Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
It's more stable when compared to my experience with XPSP2. I log 60+ hours a week on the same PC running Vista that used to run XP, and Vista doesn't crash or hang nearly as often. I pretty much never have my XP or W2K boxes crash unless I have driver or overheating problems. Are you doing kernel level development or something? The interface is better; that is less cluttered and a little more intuitive for me to use. I only spent 20 minutes with it, but what was less cluttered or more intuitive about it? I still saw the same minimize/maximize/close buttons at the top of the window, could still move windows around, still had a task bar, still had a start button, etc. I actually found to do some basic things I had to go through MORE screens than with W2K or WXP(such as setup the NIC)... the ability of the OS to 'bounce back' from errors. What does this mean? Like, if an application crashes, I can restore to 5min ago, having the application open with my data so I can copy/paste it out to protect it or maybe not click the button that caused it to crash? I haven't seen this 'bounce back' feature, so I'm curious what it might be in some detail... Are there things I don't like? Sure. The security nags are a joke. Incredibly annoying. Apple has already jumped on this with their newest MAC vs. PC/Vista commercial(go to apple.com and look at the 'security' commercial if you haven't seen it). IE7 is pretty, but not as stable as IE6 or 5.5. IE7 is definitely nicer-- and available with XP. I agree it's not as stable, and I find it's definitely slower and due to the integration of IE with the O/S, it also slows down the overall system noticeably, which is a sad thing, indeed... There's an IE7-look-alike skin for Firefox, BTW. I'm using it here at work on my W2K machine where I can't install IE7. tapped and tamed over time. Give it a chance and I think it will pleasantly surprise you once you peel back the irritations that have been put in place to protect you from errors the average user would trip over. I'm all for 'protecting' the average user, but for power users/administrators, Microsoft needs to let us disable that crap-- such as the security 'craplets' as this guy calls them, which are nothing more than an annoyance. One of my biggest beefs lately with MS, is that they think it's acceptable in W2K3 to set automatic updates 'on' without the option to turn them off, and then auto updates will REBOOT THE COMPUTER without asking, unattended! We have a few servers that require a login session to run a processing application that can't run as a service, and this rebooting will effectively disable our server. The only way to stop this behavior is to DISABLE the 'Automatic Updates' service... Why would they gray out the 'automatic updates' control panel? Why have it at all if you can't control it? -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.theregister.com/2007/02/14/pricey_beta_bugger/ I don't know about the rest of what he says, not having tried it yet, but: Aero looks nearly as good as KDE, although it demands about three times the system resources. That's a ridiculous statement. First, in no way does vanilla KDE look anything like as good as Aero, although you can make it look that good. Secondly, is the comparison of system resources between the fundamentally different Linux and Windows architectures a valid one? I don't think so. What system resources, anyway? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
http://www.theregister.com/2007/02/14/pricey_beta_bugger/ I don't know about the rest of what he says, not having tried it yet, but: FWIW, I tried it for about 20min in a virtual machine, and I think he was pretty kind. I hated the blasted thing. My limited opinion on it stands that Vista is just yet another money-grab by MS, and the outrageous pricing just accents that. -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
Yep, it's pricey - especially in EU compared to US but I suppose that's what we get for busting their balls on the IE thing. The OEM versions are way cheaper but limit you to only ever installing it on one PC. Everyone hated XP when it came out as well, because things had been moved from where they were in 2000, so that in itself doesn't bother me. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
On Feb 14, 2007, at 12:13 PM, Alan Bourke wrote: Everyone hated XP when it came out as well, because things had been moved from where they were in 2000, so that in itself doesn't bother me. I'll keep that quote in mind the next time someone says that Linux will never catch on, since things aren't in exactly the same place as what they're used to in Windows. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
Everyone hated XP when it came out as well, because things had been moved from where they were in 2000, so that in itself doesn't bother me. Many people I know are still on W2K due to what MS did with XP(primarily activation hassles). Vista promises to make even more hassles. Maybe even worse than Windows 2003-- the O/S I've lost the MOST productivity ever to, due to 'security features' that give you absolutely NO CLUE as to how to fix, or even that there is a problem(such as returning 404 errors for every IIS problem instead of a real error-- ANYWHERE). Vista will take a LONG time for mainstream adoption, just as Windows XP did, but I think it'll be even longer this time. -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
Ed Leafe wrote: I'll keep that quote in mind the next time someone says that Linux will never catch on, since things aren't in exactly the same place as what they're used to in Windows. That's probably the least of the hurdles facing it on the corporate desktop! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
Vista will take a LONG time for mainstream adoption, just as Windows XP did, but I think it'll be even longer this time. I think you're right, as there is much less of a compelling reason to go from XP SP2 to Vista than there was from 2k to XP. I was thinking that when I wrote this comment, but it's hard for me to think of any specific reasons XP is better than W2K... Only a few ideas come to mind: o new 'look and feel'/themes o Easy Alternate IP configuration for NIC's(useful for laptops) o ClearType fonts o Better handling of multiple monitors o Able to run IE7(Microsoft's attempt at forcing late adopters from W2K to XP) Quite a lackluster list, honestly... It makes me wonder why I have XP installed at home and want it here at work... -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
I'll keep that quote in mind the next time someone says that Linux will never catch on, since things aren't in exactly the same place as what they're used to in Windows. That's probably the least of the hurdles facing it on the corporate desktop! The #1 reason, obviously being that Linux can't [legally] run Visual Foxpro applications. :-) -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
I'll keep that quote in mind the next time someone says that Linux will never catch on, since things aren't in exactly the same place as what they're used to in Windows. Good shot! Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be On Feb 14, 2007, at 12:13 PM, Alan Bourke wrote: Everyone hated XP when it came out as well, because things had been moved from where they were in 2000, so that in itself doesn't bother me. I'll keep that quote in mind the next time someone says that Linux will never catch on, since things aren't in exactly the same place as what they're used to in Windows. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
Vista will take a LONG time for mainstream adoption, just as Windows XP did, but I think it'll be even longer this time. I think Vista will roll out far faster than we would like. Many PC manufacturers are providing Vista now, unless you want a very expensive business class PC, where you can still get XP for a while. A friend of mine lost his PC the other weekend, had been using XP home (light duty stuff). All he saw for new PCs at the major retail stores is Vista this and Vista that. Some XP Media PCs are still on the market, but they are pretty expensive relative to what his needs are. Now, if M$ were to do as the Blu-Ray (and in decades past VHS vs BetaMax) folks are supposedly doing, and try to edge into the benefits of Vista to the porn industry we are all dead g! Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Derek Kalweit Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be Everyone hated XP when it came out as well, because things had been moved from where they were in 2000, so that in itself doesn't bother me. Many people I know are still on W2K due to what MS did with XP(primarily activation hassles). Vista promises to make even more hassles. Maybe even worse than Windows 2003-- the O/S I've lost the MOST productivity ever to, due to 'security features' that give you absolutely NO CLUE as to how to fix, or even that there is a problem(such as returning 404 errors for every IIS problem instead of a real error-- ANYWHERE). Vista will take a LONG time for mainstream adoption, just as Windows XP did, but I think it'll be even longer this time. -- Derek [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
Derek Kalweit wrote: I'll keep that quote in mind the next time someone says that Linux will never catch on, since things aren't in exactly the same place as what they're used to in Windows. That's probably the least of the hurdles facing it on the corporate desktop! The #1 reason, obviously being that Linux can't [legally] run Visual Foxpro applications. :-) Well, that's not exactly true. MSFT has _no_ problem with running VFP on Linux if you buy a copy of Fox for every end-user. (Well, no more a problem than they have with you running VFP on Windows, ahem...) The place where they're spreading fud is the runtime issue. Whil ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
I was thinking that when I wrote this comment, but it's hard for me to think of any specific reasons XP is better than W2K... Only a few ideas come to mind: I sill run Pro2k on several machines, but on my primary communication PC I do use XP Pro. Largely to be familiar with it for clients questions. I find Win2k has a smaller RAM footprint, runs fast, and is reliable. But at some point it will no longer get the updates (less likely to need them g) we get today. I also run NT4 Server sp6a, Server 2000 and Server 2003, again just to be familiar with them, and how they all interact. That said, here is the one major benefit I find in running XP and Server 2003 over Win2k Pro/Server... For backup software that supports it, these newer OSes have Virtual Shadow-Copy Service (VSS), which allows me to back up files that are open (I use SyncBack, more on that below). On some PCs I use Norton Ghost v-9/10, or Norton Save Restore to automatically burn weekly images of my boot HDD units, and retain the most recent 4 image sets (I limit the target file size to 4.0Gb, not 4.7Gb, as some DVD burning apps can't handle files over 4.0Gb). On my Servers I use r-tt.com's r-DriveImage, $50, and it works great unless you need to boot off the CD and restore to an SATA HDD. For that I use a separate machine to restore an SATA drive as their CD boot loader does not handle SATA, although in run-time under Windows it works fine burning images from SATA HDDs. Back to SyncBack and VSS, a personal license for SyncBack generously covers you for up to 5 PCs. For business use they want a license per PC (I think it is now $30 or $35/license, I have one per PC). To use VSS you must be running XP or 2003 (don't know about Vista), the source HDD must be a local unit, you must be running NTFS format (compressed or not), and VSS must be running as a service (some times it has to be set to run automatically). It is the cat's meow, and certainly makes XP/2003 a viable choice just to make certain I am getting solid backups of my .pst, quicken and quickbooks files as I rarely close those apps. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Derek Kalweit Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be Vista will take a LONG time for mainstream adoption, just as Windows XP did, but I think it'll be even longer this time. I think you're right, as there is much less of a compelling reason to go from XP SP2 to Vista than there was from 2k to XP. I was thinking that when I wrote this comment, but it's hard for me to think of any specific reasons XP is better than W2K... Only a few ideas come to mind: o new 'look and feel'/themes o Easy Alternate IP configuration for NIC's(useful for laptops) o ClearType fonts o Better handling of multiple monitors o Able to run IE7(Microsoft's attempt at forcing late adopters from W2K to XP) Quite a lackluster list, honestly... It makes me wonder why I have XP installed at home and want it here at work... -- Derek [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
I was thinking that when I wrote this comment, but it's hard for me to think of any specific reasons XP is better than W2K... Only a few ideas come to mind: o new 'look and feel'/themes o Easy Alternate IP configuration for NIC's(useful for laptops) o ClearType fonts o Better handling of multiple monitors o Able to run IE7(Microsoft's attempt at forcing late adopters from W2K to XP) Quite a lackluster list, honestly... It makes me wonder why I have XP installed at home and want it here at work... Ah-- just remembered the #1 reason to go to WINXP Pro from W2K Pro-- Remote Desktop. Far superior to the alternatives, in practice, I've found. UltraVNC is more likely to crash my host computer and performs poorly over slow links -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
I don't know about the rest of what he says, not having tried it yet, but: I have been waiting for VPC 2007 to come out of beta (I heard from a colleague this morning it is now released, I have not checked). But an associate of mine went to a M$ sponsored seminar yesterday in Rochester, NY, and called me this morning with all the crapola being positioned as beneficial for all PC users by M$. Several of her questions re: migrating files with security settings from one HDD to another without losing said security settings were pooh-poohed, as were several other questions by she and several other folks amongst the almost 400 attendees. Although the presenters were linguistically polite, she told me the majority of answers were condescending (now, now, little girl, it really is good for you to not get a clear answer as that would involve deep complexities IN A ROOM FULL OF IT PROFESSIONALS!). And the matter of Vista being so protected it will not run without security warnings popping up, hence the practical need to disable said protections, was asked about. The answer was more political than technical, it was never answered, just danced around. For folks with compatibility issues the stock answer was to simply use VPC with an earlier OS (XP, 2000 Pro)! I wish I had gone. So, once I do get VPC 2007, and install Vista Ultimate, and provide 1.5Gb RAM to the VPC session, I will start testing my VFP and ProComm apps. And, if indeed there are issues I will need to see what happens when I compile them in VFP9 (I code in VFP9, but compile in VFP7). If they run okay then I guess I am going to have to force a run-time update from VFP7 to VFP9 on my End Users, or have a Vista and non-Vista version for folks. And, of course, if I can't get VFP compiled versions to run I will need to have my clients use VPC, with the additional RAM of course. Craziness. Oh, in the Register article Stephen Russell sent to us (see below), did y'all catch the deal where FireFox can't be made the default browser? Very clever. M$ allows other browsers to be used (maybe g), but only IE7 can be the default? Talk about slicing hairs... Technically compliant with the DOJ ruling, but virtually neutering FireFox, Opera, etc. from getting a firm displacement foothold in our browsing experience regardless of what the End User wants to use for a default browser. I hope I find this guy is all wrong in his findings, and my one colleague overstated her concerns after attending the M$ Vista seminar. Okay, back to other stuff... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 11:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.theregister.com/2007/02/14/pricey_beta_bugger/ I don't know about the rest of what he says, not having tried it yet, but: Aero looks nearly as good as KDE, although it demands about three times the system resources. That's a ridiculous statement. First, in no way does vanilla KDE look anything like as good as Aero, although you can make it look that good. Secondly, is the comparison of system resources between the fundamentally different Linux and Windows architectures a valid one? I don't think so. What system resources, anyway? [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
Oh, in the Register article Stephen Russell sent to us (see below), did y'all catch the deal where FireFox can't be made the default browser? Very clever. M$ allows other browsers to be used (maybe g), but only IE7 can be the default? Talk about slicing hairs... Technically compliant with the DOJ ruling, but virtually neutering FireFox, Opera, etc. from getting How is that compliant? I'd raise holy hell about that one. Whil ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
Far superior to the alternatives, in practice, I've found. UltraVNC is more likely to crash my host computer and performs poorly over slow links Check out LogMeIn.com, with their free version. I finally let guilt get the best of me and licesned 5 Pro versions, but I still have almost 30 PCs running the free version on my account. And, for the record, as slick as LogMeIn is, I still far prefer pcAnyWhere over Remote Desktop, VNC and even LogMeIn (which I like a lot). I do not use any of these over dialup, but I do have some machinery behind slow DSL or fractional T1 connections. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Derek Kalweit Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 1:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be I was thinking that when I wrote this comment, but it's hard for me to think of any specific reasons XP is better than W2K... Only a few ideas come to mind: o new 'look and feel'/themes o Easy Alternate IP configuration for NIC's(useful for laptops) o ClearType fonts o Better handling of multiple monitors o Able to run IE7(Microsoft's attempt at forcing late adopters from W2K to XP) Quite a lackluster list, honestly... It makes me wonder why I have XP installed at home and want it here at work... Ah-- just remembered the #1 reason to go to WINXP Pro from W2K Pro-- Remote Desktop. Far superior to the alternatives, in practice, I've found. UltraVNC is more likely to crash my host computer and performs poorly over slow links -- Derek [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
I've been using LogMeIn for a while now with both free and Pro accounts in addition to TS, VNC and pcAW. If you need remote printing and file transfer, you need the Pro license. Highly recommended although I do prefer pcAW for it's file transfer. Except when it gives me agita... mrgmhale wrote: Far superior to the alternatives, in practice, I've found. UltraVNC is more likely to crash my host computer and performs poorly over slow links Check out LogMeIn.com, with their free version. I finally let guilt get the best of me and licesned 5 Pro versions, but I still have almost 30 PCs running the free version on my account. And, for the record, as slick as LogMeIn is, I still far prefer pcAnyWhere over Remote Desktop, VNC and even LogMeIn (which I like a lot). I do not use any of these over dialup, but I do have some machinery behind slow DSL or fractional T1 connections. Gil -- Richard Kaye Vice President Artfact/RFC Systems Voice: 617.219.1038 Fax: 617.219.1001 For the fastest response time, please send your support queries to: Technical Support - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Australian Support - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet Support - [EMAIL PROTECTED] All Other Requests - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message has been checked for viruses before sending. - ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
I agree with all except the multiple monitors, I have multiple monitors on Win2K - no problem. If you have trouble, it is probably due to the driver. You may be able to get an upgrade. Maybe we need a list of reasons for not upgrading: 1. don't have to worry about being forced to load IE7 with all the problems it causes. 2. activation - no need to call and be put on hold for 30 minutes when you upgrade your hard drive (stupid!!) 3. No need to hassle with sharing since it works in Win2K as it should and XP never did work. 4. No need to go through the new 'look and feel/themes' Win2K was the last OS from Microsoft that worked pretty well. As far as the remote desktop - there are many alternatives available that work great. I'll bet MS could increase their income by eliminating the activation crap and all the people who take those phone calls. Probably millions per year. I'll bet it costs them more than it produces. All they would have to do is imprint a name with each serial number and not allow it to be changed. Everytime it is installed, that same name would have to be entered. It could all be automated and would save them millions. That way you could upgrade your hard drive without the phone call. A stolen copy would have a certain name/serial number and could be easily blocked automatically. I have been using that with my software since 1982 and I have no trouble with pirated copies. I freely distribute trial versions. When they register, I check some things to ensure it is valid and give them a serial number cannot be used by anyone else without that same name appearing on the screen every time it comes up. If I am told about a pirated copy (1 time in all those years), it is easy to determine who distributed it. Most shareware that I have works that way. No need for activation. I guess that is too simple. MS would rather hassle all their clients - or maybe they are getting bad advice from someone who is making a lot of money from the activation nonsense. On 2/14/07, Derek Kalweit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: o new 'look and feel'/themes o Easy Alternate IP configuration for NIC's(useful for laptops) o ClearType fonts o Better handling of multiple monitors o Able to run IE7(Microsoft's attempt at forcing late adopters from W2K to XP) Ah-- just remembered the #1 reason to go to WINXP Pro from W2K Pro-- Remote Desktop. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
Far superior to the alternatives, in practice, I've found. UltraVNC is more likely to crash my host computer and performs poorly over slow links Check out LogMeIn.com, with their free version. I finally let guilt get the best of me and licesned 5 Pro versions, but I still have almost 30 PCs running the free version on my account. And, for the record, as slick as LogMeIn is, I still far prefer pcAnyWhere over Remote Desktop, VNC and even LogMeIn (which I like a lot). I do not use any of these over dialup, but I do have some machinery behind slow DSL or fractional T1 connections. PC Anywhere? Don't get me started on how many machines their versions crash or simply quirks and PITA's with that... We ship it here standard for our customer's systems, so have 100's of installs that we dial into... Certain versions will completely ruin a W2K install, for one... Total crap. -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, there's our first look at Vista. It does benefit from a lot of good ideas, many of them Apple's, of course, but good nevertheless. It simply doesn't work very well, unfortunately. There are serious problems with execution; it's not polished; it's not ready. It should not be on the market, and certainly not for the outrageous prices being charged. Don't buy it, at least until after the first service pack is out. Don't pay to be a beta tester. ® http://www.theregister.com/2007/02/14/pricey_beta_bugger/ Was channel surfing and saw the Home Shopping channel demoing it on a new Gateway computer (who takes pride in claiming that their support remains US-based, iirc). The hosts were cycling through the active windows (like a rolodex). I wasn't impressed. (BFD--what does *that* do for me?!?!?!??) -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
Ah-- just remembered the #1 reason to go to WINXP Pro from W2K Pro-- Remote Desktop. Far superior to the alternatives, in practice, I've found. UltraVNC is more likely to crash my host computer and performs poorly over slow links FWIW, I'm using UltraVNC just about daily, including it's file transfer and chat, for at least a month now. I love it - and especially so because I have no expection they are going to change policy and start charging for it. Tried Remote Desktop but couldn't get it to work through a modem-router-router setup, which led me to LogMeIn's free offer, which I really liked (who wouldn't s), but was burned when they changed it, so decided to switch to something else that was free and would stay that way. Bill Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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mrgmhale wrote: snipped Now, if M$ were to do as the Blu-Ray (and in decades past VHS vs BetaMax) folks are supposedly doing, and try to edge into the benefits of Vista to the porn industry What advantage would the porn industry have with Vista???!? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote: Oh, in the Register article Stephen Russell sent to us (see below), did y'all catch the deal where FireFox can't be made the default browser? Very clever. M$ allows other browsers to be used (maybe g), but only IE7 can be the default? Talk about slicing hairs... Technically compliant with the DOJ ruling, but virtually neutering FireFox, Opera, etc. from getting How is that compliant? I'd raise holy hell about that one. Whil Ditto...that sounds like something no judge could look the other way oneven the Bushies cronies! lol... -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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For what it's worth, you *can* make FireFox the default browser in Vista. Back in the day, I bought my first Pentium computer (60 Mhz, with 32MB of RAM and a 10GB hard drive --- I thought I'd never need to buy a new computer again). It had Windows 95 preinstalled on it. After using it for two days, I formatted the hard drive and installed Windows 3.1. Because it was better? No. I went back to 3.11 because Windows 95 was too different for me. I knew 3.11, inside and out. Windows 95 slowed me down, so I went back to the OS I knew better. It was also a bit sluggish. Windows 3.11 was blazingly fast on the new Pentium. Eventually I did make the move to Windows 95, and once I got used to it I thought it was the best thing since sliced bread --- until Windows 98 came out. Windows ME? Thank God I missed that train wreck. Windows 2000 was a bit too different for me, but eventually I got used to it as well. Windows XP was the most God-awful thing I'd ever seen the first time I tried it, but it too has grown on me. I installed Vista Business as my primary OS two weeks ago today. The Aero is pretty. The best description I've seen is it's less 'cartoonish' than Windows XP. I've got a decent machine, but it feels sluggish. I tried unzipping a 10MB file, and the progress meter said it would take 29 minutes. I canceled the extraction after 10 minutes. Copying files is remarkably slow as well. Vista, to me, is different. But it's not the radically different experience that Win95 and WinXP were for me. But it is s-l-o-w. Dog-ass slow for a new operating system on a relatively new laptop. It was definitely *not* ready for prime time, and I do feel that early adopters are simply beta testing the OS. So, tonight I'll be redoing the whole thing, back to WinXP Pro as my primary OS and running Vista in VPC2007. I do have a need to test apps on Vista, because sooner or later one of my clients is going to upgrade/buy a new computer, and I'd prefer to 'fix' my Vista-related issues now instead of having the client report the issues to me. I like the 'WOW' factor with some of the graphical changes, but they wear thin rather quickly. Ultimately, my decision to stick with XP is simple: I am more productive with XP/2000/98 than I can be with Vista. Maybe after a service pack or two I'll be ready to try it again. And don't even get me started on the whole DRM thing... :) ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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I agree with all except the multiple monitors, I have multiple monitors on Win2K - no problem. If you have trouble, it is probably due to the driver. You may be able to get an upgrade. I haven't tried multiple monitors on W2K, so it's probably better now, yes. I tried to load a 3rd monitor the other day on WXP and had some problems... I think that was driver-related, though... Maybe we need a list of reasons for not upgrading: That's the easy list to make. #1 would be 'don't fix what ain't broke', but if we did that, innovation of all sorts would stop. 1. don't have to worry about being forced to load IE7 with all the problems it causes. If you disable the auto-update crap, you can get away with not loading IE7. I unloaded it the first time it installed when it caused problems, but I loaded it when I recently re-installed a month or two ago and haven't had problems since-- I just had to get an update for Ultra Edit, as their installer was to blame for it not working properly, I guess... 2. activation - no need to call and be put on hold for 30 minutes when you upgrade your hard drive (stupid!!) Amen. Make that reason #1. 3. No need to hassle with sharing since it works in Win2K as it should and XP never did work. Did you turn off 'simple file sharing'? Simple, my ass. It makes things just not seem to work-- at least for anyone who knows how to share-- maybe those people who have never shared a folder can figure it out... 4. No need to go through the new 'look and feel/themes' I kinda like it. The updated fonts, clear type, 'hot' buttons, etc., all make the O/S just feel better to me. More a familiarity thing, I'm sure... Win2K was the last OS from Microsoft that worked pretty well. My stance until a year or 2 ago when I finally installed Windows XP on my main machine at home. As far as the remote desktop - there are many alternatives available that work great. Not usually as well nor as stable. Definitely not with the same LAN remote-control experience. Using RDP fullscreen over a LAN, you don't even realize you're RDP'd into another machine unless you try to run a video and notice it's a bit sluggish. All the window updates are almost as good as if you were, sound plays locally, colors are high, no screen anamolies, etc... I'll bet MS could increase their income by eliminating the activation crap and all the people who take those phone calls. Probably millions per year. I'll bet it costs them more than it produces. All they would have to do is imprint a name with each serial number and not allow it to be changed. Yep. They were making plenty of money and getting lots of people to upgrade up from Windows 3.1 to W2K, but then a huge segment of people stopped at W2K. They know this, hence their stopping support for W2K, limiting IE7 to WXP+, etc. Everytime it is installed, that same name would have to be entered. It could all be automated and would save them millions. That way you could upgrade your hard drive without the phone call. A stolen copy would have a certain name/serial number and could be easily blocked automatically. I have been using that with my software since 1982 and I have no trouble with pirated copies. I freely distribute trial versions. When they register, I check some things to ensure it is valid and give them a serial number cannot be used by anyone else without that same name appearing on the screen every time it comes up. If I am told about a pirated copy (1 time in all those years), it is easy to determine who distributed it. Most shareware that I have works that way. No need for activation. I guess that is too simple. MS would rather hassle all their clients - or maybe they are getting bad advice from someone who is making a lot of money from the activation nonsense. Retail software is sold in such a way you don't have customer information usually... -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
Ah-- just remembered the #1 reason to go to WINXP Pro from W2K Pro-- Remote Desktop. Far superior to the alternatives, in practice, I've found. UltraVNC is more likely to crash my host computer and performs poorly over slow links FWIW, I'm using UltraVNC just about daily, including it's file transfer and chat, for at least a month now. I love it - and especially so because I have no expection they are going to change policy and start charging for it. I use UltraVNC daily. It crashes my one machine sometimes, and the others the screen sometimes doesn't update, etc. Usable, and my alternative on W2K, but I still don't like it that much.. Tried Remote Desktop but couldn't get it to work through a modem-router-router setup, which led me to LogMeIn's free offer, which I really liked (who wouldn't s), but was burned when they changed it, so decided to switch to something else that was free and would stay that way. I refuse to pay extra for something that should be part of the O/S to begin with. Forwarding port 3389 always works for me, btw. -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
How is that compliant? I'd raise holy hell about that one. Seems to me DOJ required M$ to separate IE from the core OS, which M$ said could not be done without causing serious problems, rendering Windows inoperable. Along the way DOJ paved the way to require M$ to not prohibit competitive browsers from running under Windows. But I do not recall anything that required M$ to allow other browsers to run as default apps when a user wanted to have a browser come up. My gut tells me M$ allowed that for a while to keep the heat off, and now that some time has passed is making a play for default IE7, likely under the it is too tightly tied to the Windows OS to separate it claim - yet allowing other browsers to run (maybe properly if they comply with M$'s security policies g). Hmmm, I thought this was a new OS from the ground, devoid of DOS (like XP 2000, eh?), yet the browser seems awfully tied to the OS again... I smell a long dead fish around here. Thoughts? Clarifications? Corrections? Am I being paranoid? Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Whil Hentzen (Pro*) Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be Oh, in the Register article Stephen Russell sent to us (see below), did y'all catch the deal where FireFox can't be made the default browser? Very clever. M$ allows other browsers to be used (maybe g), but only IE7 can be the default? Talk about slicing hairs... Technically compliant with the DOJ ruling, but virtually neutering FireFox, Opera, etc. from getting How is that compliant? I'd raise holy hell about that one. Whil [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
FWIW, I'm using UltraVNC just about daily, including it's file transfer and chat, for at least a month now. I love it - and especially so because I have no expection they are going to change policy and start charging for it. I use UltraVNC daily. It crashes my one machine sometimes, and the others the screen sometimes doesn't update, etc. Usable, and my alternative on W2K, but I still don't like it that much.. Guess I've been lucky so far, with these particular machines (with XP/Pro on both ends), and should take this as a heads-up there can be trouble down the road. Well, will have to take it a machine at a time, and maybe try Remote Desktop again (with a simpler cable modem-router-PC setup) when/if I do run into trouble with UltraVNC on some other machine. Tried Remote Desktop but couldn't get it to work through a modem-router-router setup, which led me to LogMeIn's free offer, modem-router-which I really liked (who wouldn't s), but was burned when they changed it, so decided to switch to something else that was free and would stay that way. I refuse to pay extra for something that should be part of the O/S to begin with. That's what I meant s. It's the recurring monthly bills that get me going to great lengths to avoid. Forwarding port 3389 always works for me, btw. Sounds like a good thing to know, so will make a note of this port in my doc. Without checking, I think I'm setup with 5800 or 5900, whichever is the default. Bill Derek [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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What advantage would the porn industry have with Vista???!? Uhhh,, h, sharper images? More detail with all that extra video RAM? A slicker experience for their viewers? I was kind of spoofing anyway, tongue in cheek with that crack. But, I bet if M$ could find some way to horn in there quietly to drive Vista they would whore themsleves to do so G... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be mrgmhale wrote: snipped Now, if M$ were to do as the Blu-Ray (and in decades past VHS vs BetaMax) folks are supposedly doing, and try to edge into the benefits of Vista to the porn industry What advantage would the porn industry have with Vista???!? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
For what it's worth, you *can* make FireFox the default browser in Vista. Glad to hear it. The author of the article I cited was then incorrect, and I had already qualified that I have not used it myself - therefore was relying on what seemed to be accurate info (but even that author was careful to position himself as not knowing all about Vista as well). Shame, it is one less thing to bitch about. But there are plenty of other things I think g... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Ragsdale Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be For what it's worth, you *can* make FireFox the default browser in Vista. Back in the day, I bought my first Pentium computer (60 Mhz, with 32MB of RAM and a 10GB hard drive --- I thought I'd never need to buy a new computer again). It had Windows 95 preinstalled on it. After using it for two days, I formatted the hard drive and installed Windows 3.1. Because it was better? No. I went back to 3.11 because Windows 95 was too different for me. I knew 3.11, inside and out. Windows 95 slowed me down, so I went back to the OS I knew better. It was also a bit sluggish. Windows 3.11 was blazingly fast on the new Pentium. Eventually I did make the move to Windows 95, and once I got used to it I thought it was the best thing since sliced bread --- until Windows 98 came out. Windows ME? Thank God I missed that train wreck. Windows 2000 was a bit too different for me, but eventually I got used to it as well. Windows XP was the most God-awful thing I'd ever seen the first time I tried it, but it too has grown on me. I installed Vista Business as my primary OS two weeks ago today. The Aero is pretty. The best description I've seen is it's less 'cartoonish' than Windows XP. I've got a decent machine, but it feels sluggish. I tried unzipping a 10MB file, and the progress meter said it would take 29 minutes. I canceled the extraction after 10 minutes. Copying files is remarkably slow as well. Vista, to me, is different. But it's not the radically different experience that Win95 and WinXP were for me. But it is s-l-o-w. Dog-ass slow for a new operating system on a relatively new laptop. It was definitely *not* ready for prime time, and I do feel that early adopters are simply beta testing the OS. So, tonight I'll be redoing the whole thing, back to WinXP Pro as my primary OS and running Vista in VPC2007. I do have a need to test apps on Vista, because sooner or later one of my clients is going to upgrade/buy a new computer, and I'd prefer to 'fix' my Vista-related issues now instead of having the client report the issues to me. I like the 'WOW' factor with some of the graphical changes, but they wear thin rather quickly. Ultimately, my decision to stick with XP is simple: I am more productive with XP/2000/98 than I can be with Vista. Maybe after a service pack or two I'll be ready to try it again. And don't even get me started on the whole DRM thing... :) [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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trouble down the road. Well, will have to take it a machine at a time, and maybe try Remote Desktop again (with a simpler cable modem-router-PC setup) when/if I do run into trouble with UltraVNC on some other machine. A modem-router-router-PC setup should work as long as the outside router points at the inside router's wan IP and that inside router points to the inside PC... Why would you have two routers hooked up like that? I refuse to pay extra for something that should be part of the O/S to begin with. That's what I meant s. It's the recurring monthly bills that get me going to great lengths to avoid. Yep. I don't care for 'subscription' model anything, and avoid it whenever possible. Forwarding port 3389 always works for me, btw. Sounds like a good thing to know, so will make a note of this port in my doc. Without checking, I think I'm setup with 5800 or 5900, whichever is the default. 5900 is the default for VNC. -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Not knowing your environment, version of PCA, etc., I can't say why you are having such issues. I am running versions on some client PCs as hosts as far back as v-8.0, most are now 10.5-12.5. Yet all work fine with my VPN connections on several of my PCs. I am running v-10 - v-12.5 on my various machines. I never have a problem. If I recall for Win2k you must have v-10.0 or later. For XP I think it is v-10.5 0r 11.0 or later. But I am certain you already know this, therefore the problems lay elsewhere... I'm a developer with supports guys. I had to install PCA once, and I guess I installed a version on W2K that made it crash-- no message saying it was incompatible, etc.-- just breakage... Not at all acceptable, IMO. That said, I know that PayChex Windows version craps out if pcAnywhere v-10.5 or earlier is installed and in Host Mode on a PC running PayChex. I am not certain who between them is causing the problem. But by simply moving that client to v-10.0 to v-12.0 the problem went away with both pcAnywhere and PayChex. Conflicts happen. It is a shame it is impacting you so badly. A viable alternative is likely a good move, but that does not make pcAnywhere a poor product. It doesn't personally impact me that badly, as I avoid the crap. :) There's just no need for it when free, better alternatives exist... -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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my first Pentium computer (60 Mhz, with 32MB of RAM and a 10GB hard drive Actually, I think it was an 850MB hard drive. A HUGE increase over the computer it replaced (which had a 10MB hard drive). Ten megabytes --- I thought I'd *never* run out of disk space on that thing... :) ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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trouble down the road. Well, will have to take it a machine at a time, and maybe try Remote Desktop again (with a simpler cable modem-router-PC setup) when/if I do run into trouble with UltraVNC modem-router-on some other machine. A modem-router-router-PC setup should work as long as the outside router points at the inside router's wan IP and that inside router points to the inside PC... Why would you have two routers hooked up like that? DSL modem and router 1 were in an attached house with long RJ45 wire to router 2 in separate apt. Access was a pain, and I don't recall all the details, but there was some gotcha involved. I am pretty sure that I did try setting it up as you say, as that's how I generally understand it. Oh well, simpler cable-router setup now. Bill I refuse to pay extra for something that should be part of the O/S to begin with. That's what I meant s. It's the recurring monthly bills that get me going to great lengths to avoid. Yep. I don't care for 'subscription' model anything, and avoid it whenever possible. Forwarding port 3389 always works for me, btw. Sounds like a good thing to know, so will make a note of this port in my doc. Without checking, I think I'm setup with 5800 or 5900, whichever is the default. 5900 is the default for VNC. -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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mrgmhale wrote: snipped Hmmm, I thought this was a new OS from the ground, devoid of DOS (like XP 2000, eh?), yet the browser seems awfully tied to the OS again... I smell a long dead fish around here. Thoughts? Clarifications? Corrections? Am I being paranoid? It can't be totally from scratch...it's gotta be old code mixed inaccording to what I heard...because to start from scratch would take MANY MORE YEARS than they already took, costing much more and obviously more bug prone if not tried/true/tested for years. Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
I'm a developer with supports guys. I had to install PCA once, and I guess I installed a version on W2K that made it crash-- no message saying it was incompatible, etc.-- just breakage... Not at all acceptable, IMO. I learned the hard way with a Win2k Pro machine as well, tried to install 9.5 I think. No warning, crash/trash. I went into Safe Mode, uninstalled and picked up v-10.0. I installed fine, I ducked a major bullet. Re: free alternatives, agreed that if they exist and work well, use them. LogMeIn.com has been awesome. I use my ftp Server for file transfers. For the few Pro licenses I have I have not yet used their file transfer solution. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Derek Kalweit Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be Not knowing your environment, version of PCA, etc., I can't say why you are having such issues. I am running versions on some client PCs as hosts as far back as v-8.0, most are now 10.5-12.5. Yet all work fine with my VPN connections on several of my PCs. I am running v-10 - v-12.5 on my various machines. I never have a problem. If I recall for Win2k you must have v-10.0 or later. For XP I think it is v-10.5 0r 11.0 or later. But I am certain you already know this, therefore the problems lay elsewhere... I'm a developer with supports guys. I had to install PCA once, and I guess I installed a version on W2K that made it crash-- no message saying it was incompatible, etc.-- just breakage... Not at all acceptable, IMO. That said, I know that PayChex Windows version craps out if pcAnywhere v-10.5 or earlier is installed and in Host Mode on a PC running PayChex. I am not certain who between them is causing the problem. But by simply moving that client to v-10.0 to v-12.0 the problem went away with both pcAnywhere and PayChex. Conflicts happen. It is a shame it is impacting you so badly. A viable alternative is likely a good move, but that does not make pcAnywhere a poor product. It doesn't personally impact me that badly, as I avoid the crap. :) There's just no need for it when free, better alternatives exist... -- Derek [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
I actually like Vista. Here's why: It's more stable when compared to my experience with XPSP2. I log 60+ hours a week on the same PC running Vista that used to run XP, and Vista doesn't crash or hang nearly as often. The interface is better; that is less cluttered and a little more intuitive for me to use. I really like some of the newer things in Vista ... The automatic backups, the expanded msconfig, the ability of the OS to 'bounce back' from errors. Nice. Are there things I don't like? Sure. The security nags are a joke. IE7 is pretty, but not as stable as IE6 or 5.5. There are some lingering driver issues out there where things work, but not as well as they should. But overall I think there is a lot of undiscovered power in the OS that will be tapped and tamed over time. Give it a chance and I think it will pleasantly surprise you once you peel back the irritations that have been put in place to protect you from errors the average user would trip over. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derek Kalweit Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be I'll keep that quote in mind the next time someone says that Linux will never catch on, since things aren't in exactly the same place as what they're used to in Windows. That's probably the least of the hurdles facing it on the corporate desktop! The #1 reason, obviously being that Linux can't [legally] run Visual Foxpro applications. :-) -- Derek [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Vista, all it's CRAPPED up to be
Check out LogMeIn.com, with their free version. I finally let guilt get the best of me and licesned 5 Pro versions, but I still have almost 30 PCs running the free version on my account. And, for the record, as slick as LogMeIn is, I still far prefer pcAnyWhere over Remote Desktop, VNC and even LogMeIn (which I like a lot). I have been using LogMeIn too. It is very fast. My only complaint is that it does not come with a chat panel. I have to use a telephone to give directions. Unless I missed something and did not find it. I also allows you to reboot the PC remotely and select a Windows Log in name remotely. It starts up and makes an Internet connection before users are started. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
