Re: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra

2009-08-18 Thread Thejas Nair
I think we are creating unnecessary bureaucratic hurdles here by preventing contrib project from having a branch. I don't see why zebra has to use pig release branch, as the new pig release does not include it. The decisions are supposed to help keeping things open, but this seems to be forcing Ra

Re: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra

2009-08-18 Thread Raghu Angadi
Message- From: Raghu Angadi [mailto:rang...@yahoo-inc.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:49 AM To: pig-dev@hadoop.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra Milind A Bhandarkar wrote: Since zebra.jar is not included in pig.jar (I hope not), I can still

RE: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra

2009-08-18 Thread Santhosh Srinivasan
@hadoop.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra Milind A Bhandarkar wrote: > > Since zebra.jar is not included in pig.jar (I hope not), I can still use > stable zebra jar (binary) with latest pig compiled in trunk. The problem is that though the curren

Re: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra

2009-08-18 Thread Raghu Angadi
Milind A Bhandarkar wrote: Since zebra.jar is not included in pig.jar (I hope not), I can still use stable zebra jar (binary) with latest pig compiled in trunk. The problem is that though the current version is "expected to be" stable, it would still require some bug fixes. We essentially nee

Re: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra

2009-08-18 Thread Milind A Bhandarkar
Raghu, Since most of the bugfixes to Pig happen in trunk, I (and several folks that I know) tend to use pig trunk most often. It would be nice if I picked up Zebra enhancements along the way, as well. Since zebra.jar is not included in pig.jar (I hope not), I can still use stable zebra jar (bina

Re: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra

2009-08-17 Thread Raghu Angadi
Raghu Angadi wrote: Hi Santosh, There are two separate things : (a) voting a contributor as a committer (b) committing to a contrib project. [...] Reason for (a) is simple scalability. We can not monitor everything. If I meant to say "Reason for (b)" (why contrib commits are treated bi

Re: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra

2009-08-17 Thread Raghu Angadi
The reason for a branch is purely based on fair number of improvements we are planning for Zebra and our desire to have a stable Zebra implementation for users to use along with PIG on Hadoop-0.20. New features planned (jiras will be filed soon) : * Column security (different permissions f

Re: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra

2009-08-17 Thread Raghu Angadi
Hi Santosh, There are two separate things : (a) voting a contributor as a committer (b) committing to a contrib project. (b): My experience with Hadoop is that "Contrib" by definition is very loosely coupled with core. By convention, we as committers to core (hdfs, mapred, etc) did not hav

RE: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra

2009-08-17 Thread Santhosh Srinivasan
-dev@hadoop.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra IANAC, but my (non-binding) vote is also -1. I think all the improvements and feature addition to zebra should be available through pig trunk. The codebase is not big enough to justify creating a branch. If

Re: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra

2009-08-17 Thread Arun C Murthy
That leaves us with contrib committers. Can you point to earlier email threads that cover the topic of giving committer access to contrib projects? Specifically, what does it mean to award someone committer privileges to a contrib project, what are the access privileges that come with such ri

RE: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra

2009-08-17 Thread Santhosh Srinivasan
e dos/don'ts, etc. Thirdly, are there instances of contrib committers creating branches? Thanks, Santhosh -Original Message- From: Arun C Murthy [mailto:a...@yahoo-inc.com] Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:18 PM To: pig-dev@hadoop.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal to create a branch f

Re: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra

2009-08-17 Thread Arun C Murthy
On Aug 17, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Santhosh Srinivasan wrote: Is there any precedence for such proposals? I am not comfortable with extending committer access to contrib teams. I would suggest that Zebra be made a sub-project of Hadoop and have a life of its own. There has been sufficient prece

RE: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra

2009-08-17 Thread Santhosh Srinivasan
precedent. Santhosh -Original Message- From: Olga Natkovich Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 5:37 PM To: Santhosh Srinivasan; 'pig-dev@hadoop.apache.org' Subject: RE: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra Over time the plan is to move Zebra to a subproject. Unt

RE: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra

2009-08-17 Thread Olga Natkovich
, August 17, 2009 5:27 PM To: Olga Natkovich; 'pig-dev@hadoop.apache.org' Subject: RE: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra Its good to know that Raghu Angadi is a PMC member and that he has committer rights to all subprojects. That's besides the point. The example

Re: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra

2009-08-17 Thread Milind A Bhandarkar
IANAC, but my (non-binding) vote is also -1. I think all the improvements and feature addition to zebra should be available through pig trunk. The codebase is not big enough to justify creating a branch. If the reason is Pig's dependence on a checked in hadoop jar, the shims proposal by Dmitry shou

RE: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra

2009-08-17 Thread Santhosh Srinivasan
From: Santhosh Srinivasan [mailto:s...@yahoo-inc.com] Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 4:39 PM To: Santhosh Srinivasan; pig-dev@hadoop.apache.org Subject: RE: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra My vote is -1 -Original Message- From: Santhosh Srinivasan Sent: Monday, Au

Re: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra

2009-08-17 Thread Yiping Han
+1 On 8/18/09 7:11 AM, "Olga Natkovich" wrote: > +1 > > -Original Message- > From: Raghu Angadi [mailto:rang...@yahoo-inc.com] > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 4:06 PM > To: pig-dev@hadoop.apache.org > Subject: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra > > > Thanks to the

RE: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra

2009-08-17 Thread Olga Natkovich
...@yahoo-inc.com] Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 4:39 PM To: Santhosh Srinivasan; pig-dev@hadoop.apache.org Subject: RE: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra My vote is -1 -Original Message- From: Santhosh Srinivasan Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 4:38 PM To: 'pi

RE: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra

2009-08-17 Thread Santhosh Srinivasan
Is there any precedence for such proposals? I am not comfortable with extending committer access to contrib teams. I would suggest that Zebra be made a sub-project of Hadoop and have a life of its own. Santhosh -Original Message- From: Raghu Angadi [mailto:rang...@yahoo-inc.com] Sent: M

RE: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra

2009-08-17 Thread Santhosh Srinivasan
My vote is -1 -Original Message- From: Santhosh Srinivasan Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 4:38 PM To: 'pig-dev@hadoop.apache.org' Subject: RE: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra Is there any precedence for such proposals? I am not comfortable with extending

RE: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra

2009-08-17 Thread Olga Natkovich
+1 -Original Message- From: Raghu Angadi [mailto:rang...@yahoo-inc.com] Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 4:06 PM To: pig-dev@hadoop.apache.org Subject: Proposal to create a branch for contrib project Zebra Thanks to the PIG team, The first version of contrib project Zebra (PIG-833) is com