Re: [PLUG] Root cannot delete file

[Denis Heidtmann]

Can it be renamed? How does a GUI deal with it?

On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 7:20 AM Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Sun, 29 Oct 2023, Reid wrote:
>
> > Any luck with this?
> >
> https://askubuntu.com/questions/746048/cant-delete-a-file-with-a-in-the-file-name
>
> Reid,
>
> Nope.
>
> However, using `ls -b' I learned that the `?' is octal \021. The ls man
> page
> did't suggest another option to view non-printable characters and my
> trial-and-error efforts to replace that parenthesis with `*' failed. So did
> trying to use a wildcard after initial chars in the filename.
>
> > Also if it's the only file in the directory (maybe I misunderstood), what
> > happens when you try to remove the whole directory (`rm -rf
> > `)?
>
> Initially I used `rm -rf salmo-root' and everything but that one file was
> removed.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich
>
>
>

Re: [PLUG] ANNOUNCEMENT: March PLUG Meeting: Anatomy of a Mailing List Meltdown

[Denis Heidtmann]

What is known about the ventilation system in that room?

-Denis

On Sun, Feb 26, 2023 at 4:03 PM Russell Senior 
wrote:

> Portland Linux/Unix Group General Meeting Announcement
>
> Who: Russell Senior
> What: Report on the (bumpy) PLUG hosting transition
> Where: Portland Building, Room 216, 1120 SW 5th Avenue, Portland, OR 97204
> (main entrance is on 5th Avenue)
> When: Thursday, March 2nd, 2023 at 7pm (doors open at 6:30pm)
> Why: The pursuit of technology freedom
>
> This month, at Michael Dexter's invitation, Russell (me) has arranged to
> try out a venue in the City of Portland's Portland Building downtown. It is
> the building with the Portlandia statue over the door.
>
>   https://goo.gl/maps/4vkLkHWRK26SrCPi7
>
> Russell is going to talk about the hosting transition(s) that disrupted the
> PLUG community mailing lists during the first three weeks or so of February
> and how we've mostly fished ourselves out of the mess. And it's also a
> chance to check out this public venue, see what it's like and assess its
> viability going forward. There will be a discussion of that as well.
>
> We have reserved the meeting room from 6:30-9:00 pm. The meeting will get
> started at 7pm. Russell is both host and speaker this month. There were
> some feelers out for other speakers, but for various reasons they haven't
> panned out.
>
> Rules and Requests:
>
> Please bring and properly fit a mask unless actively presenting
>
> PLUG is open to everyone and does not tolerate abusive behavior on its
> mailing lists or at its meetings
>
> Calagator Page:
> http://calagator.org/events/1250480314
>
> Google Maps Link:
> https://goo.gl/maps/4vkLkHWRK26SrCPi7
>
> PLUG Page with information about all PLUG events: http://pdxlinux.org/
>
> Russell Senior
> PLUG Volunteer
>

Re: [PLUG] Printing from Virtual Box

[Denis Heidtmann]

Another observation:  When I initiate a print job, it appears in the
Windows print queue as printing.  After about 1 minute the error message
pops up saying there was an error printing.  Soon thereafter the job drops
from the queue.  I have no idea if this is illuminating information or just
"ho-hum".

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 6:17 PM, Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> The saga continues---
> (The subject should be NOT printing from VB)
>
> It was suggested that in installing the printer from the Win2k guest I
> should give the port name of 9100.  Did not help.  (Note that this is the
> name, not the number.  The number has on all recent attempts  been 9100.)
>
> I have stumbled on a list of messages in a file accessed through control
> panel/administrative tools/computer management/system tools/event
> viewer/system  Here is one that might mean something to those skilled in
> the art.  I was asked what the error message was.  This is all the detail I
> have been able to come up with.
>
> 11/3/2017 9:13:15
> Printer hp deskjet 990c series was created.
>
> 11/3/2017 10:28:43
> The document Test Page owned by Administrator failed to print. Win32 error
> code returned by the print processor: 3003 (0xbbb).
>
> Whenever I attempt to print I see this identical error, whether a test
> page or document.
>
> Note that I can ping the printer from the guest, so that hints to me that
> the issue is the installation of the printer in windows, not in the
> network.  I have lost track of how many times I have deleted the printer
> and reinstalled.  Note that this driver works from the windows2000 guest on
> my desktop. I also note that the printer worked before changing the desktop
> and the router, although I have had issues in the distant past, details of
> which my foggy head cannot recall.
>
> Is changing to NAT still a thing worth trying?
>
> -Denis
>
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Re: [PLUG] Printing from Virtual Box

[Denis Heidtmann]

Tomas,

Before I attempt to understand the details of your proposal, I want to
clarify the current setup.  The desktop host is connected to the printer
via USB.  The desktop network in VB is NAT.  The laptop host communicates
to the printer via the wireless router, not through the desktop. Wireless
Direct in the printer is disabled.  The current laptop guest was installed
by copying the VDI from the desktop to the laptop.  (I do not recall the
details of that operation; I had help.) Both the desktop and laptop guest
is windows 2000.

Does the difference between the way the desktop (host) and the laptop
(host) communicates to the printer matter,  i.e., will the VM from the
desktop when copied to the laptop still communicate to the printer
properly?  (It should be obvious, by my asking this question, that I do not
understand how Virtual Box performs its magic.)

If your answer to this question is yes, then I wonder if making a new VM
instance in the laptop w/o removing the existing VM is possible and makes
sense?  Alternatively just removing and replacing the VM I think is
reasonable--I think I have nothing unique in the laptop VM except the data,
which is in a folder shared between the guest and host.  (The shared folder
in the desktop has a different name;  I think that is one of the issues I
had to deal with when I did the previous installation of the VM in the
laptop.)

Thanks for your continued willingness to concern yourself with this issue.

-Denis

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 1:00 AM, Tom <tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Denis,
>
> I am having second thoughts about your problem. Some times, the easiest
> thing is to leave the working stuff alone, working.
>
> You say that it works for you on your desktop. I assume that it is the
> same W2k VM, right?
>
> If the above is true, it should be as simple as copying your VM setup
> from the desktop to laptop and starting it.
>
> Here is how I would approach it:
> * backup your existing ;aptop VM setup if you have any other VM already
> configured on the laptop differently than on the desktop. You will
> merge the differences later.
> * stop vBox
> * you need to cary over following directories/files in your home from
> the laptop home dir:
>   rsync -a --progress desktop:VirtualBox\ VMs ./
>   rsync -a --progress .config/VirtualBox .config/
> * start vBox and the W2k VM and it should work identical to desktop.
>
> If it does not still work you will need to check firewall on your
> laptop, try NAT 
>
> Hope it helps, Tomas
>
> On Sun, 2017-11-05 at 18:17 -0800, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > The saga continues---
> > (The subject should be NOT printing from VB)
> >
> > It was suggested that in installing the printer from the Win2k guest
> > I
> > should give the port name of 9100.  Did not help.  (Note that this is
> > the
> > name, not the number.  The number has on all recent attempts  been
> > 9100.)
> >
> > I have stumbled on a list of messages in a file accessed through
> > control
> > panel/administrative tools/computer management/system tools/event
> > viewer/system  Here is one that might mean something to those skilled
> > in
> > the art.  I was asked what the error message was.  This is all the
> > detail I
> > have been able to come up with.
> >
> > 11/3/2017 9:13:15
> > Printer hp deskjet 990c series was created.
> >
> > 11/3/2017 10:28:43
> > The document Test Page owned by Administrator failed to print. Win32
> > error
> > code returned by the print processor: 3003 (0xbbb).
> >
> > Whenever I attempt to print I see this identical error, whether a
> > test page
> > or document.
> >
> > Note that I can ping the printer from the guest, so that hints to me
> > that
> > the issue is the installation of the printer in windows, not in the
> > network.  I have lost track of how many times I have deleted the
> > printer
> > and reinstalled.  Note that this driver works from the windows2000
> > guest on
> > my desktop. I also note that the printer worked before changing the
> > desktop
> > and the router, although I have had issues in the distant past,
> > details of
> > which my foggy head cannot recall.
> >
> > Is changing to NAT still a thing worth trying?
> >
> > -Denis
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[PLUG] Printing from Virtual Box

[Denis Heidtmann]

The saga continues---
(The subject should be NOT printing from VB)

It was suggested that in installing the printer from the Win2k guest I
should give the port name of 9100.  Did not help.  (Note that this is the
name, not the number.  The number has on all recent attempts  been 9100.)

I have stumbled on a list of messages in a file accessed through control
panel/administrative tools/computer management/system tools/event
viewer/system  Here is one that might mean something to those skilled in
the art.  I was asked what the error message was.  This is all the detail I
have been able to come up with.

11/3/2017 9:13:15
Printer hp deskjet 990c series was created.

11/3/2017 10:28:43
The document Test Page owned by Administrator failed to print. Win32 error
code returned by the print processor: 3003 (0xbbb).

Whenever I attempt to print I see this identical error, whether a test page
or document.

Note that I can ping the printer from the guest, so that hints to me that
the issue is the installation of the printer in windows, not in the
network.  I have lost track of how many times I have deleted the printer
and reinstalled.  Note that this driver works from the windows2000 guest on
my desktop. I also note that the printer worked before changing the desktop
and the router, although I have had issues in the distant past, details of
which my foggy head cannot recall.

Is changing to NAT still a thing worth trying?

-Denis
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Re: [PLUG] Printing from Virtual Box

[Denis Heidtmann]

To summarize:  I followed
https://www.sas.upenn.edu/computing/natsci/tutorials/printing/xp .  Only
when printing a test page did it fail: "problem printing test page".  This
makes me suspect something wrong with the driver or my installation of it.
I suspect I will not solve this until I have someone more skilled at my
elbow.  And that is OK.  I can wait.

Thanks for everyone helping to bring me this far.

-Denis

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 5:57 PM, Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> The problem persists.  I expect the issue relates to windows issues, since
> I know even less about windows than I do Linux.  I deleted the printer,
> removed the driver (990c, since HP said that is what will work for the 4630
> printer in windows 2000).  I reinstalled the driver by executing the file
> 990-enu-win2k.exe.  A choice along the way was "want help?", which I
> chose.  It hung in a loop between USB or Parallel.  I shut down.  (I assume
> that the help wizard was the cause of the hanging.)  Restart and continuing
> it said it needed hpzcon04.dll.  I found hpzcon04.dl_, which it took.  Will
> not print.  Error msg. is uninformative.
>
> -Denis
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The duplicate addresses seem to have resolved themselves.  The host shows
>> 10.0.0 .118; the guest still shows 10.0.0.231.  I can ping both from the
>> desktop.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Denis Heidtmann <
>> denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ping by IP works.  I do not know how to ping by name.  I tried dig -x
>>> but it did find an IP.
>>>
>>> I can get to the printer's (10.0.0.244) and the router's (10.0.0.1)
>>> embedded web servers from both the host and the guest using browsers.  I
>>> can ping from both to both by IP.  The router gives the printer the name
>>> HP69E035.  The router can see the host and the guest, but the guest shows
>>> as off-line, (which means that it had been connected in the past but is not
>>> now.)  The router lists the IPs:
>>> printer-10.0.0.244
>>> desktop- 10.0.0.148
>>> laptop- 10.0.0.231
>>> Guest- 10.0.0.231  ? Is this normal for bridging mode?
>>>
>>> I should give up on using the printer name.  I will try using the IP.
>>>
>>> -Denis
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:17 AM, Tomas Kuchta <
>>> tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As a basic connectivity test - check if you are able to ping the printer
>>>> from the host computer. Check ping by IP as well as ping by name.
>>>>
>>>> If ping works from host, replicate the ping from win guest.
>>>>
>>>> Unless you are able to replicate the network behavior between host and
>>>> guest, you still need to work on the network setup first, before
>>>> progressing to the printer configuration.
>>>>
>>>> Tomas
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 16, 2017 11:17 AM, "Denis Heidtmann" <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Status:  I got started trying to set up the printer in bridging,
>>>> using the
>>>> > printer's name rather than the IP.  I thought I would continue in that
>>>> > direction until I was either successful or could figure out why not.
>>>> I got
>>>> > the name of the printer from the router--it said HP69E035.  I shut off
>>>> > wireless direct.  Printing from the host still works.  I set up a new
>>>> port:
>>>> > TCP/IP; gave it the same name as the printer.  I went through the
>>>> install
>>>> > procedure.  Says it was successful, but it will not print.
>>>> >
>>>> > I can reach the printer's embedded web server from the host and the
>>>> guest
>>>> > (10.0.0.244).  Right now I suspect the Windows Install may be the
>>>> issue.  I
>>>> > will try again using the IP address rather than the name, but I am not
>>>> > optimistic.
>>>> >
>>>> > Fortunately I can easily get by for some time without printing from
>>>> the
>>>> > guest on the laptop.  I want to hammer through this so that I learn.
>>>> That
>>>> > is why I have stuck to bridging mode and using the name rather than
>>>> the
>>>> > IP.  But I understand there are advantages to NAT.  I should be able
>>>> to

Re: [PLUG] Printing from Virtual Box

[Denis Heidtmann]

The problem persists.  I expect the issue relates to windows issues, since
I know even less about windows than I do Linux.  I deleted the printer,
removed the driver (990c, since HP said that is what will work for the 4630
printer in windows 2000).  I reinstalled the driver by executing the file
990-enu-win2k.exe.  A choice along the way was "want help?", which I
chose.  It hung in a loop between USB or Parallel.  I shut down.  (I assume
that the help wizard was the cause of the hanging.)  Restart and continuing
it said it needed hpzcon04.dll.  I found hpzcon04.dl_, which it took.  Will
not print.  Error msg. is uninformative.

-Denis

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> The duplicate addresses seem to have resolved themselves.  The host shows
> 10.0.0 .118; the guest still shows 10.0.0.231.  I can ping both from the
> desktop.
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Denis Heidtmann <
> denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ping by IP works.  I do not know how to ping by name.  I tried dig -x but
>> it did find an IP.
>>
>> I can get to the printer's (10.0.0.244) and the router's (10.0.0.1)
>> embedded web servers from both the host and the guest using browsers.  I
>> can ping from both to both by IP.  The router gives the printer the name
>> HP69E035.  The router can see the host and the guest, but the guest shows
>> as off-line, (which means that it had been connected in the past but is not
>> now.)  The router lists the IPs:
>> printer-10.0.0.244
>> desktop- 10.0.0.148
>> laptop- 10.0.0.231
>> Guest- 10.0.0.231  ? Is this normal for bridging mode?
>>
>> I should give up on using the printer name.  I will try using the IP.
>>
>> -Denis
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:17 AM, Tomas Kuchta <
>> tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As a basic connectivity test - check if you are able to ping the printer
>>> from the host computer. Check ping by IP as well as ping by name.
>>>
>>> If ping works from host, replicate the ping from win guest.
>>>
>>> Unless you are able to replicate the network behavior between host and
>>> guest, you still need to work on the network setup first, before
>>> progressing to the printer configuration.
>>>
>>> Tomas
>>>
>>> On Oct 16, 2017 11:17 AM, "Denis Heidtmann" <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Status:  I got started trying to set up the printer in bridging, using
>>> the
>>> > printer's name rather than the IP.  I thought I would continue in that
>>> > direction until I was either successful or could figure out why not.
>>> I got
>>> > the name of the printer from the router--it said HP69E035.  I shut off
>>> > wireless direct.  Printing from the host still works.  I set up a new
>>> port:
>>> > TCP/IP; gave it the same name as the printer.  I went through the
>>> install
>>> > procedure.  Says it was successful, but it will not print.
>>> >
>>> > I can reach the printer's embedded web server from the host and the
>>> guest
>>> > (10.0.0.244).  Right now I suspect the Windows Install may be the
>>> issue.  I
>>> > will try again using the IP address rather than the name, but I am not
>>> > optimistic.
>>> >
>>> > Fortunately I can easily get by for some time without printing from the
>>> > guest on the laptop.  I want to hammer through this so that I learn.
>>> That
>>> > is why I have stuck to bridging mode and using the name rather than the
>>> > IP.  But I understand there are advantages to NAT.  I should be able to
>>> > change to NAT when I have exhausted my ability to learn from the
>>> bridging
>>> > exercise.
>>> >
>>> > I would go to the Clinic were I not signed up for something else
>>> through
>>> > 11/19. If I still have stamina to learn from this after the 19 I will
>>> try
>>> > to get to the Clinic.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for all the help.  I welcome ideas on how to understand what
>>> may be
>>> > wrong.
>>> >
>>> > -Denis
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Tomas <tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > I cannot see anything obviously wrong with the vBox config you are
>>> > > using. Unless, of course the problem is with your Wind

Re: [PLUG] Printing from Virtual Box

[Denis Heidtmann]

The duplicate addresses seem to have resolved themselves.  The host shows
10.0.0 .118; the guest still shows 10.0.0.231.  I can ping both from the
desktop.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com
> wrote:

> Ping by IP works.  I do not know how to ping by name.  I tried dig -x but
> it did find an IP.
>
> I can get to the printer's (10.0.0.244) and the router's (10.0.0.1)
> embedded web servers from both the host and the guest using browsers.  I
> can ping from both to both by IP.  The router gives the printer the name
> HP69E035.  The router can see the host and the guest, but the guest shows
> as off-line, (which means that it had been connected in the past but is not
> now.)  The router lists the IPs:
> printer-10.0.0.244
> desktop- 10.0.0.148
> laptop- 10.0.0.231
> Guest- 10.0.0.231  ? Is this normal for bridging mode?
>
> I should give up on using the printer name.  I will try using the IP.
>
> -Denis
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:17 AM, Tomas Kuchta <
> tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As a basic connectivity test - check if you are able to ping the printer
>> from the host computer. Check ping by IP as well as ping by name.
>>
>> If ping works from host, replicate the ping from win guest.
>>
>> Unless you are able to replicate the network behavior between host and
>> guest, you still need to work on the network setup first, before
>> progressing to the printer configuration.
>>
>> Tomas
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2017 11:17 AM, "Denis Heidtmann" <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Status:  I got started trying to set up the printer in bridging, using
>> the
>> > printer's name rather than the IP.  I thought I would continue in that
>> > direction until I was either successful or could figure out why not.  I
>> got
>> > the name of the printer from the router--it said HP69E035.  I shut off
>> > wireless direct.  Printing from the host still works.  I set up a new
>> port:
>> > TCP/IP; gave it the same name as the printer.  I went through the
>> install
>> > procedure.  Says it was successful, but it will not print.
>> >
>> > I can reach the printer's embedded web server from the host and the
>> guest
>> > (10.0.0.244).  Right now I suspect the Windows Install may be the
>> issue.  I
>> > will try again using the IP address rather than the name, but I am not
>> > optimistic.
>> >
>> > Fortunately I can easily get by for some time without printing from the
>> > guest on the laptop.  I want to hammer through this so that I learn.
>> That
>> > is why I have stuck to bridging mode and using the name rather than the
>> > IP.  But I understand there are advantages to NAT.  I should be able to
>> > change to NAT when I have exhausted my ability to learn from the
>> bridging
>> > exercise.
>> >
>> > I would go to the Clinic were I not signed up for something else through
>> > 11/19. If I still have stamina to learn from this after the 19 I will
>> try
>> > to get to the Clinic.
>> >
>> > Thanks for all the help.  I welcome ideas on how to understand what may
>> be
>> > wrong.
>> >
>> > -Denis
>> >
>> > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Tomas <tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I cannot see anything obviously wrong with the vBox config you are
>> > > using. Unless, of course the problem is with your Windows setup
>> messing
>> > > things up or you need to poke at the vBox config file (sometimes even
>> > > virtual computers wants to play!).
>> > >
>> > > I would think that there is no harm in trying to change the network
>> > > setup to NAT, it could do two things for you:
>> > > a) isolate the windows from interferring with your host network
>> > > b) reset the vBox config, just in case there is something funny in
>> > > there from your past setup.
>> > >
>> > > To change the setting (your VM must be powered down) you can just run
>> > > this command:
>> > > vboxmanage  modifyvm f54caf05-a7ed-450e-be1a-94865fef7e5c --nic1 nat
>> > > Alternatively, you could just select NAT in the GUI
>> > >
>> > > After you do the above, try this:
>> > > 1. start your VM
>> > > 2. ping your router from W2k: in Win start cmd.exe and run:
>> > >ping 10.0.0.1
>> > > 3. as per

Re: [PLUG] Printing from Virtual Box

[Denis Heidtmann]

Ping by IP works.  I do not know how to ping by name.  I tried dig -x but
it did find an IP.

I can get to the printer's (10.0.0.244) and the router's (10.0.0.1)
embedded web servers from both the host and the guest using browsers.  I
can ping from both to both by IP.  The router gives the printer the name
HP69E035.  The router can see the host and the guest, but the guest shows
as off-line, (which means that it had been connected in the past but is not
now.)  The router lists the IPs:
printer-10.0.0.244
desktop- 10.0.0.148
laptop- 10.0.0.231
Guest- 10.0.0.231  ? Is this normal for bridging mode?

I should give up on using the printer name.  I will try using the IP.

-Denis


On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:17 AM, Tomas Kuchta <tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com
> wrote:

> As a basic connectivity test - check if you are able to ping the printer
> from the host computer. Check ping by IP as well as ping by name.
>
> If ping works from host, replicate the ping from win guest.
>
> Unless you are able to replicate the network behavior between host and
> guest, you still need to work on the network setup first, before
> progressing to the printer configuration.
>
> Tomas
>
> On Oct 16, 2017 11:17 AM, "Denis Heidtmann" <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Status:  I got started trying to set up the printer in bridging, using
> the
> > printer's name rather than the IP.  I thought I would continue in that
> > direction until I was either successful or could figure out why not.  I
> got
> > the name of the printer from the router--it said HP69E035.  I shut off
> > wireless direct.  Printing from the host still works.  I set up a new
> port:
> > TCP/IP; gave it the same name as the printer.  I went through the install
> > procedure.  Says it was successful, but it will not print.
> >
> > I can reach the printer's embedded web server from the host and the guest
> > (10.0.0.244).  Right now I suspect the Windows Install may be the
> issue.  I
> > will try again using the IP address rather than the name, but I am not
> > optimistic.
> >
> > Fortunately I can easily get by for some time without printing from the
> > guest on the laptop.  I want to hammer through this so that I learn.
> That
> > is why I have stuck to bridging mode and using the name rather than the
> > IP.  But I understand there are advantages to NAT.  I should be able to
> > change to NAT when I have exhausted my ability to learn from the bridging
> > exercise.
> >
> > I would go to the Clinic were I not signed up for something else through
> > 11/19. If I still have stamina to learn from this after the 19 I will try
> > to get to the Clinic.
> >
> > Thanks for all the help.  I welcome ideas on how to understand what may
> be
> > wrong.
> >
> > -Denis
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Tomas <tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I cannot see anything obviously wrong with the vBox config you are
> > > using. Unless, of course the problem is with your Windows setup messing
> > > things up or you need to poke at the vBox config file (sometimes even
> > > virtual computers wants to play!).
> > >
> > > I would think that there is no harm in trying to change the network
> > > setup to NAT, it could do two things for you:
> > > a) isolate the windows from interferring with your host network
> > > b) reset the vBox config, just in case there is something funny in
> > > there from your past setup.
> > >
> > > To change the setting (your VM must be powered down) you can just run
> > > this command:
> > > vboxmanage  modifyvm f54caf05-a7ed-450e-be1a-94865fef7e5c --nic1 nat
> > > Alternatively, you could just select NAT in the GUI
> > >
> > > After you do the above, try this:
> > > 1. start your VM
> > > 2. ping your router from W2k: in Win start cmd.exe and run:
> > >    ping 10.0.0.1
> > > 3. as per 2.:
> > >ping printerIP
> > >
> > > If it works, you should be able to setup the printer in windows by
> > > giving it the printer's IP.
> > >
> > > If you do not succeed, I would advice you to go to PLUG clinic for help
> > > this Sunday. I am sure that Wes/others will be able to help you with
> > > the networking from your vBox.
> > >
> > > Best luck, Tomas
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2017-10-10 at 19:00 -0700, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > > > I am impressed with you willingness to help from the other side of
> > > > the
> > > > world.  T

Re: [PLUG] Printing from Virtual Box

[Denis Heidtmann]

Status:  I got started trying to set up the printer in bridging, using the
printer's name rather than the IP.  I thought I would continue in that
direction until I was either successful or could figure out why not.  I got
the name of the printer from the router--it said HP69E035.  I shut off
wireless direct.  Printing from the host still works.  I set up a new port:
TCP/IP; gave it the same name as the printer.  I went through the install
procedure.  Says it was successful, but it will not print.

I can reach the printer's embedded web server from the host and the guest
(10.0.0.244).  Right now I suspect the Windows Install may be the issue.  I
will try again using the IP address rather than the name, but I am not
optimistic.

Fortunately I can easily get by for some time without printing from the
guest on the laptop.  I want to hammer through this so that I learn.  That
is why I have stuck to bridging mode and using the name rather than the
IP.  But I understand there are advantages to NAT.  I should be able to
change to NAT when I have exhausted my ability to learn from the bridging
exercise.

I would go to the Clinic were I not signed up for something else through
11/19. If I still have stamina to learn from this after the 19 I will try
to get to the Clinic.

Thanks for all the help.  I welcome ideas on how to understand what may be
wrong.

-Denis

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Tomas <tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I cannot see anything obviously wrong with the vBox config you are
> using. Unless, of course the problem is with your Windows setup messing
> things up or you need to poke at the vBox config file (sometimes even
> virtual computers wants to play!).
>
> I would think that there is no harm in trying to change the network
> setup to NAT, it could do two things for you:
> a) isolate the windows from interferring with your host network
> b) reset the vBox config, just in case there is something funny in
> there from your past setup.
>
> To change the setting (your VM must be powered down) you can just run
> this command:
> vboxmanage  modifyvm f54caf05-a7ed-450e-be1a-94865fef7e5c --nic1 nat
> Alternatively, you could just select NAT in the GUI
>
> After you do the above, try this:
> 1. start your VM
> 2. ping your router from W2k: in Win start cmd.exe and run:
>ping 10.0.0.1
> 3. as per 2.:
>ping printerIP
>
> If it works, you should be able to setup the printer in windows by
> giving it the printer's IP.
>
> If you do not succeed, I would advice you to go to PLUG clinic for help
> this Sunday. I am sure that Wes/others will be able to help you with
> the networking from your vBox.
>
> Best luck, Tomas
>
> On Tue, 2017-10-10 at 19:00 -0700, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > I am impressed with you willingness to help from the other side of
> > the
> > world.  Thank you so much for your help.
> >
> > Below is the output you asked for.  I have only one VM at present.  A
> > friend suggested dig -s 10.0.0.244 to find the name of the printer,
> > since I
> > wanted to avoid the complications of ip address not fixed.  But it
> > seems
> > that 10.0.0.244 is the web address of the embedded web server.  I do
> > not
> > know if that is what is accessed when printing.  But the dig output
> > did not
> > produce a name that I could see.  And I see that I can specify a
> > fixed IP
> > address in the printer, so that may not be a concern.  And I agree
> > that I
> > need to turn off the "direct" access to the printer.
> >
> > I cannot think of why I would want to have access to the guest from
> > the
> > host.  You can see that I use a shared folder to allow me to pass
> > data
> > between the two.  If there are other reasons I would want to have
> > that
> > access I am open to suggestions.
> >
> > denis@denis-ThinkPad-L420:~$ for i in $(vboxmanage list vms | awk
> > '{print
> > $2}'); do echo "INFO:
> > >
> > > vboxmanage showvminfo $i"; vboxmanage showvminfo $i; done
> > INFO:
> > vboxmanage showvminfo {f54caf05-a7ed-450e-be1a-94865fef7e5c}
> > Name:Win2kSP2
> > Groups:  /
> > Guest OS:Windows 2000
> > UUID:f54caf05-a7ed-450e-be1a-94865fef7e5c
> > Config file: /home/denis/VirtualBox VMs/Win2kSP2/Win2kSP2.vbox
> > Snapshot folder: /home/denis/VirtualBox VMs/Win2kSP2/Snapshots
> > Log folder:  /home/denis/VirtualBox VMs/Win2kSP2/Logs
> > Hardware UUID:   f54caf05-a7ed-450e-be1a-94865fef7e5c
> > Memory size: 500MB
> > Page Fusion: off
> > VRAM size:   16MB
> > CPU exec cap:100%
> > HPET:off
> &

Re: [PLUG] Printing from Virtual Box

[Denis Heidtmann]

t; > > Do you need to connect to your windows VM from the host or another
> computer/phone on the network?
> >
> > > > I am thinking that it maybe easier to provide a guide how to
> configure you vBox network rather than to debug your issue - over
> this mailing list.
> >
> > > > If I would to provide guidance on fresh network configuration for
> unsupported and unpatched windows - I would probably suggest simple
> NAT setup as it provides little more isolation for you windows.
> >
> > > If you need to directly connect to your windows from the host or the
> network then bridging setup would be more appropriate.
> >
> > > Depending on your answer, there are pretty good guides available.
> Please see if you could follow one of them.
> >
> > The networking in vBox is pretty well described in:
> > http://virtualbox.org/manual/ch06.html
> >
> > > Depending on your need (NAT or Bridge) try to follow the appropriate
> section of this tutorial:
> > https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/virtualbox-network-sharing.html
> >
> > > > Note: The tutorial uses host IP examples in 192.168.x.x You on the
> other hand use 10.0.0.x - that is OK - keep your host network
> settings - do not get confused about it when following the tutorial.
> >
> > > If you choose NAT then you host and windows guest IPs should be on
> different networks.
> >
> > > If you choose Bridging, your internet router should assign IP to your
> windows guest in the same 10.0.0.x range.
> >
> > > > In both instances, you will be connecting to your 10.0.0.244 printer.
> Please note that the printer's IP might change occasionally by your
> router, unless configured as static.
> >
> > > As already mentioned, I would disable all other networking stuff such
> as internet/HP/cloud printing on the printer.
> >
> > > I hope it helps, for anything else go to PLUG clinic on the right
> Sunday.
> >
> > Tomas
> >
> > > > On Oct 10, 2017 7:19 AM, "King Beowulf" <kingbeow...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On 10/09/2017 03:14 PM, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> >
> > > > Progress.  I got the ip address of the printer from
> settings/network in the
> >
> > > > host, pinged it from the host, then pinged it from win2k.  Both
> were
> >
> > > > successful.  But then I found out that the host could not connect
> to the
> >
> > > > router/modem until I shut down win2k in VB!  So it appears that
> either the
> >
> > > > host is connected to the router/modem or it is connected to the
> printer.
> >
> > > > This is not the usual way the host connects to the printer, as I am
> able to
> >
> > > print without losing my internet connection.  The address was
> >
> > > > 192.168.223.100.  I need to get rid of this direct connection to
> the
> >
> > > > printer.  Then how do I get the (proper) ip address for the
> printer?
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --- snip---
> >
> >
> >
> > As
> >
> > > Tomas mentioned, this sounds like something screwy with the host-
> guest
> >
> > bridging setup in that when VB+Win2K fires up, the guest has sole
> >
> > ownership of the NIC. Thus, the laptop host goes "dark".
> >
> >
> >
> > you said (?)the printer is on wifi and uses DHCP (not fixed IP). The
> >
> > printer IP address is from the wifi router and has nothing to do with
> >
> > either host or guest OS.  You can get the Printer IP by using the
> >
> > printer front panel to print a Network status page, or log in to the
> >
> > > router web GUI (http://10.0.0.1) to see what IP is assigned.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Some printers can advertise over wifi for direct connection.  You
> will
> >
> > > want to turn that off inside the printer configuration settings.
> Either
> >
> > page through the printer front panel or use the printer web GUI
> >
> > > (http://10.0.0.244)
> >
> >
> >
> > -Ed
> >
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Re: [PLUG] Printing from Virtual Box

[Denis Heidtmann]

Thanks so much for the help and patience.  I was able to ping 10.0.0.244
successfully from both the host and the guest.  My understanding is that
the printer is accessed from the laptop host through the comcast wireless
modem/router.  I agree that I want to turn off the wireless direct in the
printer, but I want the printer to continue to get to the router
wirelessly.  When I was setting up the printer I was not sure what on/off,
yes/no applied to what.  I might now be better able to decode the dialog.
If this address is not fixed, I need to either assign a fixed address or
use a name, not an address, to set up the printer.  Which do you recommend?

I did shut off the promiscuous mode.  And the laptop host going dark was
due to me connecting directly (wirelessly) to the printer.  That should not
happen if I am able to follow your suggestions.

On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 4:15 PM, King Beowulf <kingbeow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 10/09/2017 03:14 PM, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > Progress.  I got the ip address of the printer from settings/network in
> the
> > host, pinged it from the host, then pinged it from win2k.  Both were
> > successful.  But then I found out that the host could not connect to the
> > router/modem until I shut down win2k in VB!  So it appears that either
> the
> > host is connected to the router/modem or it is connected to the printer.
> > This is not the usual way the host connects to the printer, as I am able
> to
> > print without losing my internet connection.  The address was
> > 192.168.223.100.  I need to get rid of this direct connection to the
> > printer.  Then how do I get the (proper) ip address for the printer?
> >
> --- snip---
>
> As
> Tomas mentioned, this sounds like something screwy with the host-guest
> bridging setup in that when VB+Win2K fires up, the guest has sole
> ownership of the NIC. Thus, the laptop host goes "dark".
>
> you said (?)the printer is on wifi and uses DHCP (not fixed IP). The
> printer IP address is from the wifi router and has nothing to do with
> either host or guest OS.  You can get the Printer IP by using the
> printer front panel to print a Network status page, or log in to the
> router web GUI (http://10.0.0.1) to see what IP is assigned.
>
> Some printers can advertise over wifi for direct connection.  You will
> want to turn that off inside the printer configuration settings. Either
> page through the printer front panel or use the printer web GUI
> (http://10.0.0.244)
>
> -Ed
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Re: [PLUG] Printing from Virtual Box

[Denis Heidtmann]

Progress.  I got the ip address of the printer from settings/network in the
host, pinged it from the host, then pinged it from win2k.  Both were
successful.  But then I found out that the host could not connect to the
router/modem until I shut down win2k in VB!  So it appears that either the
host is connected to the router/modem or it is connected to the printer.
This is not the usual way the host connects to the printer, as I am able to
print without losing my internet connection.  The address was
192.168.223.100.  I need to get rid of this direct connection to the
printer.  Then how do I get the (proper) ip address for the printer?

On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 2:14 PM, Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I am the one who should apologize--for being in such dire need of help.
> Here is the output:
>
> denis@denis-ThinkPad-L420:~$ ip addr
> 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group
> default qlen 1
> link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
> inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> inet6 ::1/128 scope host
>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> 2: enp9s0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
> state DOWN group default qlen 1000
> link/ether e8:9a:8f:b9:6a:65 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> 3: wlp3s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UP
> group default qlen 1000
> link/ether 08:11:96:8a:4d:c0 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> inet 10.0.0.118/24 brd 10.0.0.255 scope global dynamic wlp3s0
>valid_lft 603477sec preferred_lft 603477sec
> inet6 2601:1c0:6100:ac9::f498/128 scope global dynamic
>valid_lft 603479sec preferred_lft 603479sec
> inet6 2601:1c0:6100:ac9:c546:3082:760c:6e03/64 scope global temporary
> dynamic
>valid_lft 199748sec preferred_lft 84479sec
> inet6 2601:1c0:6100:ac9:9211:491c:c335:ce74/64 scope global
> mngtmpaddr noprefixroute dynamic
>valid_lft 199748sec preferred_lft 199748sec
> inet6 fe80::bff5:4bac:630:9759/64 scope link
>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
>
> I do not know which of the many addresses to pay attention to.  I tried to
> use the man page to help me answer that question, but it did not.
>
> So you see that I have not accurately described the depth of my ignorance.
>
>
> -Denis
>
>
> I find this  in the printer's properties (in the host):
> dnssd://HP%20Officejet%204630%20series%20%5B69E035%5D._ipp._
> tcp.local/?uuid=1c852a4d-b800-1f08-abcd-8cdcd469e035
>
> Both you and John have asked what happens if I ping the printer.  How do I
> do that? I do not see an IP address for the printer.
>
> I notice that now I see only one printer (-series) not the three I saw
> earlier.  Bit it still prints.  http://localhost:631/printers/ shows only
> the one, as idle, waiting for job to complete.  But the queue is empty.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Tomas Kuchta <tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> My apologies for the typos Dennis,
>>
>> I needed to run and wanted to send some ideas.
>>
>> I forgot to mention how to find your laptop's IP - run: ip addr
>>
>> If you see address not starting with the same 10.0.0.x - then your VM is
>> not on the same network as your laptop.
>>
>> When I/we talk about different network, we mean it topologically rather
>> than physically. When you look at the ipconfig output, the network is
>> determined by IP - 10.0.0.231and netmask - 255.255.255.0 This means the
>> network your VM is on can have IP addresses between 10.0.0.1 and
>> 10.0.0.255
>> Out of these addresses .1 is taken for default gateway and .255 for
>> broadcast to all machines.
>>
>> The printer can be on a different network, but it would not be discovered
>> by windows, and it could be more challenging to configure.
>>
>> I hope that you find it helpful,
>> Tomas
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2017 11:38 AM, "Tomas Kuchta" <tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> What is your laptop's IP from Ubuntu?
>> Does it start the same 10.0.0.x
>>
>> The VM is behind virtual network switch if bridged from your laptop's
>> network port.
>>
>> What we are trying to establish is if on the same network.
>>
>> You forgot to ping the printer from inside the VM. That would have
>> answered
>> - if you can connect to it over the network.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2017 11:30 AM, "Denis Heidtmann" <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> As I mentioned to John, the laptop host Ubuntu 16.04 has success

Re: [PLUG] Printing from Virtual Box

[Denis Heidtmann]

I am the one who should apologize--for being in such dire need of help.
Here is the output:

denis@denis-ThinkPad-L420:~$ ip addr
1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group
default qlen 1
link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet6 ::1/128 scope host
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
2: enp9s0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
state DOWN group default qlen 1000
link/ether e8:9a:8f:b9:6a:65 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
3: wlp3s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UP
group default qlen 1000
link/ether 08:11:96:8a:4d:c0 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet 10.0.0.118/24 brd 10.0.0.255 scope global dynamic wlp3s0
   valid_lft 603477sec preferred_lft 603477sec
inet6 2601:1c0:6100:ac9::f498/128 scope global dynamic
   valid_lft 603479sec preferred_lft 603479sec
inet6 2601:1c0:6100:ac9:c546:3082:760c:6e03/64 scope global temporary
dynamic
   valid_lft 199748sec preferred_lft 84479sec
inet6 2601:1c0:6100:ac9:9211:491c:c335:ce74/64 scope global mngtmpaddr
noprefixroute dynamic
   valid_lft 199748sec preferred_lft 199748sec
inet6 fe80::bff5:4bac:630:9759/64 scope link
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

I do not know which of the many addresses to pay attention to.  I tried to
use the man page to help me answer that question, but it did not.

So you see that I have not accurately described the depth of my ignorance.


-Denis


I find this  in the printer's properties (in the host):
dnssd://HP%20Officejet%204630%20series%20%5B69E035%5D._ipp._
tcp.local/?uuid=1c852a4d-b800-1f08-abcd-8cdcd469e035

Both you and John have asked what happens if I ping the printer.  How do I
do that? I do not see an IP address for the printer.

I notice that now I see only one printer (-series) not the three I saw
earlier.  Bit it still prints.  http://localhost:631/printers/ shows only
the one, as idle, waiting for job to complete.  But the queue is empty.


On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Tomas Kuchta <tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> My apologies for the typos Dennis,
>
> I needed to run and wanted to send some ideas.
>
> I forgot to mention how to find your laptop's IP - run: ip addr
>
> If you see address not starting with the same 10.0.0.x - then your VM is
> not on the same network as your laptop.
>
> When I/we talk about different network, we mean it topologically rather
> than physically. When you look at the ipconfig output, the network is
> determined by IP - 10.0.0.231and netmask - 255.255.255.0 This means the
> network your VM is on can have IP addresses between 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.255
> Out of these addresses .1 is taken for default gateway and .255 for
> broadcast to all machines.
>
> The printer can be on a different network, but it would not be discovered
> by windows, and it could be more challenging to configure.
>
> I hope that you find it helpful,
> Tomas
>
> On Oct 9, 2017 11:38 AM, "Tomas Kuchta" <tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> What is your laptop's IP from Ubuntu?
> Does it start the same 10.0.0.x
>
> The VM is behind virtual network switch if bridged from your laptop's
> network port.
>
> What we are trying to establish is if on the same network.
>
> You forgot to ping the printer from inside the VM. That would have answered
> - if you can connect to it over the network.
>
>
>
> On Oct 9, 2017 11:30 AM, "Denis Heidtmann" <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> As I mentioned to John, the laptop host Ubuntu 16.04 has successful access
> to the printer when the desktop is suspended or powered off.  The laptop's
> access is via wireless.  So isn't the printer's USB connection to the
> desktop irrelevant?  Perhaps I should not have mentioned it.
>
> The guest Win2k had access to the printer before the desktop/router
> changes.  It used the driver recommended by HP, hp deskjet 990c series.
> That driver is still available, ('though I may not know how to inform Win2k
> about it.)
>
> You mention "turn off/deny promiscuous mode".  Maybe that is the key.  I
> will play with that.
>
> I ran ipconfig/all from Win2k.  The results are below.  There are many
> things in it that are likely not correct, most of which I do not
> understand, nor know how to change.  The wrong entries are likely due to
> how I installed VB on the laptop:  I copied over the VB file from the
> desktop--it even has the old desktop's name as host.  And I do not know how
> to get the corresponding information from Ubuntu if we need more than the
> ifconfig reported in my original posting.
>
> Thanks so much for tryi

Re: [PLUG] Printing from Virtual Box

[Denis Heidtmann]

As I mentioned to John, the laptop host Ubuntu 16.04 has successful access
to the printer when the desktop is suspended or powered off.  The laptop's
access is via wireless.  So isn't the printer's USB connection to the
desktop irrelevant?  Perhaps I should not have mentioned it.

The guest Win2k had access to the printer before the desktop/router
changes.  It used the driver recommended by HP, hp deskjet 990c series.
That driver is still available, ('though I may not know how to inform Win2k
about it.)

You mention "turn off/deny promiscuous mode".  Maybe that is the key.  I
will play with that.

I ran ipconfig/all from Win2k.  The results are below.  There are many
things in it that are likely not correct, most of which I do not
understand, nor know how to change.  The wrong entries are likely due to
how I installed VB on the laptop:  I copied over the VB file from the
desktop--it even has the old desktop's name as host.  And I do not know how
to get the corresponding information from Ubuntu if we need more than the
ifconfig reported in my original posting.

Thanks so much for trying to direct a lost soul in over his head.

Now to play with promiscuity.

-Denis



Windows 2000 IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : winr2d4 [WRONG]
Primary DNS Suffix  . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : hsd1.or.comcast.net [?]

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . : hsd1.or.comcast.net [?]
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : AMD PCNET Family PCI Ethernet
Adapter[WRONG]
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 08-00-27-D6-6D-3F
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.231
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 75.75.75.75
75.75.76.76
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Sunday, October 08, 2017
4:16:42 PM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Sunday, October 15, 2017
4:16:42 PM


On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 3:11 PM, King Beowulf <kingbeow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 10/08/2017 08:38 AM, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > On my laptop, I have VB in Ubuntu 16.04 running Windows 2000.  Before I
> > changed my desktop computer and wireless router I could print from 2000.
> > The printer is connected to the desktop via USB.  The printer is also
> > connected wirelessly to the new wireless Comcast Modem/router.  I can
> print
> > from Ubuntu on the laptop.
> >
> > The long dialogue below is my attempt to show what I have tried to
> restore
> > the printing capability to the windows guest.  I hope that someone here
> > might be able to direct me along the path to success.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Denis
> >
>
> To print via a host printer in VirtualBox you need to:
>
> 1.  Tell VB to passthrough the host USB port the printer is connected
> to.  Then you can "Add printers" in Windows.  Be aware that Windows may
> 'recognize' the printer as an unknown device until you install the
> appropriate printer drivers inside the Windows guest.  The Windows guest
> knows absolutely nothing about Linux host and CUPS/HPLIP drivers.
>
> 2. Before the Windows guest can see the network printers, you need to
> have the virtual NIC attached to the same network IP subnet as the host.
> Normally, Bridged networking will do that but you must check advanced
> settings to make sure the IP address assignment is correct and that
> guest NAT and/or DHCP is not enabled.  Note: If you are bridging to a
> host wireless adaptor you will needs to turn off/deny promiscuous mode.
>
> If you are trying to get network printing working, and the virtual
> network bringing is correct, in a Windows command window, type "ipconfig
> /all" and compare the output to your host. Again, if you are not on the
> same subnet you the Windows guest won't see any network printers.
>
> Anyway, I'm a bit rusty with VB since I moved to qemu.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Printing from Virtual Box

[Denis Heidtmann]

John,

Thanks for your suggestions.  But note that I can get to the printer from
Ubuntu on the laptop with the desktop suspend or powered off.  This means
to me that the printer is accessed from the laptop via wireless.  And it
works.  So to my thinking, the issue is between the guest win2k and the
host Ubuntu 16.04 on the laptop.  The fact that the printer is accessed
from the desktop via USB should be irrelevant.

-Denis

On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 10:36 AM, John Jason Jordan <joh...@gmx.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 8 Oct 2017 08:38:57 -0700
> Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> dijo:
>
> >I have tried Add Printer. Chose Network Printer. It cannot find it.
> >Tried browsing; picking some names; no success.
> >Chose Local Printer.  It gives me that port list that does not have my
> >printer listed. Tried create a new port; got lost in the questions.
>
> I can offer suggestions for network connection only because I have no
> experience printing via USB.
>
> Usually the Ubuntu Add printer GUI will find the printer on the network,
> although it is slower than the second coming. I've had it take up to
> five minutes, so give it lots of time to find the printer on your
> network. And, of course, be sure the printer is turned on and actually
> connected to the network. Also, there is usually a place in the
> printer's menu to set the printer's IP address, which I strongly
> recommend. Once you have set its IP address you can verify that it's
> really connected with a simple ping. And a simple suggestion, write its
> IP address on a slip of paper and tape it to somewhere obvious on the
> printer. With its address set in the printer your router will always
> give it that address. And speaking of its IP address, nothing is going
> to find the printer if its IP address points to the wrong network,
> another reason for setting its IP address manually.
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[PLUG] Printing from Virtual Box

[Denis Heidtmann]

On my laptop, I have VB in Ubuntu 16.04 running Windows 2000.  Before I
changed my desktop computer and wireless router I could print from 2000.
The printer is connected to the desktop via USB.  The printer is also
connected wirelessly to the new wireless Comcast Modem/router.  I can print
from Ubuntu on the laptop.

The long dialogue below is my attempt to show what I have tried to restore
the printing capability to the windows guest.  I hope that someone here
might be able to direct me along the path to success.

Thanks,
-Denis

In Ubuntu, from System Settings/printers/Settings:


Device URI:
dnssd://HP%20Officejet%204630%20series%20%5B69E035%5D._ipp._tcp.local/?uuid=1c852a4d-b800-1f08-abcd-8cdcd469e035
Make and Model: HP Officejet 4630 Series, hpcups 3.16.3

Officejet_4630 @ LenovoDesktop
Device URI: ipps://LenovoDesktop.local:631/printers/Officejet_4630
Make and Model: Remote Printer

Officejet_4630_fax @ LenovoDesktop
Device URI:ipps://LenovoDesktop.local:631/printers/Officejet_4630_fax
Make and Model: Remote Printer

Going to http://localhost:631/printers/ I can then get to the HP Officejet
4630 series queue but not to the others
 example link: ipps://LenovoDesktop.local:631/printers/Officejet_4630

Going to Add Printer I see under Network Printer (among other things):
HP Officejet 4630 (10.0.0.244) port 9100

Now in VirtualBox settings:
I see Network Adapter PCnet-FAST III (Am79C973) attached to Bridged Adapter
named wlp3s0 promiscuous Mode allow all MAC Address 080027D66D3F cable
connected

>From Windows 2000, Printers I see HP4630 on R2D5 and Net-it-now! SE for
Mathsoft. (The second is associated with MathCad; of little present
interest.) The first is the present printer when the the old desktop was in
service.  The 4630 is not shown to be listed under any port.  Avail. ports
are LPT1 - LPT3, Com1 - Com4, File, USB003, USB001.  The driver is hp
deskjet 990c series.  This what HP recommends for using this new printer
with old Win2k.  It worked with the old desktop and router. It is not
shared.

I have tried Add Printer. Chose Network Printer. It cannot find it. Tried
browsing; picking some names; no success.
Chose Local Printer.  It gives me that port list that does not have my
printer listed. Tried create a new port; got lost in the questions.
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Re: [PLUG] Printer help

[Denis Heidtmann]

More on this.  I (re)installed the printer after deleting it.  Now I see
cups has three entries: HP office jet 4630 series, HP office jet 4630
@Lenovo desktop, and HP office jet fax @Lenovo desktop. The first of these
has the address http://localhost:631/printers/HP-Officejet-4630-series, the
2nd and 3rd have ipps:// addresses.  The first also has a status of "idle,
waiting for job to complete."  The others are "idle."

I only installed it once; printing is successful.

I am baffled.

-Denis

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:28 AM, Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> That certainly seems to match my experience.  The mysteries of intricate
> software.
>
> -Denis
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 5:56 AM, Rich Shepard <rshep...@appl-ecosys.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 1 Oct 2017, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
>>
>> > Question is, what could be going on? I know that the information I have
>> > supplied is sketchy, but there is so much I could dig up that would not
>> be
>> > relevant, and I do not have a good sense what might be relevant, that I
>> > hope to see a barrage of question helping me narrow the scope of
>> > relevancy.
>>
>> Denis,
>>
>>For reason(s) unknown to me because I've not looked for them, CUPS
>> will,
>> occasionally, silently refuse to print jobs for a printer. When the
>> printer
>> status is 'ready to print' or 'idle' or 'accpting jobs' but nothing moves
>> from its print queue I've deleted the printer and re-added it with the
>> same
>> parameters. That always clears the blockage.
>>
>>This happens infrequently enough that I remove/add the printer and go
>> on.
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Printer help

[Denis Heidtmann]

That certainly seems to match my experience.  The mysteries of intricate
software.

-Denis

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 5:56 AM, Rich Shepard <rshep...@appl-ecosys.com>
wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Oct 2017, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
>
> > Question is, what could be going on? I know that the information I have
> > supplied is sketchy, but there is so much I could dig up that would not
> be
> > relevant, and I do not have a good sense what might be relevant, that I
> > hope to see a barrage of question helping me narrow the scope of
> > relevancy.
>
> Denis,
>
>For reason(s) unknown to me because I've not looked for them, CUPS will,
> occasionally, silently refuse to print jobs for a printer. When the printer
> status is 'ready to print' or 'idle' or 'accpting jobs' but nothing moves
> from its print queue I've deleted the printer and re-added it with the same
> parameters. That always clears the blockage.
>
>This happens infrequently enough that I remove/add the printer and go
> on.
>
> HTH,
>
> Rich
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[PLUG] Printer help

[Denis Heidtmann]

I have an HP office jet 4630.  It is connected to my desktop computer via
USB.  I was able to print from my laptop until I changed my wireless router
(long story documented here) to my Comcast wireless modem.  I had momentary
success restoring the laptop's access when I set up "wireless direct" in
the printer to connect to the new wireless, but then I kept getting jobs
held in the laptop's queue.  In frustration I deleted the printers as seen
in my laptop and then installed the same printer using the same gui.  Now
it works.

Question is, what could be going on?  I know that the information I  have
supplied is sketchy, but there is so much I could dig up that would not be
relevant, and I do not have a good sense what might be relevant, that I
hope to see a barrage of question helping me narrow the scope of relevancy.

-Thanks,
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Re: [PLUG] Is there a DNS cache in the Comcast modem?

[Denis Heidtmann]

Well, dyslexia strikes again.  I just crawled under the desk again to check
the model number and find that it is TG1682G.  I appreciate your being
gentle in questioning the model number.

I looked up the specs and manual, but could not answer my own question due
to ignorance on my part.

-Denis

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 1:51 PM, King Beowulf <kingbeow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 09/20/2017 02:08 PM, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > Snarky, yes, but I appreciate the advice.  I had a wireless router which
> > you may recall from a previous post was blamed for a DNS poisoning event
> > (likely erroneously.)  And I have been considering Ooma for a while.  It
> is
> > time to do it.  Then getting my own cable modem will be simpler--more
> > choices if voice is not needed.  And it does appear I have learned
> little,
> > but not nothing, on this list.  Some people are slow learners.
> >
> > But for curiosity's sake, does this modem have a DNS cache?
>
> I still find it suspicious that I can't find your Arris TG1268T anywhere
> on 3 search engines and Arris web site.  The router portion, which does
> the DNS lookup, and is where you set the wifi info etc), is most likely
> accessed via the base internal network address, typically 192.168.1.1
> for example, and look for menu for Network and DNS.  There might be
> something under Interfaces.  If the firmware is based on openwrt or
> similar, it's most likely using dnsmasq, which uses a cache although the
> default size "might" be set to zero.  restarting dnsmasq clears the cache.
>
> Also, don't forget that browsers can cache dns as well. (Firefox
> about:config look for "network.dnsCache")
>
> >
> > I believe they do use the wireless in the modem to provide xfinity
> > wireless, but I have been lead to believe it does not go under my
> bandwidth
> > and data cap.  My laptop reports an xfinity wireless but I have been
> unable
> > to connect to it.  Instead I connect to wireless using one I have named
> > Comcastrrash in the Arris.
> >
>
> Well, Bill W. responded to this. I will just add the trust must be
> earned, something Comcast hasn't done IMHO. I solve the wifi issue by
> not giving them access to "free" wifi.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Is there a DNS cache in the Comcast modem?

[Denis Heidtmann]

Snarky, yes, but I appreciate the advice.  I had a wireless router which
you may recall from a previous post was blamed for a DNS poisoning event
(likely erroneously.)  And I have been considering Ooma for a while.  It is
time to do it.  Then getting my own cable modem will be simpler--more
choices if voice is not needed.  And it does appear I have learned little,
but not nothing, on this list.  Some people are slow learners.

But for curiosity's sake, does this modem have a DNS cache?

I believe they do use the wireless in the modem to provide xfinity
wireless, but I have been lead to believe it does not go under my bandwidth
and data cap.  My laptop reports an xfinity wireless but I have been unable
to connect to it.  Instead I connect to wireless using one I have named
Comcastrrash in the Arris.

-Denis

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 12:45 PM, King Beowulf <kingbeow...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 09/18/2017 10:16 PM, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > Answered by Comcast chat:
> >
> > I asked the question in my opening statement.  Here is the dialog.  Your
> > task is to tell me what the answer is.
> >
> > Harpreet 11:40 AM Let me check
> >
> > Harpreet 11:41 AM Just for the account security, May I have the complete
> > service address along with the zip code ?
> > ...
>
> 
>
> You made a few errors in trying to resolve your recent cable modem issues:
>
> 1.  Arris TG1268T looks to be an EMTa telephony modem.  However I can't
> check with Arris since that model number does not appear to exist.
> Personally, I would not use anything C. provides and this avoid their
> nonsense and rental fees.
>
> 2.  since you want to clear DNS, that means you cable modem is also a
> wifi router?
>   2a C. is very likely hosting "free" xfinity wifi service using your
> bandwidth and data cap.
>   2b. cable modem + router is a non-optimal performance and security
> arrangement for you home network.
>   2c. Are you mad? have you learned nothing on this list?
>
> 3. You are using C. VOIP service. See 2c.
>
> I used to have one of their Arris EMTa cable modems (not a router since
> still had a nice wifi router) and VOIP service.  They do not even
> provide the backup battery!  I had all sorts of issues and went through
> 2 cable modems in <2 years.  I then smartened up:
>
> netgear WNDR3700 gigabit 802.11abg/n 2.4 and Ghz dual band running
> OpenWRT with 3 wifi SSIDs
> Its getting a antique but still works well.  It might be time for one of
> the new fancy AC versions, but with DD-Wrt or OpenWRT of course
> (Gargoyle is another good choice based on OpenWrt).
>
> Netgear CM600 cable modem
> It is mine. The admin pw is MINE.  no wifi, just 2 ports: coax and RJ45.
>  Idiot C. had to "provision" it twice and then they told me I had a
> loose cable and would I like to have a tech come in and install it for
> me?  Really?  I'm a freakin' service engineer for multinational
> laboratory equipment manufacturer and I CAN'T FIGURE OUT A LOOSE COAX
> CABLE!  
>
> Ooma Telo modem and VOIP service with bluetooth dongle
> Solid, cheap, has more features that C. and I sprung for premier service
> for a few extra features.  The BT dongle allows me to answer my cell
> using the handsets.  There are other service options as well.
>
> I have complete control over my network and DNS cache. I DO NOT USE C.
> DNS servers.  I may need to use C. as my ISP, but that does not mean
> they get any more $ than necessary.  Once I year or so I call, nicely
> threaten to quite and the cut my fee in 1/2 for another year.
>
> Denis, the above may be a wee snarky, but I feel your pain.  I seriously
> recommend getting your own hardware.  If you are in PDX area, I can assist.
>
> Have fun.
> Ed
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Re: [PLUG] Is there a DNS cache in the Comcast modem?

[Denis Heidtmann]

The thing is he said Yes to start, then he offered to clear the cache, then
he said no.  I do not know what the correct answer is.

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 9:13 AM, Mike C.  wrote:

> On 9/19/17 8:15 AM, plug-requ...@lists.pdxlinux.org wrote:
> > Denis 12:10 PM OK. I know what DNS stands for. Local systems often
> maintain
> > a local cache of recently used sites. My original question was does my
> > modem have such a cache. Now is seems your answer is No, it does not. Do
> I
> > understand you correctly?
> >
> > Harpreet 12:11 PM yes, you are
> Although that was painful to read. It didn't take me 36 mins. Good
> grief... =(
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[PLUG] Is there a DNS cache in the Comcast modem?

[Denis Heidtmann]

Answered by Comcast chat:

I asked the question in my opening statement.  Here is the dialog.  Your
task is to tell me what the answer is.

Harpreet 11:40 AM Let me check

Harpreet 11:41 AM Just for the account security, May I have the complete
service address along with the zip code ?
...

Harpreet 11:42 AM Perfect.Thank you for that information.

Harpreet 11:43 AM Denis, are you getting any error while you are using your
internet?

Denis 11:44 AM Not at present.

Harpreet 11:45 AM Okay no worries, '

Harpreet 11:45 AM for your satisfaction

Harpreet 11:45 AM I can do some troubleshooting for you internet

Harpreet 11:46 AM I would need to send a refresh signal to reactivate your
modem to resynchronize your modem to our system. Please allow me a minute
or 2 to complete the process.

Denis 11:47 AM Please do not do that.

Harpreet 11:47 AM Sure

Denis 11:47 AM Trouble shooting is not required.

Denis 11:47 AM Can you answer my question?

Denis 11:48 AM What does resynchronize mean?

Harpreet 11:49 AM Denis, sure

Harpreet 11:49 AM Let me flush your DNS

Harpreet 11:49 AM let me check

Harpreet 11:49 AM Please stay connected while I am still working on it

Denis 11:50 AM So one answer to my question is Yes, the Arris TG1268T does
have a DNS cache?

Harpreet 11:50 AM yes

Denis 11:51 AM Good to know. Now, for future reference, is flushing the
cache something I can do, or must I contact Comcast to do that?

Harpreet 11:52 AM Denis, you can do it your self

Denis 11:52 AM Wonderful!

Harpreet 11:52 AM You're welcome.

Denis 11:54 AM How can I do it? Is there a choice in the browser window in
the modem?

Harpreet 11:54 AM I will share the steps with you

Denis 11:55 AM Thank you.

Harpreet 11:55 AM Please follow the link I will provide you to flush the DNS

Harpreet 11:55 AM You're welcome.

11:57 AM http://www.wikihow.com/Flush-DNS

Harpreet 11:57 AM Please follow the link

Denis 11:59 AM I do not think it has instructions for Linux.

Harpreet 11:59 AM no worries

11:59 AM Let me check for the Linux

Harpreet 12:00 PM
https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/rhel-debian-ubuntu-flush-clear-dns-cache/

Harpreet 12:00 PM Please follow the link

Denis 12:03 PM OK. This appears to have instructions for flushing the cache
in my computer, not in the modem. Is this correct? If so, we get back to
the question of is there a DNS cache in the modem?

Harpreet 12:06 PM Denis, if you want to flush your Modem's DNS I would
request you please directly connect your device to the modem equipment
using an Ethernet Cord

Harpreet 12:07 PM Just for the confirmation, there is not DNS in the modem

Harpreet 12:07 PM this is a part of system

Harpreet 12:08 PM it is Domain Name Server

Denis 12:10 PM OK. I know what DNS stands for. Local systems often maintain
a local cache of recently used sites. My original question was does my
modem have such a cache. Now is seems your answer is No, it does not. Do I
understand you correctly?

Harpreet 12:11 PM yes, you are

Harpreet 12:14 PM Denis, I just wanted to clear you with the full of
details about the DNS

Harpreet 12:14 PM that is why it took time

Denis 12:15 PM Thank you for the education.

Harpreet 12:15 PM You are most welcome

Harpreet 12:16 PM I hope we have resolved all of your concern to your
satisfaction today?

Denis 12:16 PM I hope so.

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Re: [PLUG] Internet access certificate issues

[Denis Heidtmann]

It turns out dnsmasq is installed, but not in etc:

~$ sudo /etc/init.d/dnsmasq restart
[sudo] password for denis:
sudo: /etc/init.d/dnsmasq: command not found

$ which dnsmasq
/usr/sbin/dnsmasq

$ /usr/sbin/dnsmasq restart

dnsmasq: junk found in command line

I tried to read the man page, but like so much of this subject it might as
well be Greek.  Besides,  the man page is long enough to be a Doctoral
thesis.  I think there is no use to discussing this subject with me, as I
do not understand Greek.  Thanks for your valiant efforts, though.  If the
issue comes up again I will seek out your and anybody else's expert advice.

Thanks again,

-Denis


On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Mike C.  wrote:

> On 9/18/17 12:00 PM, plug-requ...@lists.pdxlinux.org wrote:
> > /etc/rc.d/init.d/nscd restart
> > bash: /etc/rc.d/init.d/nscd: No such file or directory
> >
> > I am running Ubuntu 16.04.
> >
> > -Denis
> It's most likely that nscd is not installed. I don't run Ubuntu, so I
> don't know what apps & daemons are installed and run at startup by
> default. You can try these other commands. I think dnsmasq might be
> installed and run at startup by default on Ubuntu.
>
> sudo /etc/init.d/dns-clean restart
>
> sudo /etc/init.d/networking force-reload
>
> *To flush dnsmasq dns cache:*
>
> sudo /etc/init.d/dnsmasq restart
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Re: [PLUG] Internet access certificate issues

[Denis Heidtmann]

Thanks for your reply.  I am afraid that some of your advice goes over my
head, but I checked your your link for flushing the DNS cache.  Problem:

/etc/rc.d/init.d/nscd restart
bash: /etc/rc.d/init.d/nscd: No such file or directory

I am running Ubuntu 16.04.

-Denis


On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Mike C.  wrote:

> On 9/16/17 12:00 PM, plug-requ...@lists.pdxlinux.org wrote:
> > Where does DNS poisoning occur?  Since it was just local to my machine
> (no
> > general complaints noticed), then something local must have been hacked.
> > This could have been either my router or my modem, since my laptop
> > connecting via wireless to the router also had the problem.  The modem
> was
> > reset a few times during my contact with Comcast's technician, so it
> could
> > have been the modem if reset clears the cache.
> >
> > This whole thing is above my pay grade. Bottom line, if it recurs, what
> > should I do to find out what is happening?
>
> DNS poisoning initially occurs at the DNS server. An untrusted fake name
> record is introduced and then is cached in the DNS server and served to
> any unwitting entity that makes a DNS A record lookup for a hostname/fqdn.
>
> This is unlikely to be of a nefarious nature and far more likely to be
> caused by crappy code in the airRouter. I did tech. support work for a
> local manufacturer of lower-end APs that ran open source based software.
> Oh, the DNS & DHCP nightmare problems I could tell you about.
>
> I did a quick Google on this and found that people experienced similar
> problems with the Cisco RV130. If I recall the fix was a config change.
>
> I don't know if the Comcast modems run a DNS caching server. I doubt it,
> but maybe. I've been using a dns caching server on my linux boxen for
> many years. Now many linux distros come with dnsmasq installed and it
> runs at startup by default.  I think modern versions of MS Win also do
> this.
>
> So, what you do if this happens again? Here's what I would do.
>
> 1. Flush the dns cache on your computer and then try again. Here's how
> to do it on all OSs.
> https://www.techiecorner.com/35/how-to-flush-dns-cache-in-
> linux-windows-mac/
>
> 2. If problem persists, plug directly into the modem and try it again.
>
> 3. If problem persists, edit the /etc/resolv.conf file, add the Google
> nameserver addresses and try again.
> nameserver 8.8.8.8
> nameserver 8.8.4.4
>
> *NOTE: This is only temporary and will be overwritten upon the next DHCP
> renewal unless you edit the dhcp config file so that it doesn't request
> DNS entries or disable DNS on the Comcast modem.
>
> 4. If problem still persists, which I suspect is highly unlikely, then
> I'd probably start looking at either running some heavy duty malware
> software on your pc or wiping it and re-installing the OS from scratch.
>
> HTH!,
>
> Mike
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Re: [PLUG] Internet access certificate issues

[Denis Heidtmann]

So it is unlikely that the router was the issue, and even if it was, any
hope of confirming that is gone.

Now  to the present state.  I am connected directly to the Comcast Modem,
an Arris  TG1268T.  The modem has wireless, and that is set up to function
(I use it for my laptop.)  This afternoon I noticed that the 2.5Ghz light
is flashing once every 6 seconds.  I do not know if that is new or not.
But assuming that the bad behavior was caused by bad actors, might I still
have nasty stuff installed somewhere?  How do I check?  If it recurs, what
should I do to find out what is happening?

There is an SSID and PW label pasted to  the modem, said to be unique to
this particular box.  What does that information allow one to access, and
from where?

Where does DNS poisoning occur?  Since it was just local to my machine (no
general complaints noticed), then something local must have been hacked.
This could have been either my router or my modem, since my laptop
connecting via wireless to the router also had the problem.  The modem was
reset a few times during my contact with Comcast's technician, so it could
have been the modem if reset clears the cache.

This whole thing is above my pay grade. Bottom line, if it recurs, what
should I do to find out what is happening?

Thanks for all the helpful comments.

-Denis

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Russell Senior <russ...@personaltelco.net>
wrote:

> >>>>> "Denis" == Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> Denis> The router is out of service, not powered.  Is there any way to
> Denis> diagnose it at this point, or would I have to place it back in
> Denis> service and observe a repeat of the problem?  Or is the problem
> Denis> not in the router at all; just coincidence that it went away when
> Denis> I removed the router?  Clearly I need some very basic
> Denis> understanding of how all these things operate.
>
> Assuming my wild-assed guess has any merit ...
>
> The problem probably wasn't in the router, except for some transient
> state, which probably would go away with a power cycle.  Unless it was
> under an ongoing "attack".  I don't think the stock firmware preserves
> any state, to speak of, over a reboot.
>
> One thing to do is to determine whether DNS is the problem.  You can
> ping hosts where you were seeing the problem and see if the IP address(es)
> makes sense.  If possible, try from a different machine (or have someone
> else do that), and see if they agree.
>
> The certificate issue comes from asking the machine to provide some
> proof it is who it claims to be and finding that it can't.  My theory is
> that it's because it isn't the right machine.  It could be that the
> service is broken (e.g. the certificate expired, or the server is
> misconfigured). However, if you are seeing this at a big name, popular
> service, or at more than one unrelated services at the same time, then
> the probability of that being innocent seems to go way down.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Internet access certificate issues

[Denis Heidtmann]

The router is out of service,  not powered.  Is there any way to diagnose
it at this  point, or would I have to place it back in service and observe
a repeat of the problem?  Or is the problem not in  the router at all; just
coincidence that it went away when I removed the router?  Clearly I need
some very basic understanding of how all  these things operate.

-Denis

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Russell Senior <russ...@personaltelco.net>
wrote:

> >>>>> "Denis" == Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> Denis> [...] My son suggested that the router was attacked.  Other
> Denis> explanations could be poor wired connections: one end of one of
> Denis> the Ethernet cables is missing the mechanical lock. Maybe it got
> Denis> noisy.  Also, it could be the power supply to the router is
> Denis> failing.  I have not checked it yet.
>
> Denis> My son want to examine the router.  How about you, Russell?
>
> That sounds like maybe DNS poisoning, someone giving incorrect answers
> to your device's DNS requests in order to try to redirect your browser
> to a spoofed site, possibly to try to steal your credentials.
>
> Don't tell your browser to accept invalid certificates!  Rebooting the
> AirRouter should clear its cache.  Diagnosing probably involves running
> tcpdump to see what's going on.
>
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[PLUG] Internet access certificate issues

[Denis Heidtmann]

System:  Comcast cable into a wireless modem >- Ethernet to wireless router
(airRouter) >-  Ethernet to desktop computer.  Also have a laptop wireless
connection to the airRouter (no pw protection)

Yesterday at about 9:30 AM I was unable to reach a site (forgot which
one).  The message said that the credentials were only valid for another
site.  That site other was a web site service outfit; I was able to reach
it.  I got a similar message trying to reach Google and Mozilla, but no
reference to another site.  I left to do other things.  Computer in suspend.

My wife ran into similar issues mid afternoon.  Unable to get to any sites,
in particular Google.  She gave up.  I arrived at 5 pm or so.  Same issue.
Messages were that the certificates were not valid.  I tried various sites;
always the same. Tried two other browsers.  One of those permitted me to go
to the site anyway, ignoring the warning.  That resulted in 400 error.

I phoned Comcast.  Got a tech that seemed very interested and
knowledgeable. (He runs Linux at home.)  After much reseting, power
cycling, etc. we tried removing the airRouter from the picture and the
problem resolved.  I am operating now without the airRouter.  It is sitting
here next to my elbow.  I should mention that once during this effort I did
get a  different message: Server not found.  This was brief.

My son suggested that the router was attacked.  Other explanations could be
poor wired connections:  one end of one of the Ethernet cables is missing
the mechanical lock. Maybe it got noisy.  Also, it could be the power
supply to the router is failing.  I have not checked it yet.

My son want to examine the router.  How about you, Russell?

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Re: [PLUG] Moving/copying old home to new machine

[Denis Heidtmann]

I have successfully moved my data to my new machine using an external
drive.  Thanks for all the help.

Maybe this discussion of rsync, ssh, large, and small should be moved to a
new thread.  I would certainly be interested in learning from such
discussion.

-Denis

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 3:41 AM, Michael <mich...@jamhome.us> wrote:

> Paul, Russel,
>
> Both of you have used relative terms in describing sizes.
>
> What is small-ish?
> What is VERY LARGE?
>
> Please describe in terms file count, aggregate size of data, or other
> metrics.
>
> If nothing else it will provide some humor in the future. "They
> considered that VERY LARGE? hahahaha" "small-ISH? it's less than a disk
> block, that's tiny."
>
>
>
>
> On 2017-09-05 09:42, Paul Heinlein wrote:
> > On Sun, 3 Sep 2017, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> >
> >> I am wanting to copy my home folder from my old machine to my new one.
> >>  I
> >> was planning on putting either the old or the new drive in a usb dock
> >> and
> >> copying everything over using cp -pr.  But web comments mention rsync.
> >> What are the risks/rewards of the various choices?
> >
> > For a one-time copy of a small-ish directory tree, either will probably
> > suffice.
> >
> > If you experience a mid-copy failure, rsync won't recopy any files
> > that have already been copies, whereas cp will just start again from
> > the beginning.
> >
> > As someone else mentioned, rsync can work over the network.
> >
> > rsync over a network can handle the situation where your UID/GID on
> > the source system is different from that on the destination.
> >
> > Typically "cp" will be somewhat faster while rsync Pauwill be safer and
> > more flexible.
> >
> > Personally, I'm a fan of using tar over ssh for initial copies,
> > because tar handles hard and soft links gracefully and quickly:
> >
> > cd /home
> > tar cf - yourdir | ssh your.new.host "cd /home && tar xf -"
> > # if you're really seeking safety, then run sync too.
> > # XXX: note lack of trailing slash in source directory.
> > rsync -av  /home/yourdir  your.new.host:/home
> >
> > Of course, that just muddies the water of your original question. :-)
>
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[PLUG] clone old home to new machine home

[Denis Heidtmann]

OK.  What I used when I copied my home folders/files to the external drive
was cp -pR . /media/household/oldhome.  What was copied were all folders
and files, recursively.  So instead of using the dot to indicate that the
source is the current folder (which was /home/household) I had used * I
would get no dot files or folders at the top level but all dot and regular
files and folders below the top level.  But what I did is fine for copying
to the external drive.  They are all available if needed.

Now you say avoiding the top level dot folders and files is what I should
do.

>From the top level in the external drive I execute cp -pR *
/home/household/ should do this.  Does the presence or absence of the /
after household matter?

Thanks so much for your patience.

-Denis

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Tomas Kuchta <tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com
> wrote:

> No it will not.
>
> * Is for all files and directories, exclusive of dot files. Dot files might
> be included in the subdirectories, but that does not matter when you are in
> home.
>
> If you would want to address dot files, you would have to say: .*
>
>
>
> On Sep 10, 2017 8:19 AM, "Denis Heidtmann" <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > cp -pr * /home/household/  will bring all the dot folders in
> > /home/household, numbering about 24 dot folders and 19 dot files. The
> > exclude option in rsync will do it when I can figure out how to write the
> > PATTERN --exclude requires. The shell gets first shot at it.
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Tomas Kuchta <
> > tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Just copy back (or restore) your data only. Surely you know what and
> > where
> > > you have it: Documents, Videos, Music, etc. Re-install is always an
> > > opportunity to clean up and organize old suff.
> > >
> > > Alternatively, you could copy everything, but the dot files preserving
> > > chaos. :-)
> > > cd toYourBackupDirectory
> > > cp -pr * /home/$USER/
> > >
> > > This will copy all your old (non-dot) files and directories to your new
> > > home.
> > > I forgot the name for your username, hence the $USER variable.
> > >
> > > If you prefer rsync, the command woul look this way:
> > > rsync -a --progress * /home/$USER/
> > >
> > > Hope it helps,
> > > Tomas
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sep 9, 2017 9:59 PM, "Denis Heidtmann" <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Tomas,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the advice.  Avoiding the . files sounds safest. I can have
> > them
> > > available if it looks like I need what is in them in particular cases.
> > Now
> > > I need to understand how to avoid including them.  I do not see that cp
> > > offers that, but perhaps rsync does.
> > >
> > > -Denis
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Tomas Kuchta <
> > tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would avoid copying files and directories starting with . Unless I
> > know
> > > > why I want the old file/directory. Example of what to copy over
> > .Mozilla
> > > if
> > > > you want your old browser config or emails Would try to avoid
> > > > kde/gnome/config files and directories, unless I need some of them.
> > > >
> > > > Tomas
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sep 9, 2017 6:55 PM, "Denis Heidtmann" <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It occurs to me that the source being 14.04 and the target being
> > 16.04
> > > is
> > > > > likely a complications.  See
> > > > > http://eggsonbread.com/2010/01/28/move-ubuntu-to-another-
> > > > > computer-in-3-simple-steps/
> > > > >
> > > > > I could upgrade the old 14.04 to 16.04 first to comply with the
> > linked
> > > > > instructions. (But note that those are from 2010.)  If I ignore
> this
> > > > little
> > > > > complication I worry that things will break badly.  Matching the
> > > versions
> > > > > is not a huge pain.
> > > > >
> > > > > I do not see that cp requires special handling for . files.  True?
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Rich Shepard <
> > rshep...@appl-ecosys.com
> > > >

[PLUG] Please God have someone change the subject. cloning old home tree

[Denis Heidtmann]

I am sorry, Michael.  Until a couple of days ago I would get messages from
PLUG. On Topic and Respectful, or something like that.  Now all I am
getting is the digest, and I am not accustomed to having to change the
subject.

Is there a way to get back to the usual behavior?

-Denis

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Michael Rasmussen <mich...@michaelsnet.us>
wrote:

>
> On 2017-09-09 12:18, David Phillips wrote:
> > Why not use rsync to dupe the data?
> >
> >
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> >> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 17:05:36 -0700
> >> From: Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> >> Subject: [PLUG] Old home xfer to new?
> >> To: "General Linux/UNIX discussion and help, civil and on-topic"
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> >>
> >> I hopefully have what is needed to put what is in home on my old
> >> machine
> >> into the new machine.  I have an external drive into which I
> >> transferred
> >> using cp -R the contents of home.  (I believe the uid is the same on
> >> both
> >> machines: 1000
> >>
> >> The new machine home folder is /home/household which has about 35
> >> items in
> >> it--11 "dot" files, 13 "dot" folders, and 8 other folders and 1 file.
> >> With
> >> only a couple of exceptions these were created when installing Ubuntu
> >> 16.04.
> >>
> >> The old machine home folder has about 85 items in it.  It is a 14.04
> >> machine.
> >>
> >> On the external drive resides those 85 items + the folders below.
> >> They
> >> need to go into /home/household on the new machine.
> >>
> >> Two questions:
> >>
> >> Many of the system folders/files on the two machines have the same
> >> names,
> >> as do the sub-folders.  How do I decide which to use: those from the
> >> old or
> >> those from the new?  (This strikes me as an opportunity to break some
> >> stuff
> >> either way.)
> >>
> >> What cp command do I use to transfer the files so that they end up in
> >> the
> >> /home/household folder?  (I was surprised that when transferring the
> >> data I
> >> did not end up with a top folder called household.)
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> -Denis
> >>
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Re: [PLUG] PLUG Digest, Vol 156, Issue 17

[Denis Heidtmann]

cp -pr * /home/household/  will bring all the dot folders in
/home/household, numbering about 24 dot folders and 19 dot files. The
exclude option in rsync will do it when I can figure out how to write the
PATTERN --exclude requires. The shell gets first shot at it.

On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Tomas Kuchta <tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Just copy back (or restore) your data only. Surely you know what and where
> you have it: Documents, Videos, Music, etc. Re-install is always an
> opportunity to clean up and organize old suff.
>
> Alternatively, you could copy everything, but the dot files preserving
> chaos. :-)
> cd toYourBackupDirectory
> cp -pr * /home/$USER/
>
> This will copy all your old (non-dot) files and directories to your new
> home.
> I forgot the name for your username, hence the $USER variable.
>
> If you prefer rsync, the command woul look this way:
> rsync -a --progress * /home/$USER/
>
> Hope it helps,
> Tomas
>
>
> On Sep 9, 2017 9:59 PM, "Denis Heidtmann" <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Tomas,
>
> Thanks for the advice.  Avoiding the . files sounds safest. I can have them
> available if it looks like I need what is in them in particular cases.  Now
> I need to understand how to avoid including them.  I do not see that cp
> offers that, but perhaps rsync does.
>
> -Denis
>
> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Tomas Kuchta <tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > I would avoid copying files and directories starting with . Unless I know
> > why I want the old file/directory. Example of what to copy over .Mozilla
> if
> > you want your old browser config or emails Would try to avoid
> > kde/gnome/config files and directories, unless I need some of them.
> >
> > Tomas
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sep 9, 2017 6:55 PM, "Denis Heidtmann" <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > It occurs to me that the source being 14.04 and the target being 16.04
> is
> > > likely a complications.  See
> > > http://eggsonbread.com/2010/01/28/move-ubuntu-to-another-
> > > computer-in-3-simple-steps/
> > >
> > > I could upgrade the old 14.04 to 16.04 first to comply with the linked
> > > instructions. (But note that those are from 2010.)  If I ignore this
> > little
> > > complication I worry that things will break badly.  Matching the
> versions
> > > is not a huge pain.
> > >
> > > I do not see that cp requires special handling for . files.  True?
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Rich Shepard <rshep...@appl-ecosys.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sat, 9 Sep 2017, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Would rsync make my first question moot?
> > > >
> > > > Denis.
> > > >
> > > >Perhaps. Read the rsync man page to better understand it. Briefly,
> > > rsync
> > > > will compare the same file name on source and target and copy the
> > former
> > > > version over the latter version if the source is newer. If there are
> > > files
> > > > on the source that are not on the target, rsync will copy the source
> to
> > > the
> > > > target so both directories have the latest version of all files.
> > > >
> > > >Be aware, however, that specifying the source directory only
> regular
> > > > files
> > > > and subdirectories are examined and synchronized; e.g., if the source
> > ~/
> > > is
> > > > the pwd, 'rsync * target/home/me/'; if the pwd is your target
> > directory,
> > > > 'rsync source/home/me/ .'. To synchronize the dot files you need to
> > > specify
> > > > '.*' to indicate all dot files instead of '*' to specify all normal
> > > files.
> > > > I
> > > > got caught once by thinking that '*' copied dot files, too. It don't.
> > > >
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Re: [PLUG] PLUG Digest, Vol 156, Issue 17

[Denis Heidtmann]

Tomas,

Thanks for the advice.  Avoiding the . files sounds safest. I can have them
available if it looks like I need what is in them in particular cases.  Now
I need to understand how to avoid including them.  I do not see that cp
offers that, but perhaps rsync does.

-Denis

On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Tomas Kuchta <tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I would avoid copying files and directories starting with . Unless I know
> why I want the old file/directory. Example of what to copy over .Mozilla if
> you want your old browser config or emails Would try to avoid
> kde/gnome/config files and directories, unless I need some of them.
>
> Tomas
>
>
>
> On Sep 9, 2017 6:55 PM, "Denis Heidtmann" <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > It occurs to me that the source being 14.04 and the target being 16.04 is
> > likely a complications.  See
> > http://eggsonbread.com/2010/01/28/move-ubuntu-to-another-
> > computer-in-3-simple-steps/
> >
> > I could upgrade the old 14.04 to 16.04 first to comply with the linked
> > instructions. (But note that those are from 2010.)  If I ignore this
> little
> > complication I worry that things will break badly.  Matching the versions
> > is not a huge pain.
> >
> > I do not see that cp requires special handling for . files.  True?
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Rich Shepard <rshep...@appl-ecosys.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, 9 Sep 2017, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > >
> > > > Would rsync make my first question moot?
> > >
> > > Denis.
> > >
> > >Perhaps. Read the rsync man page to better understand it. Briefly,
> > rsync
> > > will compare the same file name on source and target and copy the
> former
> > > version over the latter version if the source is newer. If there are
> > files
> > > on the source that are not on the target, rsync will copy the source to
> > the
> > > target so both directories have the latest version of all files.
> > >
> > >Be aware, however, that specifying the source directory only regular
> > > files
> > > and subdirectories are examined and synchronized; e.g., if the source
> ~/
> > is
> > > the pwd, 'rsync * target/home/me/'; if the pwd is your target
> directory,
> > > 'rsync source/home/me/ .'. To synchronize the dot files you need to
> > specify
> > > '.*' to indicate all dot files instead of '*' to specify all normal
> > files.
> > > I
> > > got caught once by thinking that '*' copied dot files, too. It don't.
> > >
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Re: [PLUG] PLUG Digest, Vol 156, Issue 17

[Denis Heidtmann]

It occurs to me that the source being 14.04 and the target being 16.04 is
likely a complications.  See
http://eggsonbread.com/2010/01/28/move-ubuntu-to-another-computer-in-3-simple-steps/

I could upgrade the old 14.04 to 16.04 first to comply with the linked
instructions. (But note that those are from 2010.)  If I ignore this little
complication I worry that things will break badly.  Matching the versions
is not a huge pain.

I do not see that cp requires special handling for . files.  True?

On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Rich Shepard <rshep...@appl-ecosys.com>
wrote:

> On Sat, 9 Sep 2017, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
>
> > Would rsync make my first question moot?
>
> Denis.
>
>Perhaps. Read the rsync man page to better understand it. Briefly, rsync
> will compare the same file name on source and target and copy the former
> version over the latter version if the source is newer. If there are files
> on the source that are not on the target, rsync will copy the source to the
> target so both directories have the latest version of all files.
>
>Be aware, however, that specifying the source directory only regular
> files
> and subdirectories are examined and synchronized; e.g., if the source ~/ is
> the pwd, 'rsync * target/home/me/'; if the pwd is your target directory,
> 'rsync source/home/me/ .'. To synchronize the dot files you need to specify
> '.*' to indicate all dot files instead of '*' to specify all normal files.
> I
> got caught once by thinking that '*' copied dot files, too. It don't.
>
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Re: [PLUG] PLUG Digest, Vol 156, Issue 17

[Denis Heidtmann]

Would rsync make my first question moot?

-Denis

On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 12:18 PM, David Phillips <dav...@itanywhere.bz>
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> Why not use rsync to dupe the data?
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> > Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 17:05:36 -0700
> > From: Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> > Subject: [PLUG] Old home xfer to new?
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> > I hopefully have what is needed to put what is in home on my old machine
> > into the new machine.  I have an external drive into which I transferred
> > using cp -R the contents of home.  (I believe the uid is the same on both
> > machines: 1000
> >
> > The new machine home folder is /home/household which has about 35 items
> in
> > it--11 "dot" files, 13 "dot" folders, and 8 other folders and 1 file.
> With
> > only a couple of exceptions these were created when installing Ubuntu
> 16.04.
> >
> > The old machine home folder has about 85 items in it.  It is a 14.04
> > machine.
> >
> > On the external drive resides those 85 items + the folders below.  They
> > need to go into /home/household on the new machine.
> >
> > Two questions:
> >
> > Many of the system folders/files on the two machines have the same names,
> > as do the sub-folders.  How do I decide which to use: those from the old
> or
> > those from the new?  (This strikes me as an opportunity to break some
> stuff
> > either way.)
> >
> > What cp command do I use to transfer the files so that they end up in the
> > /home/household folder?  (I was surprised that when transferring the
> data I
> > did not end up with a top folder called household.)
> >
> > Thanks,
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[PLUG] Old home xfer to new?

[Denis Heidtmann]

I hopefully have what is needed to put what is in home on my old machine
into the new machine.  I have an external drive into which I transferred
using cp -R the contents of home.  (I believe the uid is the same on both
machines: 1000

The new machine home folder is /home/household which has about 35 items in
it--11 "dot" files, 13 "dot" folders, and 8 other folders and 1 file.  With
only a couple of exceptions these were created when installing Ubuntu 16.04.

The old machine home folder has about 85 items in it.  It is a 14.04
machine.

On the external drive resides those 85 items + the folders below.  They
need to go into /home/household on the new machine.

Two questions:

Many of the system folders/files on the two machines have the same names,
as do the sub-folders.  How do I decide which to use: those from the old or
those from the new?  (This strikes me as an opportunity to break some stuff
either way.)

What cp command do I use to transfer the files so that they end up in the
/home/household folder?  (I was surprised that when transferring the data I
did not end up with a top folder called household.)

Thanks,
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[PLUG] Moving/copying old home to new machine

[Denis Heidtmann]

I am wanting to copy my home folder from my old machine to my new one.  I
was planning on putting either the old or the new drive in a usb dock and
copying everything over using cp -pr.  But web comments mention rsync.
What are the risks/rewards of the various choices?

Thanks,
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Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu Snap?

[Denis Heidtmann]

It does indeed seem that it is the Software Center is "suggesting" snap,
except that suggesting is a euphemism for "you gotta do this".  The command
line seemed to do the deed.

Thanks.,

-Denis

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 9:08 PM, Nat Taylor <biob...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > $ sudo apt-get install gimp
>
>
> that would be, or
>
>
> > # apt-get install gimp
>
>
> but that's being pedantic.
>
> I think the deal is Software Center suggesting snap perhaps?
> if you wanted to go about it from a gui, installing Synaptic and then
> installing gimp via Synaptic would do the trick
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:30 PM, c <cbpurc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So, is there any reason you can't just install it using the regular
> >
> > #sudo apt-get install gimp
> >
> > ?
> >
> > Purcell
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> denis.heidtm...@gmail.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I use ubuntu 16.04 on my laptop.  No mention of snap.  Setting up a new
> > > desktop I started with 16.04.3.  On trying to install Gimp I get a
> screen
> > > which wants a sign-up to install snap.  My web searching tells me that
> > this
> > > is to allow updated programs to be installed on not-so-updated OS.  The
> > > downside is that it uses more disk space and sometimes more ram because
> > the
> > > dependencies are duplicated for each application.  No information
> > > quantifying this increase space demand.
> > >
> > > One commenter said he would use snap when he was sure there were no
> > issues
> > > and he felt the advantages were worth it to him.  But also no comment
> on
> > > how to NOT use snap.  I saw no way to install Gimp without creating an
> > > account with Ubuntu.  (This account-creation makes me leery.)
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[PLUG] Ubuntu Snap?

[Denis Heidtmann]

I use ubuntu 16.04 on my laptop.  No mention of snap.  Setting up a new
desktop I started with 16.04.3.  On trying to install Gimp I get a screen
which wants a sign-up to install snap.  My web searching tells me that this
is to allow updated programs to be installed on not-so-updated OS.  The
downside is that it uses more disk space and sometimes more ram because the
dependencies are duplicated for each application.  No information
quantifying this increase space demand.

One commenter said he would use snap when he was sure there were no issues
and he felt the advantages were worth it to him.  But also no comment on
how to NOT use snap.  I saw no way to install Gimp without creating an
account with Ubuntu.  (This account-creation makes me leery.)

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Re: [PLUG] I'm shopping for hardware, what about Lenovo?

[Denis Heidtmann]

I bought used from Eco Binary on Beaverton Hillsdale Hywy.  L420 $180;
seems little used.  Selection changes as they sell and acquire new stock.

-Denis

On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 5:10 PM, VY  wrote:

> A somewhat related question.
> Where is a good place to buy Lenovo laptop (with good price)?   Is Lenovo
> website the only and best option?
>
> thanks
>
> -v
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 6:26 PM, Vedanta Teacher <
> orevedantateac...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Everyone,
> >
> >   Thank You,
> >  I'll see about ordering a T570 next week...
> >
> >
> > Blessings,
> > Paul W.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Bill Weiss 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Bill Weiss(pdxli...@houdini.spum.us)@Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 06:12:25PM
> > > +:
> > > > Joe Shisei Niski(joeni...@gmail.com)@Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 09:51:48AM
> > > -0700:
> > > > >
> > > > > On 08/23/2017 07:16 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote:
> > > > > > On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 17:53:49 -0700
> > > > > > Vedanta Teacher  dijo:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> I was thinking about replacing it with a Lenovo ThinkPad T570:
> > > > > > Thinkpads are famous for reliability and Linux compatibility. But
> > you
> > > > > > should also check out the offerings from System76.
> > > > >  Many thumbs up to System76 for for nice turnkey Linux laptops,
> > > > > responsive pre-sale staff willing and ready to answer questions,
> and
> > > > > good service. I reccomend that if you go this route , do a little
> > > > > research onthe OEM of the system ad  - I've purchased Clevo  (also
> > sold
> > > > > as Sager and Alienware) hardware from them and never had a problem.
> > Not
> > > > > sure what they're selling these days.
> > > >
> > > > I cannot more strongly recommend against System76.
> > > >
> > > > At my previous company we used them for desktops and laptops for a
> few
> > > > years. After a number of bad hardware problems (example: three
> desktops
> > > in
> > > > a row had their power supplies catch fire. Not figuratively, actual
> > smoke
> > > > and fire) and their resulting lack of ability to fix those things
> (one
> > of
> > > > those desktops was in their hands for more than a month for repairs,
> > > > during which we had to just buy another computer for that user so
> they
> > > > could work) I talked to the management to see what we could do about
> it
> > > > and the answer was "eh, we think it's probably a problem on your
> > > side."[1]
> > > > We put all the System76 machines on Craigslist and bought Dells to
> > > replace
> > > > them, which were fine.
> > > >
> > > > I hear pretty good things about Clevo/Sager, though if you go that
> > route
> > > > you're the support and warranty department :) You can get replacement
> > > > parts cheap enough, but not super quick. Consider it buying a machine
> > > > built from NewEgg and you'll be fine.
> > >
> > > I forgot my [1] footnote: we had 100 people in that office, most with
> > > desktops. We had 3 power supply fires. Guess what the common thing
> among
> > > them was? We also had no other weird power issues: no monitors or TVs
> > > getting sad, no chargers being grumpy, etc. Also, all three of those
> > > machines had the same maker/model power supply.
> > >
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Re: [PLUG] Selecting a SSD

[Denis Heidtmann]

Great!  Thanks for all the responses.

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 7:55 PM, Pete Lancashire <p...@petelancashire.com>
wrote:

> Rich said all that needs to be said
>
> > As long as you back up your /home and data you're covered
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 6:05 PM, Rich Shepard <rshep...@appl-ecosys.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 22 Aug 2017, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> >
> > > Samsung was recommended here. I see $150 for their 850 EVO 480G, and
> they
> > > have a 5 Yr. warranty v.s. 3 Yr. for the other brands in that price
> > range.
> > > But a number of reviewers report terrible interactions with their
> > warranty
> > > support. Anybody here have similar issues? Is the likelihood of failure
> > > low enough to ignore this issue? (My plan is to have the SSD my only
> > > drive, and backup of data but not a duplicate of the system.)
> >
> > Denis,
> >
> >My experience since I bought my first Seagate 20M ST225 in 1985 is
> > having
> > one drive fail about a dozen years ago ... a WD Black 500G which the
> > company
> > immediately replaced. I suspect the truism that if electonics don't
> quickly
> > fail they'll last a long time still holds.
> >
> >I have the same Samsung 850 EVO 480G SSD in my Dell Latitude E5410
> and a
> > smaller Samsung 160G SSD in my Dell Latitude 2100. I don't think about
> > failure of the drives.
> >
> >As long as you back up your /home and data you're covered ... except
> for
> > the time involved in replacing the failed drive and re-installing your
> > favorite distribution.
> >
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Re: [PLUG] Does my Lenovo desktop support msata?

[Denis Heidtmann]

That page says to insert the drive into the "mini-pci express slot on the
storage converter".  I do not have the storage converter. Even finding
the part number for the storage converter has been a struggle.  And I think
it is no longer available.  But no matter.  Just replacing the HDD with an
SSD should do fine for me.  If this option was not OK I could explore some
generic housing and see if I could fit it in and secure it so it did not
bounce around inside and break something.

If I am misinterpreting the manual, please enlighten me.

-Denis

On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Tom  wrote:

> Judging by the page 45 of this manual, it should be just a matter of
> screwing the drive in.
> http://www.lenovo.com/shop/americas/content/user_guides/m82_m92_sff_ug_
> en.pdf
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Re: [PLUG] Does my Lenovo desktop support msata?

[Denis Heidtmann]

Great idea, Tomas.  But the issue is at least mechanical:  How do I fit the
thing in?  There is a space under the optical drive, but it seems unwise to
just stick a bare board into a space surrounded by metal protrusions and
let it slide around at random.  After solving the mechanical issues, then I
can explore the connections.  The mechanical issues are solved by the
"storage converter", and that is what I have been unable to find or even
identify in any specific way.

-Denis

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Tom <tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You should have asked locally for a loaner msata device to try in your
> device.
> I have bunch of low capacity ones laying around from old laptops.
> I am sure that thy are pretty common around drawers and bins - they
> were once used ac hdd cache on 32GB capacities
> Sometimes, just trying things is the best way to find out ...
> :-) Tomas
> On Fri, 2017-08-18 at 11:45 -0700, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > Found answer.  Lenovo telephone tech support (866 910 7924) answered
> > in
> > less than 1 minute!  He looked it up and said yes.  He could not tell
> > me
> > about the SSD storage converter, however.  That is referenced in the
> > manuals.  As an aside, the room that the tech was in was filled with
> > loud
> > chatter in either Hindi or strong Hindi accents, which matched his
> > accent.
> > But I got my answer in record time.
> >
> > -Denis
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > I have posed this question to Google & Lenovo websites, but the
> > > closest I
> > > can come is Lenovo's  phrase "Not available on all models" in the
> > > manuals
> > > for my model.  The manuals are not model-specific enough.  I
> > > suspect the
> > > answer is "no", but it appears that the physical space exists.  The
> > > mechanical mounting may be the issue.  I wonder if anyone here has
> > > knowledge that might help.
> > >
> > > The machine:
> > > Lenovo ThinkCenter M92P
> > > Machine type: 3227
> > > Model #: W3S
> > > S/N: MJ28WA0 (final could O)
> > > Prod. ID: 3227 W3S
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > -Denis
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Re: [PLUG] Does my Lenovo desktop support msata?

[Denis Heidtmann]

Further searching tells me that the storage converter is most likely
unavailable, so just replacing the 2T HDD with a 480G SSD is my choice.  It
should be more than adequate for my needs.  Any advice on selecting a SSD?

Thanks,
-Denis

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 11:45 AM, Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com
> wrote:

> Found answer.  Lenovo telephone tech support (866 910 7924
> <(866)%20910-7924>) answered in less than 1 minute!  He looked it up and
> said yes.  He could not tell me about the SSD storage converter, however.
> That is referenced in the manuals.  As an aside, the room that the tech was
> in was filled with loud chatter in either Hindi or strong Hindi accents,
> which matched his accent.  But I got my answer in record time.
>
> -Denis
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Denis Heidtmann <
> denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have posed this question to Google & Lenovo websites, but the closest I
>> can come is Lenovo's  phrase "Not available on all models" in the manuals
>> for my model.  The manuals are not model-specific enough.  I suspect the
>> answer is "no", but it appears that the physical space exists.  The
>> mechanical mounting may be the issue.  I wonder if anyone here has
>> knowledge that might help.
>>
>> The machine:
>> Lenovo ThinkCenter M92P
>> Machine type: 3227
>> Model #: W3S
>> S/N: MJ28WA0 (final could O)
>> Prod. ID: 3227 W3S
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Denis
>>
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Re: [PLUG] Does my Lenovo desktop support msata?

[Denis Heidtmann]

Found answer.  Lenovo telephone tech support (866 910 7924) answered in
less than 1 minute!  He looked it up and said yes.  He could not tell me
about the SSD storage converter, however.  That is referenced in the
manuals.  As an aside, the room that the tech was in was filled with loud
chatter in either Hindi or strong Hindi accents, which matched his accent.
But I got my answer in record time.

-Denis

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com
> wrote:

> I have posed this question to Google & Lenovo websites, but the closest I
> can come is Lenovo's  phrase "Not available on all models" in the manuals
> for my model.  The manuals are not model-specific enough.  I suspect the
> answer is "no", but it appears that the physical space exists.  The
> mechanical mounting may be the issue.  I wonder if anyone here has
> knowledge that might help.
>
> The machine:
> Lenovo ThinkCenter M92P
> Machine type: 3227
> Model #: W3S
> S/N: MJ28WA0 (final could O)
> Prod. ID: 3227 W3S
>
> Thanks,
> -Denis
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[PLUG] Does my Lenovo desktop support msata?

[Denis Heidtmann]

I have posed this question to Google & Lenovo websites, but the closest I
can come is Lenovo's  phrase "Not available on all models" in the manuals
for my model.  The manuals are not model-specific enough.  I suspect the
answer is "no", but it appears that the physical space exists.  The
mechanical mounting may be the issue.  I wonder if anyone here has
knowledge that might help.

The machine:
Lenovo ThinkCenter M92P
Machine type: 3227
Model #: W3S
S/N: MJ28WA0 (final could O)
Prod. ID: 3227 W3S

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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

[Denis Heidtmann]

So far I have written a recovery USB and downloaded the 16.04.3 iso.  Win
10 lists all the files on the recovery USB, but neither of my Ubuntu
machines even acknowledge I plugged them in. ??  Not that it matters--I can
download a Win 10 ISO and use it when I get to the point of installing Vbox
(I am slow, due to ignorance.)

-Denis

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Tom <tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com> wrote:

> My apology for being sloppy 
> I meant VM and general term for Virtual Machine - regardless if vBox,
> KVM, Xen or VMware
> -T
> On Sat, 2017-08-12 at 21:01 -0700, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > Tomas,
> >
> > Thanks for the suggestion.  I did not know that the recovery  could
> > be used
> > for installing in Virtual Box.  (You said VM--I know that VM has a
> > special
> > routine for extracting an installed OS for a virtual machine, but was
> > uncertain about Virtual Box.)
> >
> > I am not certain if I will use Win 10--I use Win 2K at present for
> > two
> > legacy programs.  And a third might be better with 10.
> >
> > -Denis
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Tom <tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Alternatively, you could create Windows recovery USB media before
> > > installing linux on the box.
> > > It can be used to fully reinstall already activated Windows in VM
> > > or on
> > > the laptop when you want to give it away.
> > > I store the USB media on a filer as VDI disk image, forever. I have
> > > never used any of those backups - even when selling old computers,
> > > they
> > > were always bought by a Linux geek.
> > > What are the chances that you would want to use windows Denis?
> > > I have bunch of MS Win VM's which I use for single task - boot them
> > > up
> > > and waste couple of hours updating them every quarter.
> > > What a waste - I behave like the monkeys with the banana in a cage!
> > > Tomas
> > > On Sat, 2017-08-12 at 16:25 -0700, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > > > The latest question, "Is it activated?" , the answer seems to be
> > > > "yes".
> > > > Posts I have seen say that if not activated personalization
> > > > should
> > > > not be
> > > > possible.  It is possible for this installation.  But...
> > > >
> > > > I read that Win 10 can be moved to a virtual machine:
> > > > https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-wind
> > > > ows_
> > > > install/convert-windows-10-activation-to-virtual-machine/284089e3
> > > > -af42-4b42-acb6-1e63d50a4212?auth=1
> > > >
> > > > So I think I will take this route.  I can get an ISO from MS,
> > > > then go
> > > > through the activation as described.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for all the ideas.
> > > >
> > > > -Denis
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > > > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I entered settings, searched for "Is windows activated".  The
> > > > > response was
> > > > > unable to reach activation servers (not connected).  It also
> > > > > had an
> > > > > entry
> > > > > to change the product key, but no existing product key was
> > > > > shown.
> > > > >  So I
> > > > > think I am still uncertain.  I can connect and try again
> > > > > (tomorrow).
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > > > > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I will search windows, but not being familiar with it I may
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > difficulty.  BTW I managed to boot from a 16.04 flash drive-
> > > > > > -progress.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Garrett Bigart <
> > > > > > gbig...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Before you install Ubuntu could you check in the settings
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > see whether
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > says activated or not? I might need to do something
> > > > > >

Re: [PLUG] Century Link sales at the door

[Denis Heidtmann]

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:00 PM, wes  wrote:

> ...
> not sure what you mean by the "not on super service" point - literally
> anything is better than comcast.
>
> -wes.
>

I think there are some who say it is draw, others put CL below Comcast.  In
any case, compared to reasonable customer service, they both rank down in
the mud.

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[PLUG] Century Link sales at the door

[Denis Heidtmann]

The young lady said that fiber to the home is SO much better--reliable,
etc.  I asked about the download speed. 40.  Up? 20. Cost? I think it was
just under $100. (Phone and internet; no TV). How do they expect to compete
with Comcast if their intro stuff is more expensive?  Certainly not on
superior service.

My son plays one off the other to keep lower prices.  Maybe Century Link is
dropping out of that game on the west side.

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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

[Denis Heidtmann]

Tomas,

Thanks for the suggestion.  I did not know that the recovery  could be used
for installing in Virtual Box.  (You said VM--I know that VM has a special
routine for extracting an installed OS for a virtual machine, but was
uncertain about Virtual Box.)

I am not certain if I will use Win 10--I use Win 2K at present for two
legacy programs.  And a third might be better with 10.

-Denis

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Tom <tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Alternatively, you could create Windows recovery USB media before
> installing linux on the box.
> It can be used to fully reinstall already activated Windows in VM or on
> the laptop when you want to give it away.
> I store the USB media on a filer as VDI disk image, forever. I have
> never used any of those backups - even when selling old computers, they
> were always bought by a Linux geek.
> What are the chances that you would want to use windows Denis?
> I have bunch of MS Win VM's which I use for single task - boot them up
> and waste couple of hours updating them every quarter.
> What a waste - I behave like the monkeys with the banana in a cage!
> Tomas
> On Sat, 2017-08-12 at 16:25 -0700, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > The latest question, "Is it activated?" , the answer seems to be
> > "yes".
> > Posts I have seen say that if not activated personalization should
> > not be
> > possible.  It is possible for this installation.  But...
> >
> > I read that Win 10 can be moved to a virtual machine:
> > https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_
> > install/convert-windows-10-activation-to-virtual-machine/284089e3
> > -af42-4b42-acb6-1e63d50a4212?auth=1
> >
> > So I think I will take this route.  I can get an ISO from MS, then go
> > through the activation as described.
> >
> > Thanks for all the ideas.
> >
> > -Denis
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I entered settings, searched for "Is windows activated".  The
> > > response was
> > > unable to reach activation servers (not connected).  It also had an
> > > entry
> > > to change the product key, but no existing product key was shown.
> > >  So I
> > > think I am still uncertain.  I can connect and try again
> > > (tomorrow).
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I will search windows, but not being familiar with it I may have
> > > > difficulty.  BTW I managed to boot from a 16.04 flash drive-
> > > > -progress.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Garrett Bigart <
> > > > gbig...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Before you install Ubuntu could you check in the settings to
> > > > > see whether
> > > > > it
> > > > > says activated or not? I might need to do something depending
> > > > > on what
> > > > > that
> > > > > says.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > > > > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > That helps.  It is F12 on this system.  But USB is not on the
> > > > > > list, so
> > > > > I
> > > > > > have to use a 14.04 CD that I have, rather than the 16.04
> > > > > > flash
> > > > > drive.  But
> > > > > > for starters, this will help me check the system.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:00 PM, John Jason Jordan <
> > > > > > joh...@gmx.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 18:26:56 -0700
> > > > > > > Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> dijo:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I figured out how to get to the bios.  There is not boot
> > > > > > > > -order
> > > > > option
> > > > > > > > I am accustomed to--the order is set by properties
> > > > > > > > UEFI/legacy
> > > > > rather
> > > > > > > > than CD/HD, etc.  I set it to legacy, but it still did
> > > > > > > > not boot the
> > &

Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

[Denis Heidtmann]

The latest question, "Is it activated?" , the answer seems to be "yes".
Posts I have seen say that if not activated personalization should not be
possible.  It is possible for this installation.  But...

I read that Win 10 can be moved to a virtual machine:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_install/convert-windows-10-activation-to-virtual-machine/284089e3-af42-4b42-acb6-1e63d50a4212?auth=1

So I think I will take this route.  I can get an ISO from MS, then go
through the activation as described.

Thanks for all the ideas.

-Denis

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I entered settings, searched for "Is windows activated".  The response was
> unable to reach activation servers (not connected).  It also had an entry
> to change the product key, but no existing product key was shown.  So I
> think I am still uncertain.  I can connect and try again (tomorrow).
>
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I will search windows, but not being familiar with it I may have
>> difficulty.  BTW I managed to boot from a 16.04 flash drive--progress.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Garrett Bigart <gbig...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Before you install Ubuntu could you check in the settings to see whether
>>> it
>>> says activated or not? I might need to do something depending on what
>>> that
>>> says.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
>>> denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > That helps.  It is F12 on this system.  But USB is not on the list, so
>>> I
>>> > have to use a 14.04 CD that I have, rather than the 16.04 flash
>>> drive.  But
>>> > for starters, this will help me check the system.
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:00 PM, John Jason Jordan <joh...@gmx.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 18:26:56 -0700
>>> > > Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> dijo:
>>> > >
>>> > > >I figured out how to get to the bios.  There is not boot-order
>>> option
>>> > > >I am accustomed to--the order is set by properties UEFI/legacy
>>> rather
>>> > > >than CD/HD, etc.  I set it to legacy, but it still did not boot the
>>> > > >CD.  UEFI is disabled as well.  I guess I need to explore other
>>> > > >options.  Ideas?
>>> > >
>>> > > This will probably not help, but here goes anyway. On my current
>>> laptop
>>> > > there are two boot options: one takes you to the BIOS and the other
>>> (F7)
>>> > > gives you a list of devices from which you can select the one to boot
>>> > > to. But this is not a Thinkpad. :(
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

[Denis Heidtmann]

I entered settings, searched for "Is windows activated".  The response was
unable to reach activation servers (not connected).  It also had an entry
to change the product key, but no existing product key was shown.  So I
think I am still uncertain.  I can connect and try again (tomorrow).

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I will search windows, but not being familiar with it I may have
> difficulty.  BTW I managed to boot from a 16.04 flash drive--progress.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Garrett Bigart <gbig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Before you install Ubuntu could you check in the settings to see whether
>> it
>> says activated or not? I might need to do something depending on what that
>> says.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
>> denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > That helps.  It is F12 on this system.  But USB is not on the list, so I
>> > have to use a 14.04 CD that I have, rather than the 16.04 flash drive.
>> But
>> > for starters, this will help me check the system.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:00 PM, John Jason Jordan <joh...@gmx.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 18:26:56 -0700
>> > > Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> dijo:
>> > >
>> > > >I figured out how to get to the bios.  There is not boot-order option
>> > > >I am accustomed to--the order is set by properties UEFI/legacy rather
>> > > >than CD/HD, etc.  I set it to legacy, but it still did not boot the
>> > > >CD.  UEFI is disabled as well.  I guess I need to explore other
>> > > >options.  Ideas?
>> > >
>> > > This will probably not help, but here goes anyway. On my current
>> laptop
>> > > there are two boot options: one takes you to the BIOS and the other
>> (F7)
>> > > gives you a list of devices from which you can select the one to boot
>> > > to. But this is not a Thinkpad. :(
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

[Denis Heidtmann]

I will search windows, but not being familiar with it I may have
difficulty.  BTW I managed to boot from a 16.04 flash drive--progress.


On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Garrett Bigart <gbig...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Before you install Ubuntu could you check in the settings to see whether it
> says activated or not? I might need to do something depending on what that
> says.
>
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > That helps.  It is F12 on this system.  But USB is not on the list, so I
> > have to use a 14.04 CD that I have, rather than the 16.04 flash drive.
> But
> > for starters, this will help me check the system.
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:00 PM, John Jason Jordan <joh...@gmx.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 18:26:56 -0700
> > > Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> dijo:
> > >
> > > >I figured out how to get to the bios.  There is not boot-order option
> > > >I am accustomed to--the order is set by properties UEFI/legacy rather
> > > >than CD/HD, etc.  I set it to legacy, but it still did not boot the
> > > >CD.  UEFI is disabled as well.  I guess I need to explore other
> > > >options.  Ideas?
> > >
> > > This will probably not help, but here goes anyway. On my current laptop
> > > there are two boot options: one takes you to the BIOS and the other
> (F7)
> > > gives you a list of devices from which you can select the one to boot
> > > to. But this is not a Thinkpad. :(
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

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That helps.  It is F12 on this system.  But USB is not on the list, so I
have to use a 14.04 CD that I have, rather than the 16.04 flash drive.  But
for starters, this will help me check the system.

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:00 PM, John Jason Jordan <joh...@gmx.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 18:26:56 -0700
> Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> dijo:
>
> >I figured out how to get to the bios.  There is not boot-order option
> >I am accustomed to--the order is set by properties UEFI/legacy rather
> >than CD/HD, etc.  I set it to legacy, but it still did not boot the
> >CD.  UEFI is disabled as well.  I guess I need to explore other
> >options.  Ideas?
>
> This will probably not help, but here goes anyway. On my current laptop
> there are two boot options: one takes you to the BIOS and the other (F7)
> gives you a list of devices from which you can select the one to boot
> to. But this is not a Thinkpad. :(
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

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I meant that uefi is disabled because legacy boot in enabled, but I note
that secure boot is also disables.  I do not understand how these two
interact, nor exactly what they mean for that matter.

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 2:33 PM, elcaseti . <elcas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> When you said UEFI is disabled as well, did you mean Secure Boot is
> disabled?  Or do you mean UEFI is disabled, because legacy boot is enabled?
>
> On Aug 10, 2017 2:19 PM, "Bill Barry" <b...@billbarry.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > I just purchased a new desktop machine.  It has Windows 10 pro, not yet
> > activated.  After installing Ubuntu I would like to be able to run this
> > Windows as a guest in VB.  My searching tells me that this can be a bit
> > tricky.  I am not in any hurry to migrate.  I first want to make sure I
> do
> > not do anything which will cut off this possibility.  Do I need to backup
> > something from the machine before I install Linux, or can I just use the
> > COA sticker to get what I need from Microsoft after I have wiped the HD,
> > installed Ubuntu and VB?  I have no reason to run Win 10 (except as a
> > guest) on the machine other than to initially ensure myself that the
> > machine is functioning properly.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Denis
> > ___
>
>
>
> I have used the instructions here
> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Migrate_Windows  to migrate Windows XP to
> Virtualbox, but have not tried it with WIndows 10.  In summary you boot
> into windows and run a script which does some registry magic that makes
> your Disk drivers look very generic. Then you shut down, DD the image,
> convert it the DD'd image to a virtualbox image and boot it.  It sounds
> easy, but it's Windows and every step is fraught with peril.  You should
> also boot into Windows and create a Recovery Drive before you do anything
> else.
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4026852/windows-
> create-a-recovery-drive
> After you have a Recovery Drive you might want to shrink your WIndows
> installation. I have done this before with a live linux and GPARTED, but
> Windows has a native way of doing this now which sounds like a better idea
> https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/resize-a-
> partition-for-free-in-windows-vista/
>
> Good luck,
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

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I booted it, gave the machine a name, then said skip when it wanted to go
on-line (no internet cable connected to it.)  Then what I expect is the
standard windows desktop was presented.  I expect it will give me some time
before it complains about not being activated.

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Garrett Bigart <gbig...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't know if that actually means anything. Have you booted it yet, and
> if so, what does it say?
>
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > This is encouraging.  Thanks for the idea.
> >
> > The (only) instructions that came with the machine were on how to
> register
> > the windows 10.  Also, the COA has a "silver" patch over a portion of the
> > number, with instructions to gently scrape the silver off to expose the
> > full number.  This, to me, implies  that it has not been registered.  Do
> > you agree?
> >
> > -Denis
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Garrett Bigart <gbig...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Denis,
> > >
> > > Windows 10 license keys become tied to hardware as soon as it's
> > activated,
> > > so if it hasn't been activated, you should be fine with a Windows 10
> ISO,
> > > your COA and VirtualBox. Now, I was under the impression that all
> > prebuilt
> > > PCs came activated, so are you absolutely certain that it isn't
> activated
> > > and where are you getting that information? That may determine how you
> > > should go about doing this.
> > >
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Garrett
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I just purchased a new desktop machine.  It has Windows 10 pro, not
> yet
> > >
> > > > > activated.  After installing Ubuntu I would like to be able to run
> > this
> > >
> > > > > Windows as a guest in VB.  My searching tells me that this can be a
> > bit
> > >
> > > > > tricky.  I am not in any hurry to migrate.  I first want to make
> > sure I
> > > do
> > >
> > > > > not do anything which will cut off this possibility.  Do I need to
> > > backup
> > >
> > > > > something from the machine before I install Linux, or can I just
> use
> > > the
> > >
> > > > > COA sticker to get what I need from Microsoft after I have wiped
> the
> > > HD,
> > >
> > > > > installed Ubuntu and VB?  I have no reason to run Win 10 (except
> as a
> > >
> > > > > guest) on the machine other than to initially ensure myself that
> the
> > >
> > > > > machine is functioning properly.
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > > > -Denis
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

[Denis Heidtmann]

This is encouraging.  Thanks for the idea.

The (only) instructions that came with the machine were on how to register
the windows 10.  Also, the COA has a "silver" patch over a portion of the
number, with instructions to gently scrape the silver off to expose the
full number.  This, to me, implies  that it has not been registered.  Do
you agree?

-Denis

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Garrett Bigart <gbig...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Denis,
>
> Windows 10 license keys become tied to hardware as soon as it's activated,
> so if it hasn't been activated, you should be fine with a Windows 10 ISO,
> your COA and VirtualBox. Now, I was under the impression that all prebuilt
> PCs came activated, so are you absolutely certain that it isn't activated
> and where are you getting that information? That may determine how you
> should go about doing this.
>
>
> Best,
> Garrett
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com
> >
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
> > I just purchased a new desktop machine.  It has Windows 10 pro, not yet
>
> > > activated.  After installing Ubuntu I would like to be able to run this
>
> > > Windows as a guest in VB.  My searching tells me that this can be a bit
>
> > > tricky.  I am not in any hurry to migrate.  I first want to make sure I
> do
>
> > > not do anything which will cut off this possibility.  Do I need to
> backup
>
> > > something from the machine before I install Linux, or can I just use
> the
>
> > > COA sticker to get what I need from Microsoft after I have wiped the
> HD,
>
> > > installed Ubuntu and VB?  I have no reason to run Win 10 (except as a
>
> > > guest) on the machine other than to initially ensure myself that the
>
> > > machine is functioning properly.
>
> > >
>
> > > Thanks,
>
> > > -Denis
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

[Denis Heidtmann]

I figured out how to get to the bios.  There is not boot-order option I am
accustomed to--the order is set by properties UEFI/legacy rather than
CD/HD, etc.  I set it to legacy, but it still did not boot the CD.  UEFI is
disabled as well.  I guess I need to explore other options.  Ideas?

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Good idea.  I tried that.  I need to figure out how to get the machine to
> look at the CD drive. It is a Lenovo ThinkCenter M92P (refurbished).
>
> -Denis
>
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Rich Shepard <rshep...@appl-ecosys.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
>>
>> > I have no reason to run Win 10 (except as a guest) on the machine other
>> > than to initially ensure myself that the machine is functioning
>> properly.
>>
>> Denis,
>>
>>I cannot answer your other questions but I can suggest you use a live
>> linux disk or flash drive to test the machine's functions. That'll also
>> tell
>> you if there are linux issues to be resolved later.
>>
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

[Denis Heidtmann]

I found this from a 2013 posting:
Lenovo ThinkCentre M92p only boots Windows or Redhat. Hard coded into UEFI.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=MTIyOTg
http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/20187.html?thread=774619

If true, I may have to return this machine.

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Good idea.  I tried that.  I need to figure out how to get the machine to
> look at the CD drive. It is a Lenovo ThinkCenter M92P (refurbished).
>
> -Denis
>
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Rich Shepard <rshep...@appl-ecosys.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
>>
>> > I have no reason to run Win 10 (except as a guest) on the machine other
>> > than to initially ensure myself that the machine is functioning
>> properly.
>>
>> Denis,
>>
>>I cannot answer your other questions but I can suggest you use a live
>> linux disk or flash drive to test the machine's functions. That'll also
>> tell
>> you if there are linux issues to be resolved later.
>>
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

[Denis Heidtmann]

Good idea.  I tried that.  I need to figure out how to get the machine to
look at the CD drive. It is a Lenovo ThinkCenter M92P (refurbished).

-Denis

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Rich Shepard <rshep...@appl-ecosys.com>
wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
>
> > I have no reason to run Win 10 (except as a guest) on the machine other
> > than to initially ensure myself that the machine is functioning properly.
>
> Denis,
>
>I cannot answer your other questions but I can suggest you use a live
> linux disk or flash drive to test the machine's functions. That'll also
> tell
> you if there are linux issues to be resolved later.
>
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[PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

[Denis Heidtmann]

I just purchased a new desktop machine.  It has Windows 10 pro, not yet
activated.  After installing Ubuntu I would like to be able to run this
Windows as a guest in VB.  My searching tells me that this can be a bit
tricky.  I am not in any hurry to migrate.  I first want to make sure I do
not do anything which will cut off this possibility.  Do I need to backup
something from the machine before I install Linux, or can I just use the
COA sticker to get what I need from Microsoft after I have wiped the HD,
installed Ubuntu and VB?  I have no reason to run Win 10 (except as a
guest) on the machine other than to initially ensure myself that the
machine is functioning properly.

Thanks,
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Re: [PLUG] Printing PDF files

[Denis Heidtmann]

Is it possible that the encrypt PDF documents to prevent someone from
modifying it and then claiming "This document came from FTCU, so you owe
me."?  I have encountered protected PDF documents from other businesses
(non-financial) protected from changes.  I assumed that it was for similar
reasons.

-Denis

On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 2:40 AM, Tom  wrote:

> You shy away from naming the bank ...
> My bank - First Tech FCU encrypts the statements and restricts their
> printing in PDF.
> I have no idea why would one wanted to do this, they apparently do no
> have any idea themselves too.
> However, they also do not seem to be able to do anything about it.
> I do wonder why I trust them with my money, when they do not
> what/why/how they operate the business.
> Technically:
> The encryption, which is needed to enforce their stupid anti-print DRM
> rule uses empty password - thankfully.
> So every now and then, I use following qpdf in a bash script to strip
> off that nonsensical DRM:
> https://github.com/tomas-kuchta/decryptPdfs/blob/master/decryptPdfs.bas
> h
> If your problem is identical fell free to reuse/learn from the code.
> Tomas
> On Sat, 2017-07-08 at 12:58 -0700, Rich Shepard wrote:
> >I download monthly business account statements from my bank's
> > website as
> > PDF files and save them with names I give them. (My names are
> > different from
> > the string of numbers the bank gives them.) For a reason I've not yet
> > found,
> > they will not print from the command line (lpr) nor from within xpdf.
> > They
> > display in the CUPS jobs page as 'rendering completed' but never make
> > it to
> > the printer. Using MasterPDFEditor I can print them. However, despite
> > MPE
> > being configured to print double-sided they come out single sided.
> >
> >If you have any thoughts on why a) they won't print using lpr or
> > that
> > command within xpdf or b) why they print single-sided while the
> > printer is
> > configured for double-sided printing please share them with me.
> >
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[PLUG] backup drive in a NexStar dock

[Denis Heidtmann]

The failure I posted about previously was due to the NexStar dock.  The
drive worked fine in a borrowed USB/esata enclosure (Rosewill).

I have taken the NexStar apart but have found nothing obviously wrong,
other than some poor workmanship.  I will be checking the power supply next.

Thanks for all the advice I received here.

During my research for alternatives to the dock I ran across this from the
man page of hdparm:

*-J* Get/set the Western Digital (WD) Green Drive's "idle3" timeout value.
This timeout controls how often the drive parks its heads and enters a low
power consumption state. The factory default is eight (8) seconds, which is
a very poor choice for use with Linux. Leaving it at the default will
result in hundreds of thousands of head load/unload cycles in a very short
period of time. The drive mechanism is only rated for 300,000 to 1,000,000
cycles, so leaving it at the default could result in premature failure, not
to mention the performance impact of the drive often having to wake-up
before doing routine I/O.

WD supply a WDIDLE3.EXE DOS utility for tweaking this setting, and you
should use that program instead of hdparm if at all possible. The
reverse-engineered implementation in hdparm is not as complete as the
original official program, even though it does seem to work on at a least a
few drives. A full power cycle is required for any change in setting to
take effect, regardless of which program is used to tweak things.


Note: Trying to get WDIDLE3.EXE from WD showed that the SW was for
upgrading the firmware for only three specific drive models. Mine is not
one of those. The option -J indicates that wdidle3 is disabled; -g
indicates that Power-Up In Standby feature set is not enabled. The label on
the drive indicates that a jumper (3 to 4) will enable Power-Up in
Standby.  So it seems that the man page is out of date wrt WDIDLE3.EXE.

I would like to determine what is the idle timeout value is set on my main
WD drive, if the issue is still important. (Not and issue for the backup
drive.)

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Re: [PLUG] backup drive in a NexStar dock

[Denis Heidtmann]

I found this:

https://askubuntu.com/questions/23446/how-to-avoid-hdd-spin-up-at-system-start-ubuntu-from-ssd

-Denis

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I have a 500GB WD hard drive installed in a dock.  A number of weeks ago
> fsck reported pages of errors. A few of you looked at a sample of the
> messages and suggested that I had disconnected the drive while it was being
> written.  I had not done that (intentionally).  More recently the desktop
> reported the drive did not exist.  I powered the drive off, removed and
> reinserted the disk, the sata connector and the power plug.  I tried again
> and the drive was accessible.  The backup seemed to go normally.  Today the
> same "no such drive" message appeared.
>
> It seems likely that the fsck issues were in fact due to a disconnect
> similar to what causes the "no such drive" symptoms.
>
> So the possible causes are the sata connection, the drive's connection in
> the dock, and the power supply.  How might I trouble shoot this?
>
> Thanks,
> -Denis
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Re: [PLUG] backup drive in a NexStar dock

[Denis Heidtmann]

I had not even considered that the drive itself could cause the symptoms I
have observed (except for the fsck errors, of course.) :  not visible;
power off; wiggle some connections; power on; now visible.   I can install
the drive in the desktop to check on its performance without the dock. But
first I want to devise some characterization tests to better understand the
failure rate.



On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 1:27 PM, wes <p...@the-wes.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> denis.heidtm...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 9:48 AM, wes <p...@the-wes.com> wrote:
> >
> > > replace drive adapter and press any key to continue
> > >
> > > -wes
> > >
> >
> > By "drive adapter" I assume you mean the NexStar model NSY-D100 hard
> drive
> > dock.  What should I replace it with?  I chose a HD dock because I use
> the
> > drive only once per week, so it does not make sense to have it running
> all
> > the time with such low usage.  But these things are prone to issues.  I
> > took the thing apart, and I cannot say I am impressed with the
> > workmanship.  But I found nothing that I could pin the problems on.  If I
> > can find a way to check the power supply voltages (5V and 12V) I will do
> > that.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> yes, the thing you're using to connect the drive to the system. if the
> problem goes away, we know it was that. if it continues, we're pretty sure
> it's the drive itself.
>
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Re: [PLUG] backup drive in a NexStar dock

[Denis Heidtmann]

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 9:48 AM, wes <p...@the-wes.com> wrote:

> replace drive adapter and press any key to continue
>
> -wes
>

By "drive adapter" I assume you mean the NexStar model NSY-D100 hard drive
dock.  What should I replace it with?  I chose a HD dock because I use the
drive only once per week, so it does not make sense to have it running all
the time with such low usage.  But these things are prone to issues.  I
took the thing apart, and I cannot say I am impressed with the
workmanship.  But I found nothing that I could pin the problems on.  If I
can find a way to check the power supply voltages (5V and 12V) I will do
that.


>
> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Denis Heidtmann <
> denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I have a 500GB WD hard drive installed in a dock.  A number of weeks ago
> > fsck reported pages of errors. A few of you looked at a sample of the
> > messages and suggested that I had disconnected the drive while it was
> being
> > written.  I had not done that (intentionally).  More recently the desktop
> > reported the drive did not exist.  I powered the drive off, removed and
> > reinserted the disk, the sata connector and the power plug.  I tried
> again
> > and the drive was accessible.  The backup seemed to go normally.  Today
> the
> > same "no such drive" message appeared.
> >
> > It seems likely that the fsck issues were in fact due to a disconnect
> > similar to what causes the "no such drive" symptoms.
> >
> > So the possible causes are the sata connection, the drive's connection in
> > the dock, and the power supply.  How might I trouble shoot this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Denis
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[PLUG] backup drive in a NexStar dock

[Denis Heidtmann]

I have a 500GB WD hard drive installed in a dock.  A number of weeks ago
fsck reported pages of errors. A few of you looked at a sample of the
messages and suggested that I had disconnected the drive while it was being
written.  I had not done that (intentionally).  More recently the desktop
reported the drive did not exist.  I powered the drive off, removed and
reinserted the disk, the sata connector and the power plug.  I tried again
and the drive was accessible.  The backup seemed to go normally.  Today the
same "no such drive" message appeared.

It seems likely that the fsck issues were in fact due to a disconnect
similar to what causes the "no such drive" symptoms.

So the possible causes are the sata connection, the drive's connection in
the dock, and the power supply.  How might I trouble shoot this?

Thanks,
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Re: [PLUG] Audio hum when playing Blu-ray movie

[Denis Heidtmann]

Clearly if the frequency changes it is not 60 Hz.  Is there a chance that
it is a feedback of some sort?  I have run into problems when had both the
input and output selected, but do not recall the details as it was a few
years ago.

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 10:10 PM, John Jason Jordan <joh...@gmx.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 15:45:29 -0700
> Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> dijo:
>
> >I do not know much about what you describe, but you could answer the
> >frequency issue by recording the sound into Audacity on the laptop.
> >(Assuming you do not have a 'scope.)
> >
> >Is there a chance that the connections which produce the hum include
> >two different AC powered devices with a (not quite) common ground?
>
> Since my original message I have discovered that the hum goes away
> on the desktop if I turn off the right channel in Pulseaudio (the movie
> has only stereo, not 5.1). I have no idea what this means.
>
> I also compared all the settings in Pulseaudio on the laptop to the
> settings on the desktop. I didn't see any differences, except that
> some are different because the two computers have different audio
> processors, plus I don't know what all the settings mean.
>
> As for the frequency, I note that it goes up and down when I change
> settings in Pulseaudio. Even at its lowest it is higher than 60 Hz, so
> I doubt very much that it is related to household AC power. Besides, AC
> power might affect the stereo or the audio cables connecting to it, but
> the computer? After going through the power supply and its rectifiers?
> I could check it out in Audacity, but I doubt that doing so would
> reveal much.
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Re: [PLUG] Audio hum when playing Blu-ray movie

[Denis Heidtmann]

John,

I do not know much about what you describe, but you could answer the
frequency issue by recording the sound into Audacity on the laptop.
(Assuming you do not have a 'scope.)

Is there a chance that the connections which produce the hum include two
different AC powered devices with a (not quite) common ground?

-Denis

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:33 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> You can't play Blu-ray movies on Linux, right? Wrong. You can if you
> give $50 for a license for MakeMKV. Not only will MakeMKV for Linux rip
> and encode a Blu-ray movie to a .mkv file, if you follow the
> instructions in their forums you can get VLC to play the discs
> directly.
>
> I did this successfully on my laptop first, as that is my usual
> platform for making .mkv files. It works perfectly. But I use my
> desktop for viewing movies, so that was my next step. Both machines are
> Xubuntu 14.04. The desktop installation went perfectly and MakeMKV sees
> and will rip and encode a Blu-ray movie. (Both machines have Blu-ray
> drives.) I followed the same instructions on the desktop as I did on the
> laptop for getting VLC to play a Blu-ray movie, and it does so, but
> there is a loud hum, loud enough to drown out the audio in the movie. I
> would say it is a 60-Herz hum, except that it seems just a bit higher.
> This is strange because the desktop spends all day streaming internet
> radio stations to my stereo, and the output is beautiful - no hum. And
> the laptop play the same Blu-ray movie without hum.
>
> There is a difference in the source of the audio signal, of course. For
> internet radio Banshee is connecting to the stream and sending the
> audio signal to the stereo. For the movie the source is the Blu-ray
> drive, although I don't know how it is processed into the signal that
> goes to the stereo. Note that the same Blu-ray drive on the desktop
> plays DVD movies without the hum. (I currently own only one Blu-ray
> movie.) It also plays television over the air through my HDHomeRun
> tuner, which uses VLC, also without issue.
>
> I poked around in Pulseaudio volume control on the desktop and failed
> to resolve the problem.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Comcast repeatedly asks for activation

[Denis Heidtmann]

Yesterday the technician asked a colleague for an opinion.  He suggested
removing cookies, which we did (I thought it was a stupid idea).  This
morning, Thursday, the connection was functional.  But before I credit the
stupid idea, I note that I received a message from Comcast saying that our
new bill was ready to be paid.  We had been signed up for auto pay, but my
credit card had been changed.  They were notified of the change, but we
also changed our service (from 100 to 25 Mbps) at the same time as all this
modem stuff was going on.  Perhaps they just took a while to get my account
updated.  Anyway, it looks like the issue may be solved.

-Denis

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Saturday 5/6 we could not reach the internet.  After much conversation
> w/comcast they sent a technician out on Sunday.  He arrived early, seemed
> knowledgeable.  I had an old (rented) modem beyond eol.  I had received in
> the mail a replacement modem from Comcast many months ago, still in the
> unopened box. (Why I had not installed it is for another discussion.)  He
> installed it, activated it, and everything seemed fine.
>
> The following morning (Mon.) the internet was not accessible again.  Much
> more phone conversation later it appeared that I needed to activate the
> modem.  Went through that process, which terminated in a screen saying "You
> can now use your Xfinity service.  But wait; you need give the modem time
> to reset."  I gave it some time, tried to close the browser, but was told
> there was a download in progress.  I waited a short time, tried again, same
> download in progress msg, closed anyway.  Now a strange binary file
> appeared in my download folder "unconfirmed 792430.crdownload".  But the
> internet was accessible throughout the day.
>
> The following morning (Tues.) the same thing happened.  I went through the
> activation, this time not closing the browser until all was done.  No
> strange file.  Internet fine until the next morning (Wed.; today) same
> issue.  I activated again, which restored internet access, but this time I
> called.  They sent a technician again.  This guy I am not so sure about; he
> had no explanation for the repeated need to activate.  He left his card,
> and told me to call him tomorrow if the problem repeats, and not to
> activate--wait so he can see the issue.  This what I plan to do.
>
> The symptoms are that  when trying to get to a site (other than Google)
> from the browser, I get the Comcast Activation screen.  The tech said that
> is the screen one gets when first installing a new modem. (When I try to go
> to Google.com, I get the msg. that I cannot reach the internet..)
>
> It occurs to  me that perhaps Comcast still has me and the previous modem
> linked, so they keep wanting to activate the new modem.
>
> Any ideas?
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[PLUG] Comcast repeatedly asks for activation

[Denis Heidtmann]

On Saturday 5/6 we could not reach the internet.  After much conversation
w/comcast they sent a technician out on Sunday.  He arrived early, seemed
knowledgeable.  I had an old (rented) modem beyond eol.  I had received in
the mail a replacement modem from Comcast many months ago, still in the
unopened box. (Why I had not installed it is for another discussion.)  He
installed it, activated it, and everything seemed fine.

The following morning (Mon.) the internet was not accessible again.  Much
more phone conversation later it appeared that I needed to activate the
modem.  Went through that process, which terminated in a screen saying "You
can now use your Xfinity service.  But wait; you need give the modem time
to reset."  I gave it some time, tried to close the browser, but was told
there was a download in progress.  I waited a short time, tried again, same
download in progress msg, closed anyway.  Now a strange binary file
appeared in my download folder "unconfirmed 792430.crdownload".  But the
internet was accessible throughout the day.

The following morning (Tues.) the same thing happened.  I went through the
activation, this time not closing the browser until all was done.  No
strange file.  Internet fine until the next morning (Wed.; today) same
issue.  I activated again, which restored internet access, but this time I
called.  They sent a technician again.  This guy I am not so sure about; he
had no explanation for the repeated need to activate.  He left his card,
and told me to call him tomorrow if the problem repeats, and not to
activate--wait so he can see the issue.  This what I plan to do.

The symptoms are that  when trying to get to a site (other than Google)
from the browser, I get the Comcast Activation screen.  The tech said that
is the screen one gets when first installing a new modem. (When I try to go
to Google.com, I get the msg. that I cannot reach the internet..)

It occurs to  me that perhaps Comcast still has me and the previous modem
linked, so they keep wanting to activate the new modem.

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Re: [PLUG] USB enclosures

[Denis Heidtmann]

Very innovative wiring, John.  And I like the idea of a natural gas
generator.  Much less hassle and maintenance than gasoline.  I have a small
gasoline generator but it has not been run in a number of years.  Hard to
justify spending the $ for a switch to natural gas.

-Denis

On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 8:33 PM, John Jason Jordan <joh...@gmx.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 4 Apr 2017 18:47:32 -0700
> Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> dijo:
>
> >Both your main storage and your backup run from the same power line in
> >the same house.  What is the likelihood lightning or some other major
> >event could affect both at the same time?  Low, but backups are
> >intended as insurance for low-likelihood events.  Then there is
> >crypto-lock.  I do not know about how that works and how different
> >backup schemes protect against it.
>
> First, my house has a 7500 watt natural gas powered generator on the
> covered back patio. It is not wired to a transfer switch that
> automatically turns it on and switches the house wiring to it in the
> event that PGE fails to send me its usual electrons. Instead, it is
> wired to various outlets around the house that say 'generator only on
> the cover plate. If the power from PGE fails then I have to go out to
> the back patio, turn on the generator, then go back inside and move
> everything that I need to have running to a 'generator only' outlet.
>
> In the meantime, the computers, routers, switches, internet devices, and
> even the stereo are all running on major APC UPS systems - three of
> them. They will power the electronics for a couple hours, so I don't
> need to be in a hurry to turn on the generator. And to keep the
> electronics running after I decide that I need to turn on the
> generator, all I need to reconnect to the 'generator only' outlets is
> the power cords from these UPS devices, plus the refrigerator,
> freezer, and some table lamps. I chose to wire the generator this way
> rather than using an automatic transfer switch is because 1) automatic
> transfer switches are expensive and, 2) automatic transfer switches
> require a permit.
>
> Regarding the permit, I had a very heated debate with the City of
> Portland, which ultimately I won. My major point was that my wiring was
> not connected in any way to the grid, hence it was impossible for it to
> electrocute a lineman working on a power pole out in the street. It is
> a completely private system. It helped my argument that I did all the
> wiring in my house myself and it all passed code inspections.
>
> As for lightning strikes, since all the electronics are running off the
> UPSs, and they have pretty good surge protection, I am not overly
> worried.
>
> Now, it's possible for something to happen that I have not foreseen,
> but then, you take some risks getting out of bed in the morning. You
> even take risks if you stay in bed. In the final analysis, we are all
> dead. In the meantime, I am satisfied with the precautions that I have
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Re: [PLUG] USB enclosures

[Denis Heidtmann]

John,

Both your main storage and your backup run from the same power line in the
same house.  What is the likelihood lightning or some other major event
could affect both at the same time?  Low, but backups are intended as
insurance for low-likelihood events.  Then there is crypto-lock.  I do not
know about how that works and how different backup schemes protect against
it.

I cannot say I have anything as robust as your system--I backup to a local
disk once per week, real time while I am sitting here.  Other times the
local backup disk is powered off.

-Denis

On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 6:15 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> On Tue, 04 Apr 2017 16:55:00 -0700
> Tom  dijo:
>
> >I understand that you are choosing RAID0 because you need 8+8=16GB of
> >storage space instead of redundancy.
> >I would advise you against using RAID0 if you care about your data -
> >single disk failure and you loose everything.
> >JBOD will give you the same storage space at about the same performance
> >over 1Gb/s ethernet + you are only risking some of the data, depending
> >which disk fails. So, JBOD is lower risk at almost no tradeoff versus
> >not-redundant RAID0 over 1Gb/s network.
> >RAID0 is really only useful for performance reasons as locally
> >connected storage inside a workstation - it doubles the disk speed.
> >That being said, local SSD/NVME will beat 2 disk HDD RAID0 in common
> >desktop/media/engineering workloads.
>
> Hmm. Interesting thoughts.
>
> You are correct that I chose Raid 0 because I want 16TB of storage
> space. It s also true that speed is not a critical consideration to me
> for this setup, that is, the speed of the main storage on the USB is
> important, but not the speed of the main storage to the Synology
> because that is just backup. I don't care how long the backups take
> because they run at 2am every night.
>
> It is certainly true that JBOD is lower risk because you probably
> wouldn't lose both disks, but this is backup storage. The main storage
> would be unlikely to be affected at the same time as a disk failure in
> the backup storage. So if I lose the whole backup, I replace the disks,
> and make a new backup from the main storage onto the new disks -
> nothing lost. And even if one disk in the backup Raid is still good,
> I'd replace it anyway, because the disks were purchased and installed
> at the same time, so if one goes, the other is probably not far behind.
> In fact, even if neither fails, when they get to the end of their
> warranty I'd probably replace both anyway. I'd rather keep things from
> failing than have to repair stuff under emergency conditions.
>
> JBOD might be a trifle safer, but I still have the main storage and I'd
> replace both disks anyway, so this benefit seems negligible to me. Raid
> 0 is probably faster, but that is also of negligible value to me. It's
> a tossup.
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[PLUG] Stephouse

[Denis Heidtmann]

Does anyone have experience and/or opinions on Stephouse?

http://www.stephouse.net/residential-high-speed-internet/

Thanks,
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Re: [PLUG] boot filled

[Denis Heidtmann]

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Bruce Kilpatrick <kd7...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > On 02/24/2017 07:57 AM, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> >> The last time this happened Tomas told me what to do, but I did not
> write
> >> it down and my mind is a sieve.  What is the solution?  There are 9
> >> archived images.  How do I safely throw out the older ones?
> >
> If you are running Ubuntu (or something similar) sudo apt-get autoremove
> will uninstall anything the system no longer relies on and update Grub
> for you.
>
> Bruce


I chose this solution ("autoremove" sounded good).  Seems to have done the
trick.  Thanks for all the replies.

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[PLUG] boot filled

[Denis Heidtmann]

The last time this happened Tomas told me what to do, but I did not write
it down and my mind is a sieve.  What is the solution?  There are 9
archived images.  How do I safely throw out the older ones?

Thanks,
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Re: [PLUG] Looking for PC/Main board x686 (could be K7) with 2-3 EISA slots

[Denis Heidtmann]

Would you be willing to post the message you received from FG?  If your
description of the response were typical I would stay away too.  But my
experience has been otherwise.  If they were out-of-line they should know
about it and take corrective action.  They perform a useful service, and
good customer relations helps them perform that service.

-Denis

On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Pete Lancashire 
wrote:

> So I emailed FG, a few days later received a reply that basically said
> "you have to be kidding, why the heck should we waste our time, btw we
> have this store that has great stuff it in with prices higher than
> Ebay even with shipping.
>
> Oh .. I was in the 'hood so I dropped in, let's see a as-is Mac cube
> thing, said AS-IS $25, a crappy Dell desktop, the ones the sell on CL
> for $10 or Goodwill (with their > $750K CEO) for $20-30, price $100
> with 1GB memory. How about a USB (not C) cable for $5. PC keyboard
> with a missing key for $5. 17" LCD for $80, same model as the one I
> got at Goodwill for $20. Old DC-600 tape cartridges marked down to $18
> from $25, AS-IS no return.
>
> Sure glad I didn't go out of my way.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Pete Lancashire 
> wrote:
> > I am no longer looking for any, when the contract was completed the
> > customer purchased the system from me, I currently do not have a
> > requirement.
> >
> > In retrospect I'm  glad FG declined, I was willing at the time to
> > offer up to $100 per drive, but acquired some for $5 each plus a 50
> > miles round trip.
> >
> > -pete
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 6:19 PM, Jim Karlock  wrote:
> >> I got several hits when I entered 8" floppy on ebay.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> JK
> >>
> >>
> >> At 05:04 PM 1/8/2017, you wrote:
> >>>Sadly I've given up on FG. I was looking for a couple 8" DS floppy
> >>>drives, had a request to see if I could recover some CAD data. Someone
> >>>said the same thing so I called FG. Confirmed they still had them but
> >>>they would not sell them to me, had to be scrapped, gave some super
> >>>lame excuses.
> >>>
> >>>-pete
> >>>
> >>>On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Chuck Hast  wrote:
> >>> > Dropped two machines with that sort of board in them off at Free
> Geek a bit
> >>> > over a week ago.
> >>> >
> >>> > On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Pete Lancashire <
> p...@petelancashire.com>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> Anyone have an old PC K7 or newer that has at least 2 EISA slots
> that
> >>> >> they no longer want ?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -pete
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Re: [PLUG] My Firefox 50.1.0 hack

[Denis Heidtmann]

Is there anybody here who is willing to explain (to a novice) how this is
possible?  I too have encountered a similar behavior, but was fortunate
enough to not have any tabs I needed to save.  I believe when I had the
problem I was running Chrome.

Thanks,
-Denis

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 1:42 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> Firefox 50.1.0 on Xubuntu 14.04 up to date.
>
> I clicked on a link that took me to wik.galert.info (DON'T GO THERE!).
> This page pops up a little window warning me that authentication is
> required, and the window claims that there is a virus that is sending
> my credit card, etc., and that this notice is from Microsoft
> (including Microsoft logos on the page). Naturally, I'm not so stupid
> that I would respond to what is surely phishing. However, I haven't
> found a way to close the popup window or the tab. I shut down Firefox
> and then restarted it, but at the time I had several windows open, each
> with numerous tabs, so to restore my session I clicked on History >
> Restore previous session. This brought back the offending tab and its
> popup window. There is also a long repeating audio message "critical
> alert from Microsoft." And the mouse is disabled everywhere on Firefox.
>
> What is interesting is that this window and the tab cannot be closed.
> In fact, I cannot close any of the tabs in any of the windows. But I
> was able to bookmark each tab, so I could shut down Firefox and then
> recreate my windows and tabs, except the offending tab, of course.
>
> I have never had an experience like this. I am curious how they hacked
> Firefox so the user cannot close tabs or popups.
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Re: [PLUG] Comcast speed upgrade

[Denis Heidtmann]

You might ask them "What else are you doing?"


-Denis

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 8:51 PM, Dick Steffens  wrote:

> An email arrived this afternoon from xfinity (Comcast) telling me that
> they are upping my speed from 75 Mbps to "up to 100 Mbps" after I
> reboot. These are download speeds. They provided directions:
>
>
> 1.
>
> Shut down your computer &
> unplug your modem from the outlet
>
> 2.
>
> Wait 10 seconds, then plug your modem back in
>
> 3.
>
> Wait 30 seconds, then turn your computer back on
>
>
> Before going through that process I ran the test at speedtest.net on two
> machines in the house:
>
> Machine Ping  Download Upload
> Wife's Win97 17 ms 91.29 Mbps6.1  Mbps
> My Ubuntu 14.04  20 ms119.02 Mbps6.18 Mbps
>
> I ran mine a second time and got
>
>9 ms119.62 Mbps9.19 Mbps
>
>
> So, without shutting anything down I get better than promised speed on
> my machine, and close to it on my wife's machine.
>
> Is there likely to be any change if I shut down my router, their cable
> modem, and start them back up?
>
> --
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>
> Dick Steffens
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[PLUG] laptop message during boot

[Denis Heidtmann]

Just before the sign-in dialog I get a brief message which I used a video
to capture.  Googling points me to some discussion but no explanation of
meaning that I can understand.  The message is something like:

lvmetad is not active yet using direct activation during sysinit
/dev/mapper/ubuntu-vg-root: clean 346675/9691136 files

The above is a cut-and-paste from a site; my video is not good enough to
read everything, but I believe that it is at least very similar.

It refers to lvm.  I had only three entries containing "lvm" in dmesg;
nothing related to this afaict.

Is this just something spurious that I should ignore, or is there real
information there?

(running ubuntu 16.04)

Thanks,

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Re: [PLUG] message on screen when booting

[Denis Heidtmann]

On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Russell Senior 
wrote:

>
> Denis> On my Thinkpad L420 a message appears very briefly just prior to
> Denis> the login screen.  I have tried unsuccessfully to take a video of
> Denis> it since it appears for too short a time to read.  This morning I
> Denis> got the idea to delay entering my sign-in for two minutes.  Then
> Denis> I could look at dmesg and find the entries around the sign-in.
> Denis> Below is the section of (possible) interest.  Nothing has meaning
> Denis> to me.  How else might I find out what this mystery message is?
>
>   [Sat Dec  3 09:13:41 2016] VBoxNetFlt: Successfully started.
>   [Sat Dec  3 09:13:41 2016] VBoxNetAdp: Successfully started.
>   [Sat Dec  3 09:13:41 2016] VBoxPciLinuxInit
>   [Sat Dec  3 09:13:41 2016] vboxpci: IOMMU not found (not registered)
>
> The above are related to VirtualBox starting.  Do you use VirtualBox?
>
>   [Sat Dec  3 09:15:56 2016] wlp3s0: authenticate with 00:27:22:24:4a:96
>   [Sat Dec  3 09:15:56 2016] wlp3s0: send auth to 00:27:22:24:4a:96 (try
> 1/3)
>   [Sat Dec  3 09:15:56 2016] wlp3s0: authenticated
>
> and this is your wireless interface connecting to a wireless network.
>
>
> --
> Russell Senior, President
>

I do use VirtualBox.

I thought since I can detect no time delay between the transient message in
question and the opening of the sign-on window that any evidence of the
message would lie before the 2-minute delay.  Can I then conclude that the
message comes from VirtualBox?

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[PLUG] message on screen when booting

[Denis Heidtmann]

On my Thinkpad L420 a message appears very briefly just prior to the login
screen.  I have tried unsuccessfully to take a video of it since it appears
for too short a time to read.  This morning I got the idea to delay
entering my sign-in for two minutes.  Then I could look at dmesg and find
the entries around the sign-in.  Below is the section of (possible)
interest.  Nothing has meaning to me.  How else might I find out what this
mystery message is?

[Sat Dec  3 09:13:41 2016] VBoxNetFlt: Successfully started.
[Sat Dec  3 09:13:41 2016] VBoxNetAdp: Successfully started.
[Sat Dec  3 09:13:41 2016] VBoxPciLinuxInit
[Sat Dec  3 09:13:41 2016] vboxpci: IOMMU not found (not registered)
[Sat Dec  3 09:15:56 2016] wlp3s0: authenticate with 00:27:22:24:4a:96
[Sat Dec  3 09:15:56 2016] wlp3s0: send auth to 00:27:22:24:4a:96 (try 1/3)
[Sat Dec  3 09:15:56 2016] wlp3s0: authenticated

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[PLUG] Fwd: More desktop issues

[Denis Heidtmann]

For Tomas:

In case you missed this summary of what actions I took:

The latest in this saga is that the machine appears to be functioning
normally.  Two possible reasons:

1.  I opened the case, cleaned out some dust, and reseated the sata cable
to the hard drive.  The dust in my opinion was not bad.  Checks of
temperatures and voltages never looked suspect.  So if this was responsible
for the fix (assuming it stays fixed!) it was likely the sata connection.

2. During most of the boots into recovery mode I chose dpkg (repair broken
packages).  After rebooting the last time I checked the "updater".  It
reported "security updates for current hardware enablement stack ended on
2016-08-04: *http://wiki.ubuntu.com/1404_HWE_EOL;.  I chose install.  Then
restart.  Every time I have run the  dpkg option during the recovery there
were errors reported, but the text flew by so fast that I could not capture
them.  I will be studying the logs to see if I can get any clues, but it
would likely take a more knowledgeable brain than mine to decipher the
messages.

Thanks for the many suggestions.

Until the next failure--

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Re: [PLUG] more desktop issues

[Denis Heidtmann]

On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Tom  wrote:

> Hi Denis,
>
> I hope that I did not miss this obvious suggestion in your past posts.
> If so, I regret pointing the obvious.
>
> Did you check the file system on the drives?
>
> If you did not, here is how to do this safely:
> 1. check what filesystems you have at what partitions, in case that you
> you need it later
> 2. boot into recovery mode or life distribution using CD/DVD/USB, so
> that you are not using your hard drive(s) or SSD(s) in the machine.
> 3. run fsck on all partitions excluding swap. Example:
> fsck /dev/sda1
> 4. If you encounter errors, follow the instructions on how to fix them.
>
> I hope things get better soon ...
> Tomas


Tomas,

Thanks for the advice.  I checked sda1, but did not check swap.  But the
good news is that it has been working fine for a number of days now.  The
bad news is that I am not sure what changed.  I will try to summarize what
I did later, but I do not have the time just now.

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Re: [PLUG] Shipping a monitor

[Denis Heidtmann]

On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Marvin Kosmal  wrote:

> I took my monitor down to Home Depot and they packed it for me.. For free..
> What a place.


I will see if I have the same luck.  Thanks.

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Re: [PLUG] Shipping a monitor

[Denis Heidtmann]

Thanks for the information.  I will check with the local HD.

-Denis

On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Dick Steffens <d...@dicksteffens.com>
wrote:

> On 11/27/2016 10:58 AM, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > I have an ASUS VE228H which I need to ship back under warranty.  I am
> > looking for a shipping box, preferably one made for a 21.5" monitor.  I
> > have asked at two retail stores; theirs were all compacted by the time I
> > got there.  I will continue to ask at stores, but I thought there might
> be
> > someone here who has saved and no longer needs the shipping container
> > theirs came in.  The RMA expires December 20th, so I have a little time
> to
> > get the shipping done.
>
> U-Haul and Home Depot have many different boxes, some meant for shipping
> TVs. Those are too big for your 21.5" monitor, but you might be able to
> use a medium or large box. The proportions won't be right, but you can
> put the monitor in diagonally. Home Depot also has foam blocks designed
> for the corners of TVs. They will work for a smaller monitor.
>
> --
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>
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[PLUG] Shipping a monitor

[Denis Heidtmann]

I have an ASUS VE228H which I need to ship back under warranty.  I am
looking for a shipping box, preferably one made for a 21.5" monitor.  I
have asked at two retail stores; theirs were all compacted by the time I
got there.  I will continue to ask at stores, but I thought there might be
someone here who has saved and no longer needs the shipping container
theirs came in.  The RMA expires December 20th, so I have a little time to
get the shipping done.

Thanks,

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[PLUG] printing cost estimates

[Denis Heidtmann]

Many folks here have touted the benefits of laser jet over ink jet.  I
concur for a variety of reasons: cost of supplies and HP's nasty ways of
forcing people to use only their ink.  So I have been looking into the
costs for my particular low-use situation.  From data over the last two
years,  I estimate my usage to be about 123 color and 425 black pages per
year.  It costs about $67 per year for the ink.

A Brother MFC9340DCW was recommended here.  Assuming my usage remains the
same I estimate the toner would cost $25 per year on a sustained basis, but
I would likely not use up the original cartridges, so maybe I should
consider the toner costs to be zero.

This places my savings at $67/yr minus interest on $300.

Now I would have to restructure the desk I am using--the Brother would not
fit without some creative carpentry.  So I wonder if it would be worth the
bother.  The financial benefit is not the only driver for such low usage.
Am I leaving something out, such as print quality?

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Re: [PLUG] More desktop issues

[Denis Heidtmann]

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Don Buchholz <buchh...@easystreet.net>
wrote:

> On 11/22/2016 10:56 AM, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > The latest in this saga is that the machine appears to be functioning
> > normally.  Two possible reasons:
> >
> > 1.  I opened the case, cleaned out some dust, and reseated the sata cable
> > to the hard drive.  The dust in my opinion was not bad.  Checks of
> > temperatures and voltages never looked suspect.  So if this was
> responsible
> > for the fix (assuming it stays fixed!) it was likely the sata connection.
> >
> > 2. During most of the boots into recovery mode I chose dpkg (repair
> broken
> > packages).  After rebooting the last time I checked the "updater".  It
> > reported "security updates for current hardware enablement stack ended on
> > 2016-08-04: *http://wiki.ubuntu.com/1404_HWE_EOL;.  I chose install.
> Then
> > restart.  Every time I have run the  dpkg option during the recovery
> there
> > were errors reported, but the text flew by so fast that I could not
> capture
> > them.  I will be studying the logs to see if I can get any clues, but it
> > would likely take a more knowledgeable brain than mine to decipher the
> > messages.
> >
> > Thanks for the many suggestions.
> >
> > Until the next failure--
> >
> > -Denis
>
> Denis,
>
> To capture all the text (and control characters, etc. ...)
>
>  # script 
>  #run_command
>  #run_another_command
>  #  ...
>  #  exit  ( or just [Ctrl-D])
>
> If you run script(1) w/o a filename option, it will create a file
> named "typescript" in the current directory.  After exiting that
> shell, you can view, grep,  on the log/script file and never
> have to worry that so many lines have passed by that you've
> overrun your screen/terminal's line buffer.
>
> - Don
>

I booted the current kernel in recovery mode.  I was presented with a
window with a number of options.  One of the options is dpkg: repair
packages.  Choosing this option is what generates the screens of data.  How
do I apply your suggestion to this situation? What is the current
directory? How do I get to a terminal from this window?

Thanks,
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[PLUG] More desktop issues

[Denis Heidtmann]

The latest in this saga is that the machine appears to be functioning
normally.  Two possible reasons:

1.  I opened the case, cleaned out some dust, and reseated the sata cable
to the hard drive.  The dust in my opinion was not bad.  Checks of
temperatures and voltages never looked suspect.  So if this was responsible
for the fix (assuming it stays fixed!) it was likely the sata connection.

2. During most of the boots into recovery mode I chose dpkg (repair broken
packages).  After rebooting the last time I checked the "updater".  It
reported "security updates for current hardware enablement stack ended on
2016-08-04: *http://wiki.ubuntu.com/1404_HWE_EOL;.  I chose install.  Then
restart.  Every time I have run the  dpkg option during the recovery there
were errors reported, but the text flew by so fast that I could not capture
them.  I will be studying the logs to see if I can get any clues, but it
would likely take a more knowledgeable brain than mine to decipher the
messages.

Thanks for the many suggestions.

Until the next failure--

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Re: [PLUG] more desktop issues

[Denis Heidtmann]

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Rich Shepard <rshep...@appl-ecosys.com>
wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Nov 2016, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
>
> > Ideas?
>
>If this were my problem the first thing I'd do is separate hardware from
> software issues. You wrote that you have a live USB drive with some
> distribution on it. Try booting the problem host with that, or even another
> distribution.
>
>If the system boots and works normally you know it's the OS software and
> not the hardware. Otherwise, you know it's a hardware issue.
>
> HTH,
>
> Rich


Has the hardware messed up the software?  Sometimes it boots fine, esp.
after I run the recovery mode.  The "sometimes" nature points to hardware,
but the repair of dpkg errors points to messed up sw.   I will try your
suggestion after running a memory check for a few hour--maybe overnight.

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[PLUG] more desktop issues

[Denis Heidtmann]

The desktop machine continues to fail in various ways.  All the
observations and trials are too varied and random (or so it appears to me)
that I do not know what to relate and what is a distraction.

This AM on boot I got "error: attempt to read or write outside of hd0"
 Press any key to continue."

key presses ignored.  Reboot by button press.  Looked in the bios for
clues. Voltages and temperatures look OK.  Reboot gets the same "error:
att..."

Reboot into recovery mode latest kernel (3.160-77 generic).  fsck ran w/o
reporting errors.
 dpkg: bus error, bus error, input/output error 4 times. System summary
reports APT database bad.

Reboot normally.  ran sudo dpkg --configure -a  No errors reported.

Then I repeated the recovery mode and dpkg repair.  suggests apt-get
autoremove.  also says unable to fetch some archives.

Reboot normally.  Tried sudo apt autoremove --purge.  I get "--purge is not
understood"  I think this indicates the command should be apt-get, but I
believe I ran sudo apt autoremove --purge on the laptop with success.

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Re: [PLUG] laptop error msg out of space for /boot

[Denis Heidtmann]

I appreciate your help.  Now watch for postings on my @#$% desktop.  It
seems to be having problems.  May also relate to packages.

-Denis

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 11:34 PM, Tom <tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am glad that it sorted your problem.
>
> All you need to do, what I do anyway, is to run the auto remove command
> every few months, or as often as you feel like in order to remove old
> packages and kernel versions. It took a while to fill your /boot
> partition, so you should have about the same time before seeing the
> problem again.
>
> When apt removes the unused kernel packages, it takes care of Grub
> configuration too.
>
> Enjoy the rest of the weekend, Tomas
>
> On Sat, 2016-11-19 at 14:54 -0800, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Richard England <
> > rlengl...@frontier.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 11/19/2016 09:50 AM, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > > > On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Richard England <
> > > > rlengl...@frontier.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 11/18/2016 05:54 PM, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > > > > > On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 5:13 PM, Russell Senior <
> > > > > russ...@personaltelco.net>
> > > > > > > Denis> This is a recent install, so I expect that there may
> > > > > > > not be
> > > > > > > many
> > > > > > > Denis> kernels.  How do I see what older kernels I have?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I use aptitude for package management.  Look for packages
> > > > > > > named
> > > > > > > linux-image-* and the associated linux-image-extra-*.  You
> > > > > > > want to
> > > purge
> > > > > > > them, I think.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Russell Senior, President
> > > > > > > russ...@personaltelco.net
> > > > > > I looked using synaptic.  I see 4.4.0-42.62 both in generic
> > > > > > and extra.
> > > > > > There are 7 earlier, all listed as installed.  But I also see
> > > > > 4.4.0-47.68,
> > > > > > yet uname shows 42.68.  Is it possible that the install of
> > > > > > 47.68
> > > stalled
> > > > > > when I got that memory error?  But regardless, it seems I
> > > > > > have some
> > > older
> > > > > > stuff to get rid of.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But you said "..., I think."  That makes me reluctant.
> > > > > >  Someone as
> > > > > > incompetent as I am needs certainty to minimize the chance of
> > > > > catastrophe.
> > > > > > -Denis
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> > > > > I'm not adept at Ubuntu but if you are installing updates with
> > > > > apt-get
> > > > > can't you use
> > > > >
> > > > > sudo apt autoremove --purge
> > > > >
> > > > > to remove the old kernels as well as other unused packages?
> > > > >
> > > > It worked.  Why do you say that I "cannot use" ?  Or are you
> > > > asking a
> > > > question?
> > > >
> > > > -Denis
> > > > ___
> > > I use Ubuntu mostly on VMs so I am rarely concerned with removing
> > > SW.
> > > The machines don't last long enough to merit updating much less
> > > removing.
> > >
> > > I was questioning my understanding and the applicability in your
> > > environment.
> > >
> > > Hope that helped clean things up for your update.
> > >
> > > ~
> >
> >
> > Yes.  /boot has only two versions now: 4.4.0-42 and -47.  So it
> > worked.  I
> > had 8 before.
> >
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Re: [PLUG] dead (almost) computer

[Denis Heidtmann]

Update:
booted into recovery to older version; checked system summary; did dpkg
repair.  Lots of messages about issues. shut down; booted in recovery of
current version; repeat dpkg repair.  One pass memtest.  shut down, booted
normally.  Everything looks OK now.

I expect my improper shut downs when the monitor was not working broke a
bunch of stuff.  Free Geek monitor seems nice.  Both computers seem happy
now. Me too.

-Denis

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> This is the machine that had the monitor quit.  Now with a new monitor it
> appeared to boot satisfactorily, but none of the icons launch anything,
> attempting to shut down via the icon just blanks the menu bar then restores
> it.  I have had to shut down using the power switch (numerous times, some
> when the monitor was dead.)
>
> I rebooted into recovery.  Got a busybox msg and initramfs msgs.  Kernel
> panic.  No idea what of the messages are useful; no idea where to go from
> here.  I just yesterday created a startup usb stick, so I can try to boot
> from that.  If successful, what then?
>
> Thanks for any ideas.  (Cannot make it to the clinic tomorrow,
> unfortunately.)
>
> -Denisw
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[PLUG] dead (almost) computer

[Denis Heidtmann]

This is the machine that had the monitor quit.  Now with a new monitor it
appeared to boot satisfactorily, but none of the icons launch anything,
attempting to shut down via the icon just blanks the menu bar then restores
it.  I have had to shut down using the power switch (numerous times, some
when the monitor was dead.)

I rebooted into recovery.  Got a busybox msg and initramfs msgs.  Kernel
panic.  No idea what of the messages are useful; no idea where to go from
here.  I just yesterday created a startup usb stick, so I can try to boot
from that.  If successful, what then?

Thanks for any ideas.  (Cannot make it to the clinic tomorrow,
unfortunately.)

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Re: [PLUG] laptop error msg out of space for /boot

[Denis Heidtmann]

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Richard England <rlengl...@frontier.com>
wrote:

> On 11/19/2016 09:50 AM, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Richard England <rlengl...@frontier.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 11/18/2016 05:54 PM, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 5:13 PM, Russell Senior <
> >> russ...@personaltelco.net>
> >>>> Denis> This is a recent install, so I expect that there may not be
> >>>> many
> >>>> Denis> kernels.  How do I see what older kernels I have?
> >>>>
> >>>> I use aptitude for package management.  Look for packages named
> >>>> linux-image-* and the associated linux-image-extra-*.  You want to
> purge
> >>>> them, I think.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Russell Senior, President
> >>>> russ...@personaltelco.net
> >>> I looked using synaptic.  I see 4.4.0-42.62 both in generic and extra.
> >>> There are 7 earlier, all listed as installed.  But I also see
> >> 4.4.0-47.68,
> >>> yet uname shows 42.68.  Is it possible that the install of 47.68
> stalled
> >>> when I got that memory error?  But regardless, it seems I have some
> older
> >>> stuff to get rid of.
> >>>
> >>> But you said "..., I think."  That makes me reluctant.  Someone as
> >>> incompetent as I am needs certainty to minimize the chance of
> >> catastrophe.
> >>> -Denis
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> >> I'm not adept at Ubuntu but if you are installing updates with apt-get
> >> can't you use
> >>
> >> sudo apt autoremove --purge
> >>
> >> to remove the old kernels as well as other unused packages?
> >>
> > It worked.  Why do you say that I "cannot use" ?  Or are you asking a
> > question?
> >
> > -Denis
> > ___
> I use Ubuntu mostly on VMs so I am rarely concerned with removing SW.
> The machines don't last long enough to merit updating much less removing.
>
> I was questioning my understanding and the applicability in your
> environment.
>
> Hope that helped clean things up for your update.
>
> ~


Yes.  /boot has only two versions now: 4.4.0-42 and -47.  So it worked.  I
had 8 before.

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Re: [PLUG] laptop error msg out of space for /boot

[Denis Heidtmann]

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Richard England <rlengl...@frontier.com>
wrote:

> On 11/18/2016 05:54 PM, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 5:13 PM, Russell Senior <
> russ...@personaltelco.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>>>>>> "Denis" == Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> writes:
> >> Denis> This is a recent install, so I expect that there may not be many
> >> Denis> kernels.  How do I see what older kernels I have?
> >>
> >> I use aptitude for package management.  Look for packages named
> >> linux-image-* and the associated linux-image-extra-*.  You want to purge
> >> them, I think.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Russell Senior, President
> >> russ...@personaltelco.net
> >
> > I looked using synaptic.  I see 4.4.0-42.62 both in generic and extra.
> > There are 7 earlier, all listed as installed.  But I also see
> 4.4.0-47.68,
> > yet uname shows 42.68.  Is it possible that the install of 47.68 stalled
> > when I got that memory error?  But regardless, it seems I have some older
> > stuff to get rid of.
> >
> > But you said "..., I think."  That makes me reluctant.  Someone as
> > incompetent as I am needs certainty to minimize the chance of
> catastrophe.
> >
> > -Denis
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> I'm not adept at Ubuntu but if you are installing updates with apt-get
> can't you use
>
> sudo apt autoremove --purge
>
> to remove the old kernels as well as other unused packages?
>

It worked.  Why do you say that I "cannot use" ?  Or are you asking a
question?

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Re: [PLUG] laptop error msg out of space for /boot

[Denis Heidtmann]

Thanks, Tomas.  I will do that.  Afterward, is there anything I need to do
to correct the result of running into the memory problem?

-Denis

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 12:05 AM, Tom <tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Need to run to remove unused old versions of kernels and other
> packages?
> Run: sudo apt autoremove --purge
>
> That should fix that for you automagically.
>
> If you want to prevent the problem happening in the future without
> remembering the command, you can configure it by following this guide:
> http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/05/remove-old-kernels-ubuntu-1
> 6-04/
> <http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/05/remove-old-kernels-ubuntu-1%0A6-04/>
>
> I just run the "autoremove" command whenever I remember, one a year
> maybe.
>
> Hope it helps, Tomas
>
> On Fri, 2016-11-18 at 17:54 -0800, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 5:13 PM, Russell Senior <
> > russ...@personaltelco.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > "Denis" == Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > writes:
> > >
> > > Denis> This is a recent install, so I expect that there may not be
> > > many
> > > Denis> kernels.  How do I see what older kernels I have?
> > >
> > > I use aptitude for package management.  Look for packages named
> > > linux-image-* and the associated linux-image-extra-*.  You want to
> > > purge
> > > them, I think.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Russell Senior, President
> > > russ...@personaltelco.net
> >
> >
> > I looked using synaptic.  I see 4.4.0-42.62 both in generic and
> > extra.
> > There are 7 earlier, all listed as installed.  But I also see 4.4.0
> > -47.68,
> > yet uname shows 42.68.  Is it possible that the install of 47.68
> > stalled
> > when I got that memory error?  But regardless, it seems I have some
> > older
> > stuff to get rid of.
> >
> > But you said "..., I think."  That makes me reluctant.  Someone as
> > incompetent as I am needs certainty to minimize the chance of
> > catastrophe.
> >
> > -Denis
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Re: [PLUG] laptop error msg out of space for /boot

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On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 5:13 PM, Russell Senior <russ...@personaltelco.net>
wrote:

> >>>>> "Denis" == Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> Denis> This is a recent install, so I expect that there may not be many
> Denis> kernels.  How do I see what older kernels I have?
>
> I use aptitude for package management.  Look for packages named
> linux-image-* and the associated linux-image-extra-*.  You want to purge
> them, I think.
>
>
> --
> Russell Senior, President
> russ...@personaltelco.net


I looked using synaptic.  I see 4.4.0-42.62 both in generic and extra.
There are 7 earlier, all listed as installed.  But I also see 4.4.0-47.68,
yet uname shows 42.68.  Is it possible that the install of 47.68 stalled
when I got that memory error?  But regardless, it seems I have some older
stuff to get rid of.

But you said "..., I think."  That makes me reluctant.  Someone as
incompetent as I am needs certainty to minimize the chance of catastrophe.

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