On 2003-09-19 17:26:52 +0100 Michael Nordstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And to make things worse the mail also includes *everything* from
previous messages in the thread. How about removing most of the old
Top-posters and over-quoters on lists are routinely deleted by many
(hey, it's our time),
Dave Maddock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It would be cool to be able save urls in the pdbs metadata database
which a conduit could grab at hotsync time and add to an inclusion list
for that channel.
If Plucker were to save URLs to memopad with a particular category,
that may be sufficient for
Chris Hawks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It all ready does this. URLs and Hardcopy both write to the memopad
with a catagory of 'Plucker' (if there is is one, Unfiled if not).
I missed that in the documentation. For archive searchers, it's in
3.1.2 The Main Screen.
BTW: Mike released a
masakazu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are conduits for windows and macintosh.
MemoURL application and conduit for windows is available from:
http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconValley/6737/
This is not free software, which is annoying. Can you persuade them
to relicence?
More worrying,
Alan Hoyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
take http://nelson.oit.unc.edu/~alanh/tmp/plucker-feature-matrix.html to
use on their site, I've added a Creative Commons license to it. Or would
You are discriminating against commercial use, so I think this licence
is not very nice. Plucker can be used
Michael Nordstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Jun 02, 2003, Alexander R. Pruss wrote:
I assume you can turn this off? ARP
Yes, and it is off by default.
Argh! Another option! Why not use bold in the library to indicate unread
documents instead?
MJR
Alexander R. Pruss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. I myself don't need full UTF-8. I just need to make some quick-and-dirty
substitutions for quote marks, apostrophes and long dashes. So if someone
Look for unknown_charref in TextParser.py -- I wonder if this can be done
in a more general way
Ken Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there any objections to such a feature, or any technical obstacles in
implementing it in Plucker Desktop?
I think there's already a --stay-below=path option to plucker-build,
so if Plucker Desktop uses that, it should even not be too hard to
implement. It
David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The important thing is that if you change the _source_ to the
project, that those changes be available to the community, so they can
benefit from them. [...]
Note that while the above is the expressed wish of the maintainer (and
therefore A
Blake Winton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
wondered if Plucker wanted to start being a good web-citizen
and honouring robots.txt.
Plucker is not necessarily a robot, although it can operate as one. It
should support robots.txt only when it is recursing into a site, not when
downloading a single
David Starks-Browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...] Is it an intentional placeholder or forgotten or ... ?
I don't think Sourceforge allows you to delete projects. You can check out
any time you want, but you can never leave.
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Blake Winton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You say that as if it's an either/or choice. If Eugene wants
to work on making plucker more robust, who are we to stop him? [...]
Oh yes, plucker's Free Software, so if any new developer wants to
concentrate on that, then go ahead. I just didn't want
Eugene Y. Vasserman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...] how feasable it is to have plucker handle obvious html errors
intelligently. [...]
It's rather difficult to detect how to handle these obvious errors.
Normally, it means that the site authors' are depending on some display
logic error of
Chris Hawks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
my IIIx. I may be the only person on the web without a homepage, so, I
have nowhere to post them.
Free hosting services abound. Please use.
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Chris Combs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
s/\![^]*//g;
Won't that catch valid things like CDATA?
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Laurens M. Fridael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...] The Adobe SVG plug-in, for instance, is still way too heavy compared
to Flash and there aren't enough good SVG authoring tools for designers,
nothing that can compare with Flash MX, that is. [...]
There's a conversation just started on [EMAIL
Laurens M. Fridael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
it seems that SVG may not be in a happy place for free software
either, because of patents held on some of its core methods.
Akin to the LZW patent used by GIF? I'll take a look.
Actually, I think they're far more pervasive than that. With the GIF
Fringe Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I find a mailing list nearly ideal. The only detriments to it are that the=
odd message is flagged as spam by my filters and I haven't determined why,=
You need to add the lists to your whitelist or scorefile.
and that threads I care nothing about still
Robert O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-Others: maybe the marquee tag from MSIE 3.x days, and all the other non-
standard crap that has come and gone over the years.
Yes! We want blink in Plucker now!
Seriously, has anyone who asks for support for standards-breaking actually
thought the
Bill Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't find any SGML format to be a particularly tractable source
format. Reasonable for generated output, though. Or are there some
good WYSIWYG SGML editors that I've just missed out on?
qemacs can *edit* DocBook WYSIWYGish, although adding tags when
David McNab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there any way I can build a table in LaTeX which will be rendered
correctly once it goes through the LaTeX-latex2html-plucker-build
cycle?
Correctly in which way? I'd suggest a quick fix of making the table six
rows of numbers countin up, which will
Dennis McCunney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's not entirely a myth, unfortunately.
Show me the numbers. Real numbers, not the abstract estimates of publishers
associations. Find a particular piece of restricted work and detect a
disturbance in the sales series at the point where an illegally
Terence Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is why I disagree with the GPL as well as any DRM schemes, because
it forces authors down a certain path. [...]
You misunderstand the GPL's effect on author's rights. The GPL is only
concerned with guaranteeing all future users the same rights as
Dennis McCunney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But most of the folks I know at the moment are writers, artists, and
musicians trying to make a living out of what is essentially intellectual
property, who are _directly_ hurt by unrestricted sharing of thier
copyrighted work. I'm not concerned about
Bill Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm sorry, Richard, but I can't pass up pointing out inconsistent
philosophy. the GNU GPL is exactly Digital Restrictions Management.
I repeat: the GPL is enforced by the courts, not by software. Surely it is
not even digital?
MJR
Guylhem Aznar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Governments should not bother preserving outdated business models.
Consumers should not encourage outdated business models. Go buy some
copyleft work today.
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Ken Findlay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. Include the RTF2HTML program with the distribution (it's freeware) and
It's an executable for Windows only and its licence is not free enough to
allow it to be ported. Maybe a better idea would be to either provide hooks
for it, and maybe other similar
Brian:
It would be a bad standard if it required everyone to change all
their old pages every time the standard changed.
Where did I say it was required? I just said that pages that are that old
probably have other problems... however, I suspect that the problem here is
badly written HTML,
Kjetil:
_I_ know that, but some of the people who create content I'm
interested in, don't. I guess I could run everything through tidy or
similar before giving it to Plucker, but it seems a bit overkill and
inconvenient.
Better than that, if some recalcitrant web authors are still using
Dirk:
Me too. I just commented out the following lines in
/usr/lib/python2.0/site-packages/PyPlucker/PluckerDocs.py:
Argh! You're fixing the wrong problem! The real problem is not plucker
generating img, but the document you are converting not specifying the
contents of the alt attribute,
David:
Not a really good idea, since we send attachments to the list in
various formats. We just need to probably de-fang Windows DOC/pif formats
for the interim. Mark?
We do? I see some patches and so on drift past here, but not much else.
Why not just have these troublesome windows
[...] Instead, there could be
an additional program that the user runs manually which would read
the Memo database that has been hotsynced to the PC, would pull
out all the Memo records that were saved from the Plucker viewer,
create a temporary HTML file from them. The new program would
I'm wondering if you plan to include an option to copy selected text
to the clipboard in a future version of Plucker? iSilo 2.58 does this,
and it's the *only* reason I haven't deleted it from my Palm yet. =)
I should have an auto-responder answer these =)
What happened to the
Robert:
This is a nice example of what David was discussing in regards to the heavy
tolls being tossed onto the small independent content providers.
So where are the people promoting Plucker in that thread? I only read my
local palmtops group, as I don't have that much time or a particularly
David wrote:
I've got a guy volunteering already to help with the php-based front
end for Wucker (ok, I couldn't think of a name, Web Plucker), which is
[snip]
OK, I'll bite: php? Dear God, nooo!
Is plucker going for a record number of languages used, or something? ;-)
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David:
OK, I'll bite: php? Dear God, nooo! Is plucker going for a
record number of languages used, or something? ;-)
You forget whose house is right up the road, and whose house the Plucker
server is currently colocated within... Rasmus Lerdorf, author of php.
If I hammer the
David:
The language doesn't make bad code, programmers make bad code. Some
languages make it easier to write bad code, however, but I think that's also
dependant on the programmer's level of understanding of the actual code and
the objective. TMTOWTDI.
Language influences the way the
I guess the number of devices running 2.0 are less than 1% and it
would make more sense to strip out all the 3.x stuff from the viewer
to create a Lite version for those devices (they are already low on
memory). Anyone using 3.0 can upgrade to 3.3.
Are you sure on that? I'm fairly sure
David wrote:
I'll see if I can get Robert's gui or parts of it working in this,
just something to tinker with. You all know how I feel about Python.
...and you all know how most of us feel about *spit* Perl ;-)
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Gary:
I use sitescooper to create about a dozen plucker files each day. I usually
want to delete a file after reading it.
I understand your logic though.
I don't. I sync quite a few pages most times (when my Palm isn't ill like
it seems to be at the moment -- that's the last time I use hacks
http://foo.bar.com/bletch.html#tag
but there's no tag in bletch.html) is handled is to point the link
to the beginning of the page which presumably would have contained the
link (in the above example, to paragraph 0 of bletch.html).
[...]
change the parser to treat such URLs as excluded,
David:
Oh, you mean you block browsers which don't adhere to the Microsoft
standards... not the w3c standards... I see...
...and as I've just been saying elsewhere, manufacturer-controlled standards
are no standards at all.
Incidentally, I'm thinking of converting the
Brian:
(1) Is there a way to look at archived traffic from this list? The
Related question: how do I move to a digest subscription?
(2) Does Plucker support horizontal layout of tables?
The problem is finding a good algorithm for handling tables that don't fit
on the palm screen, I believe.
There is an excuses or reasons file or similar which you can check to
find out.
MJ, can you please provide a URL for that file, so we could check on
the reason?
I'll look it up and get back to you. In theory, it should be readily
available on the Debian site... in practice, as the
2.0 is available in debian-unstable, but for some reason isn't in
debian-testing. [...]
There is an excuses or reasons file or similar which you can check to
find out. The most common causes are not building on one of the debian
core platforms, or something which it depends on has an unsolved
Hi,
I'm writing a tool to pluck news. Do any non-Unix newsreaders
hold articles in a spool-like structure and use newsrc files?
If they do, I'll try to write the one shell script currently
controlling the build of the HTML tree in python instead.
If not, I'll just document and publish, I
David:
I'm writing a tool to pluck news. Do any non-Unix newsreaders hold
articles in a spool-like structure and use newsrc files?
There was a perl script out there awhile back that someone
specifically wrote to put news directly into Sitescooper and Plucker. I know
I posted it here
Bill Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As soon as we add an XML component to the parser... It's on my list.
Should plucker just parse XML and feed non-xml stuff to tidy to
reformat? Just an idea to simplify things. I think it simplifies
things, at least.
Actually, if you read the XHTML
Bill Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I've been reading the HTTP and HTML specs about character sets.
Shouldn't you be using the xhtml specs now?
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Andy Rabagliati [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I see more perl interpreters around than python. To install plucker
on a shared BSD box, I had to install a private copy of python 2.0.
perl has usually 'just worked' when I needed it.
perl is more common would be a better way of phrasing it. I'm
Andy Rabagliati [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, from what I remember of sitescooper, wouldn't it require yet
another interpreter?
It needs perl. It leverages off plucker code to generate the DB -
though historically plucker had a perl transcoder too.
Well, we all make mistakes! ;-)
David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This may be in Chris' court, and if he doesn't have time to look at
it, I'll poke around in emailform.c, but.. subject and mailto modifiers are
ignored when they're parsed into Plucker. Example:
I'm mixed about this. Those modifiers are
Robert O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
wxWindows is a cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit. Makes small footprint, fast
apps for Linux, Windows, and Mac using widgets for the appropriate OS.
I believe it uses GTK+ widgets on Unix, doesn't it?
Examples of existing programs are Audacity (wav
Robert O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am certainly open to what to call the things other than channels; it is
easier to specify the term now than more time spent rewriting things. [...]
I vote for a pluckable (site), rather than a channel. To me,
channel implies that you're going to be
David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Any ideas on how I should go about this? Or should I just dump the
idea and move onto other things? The output from Word to Plucker is fairly
impressive. Much more impressive than Abiword's output or even the Microsoft
native Save As HTML
David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
cvs -z9 up -dP
Which will add maxumum compression (probably overkill, but I'm in
close proximity to the box anyway =) [...]
What, so you can hear it catch fire when everyone follows this advice?
;-)
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Bill Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[...] Is there some magic switch that has to be thrown
to get a full update?
-d I think.
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Kjetil Torgrim Homme [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Versions: ppmtoTbmp 1.1 from http://www.isaac.cs.berkeley.edu/pilot/
plucker 1.1.12 (tar.bz2)
You'll doubtless be told: use netpbm not ppmtoTbmp. There is
pnmtopalm in netpbm now.
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David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Compile and install that version and then do the following,
*Please* suggest that people build or install packages for their
distribution in preference, where possible. I'd hate plucker to be
suggesting that people break their systems
David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The question becomes.. should we make this type of information
available on the website? Or should we leave it off, because of the
potential transcoding concerns? I think I know Mike's opinion on this one,
but I'd like to hear from others.
I'm sorry, but is this meant to be a request for help or a general
rant? It's very hard to read. If you have specific problems
understanding the documentation for the Windows plucker, I'm sure that
someone who knows will help.
Plucker is still under heavy development and not ready for world
Dirk Heiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The first time i open the DB and see the new autoscroll control at
the toolbar i was a little bit confused. I expected that if i see the
run symbol (the right arrow) the autoscroll are on and if i see the
stop symbol (the filled black square) the
Bill Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
autoscrolling, a la CSpotRun. The default speed for scrolling is too
fast for me, and I can't seem to slow it down enough (or speed up my
reading :-) to make it usable.
Seconded. Using large text, it's nearly usable, but it's just too
fast otherwise.
Robert O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
as pressing down on scrollbar), but a double pixel scroll, (plus an
overclocker like Afterburner) works quite nicely. Or can think about adding
Ow! Eat my batteries with an overclocker just to scroll Plucker
documents?
After prompting on the newsgroups, I've noticed that I can't build the
plucker manuals. This is because they are in latex but use some
packages that aren't in tetex, most notably html, but also because
they want to use latex2html instead of tex4ht (ht latex).
Briefly, tetex is the largest
David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Alexander, can you comment?
Alexander has emailed me off-list to say that it was because tex4ht
doesn't exist for OS/2 at the time it was written. He also gave me
lots of other useful comments. Can someone tell me what tex4ht
availability
David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Mike fixed strikeout and put a package on the ftp site:
So I saw. It's started some argument over whether this is a good
thing, as strike-through is deprecated.
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Subject: Re: [patch] plucker-build fails on HREF/IMG without full HTTP URL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops.pilot
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:27:51 -0400
MJ Ray wrote:
Peter W [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have cobbled together a quick workaround which is attached below,
but there really ought
Alys [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Does anyone have suggestions for sites I could test it on? I'm
looking for sites that have two related domain names, like
www.wired.com and images.wired.com, as David used in his example,
I think http://icewm.themes.org/ uses http://images.themes.org/ but
Chris Hawks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Actually, it _will_ add the URL to the end of the memo, if you don't exit
plucker between 'Copys'.
Time to update my copy of Plucker on the Palm side, I guess. Or do
power downs count as exit to Palm apps?
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I've seen the following program in the newsgroups and its method of
auto-scrolling does seem quite smart, eliminating the LCD flicker we
all know and love. Can I make this a feature request, please? ;-)
Thanks.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops.pilot
Subject: Re: Great new
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