29, 2010, at 1:36 AM, Nathan Rixham wrote: Hi All, I find myself wondering about the state of the PHP community (and related community with a PHP focus), so, here's a bunch of questions - feel free to answer none to all of them, on list or off, or add more of your own

Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread Adam Richardson
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I find myself wondering about the state of the PHP community (and related community with a PHP focus), so, here's a bunch of questions - feel free to answer none to all of them, on list or off, or add more

Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread Larry Garfield
On Thursday 29 July 2010 02:07:58 am you wrote: Hi Larry, Thanks for taking the time to reply, a solid insightful one at that - kudos +1 for your opensource drupal efforts! Good of you to mention, and indeed to see, Palinter grasping opensource with two hands, this is certainly a very

Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread Nathan Rixham
Hi Josh, Thanks for taking the time - comments in-line from here :) Josh Kehn wrote: On Jul 29, 2010, at 1:36 AM, Nathan Rixham wrote: Hi All, I find myself wondering about the state of the PHP community (and related community with a PHP focus), so, here's a bunch of questions - feel free

Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread Nathan Rixham
Larry Garfield wrote: On Thursday 29 July 2010 02:07:58 am you wrote: Hi Larry, Thanks for taking the time to reply, a solid insightful one at that - kudos +1 for your opensource drupal efforts! Good of you to mention, and indeed to see, Palinter grasping opensource with two hands, this is

Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread Nathan Rixham
Larry Garfield wrote: On Thursday 29 July 2010 12:36:13 am Nathan Rixham wrote: Hi All, I find myself wondering about the state of the PHP community (and related community with a PHP focus), so, here's a bunch of questions - feel free to answer none to all of them, on list or off, or add more

Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread Nathan Rixham
Adam Richardson wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I find myself wondering about the state of the PHP community (and related community with a PHP focus), so, here's a bunch of questions - feel free to answer none to all of them, on list

RE: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread Mike Roberts
[mailto:nrix...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:36 AM To: PHP-General Subject: [PHP] the state of the PHP community Hi All, I find myself wondering about the state of the PHP community (and related community with a PHP focus), so, here's a bunch of questions - feel free to answer none

RE: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread Ashley Sheridan
/magazine/article.aspx?i=70379 -Original Message- From: Nathan Rixham [mailto:nrix...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:36 AM To: PHP-General Subject: [PHP] the state of the PHP community Hi All, I find myself wondering about the state of the PHP community

RE: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread Jay Blanchard
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Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread Nathan Rixham
/magazine/article.aspx?i=70379 -Original Message- From: Nathan Rixham [mailto:nrix...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:36 AM To: PHP-General Subject: [PHP] the state of the PHP community Hi All, I find myself wondering about the state of the PHP community (and related

Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread Peter Lind
On 29 July 2010 15:43, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote: have you sent an email to php-general-unsubscr...@lists.php.net ? I love how you guys are torturing the poor bastard *after* he made it clear he's tried *in several ways* to unsubscribe and *really* doesn't need more advice but a list

Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread tedd
Nathan: What other languages and web techs do you currently use other than PHP? - if you include html or css please include version, if js then preferred libs, and whether client or server side. Besides php, I use mysql, javascript (jQuery, ajax, DOM scripting), css, and html. As for

Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread Paul M Foster
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 06:36:13AM +0100, Nathan Rixham wrote: Hi All, I find myself wondering about the state of the PHP community (and related community with a PHP focus), so, here's a bunch of questions - feel free to answer none to all of them, on list or off, or add more of your own

RE: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread Bob McConnell
From: Nathan Rixham I find myself wondering about the state of the PHP community (and related community with a PHP focus), so, here's a bunch of questions - What other languages and web techs do you currently use other than PHP? - if you include html or css please include version, if js

Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread Joshua Kehn
On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:32 AM, Nathan Rixham wrote: Hi Josh, Thanks for taking the time - comments in-line from here :) Josh Kehn wrote: Java, JS (in the form of Node and MongoDB, +raw client / jQuery stuff) and PHP get used regularly. Python / Ruby infrequently. With true confirmation

Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread la...@garfieldtech.com
On 7/29/10 2:32 AM, Nathan Rixham wrote: What's your previous language/tech trail? Started with QBasic and realized it was crap. Moved on to Java, realized object rock but J2EE doesn't. Moved to PHP / Java. QBasic was crap lol, that was my first language after playing with .bat files! Oh

Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread Steve
On 7/28/2010 10:36 PM, Nathan Rixham wrote: Hi All, I find myself wondering about the state of the PHP community (and related community with a PHP focus), so, here's a bunch of questions - feel free to answer none to all of them, on list or off, or add more of your own - this isn't

Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
On 7/28/10 11:26 PM, Larry Garfield wrote: - Those driving PHP development itself (vis, writing the engine) don't seem to comprehend the idea of someone running a web site who isn't also a C developer, sysadmin, and performance specialist. If you don't have root then we don't care

Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread Bastien Koert
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I find myself wondering about the state of the PHP community (and related community with a PHP focus), so, here's a bunch of questions - feel free to answer none to all of them, on list or off, or add more of your

Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread Peter Lind
On 29 July 2010 07:36, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I find myself wondering about the state of the PHP community (and related community with a PHP focus), so, here's a bunch of questions - feel free to answer none to all of them, on list or off, or add more of your own

Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread Nathan Rixham
Bastien Koert wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I find myself wondering about the state of the PHP community (and related community with a PHP focus), so, here's a bunch of questions - feel free to answer none to all of them, on list or off

Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread Robert Cummings
On 10-07-29 01:36 AM, Nathan Rixham wrote: Hi All, I find myself wondering about the state of the PHP community (and related community with a PHP focus), so, here's a bunch of questions - feel free to answer none to all of them, on list or off, or add more of your own - this isn't for anything

Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread David McGlone
On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 22:14 -0400, Robert Cummings wrote: On 10-07-29 01:36 AM, Nathan Rixham wrote: Hi All, I find myself wondering about the state of the PHP community (and related community with a PHP focus), so, here's a bunch of questions - feel free to answer none to all of them

Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread Robert Cummings
On 10-07-29 03:35 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: On 7/28/10 11:26 PM, Larry Garfield wrote: - Those driving PHP development itself (vis, writing the engine) don't seem to comprehend the idea of someone running a web site who isn't also a C developer, sysadmin, and performance specialist. If you

Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread Robert Cummings
On 10-07-29 10:18 PM, David McGlone wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 22:14 -0400, Robert Cummings wrote: Early high school I used to program in basic on a TRS-80. Oh how I loved saving my programs to audio cassette. Later in high school I learned pascal and then later qbasic. Later still I studied

Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-29 Thread Jason Pruim
On Jul 29, 2010, at 1:36 AM, Nathan Rixham wrote: Hi All, Hey Nathan! I find myself wondering about the state of the PHP community (and related community with a PHP focus), so, here's a bunch of questions - feel free to answer none to all of them, on list or off, or add more of your

[PHP] the state of the PHP community

2010-07-28 Thread Nathan Rixham
Hi All, I find myself wondering about the state of the PHP community (and related community with a PHP focus), so, here's a bunch of questions - feel free to answer none to all of them, on list or off, or add more of your own - this isn't for anything specific, just out of interest and sure