RE: [NF] Microsoft XPS = Microsoft Bob? (was Re: [NF] oddball PDF file print/size issue)

2012-12-14 Thread John Weller
Ah - but is it as good as Win 7? :-) John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 You guessed right, Mike! When you de-crapify Win 8, there's nothing left in the Metro/Modern window, and all you have to do is to add a Start Menu and fix it so it boots directly into the Desktop. Oh, wait, how

Re: [NF] Microsoft XPS = Microsoft Bob? (was Re: [NF] oddball PDF file print/size issue)

2012-12-14 Thread Allen
It misses the start menu but there is a classic menu about that works other than it blocks access to a point to the new start button. Also the gadget's go but there is also a workaround for that. The biggest problem I found is the laptop mouse-pad is uncontrollable, the drivers don't work as

Re: [NF] Microsoft XPS = Microsoft Bob? (was Re: [NF] oddball PDF file print/size issue)

2012-12-14 Thread Alan Bourke
Yeah, XPS never took off, shame because the Adobe Reader is getting increasingly annoying and sneakily installing shite that nobody wants. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox

RE: [NF] Microsoft XPS = Microsoft Bob? (was Re: [NF] oddball PDF file print/size issue)

2012-12-14 Thread Adam Buckland
I was working on roaming profiles and follow me desktops.. this was early 90's didn't get into databases until my ex decided that she couldn't live in Washington and wanted to come back to the UK... I came back and went into the family business which used Foxpro hence being on here, she

RE: [NF] Microsoft XPS = Microsoft Bob? (was Re: [NF] oddball PDF file print/size issue)

2012-12-14 Thread Paul Newton
I have found XPS Document Writer to be very useful for creating forms (i.e. custom paper sizes) of almost arbitrary (very very large) dimensions ... useful when using XFRX to generate Excel sheets with many columns -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech

Re: [NF] Microsoft XPS = Microsoft Bob? (was Re: [NF] oddball PDF file print/size issue)

2012-12-14 Thread AndyHC
There's a hack for XP mode on Win8 (and lowly Win 7 versions). If you download XP Mode from ms (or elsewhere) 7-Zip will unpack it and you can load it in VirtualBox (also maybe hypervisor). Forget all the details but Google knows them g. AndyD 8-)# On 14/12/2012 09:06, Allen wrote:

Re: [NF] Microsoft XPS = Microsoft Bob? (was Re: [NF] oddball PDF file print/size issue)

2012-12-14 Thread Allen
Thanks Andy That was all that was holding me back from my other laptop. As I have some XP users out there I like to check things out sometimes. It is a pity M$ didn't keep the start menu in desktop though. Probably better built in. Al -Original Message- There's a hack for XP mode

[NF] Android Development

2012-12-14 Thread Dave Crozier
Hi guys, I have looked at all types of android development systems/IDE's over the last few months as I need to replace our PDA stock take system (C# Microsoft) which also needs some modifications. The most important reason to change however was the requirement to show more data than is possible

Re: [NF] Android Development

2012-12-14 Thread Alan Bourke
They are all, ultimately, based on Java. However you might not have to do your development in Java. For example, Titanium development is all done in JavaScript using an IDE which is a customised version of Eclipse. And as any fule kno, JavaScript != Java.

RE: [NF] Android Development

2012-12-14 Thread Dave Crozier
Alan, I meant to put Java/Javascript not just Java as even though they are mututally exclusive they do bear a common heritage. I must admit I quite like Titanium but the problem I have with most new development systems and that includes Apple iOS is that the HUGE frameworks around them make the

Re: [NF] Android Development

2012-12-14 Thread Thierry Nivelet
Hi Dave, Why not consider VFP + FoxInCloud for a web app working on any OS (with Internet connexion of course) Thierry Nivelet FoxInCloud Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud http://foxincloud.com/ Le 14/12/12 11:38, Dave Crozier a écrit : Alan, I meant to put Java/Javascript not

RE: [NF] Android Development

2012-12-14 Thread Dave Crozier
Thiery, I need a non web based app for stocktaking unfortunately. Dave -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Thierry Nivelet Sent: 14 December 2012 11:08 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Android Development Hi Dave, Why not consider VFP +

Re: [NF] Android Development

2012-12-14 Thread Alan Bourke
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012, at 10:38 AM, Dave Crozier wrote: Anyway, all I can say is that I have accomplished more in 2 days using B4A I hadn't seen it before your post - it looks well worth checking out. Is the Android emulator still taking an eternity to load these days?

Re: [NF] Windows has fallen behind Apple IOS and Google Android...

2012-12-14 Thread Alan Bourke
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Ted Roche wrote: Just thought I'd throw a little raw meat in the shark tank on this lovely Friday. Please digest and discuss... http://www.zdnet.com/windows-has-fallen-behind-apple-ios-and-google-android-708699/ In the consumer space I don't think

RE: [NF] Android Development

2012-12-14 Thread Dave Crozier
Alan, it isn't as fast as a real machine, granted but it works OK. The nice thing is though I connect the Actual Tablet via Wifi and do the debugging on there, which works well. The one thing about having a slow emulator is that you are always pleasantly surprised how fast your real tablet

Re: [NF] Windows has fallen behind Apple IOS and Google Android...

2012-12-14 Thread Alan Bourke
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012, at 01:27 PM, Ted Roche wrote: For rich-client desktop apps, yes. But what about web-enabled apps? What does a Web Connect app care about whether the browser access it is Chrome on Android, Safari on iOS or IE9 on W8? Well, it doesn't, but I'm still not seeing a whole

Re: [NF] PostgreSQL x MySQL

2012-12-14 Thread Eurico Chagas Filho
Paul, what version of MySQL u r using for the tests ? E. From: Paul McNett p...@ulmcnett.com To: profox@leafe.com Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [NF] PostgreSQL x MySQL On 12/13/12 3:03 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: On Thu, Dec 13,

Re: [NF] PostgreSQL x MySQL

2012-12-14 Thread Paul McNett
On 12/14/12 5:38 AM, Eurico Chagas Filho wrote: Paul, what version of MySQL u r using for the tests ? 5.0.45, which is around 5 years old I think. Paul ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance:

Re: [NF] Android Development

2012-12-14 Thread Paul Hill
Apparently it's better to use a VM running Android-x86 http://www.android-x86.org/ On 14 December 2012 13:07, Dave Crozier da...@flexipol.co.uk wrote: Alan, it isn't as fast as a real machine, granted but it works OK. The nice thing is though I connect the Actual Tablet via Wifi and do the

Re: [NF] PostgreSQL x MySQL

2012-12-14 Thread Ted Roche
There's a lot of misinformation and outdated information about MySQL on the web. It's similar to opinions people write about FoxPro based on something they heard about FoxBase a decade or two ago, or many Foxer's opinion of Access :) It's important to understand the architecture of MySQL, too:

Re: Passwords (HASHED!) store in same table or separate table?

2012-12-14 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
On 12/13/2012 9:23 PM, Paul McNett wrote: I happen to think remote views suck, but maybe I was just doing it wrong. CPVFUG (Central PA Visual Foxpro User Group...I was the President) hosted Chuck Urweiler (Hentzenwerke author) at a meeting and he swore that there was no difference between

Re: [NF] Android Development

2012-12-14 Thread AndyHC
Dave, that's interesting because I trawled round the same things - just from a hobby pov. I was initially attracted to Basic4Android but was put off by the fact that it just (!) produces Java as 'intercode'; so I decided to have another (hobbyist) look at Java. I was put off when I first

Re: Passwords (HASHED!) store in same table or separate table?

2012-12-14 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
On 12/13/2012 10:18 PM, Ken Dibble wrote: I think everything having to do with VFP's built-in buffering system, including views, sucks. It seems like you have to stand on one leg on alternate Wednesdays under a full moon to get data written to the disk and reliably returned to the user.

Re: Design

2012-12-14 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
On 12/13/2012 10:24 PM, Ken Dibble wrote: But that's not a collect names and addresses type application. Those pretty much all look like Cardfile. I think one of the biggest frauds perpetrated by the computer industry is the notion that complexity can really be made simple. If you have to

Re: Design

2012-12-14 Thread AndyHC
On 14/12/2012 12:48, Stephen Russell wrote: snip Sorry but design trumps complex all the time. Take a shopping cart. Do you present Bill To: textboxes if you can read the checkbox that asks if Bill To is the same as Ship To? ... and which of the cartoons does the ship-to screen most

Re: [NF] Microsoft XPS = Microsoft Bob? (was Re: [NF] oddball PDF file print/size issue)

2012-12-14 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
On 12/13/2012 10:52 PM, Ken Dibble wrote: You guessed right, Mike! When you de-crapify Win 8, there's nothing left in the Metro/Modern window, and all you have to do is to add a Start Menu and fix it so it boots directly into the Desktop. Oh, wait, how does this differ from Windows 7? It

RE: [NF] Android Development

2012-12-14 Thread Dave Crozier
Andy, No, it is VB without all the nasties (i.e goto and labels etc) but including oop, classes, libraries ( see the full list here: http://www.basic4ppc.com/android/wiki/index.php/Libraries ) and a direct link down to Eclipse. the IDE has sub...end sub for subroutines and follows the standard

RE: Design

2012-12-14 Thread Dave Crozier
Matt, You obviously have either a bad case of RSI or far too much time on your hands.. lol! Dave -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of M Jarvis Sent: 14 December 2012 16:55 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: Design You got *that* right... I

Re: [NF] Android Development

2012-12-14 Thread Eurico Chagas Filho
Dave What kind of database u r using ? SQLite ? The phone and the desktop both access the same data ? E. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to:

Re: [NF] Windows has fallen behind Apple IOS and Google Android...

2012-12-14 Thread Allen
That's my feelings too. Don't like it. Al -Original Message- I have to say that IMO Apple were lucky to get a head-start with iOS because IMO compared to recent versions of Android and mobile Windows it's a distinct third place in terms of usability and design.

Re: [NF] Windows has fallen behind Apple IOS and Google Android...

2012-12-14 Thread Allen
I think the 10 is only single core so not very fast. The 4 I know nothing about. The 7 however is a fast machine, latest android unlike Samsung's poor effort. The reason I didn't get one, and I was looking, is the lack of camera and the lack of SD slot. I know the camera wont bother you JM but

Re: [NF] Android Development

2012-12-14 Thread AndyHC
Well Basic4Android is still on my todo list (and I keep getting nudges from their mailing list) - but C# to Java? - there's an app for it bg http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/9789645d-9b31-4033-bcb1-53dc5ff58e05 AndyD 8-)# On 14/12/2012 16:52, Dave Crozier wrote: Andy, No, it

Re: Passwords (HASHED!) store in same table or separate table?

2012-12-14 Thread Paul McNett
On 12/14/12 8:40 AM, M Jarvis wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 8:02 AM, MB Software Solutions, LLC mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: On 12/13/2012 9:23 PM, Paul McNett wrote: Chuck Urweiler (Hentzenwerke author) at a meeting and he swore that there was no difference

Re: Design

2012-12-14 Thread Ken Dibble
I think one of the biggest frauds perpetrated by the computer industry is the notion that complexity can really be made simple. If you have to do a complex task, then you need a complex interface to control it. If you can replace the complex interface with something that is significantly

Re: [NF] Windows has fallen behind Apple IOS and Google Android...

2012-12-14 Thread Ted Roche
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:41 PM, M Jarvis brewda...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 5:27 AM, Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com wrote: What does a Web Connect app care about whether the browser access it is Chrome on Android, Safari on iOS or IE9 on W8? Because either the a) doofus

Re: Design

2012-12-14 Thread Ken Dibble
The reality of the app is that there is a lot of complexity in the app, but all the common elements have been drawn into this simplified work-flow. Other specialist clerks enter the oddball business rules. Some just deal with exceptions all day, and they have a different and more complex UI to

Re: [NF] Windows has fallen behind Apple IOS and Google Android...

2012-12-14 Thread M Jarvis
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com What does a Web Connect app care about whether the browser access it is Chrome on Android, Safari on iOS or IE9 on W8? Because either the a) doofus developer is browser centric mindset and/or b) the browser is 'compliant' in

Re: [NF] Windows has fallen behind Apple IOS and Google Android...

2012-12-14 Thread Ted Roche
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:37 PM, M Jarvis brewda...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com Expand on this a little, would you? That's because Ted Roche is not a doofus... I think we're all bozos on this bus. -- Firesign Theatre, 1971 --

Re: Design

2012-12-14 Thread Ted Roche
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Ken Dibble krdib...@stny.rr.com wrote: I find restricted, single-path-through-the-task interfaces to be annoying. Not everybody thinks or works most efficiently along the same path. Plus you never know how close you are to being done with those things, and

Re: Design

2012-12-14 Thread Ken Dibble
Here's one of my favorite interfaces. it takes three people to run it. I spent over a year learning how to operate the right-third, and another few months to run the left-third: http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0864504.jpg It's as simple an interface as can be made for the complexity of

Re: Design

2012-12-14 Thread Ted Roche
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Ken Dibble krdib...@stny.rr.com wrote: I'm likin' it, but I don't see any pedals under the steering wheel... ;-) Yeah, those are steam throttles. The steering happens up front, where they can peek out the windshield ;) -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates,

Re: [NF] Windows has fallen behind Apple IOS and Google Android...

2012-12-14 Thread Allen
Only a skype type camera, not a slightly better one on the back. USB might make up for lack of SD. Al -Original Message- Well Al it does have camera albeit not a very good one and the lack of an SD card is compensated by USB otg ___ Post

RE: [NF] Windows has fallen behind Apple IOS and Google Android...

2012-12-14 Thread Richard Kaye
Don't Crush That Dwarf. Hand Me the Pliers. -- rk -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 2:21 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Windows has fallen behind Apple IOS and Google Android...

Re: [NF] Windows has fallen behind Apple IOS and Google Android...

2012-12-14 Thread Fred Taylor
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. Fred On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Richard Kaye rk...@artfact.com wrote: Don't Crush That Dwarf. Hand Me the Pliers. -- rk -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of

Re: Design

2012-12-14 Thread Ken Dibble
But that's not a collect names and addresses type application. Those pretty much all look like Cardfile. I think one of the biggest frauds perpetrated by the computer industry is the notion that complexity can really be made simple. If you have to do a complex task, then you need a complex

Re: [NF] Midieval helpdesk

2012-12-14 Thread Ken Dibble
Has subtitles but you can get over that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=pQHX-SjgQvQ#! *LMAO* Just today somebody sent me a voice mail message saying that in her Outlook Express she wanted to send an email to somebody but the person's address wasn't in her contact

RE: [NF] Windows has fallen behind Apple IOS and Google Android...

2012-12-14 Thread Ken Dibble
I think we're all bozos on this bus. -- Firesign Theatre, 1971 Don't Crush That Dwarf. Hand Me the Pliers. What about my pickle?! Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: