Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

It's more stable when compared to my experience with XPSP2. I log 60+ hours a week on the same PC running Vista that used to run XP, and Vista doesn't crash or hang nearly as often. I pretty much never have my XP or W2K boxes crash unless I have driver or overheating problems. Are you doing

Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.theregister.com/2007/02/14/pricey_beta_bugger/ I don't know about the rest of what he says, not having tried it yet, but: Aero looks nearly as good as KDE, although it demands about three times the system resources. That's a ridiculous statement.

Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

http://www.theregister.com/2007/02/14/pricey_beta_bugger/ I don't know about the rest of what he says, not having tried it yet, but: FWIW, I tried it for about 20min in a virtual machine, and I think he was pretty kind. I hated the blasted thing. My limited opinion on it stands that Vista is

Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

Yep, it's pricey - especially in EU compared to US but I suppose that's what we get for busting their balls on the IE thing. The OEM versions are way cheaper but limit you to only ever installing it on one PC. Everyone hated XP when it came out as well, because things had been moved from where

Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

On Feb 14, 2007, at 12:13 PM, Alan Bourke wrote: Everyone hated XP when it came out as well, because things had been moved from where they were in 2000, so that in itself doesn't bother me. I'll keep that quote in mind the next time someone says that Linux will never catch on,

Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

Everyone hated XP when it came out as well, because things had been moved from where they were in 2000, so that in itself doesn't bother me. Many people I know are still on W2K due to what MS did with XP(primarily activation hassles). Vista promises to make even more hassles. Maybe even worse

Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

Ed Leafe wrote: I'll keep that quote in mind the next time someone says that Linux will never catch on, since things aren't in exactly the same place as what they're used to in Windows. That's probably the least of the hurdles facing it on the corporate desktop!

Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

Vista will take a LONG time for mainstream adoption, just as Windows XP did, but I think it'll be even longer this time. I think you're right, as there is much less of a compelling reason to go from XP SP2 to Vista than there was from 2k to XP. I was thinking that when I wrote this

Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

I'll keep that quote in mind the next time someone says that Linux will never catch on, since things aren't in exactly the same place as what they're used to in Windows. That's probably the least of the hurdles facing it on the corporate desktop! The #1 reason, obviously being that

RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be On Feb 14, 2007, at 12:13 PM, Alan Bourke wrote: Everyone hated XP when it came out as well, because things had been moved from where they were in 2000, so that in itself

RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be Everyone hated XP when it came out as well, because things had been moved from where they were in 2000, so that in itself doesn't bother me. Many people I know are still

Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

Derek Kalweit wrote: I'll keep that quote in mind the next time someone says that Linux will never catch on, since things aren't in exactly the same place as what they're used to in Windows. That's probably the least of the hurdles facing it on the corporate desktop! The #1 reason,

RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

those apps. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Derek Kalweit Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be Vista will take a LONG time for mainstream adoption

Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

I was thinking that when I wrote this comment, but it's hard for me to think of any specific reasons XP is better than W2K... Only a few ideas come to mind: o new 'look and feel'/themes o Easy Alternate IP configuration for NIC's(useful for laptops) o ClearType fonts o Better handling

RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.theregister.com/2007/02/14/pricey_beta_bugger/ I don't know about the rest of what he says, not having tried it yet, but: Aero looks nearly as good as KDE, although it demands

Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

Oh, in the Register article Stephen Russell sent to us (see below), did y'all catch the deal where FireFox can't be made the default browser? Very clever. M$ allows other browsers to be used (maybe g), but only IE7 can be the default? Talk about slicing hairs... Technically compliant with

RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Derek Kalweit Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 1:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be I was thinking that when I wrote this comment, but it's hard for me

Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

I've been using LogMeIn for a while now with both free and Pro accounts in addition to TS, VNC and pcAW. If you need remote printing and file transfer, you need the Pro license. Highly recommended although I do prefer pcAW for it's file transfer. Except when it gives me agita... mrgmhale

Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

I agree with all except the multiple monitors, I have multiple monitors on Win2K - no problem. If you have trouble, it is probably due to the driver. You may be able to get an upgrade. Maybe we need a list of reasons for not upgrading: 1. don't have to worry about being forced to load IE7 with

Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

Far superior to the alternatives, in practice, I've found. UltraVNC is more likely to crash my host computer and performs poorly over slow links Check out LogMeIn.com, with their free version. I finally let guilt get the best of me and licesned 5 Pro versions, but I still have almost 30

Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, there's our first look at Vista. It does benefit from a lot of good ideas, many of them Apple's, of course, but good nevertheless. It simply doesn't work very well, unfortunately. There are serious problems with execution; it's not polished; it's not ready. It

RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

Ah-- just remembered the #1 reason to go to WINXP Pro from W2K Pro-- Remote Desktop. Far superior to the alternatives, in practice, I've found. UltraVNC is more likely to crash my host computer and performs poorly over slow links FWIW, I'm using UltraVNC just about daily, including it's

Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

mrgmhale wrote: snipped Now, if M$ were to do as the Blu-Ray (and in decades past VHS vs BetaMax) folks are supposedly doing, and try to edge into the benefits of Vista to the porn industry What advantage would the porn industry have with Vista???!? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software

Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote: Oh, in the Register article Stephen Russell sent to us (see below), did y'all catch the deal where FireFox can't be made the default browser? Very clever. M$ allows other browsers to be used (maybe g), but only IE7 can be the default? Talk about slicing hairs...

RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

For what it's worth, you *can* make FireFox the default browser in Vista. Back in the day, I bought my first Pentium computer (60 Mhz, with 32MB of RAM and a 10GB hard drive --- I thought I'd never need to buy a new computer again). It had Windows 95 preinstalled on it. After using it for two

Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

I agree with all except the multiple monitors, I have multiple monitors on Win2K - no problem. If you have trouble, it is probably due to the driver. You may be able to get an upgrade. I haven't tried multiple monitors on W2K, so it's probably better now, yes. I tried to load a 3rd monitor the

Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

Ah-- just remembered the #1 reason to go to WINXP Pro from W2K Pro-- Remote Desktop. Far superior to the alternatives, in practice, I've found. UltraVNC is more likely to crash my host computer and performs poorly over slow links FWIW, I'm using UltraVNC just about daily, including it's

RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be Oh, in the Register article Stephen Russell sent to us (see below), did y'all catch the deal where FireFox can't be made the default browser? Very clever. M$ allows other browsers to be used (maybe g), but only IE7 can

RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

FWIW, I'm using UltraVNC just about daily, including it's file transfer and chat, for at least a month now. I love it - and especially so because I have no expection they are going to change policy and start charging for it. I use UltraVNC daily. It crashes my one machine sometimes,

RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

in there quietly to drive Vista they would whore themsleves to do so G... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up

RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

, 2007 2:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be For what it's worth, you *can* make FireFox the default browser in Vista. Back in the day, I bought my first Pentium computer (60 Mhz, with 32MB of RAM and a 10GB hard drive --- I thought I'd never need

Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

trouble down the road. Well, will have to take it a machine at a time, and maybe try Remote Desktop again (with a simpler cable modem-router-PC setup) when/if I do run into trouble with UltraVNC on some other machine. A modem-router-router-PC setup should work as long as the outside router

Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

Not knowing your environment, version of PCA, etc., I can't say why you are having such issues. I am running versions on some client PCs as hosts as far back as v-8.0, most are now 10.5-12.5. Yet all work fine with my VPN connections on several of my PCs. I am running v-10 - v-12.5 on my

RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

my first Pentium computer (60 Mhz, with 32MB of RAM and a 10GB hard drive Actually, I think it was an 850MB hard drive. A HUGE increase over the computer it replaced (which had a 10MB hard drive). Ten megabytes --- I thought I'd *never* run out of disk space on that thing... :)

RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

trouble down the road. Well, will have to take it a machine at a time, and maybe try Remote Desktop again (with a simpler cable modem-router-PC setup) when/if I do run into trouble with UltraVNC modem-router-on some other machine. A modem-router-router-PC setup should work as long

Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

mrgmhale wrote: snipped Hmmm, I thought this was a new OS from the ground, devoid of DOS (like XP 2000, eh?), yet the browser seems awfully tied to the OS again... I smell a long dead fish around here. Thoughts? Clarifications? Corrections? Am I being paranoid? It can't be

RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

Pro licenses I have I have not yet used their file transfer solution. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Derek Kalweit Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up

RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

been put in place to protect you from errors the average user would trip over. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derek Kalweit Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up

Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be

Check out LogMeIn.com, with their free version. I finally let guilt get the best of me and licesned 5 Pro versions, but I still have almost 30 PCs running the free version on my account. And, for the record, as slick as LogMeIn is, I still far prefer pcAnyWhere over Remote Desktop, VNC and