Re: [PEDA] Divdide and conquer: a lib. for everyone

2001-07-26 Thread Andrew J Jenkins

Re: [PEDA] Divide and conquer: a lib. for everyone

2001-07-26 Thread bdm
Greetings Folks, I would like to thank Ted for his kind offer. I think that there are more like me who would rather take cover from the bad vibes echoing in the PEDA at present. Maybe we remind ourselves what is the purpose of this group. Thanking all for the information that I have got out

Re: [PEDA] Divide and conquer:

2001-07-26 Thread Mike Reagan
I find the personal remarks rather amusing. It helps me get thru the day. It becomes my daily dose of Dilbert office polictics. Mike Reagan * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: *

[PEDA] Default text size for Autoplacer

2001-07-26 Thread Tim Hutcheson
Can anyone tell me how to change the default text height, line-width, etc., that the autoplacer uses when loading components to the PCB from the Load Nets option? It doesn't seem to use the same values stored for the component primitives. The primitives definitions seem to work fine for

Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone

2001-07-26 Thread Brian Guralnick
For validation, on the PCB side, I used to place a 'scanned version' in a translucent state, of the part over the footprint. I've been able to find and correct many footprint problems in advance using this technique. If such an ability was built into Protel a copy of the scan was kept with

Re: [PEDA] Default text size for Autoplacer

2001-07-26 Thread Brad Marshall
That is a good question. I haven't been able to figure it out either. I've resorted to just using the heck out of the global change feature. Brad Tim Hutcheson wrote: Can anyone tell me how to change the default text height, line-width, etc., that the autoplacer uses when loading components

Re: [PEDA] EMC question

2001-07-26 Thread Cliff Lawrence
ensure that the xtal and its associated decoupling caps are as close as possible to the processor clock pins. Put ground planes around it on top /bottom layers and locally stitch top / bottom planes with as many vias as you can fit in (I tend to use 1mm via / 0.5mm hole for this) You may also

Re: [PEDA] EMC question

2001-07-26 Thread Brad Marshall
What I do is lay a ground (polygon plane) plane directly underneath the crystal and surrounding components. This plane is additional to the ground plane on the internal layer. So the polygon is on the same layer as the component. Also, very close placement to the processor on the same side,

Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone

2001-07-26 Thread Andrew J Jenkins

Re: [PEDA] EMC question

2001-07-26 Thread Brian Guralnick
Make sure that the ground side of the decoupling caps for the crystal go straight to the GND of the processor with as thick a trace as possible. Preferably a polygon fill throughout the processor crystal area. If you are using just a normal trace here, believe it or not, you may have

Re: [PEDA] DSN write limit

2001-07-26 Thread Andrew J Jenkins
On 08:35 AM 7/26/2001 -0400, Mike Reagan wrote: Does anyone know if 99SE has some upper limit to the size file it can export to dsn? I don't personally, but... At a guess, Ian Wilson, Geoff Harland, or Protel CSC are the parties who can best answer your question. I forwarded the query to

[PEDA] ClientBasic footprint generator.

2001-07-26 Thread Brian Guralnick
That's it, I will now make a ClientBasic program which will create perfect footprints based on the measurements which are actually in the data sheets. It will create dual quad flat packs. I need to know who's IC package data sheets would be best to work with as reference. Does ClientBasic

Re: [PEDA] DSN write limit

2001-07-26 Thread Mike Reagan
What does your operating environment look like when you encounter the problem? Thanks AJ, Good point. I somehow suspected that the dsn file might be trying to use MS notepad or write and that may be what is clobbering the dsn file. Both which have size limitations Mike Reagan EDSI Frederick

Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone

2001-07-26 Thread Dennis Saputelli
i would agree with steve's comments here sometime i have spent longer looking for a footprint than it would take to make one (simple ones only that is) also it is true that they can and sometimes should be slanted to the project at hand sch parts, however, don't strike me as being hard at all

[PEDA] MS Word and MS Excel setup

2001-07-26 Thread Jeff Adolphs
Hello Protel Debaters (just kidding), Does anyone know how to setup MS Word as the text editor and MS Excel for .cvs files? Is it worth it or should I just export the files and then open them in Word and Excel. I like the print preview, etc. of Word and I like Excel for BOMs (easier to sort,

Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone

2001-07-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:06 PM 7/26/01 -0400, chris mackensen wrote: because cadence's files are all OPEN and TEXT based and NOT ENCAPSULATED in a DATABASE (and NOT BINARY), it was a matter of my perl script just parsing Excel sheets of pin data (automatically saved as text files over the web) and generating the

Re: [PEDA] Divdide and conquer: a lib. for everyone

2001-07-26 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
WOW! What a melee! I am Pentium of Borg. Division is futile. You will be approximated. (origin unknown) Is this approximating a constructive process? If so, it's off by several orders of magnitude. Seriously, I cast my vote (if I have one) for the following: 1) website-hosted

Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone

2001-07-26 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
It should be noted that the Protel ASCII format is not only text based, but it is self-documenting. All the records and fields are named wherever they occur. The library format is binary only, but one could import parts to a PCB file and then create a library from the PCB file. True, but I

Re: [PEDA] ASCII Format

2001-07-26 Thread Colin Weber
I believe CDs only have a finite life also. Does anyone know how long? PS: Ivan, what was the sci fi book :-)? Colin Weber Varian Australia P/L At 05:14 PM 26/07/2001 -0400, you wrote: It should be noted that the Protel ASCII format is not only text based, but it is self-documenting. All

Re: [PEDA] EMC question

2001-07-26 Thread Fabian Hartery
Jon has many good points on Greg's problem. After the fact, what one presumes as square waves is not often the case since edges are never perfectly square. I have seen so called linear RF amps produce -30 dBc and -10 dBc second and third order products in my time. EMI is a real problem when

Re: [PEDA] ASCII Format

2001-07-26 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
I believe CDs only have a finite life also. Does anyone know how long? The number I have heard mentioned is 10-20 years for writable optical media, and 50-100 years for stamped optical media. Of course, no one knows for sure because these technologies aren't that old yet. But for magnetic

Re: [PEDA] ClientBasic footprint generator.

2001-07-26 Thread Clive . Broome
Try Anam Amkor, a company which sources a lot of package types to manufacturers. http://www.amkor.com/products/ProductFamilies.cfm ___ Clive Broome IDT Sydney Design CentrePh: +61 2 9763 3513 8 Bayswater Dr,

Re: [PEDA] ClientBasic footprint generator.

2001-07-26 Thread Brian Guralnick
I looked at their data sheets. They do not include mechanical drawings. I'm thinking I'll works with the mechanical data sheets from Altera, Micron, Sharp, National. The goal is to make a script, or wizard which will take the few important measurements from the data sheets mechanical section,

Re: [PEDA] ClientBasic footprint generator.

2001-07-26 Thread Tim Hutcheson
I've also noticed that after building relatively complex footprints, such as ball escapes for BGA devices with the escape track routing added and modified over time, when I drag these parts around I notice little bits of copper from tracks that no longer seem to be part of the library part!!! So

Re: [PEDA] ClientBasic footprint generator.

2001-07-26 Thread Geoff Harland
I've also noticed that after building relatively complex footprints, such as ball escapes for BGA devices with the escape track routing added and modified over time, when I drag these parts around I notice little bits of copper from tracks that no longer seem to be part of the library part!!!

Re: [PEDA] SCH Delays

2001-07-26 Thread John Haddy
Check that the template you're using doesn't contain references to bitmaps that are on a slow network! I ran into this problem when I was last in the USA - I had a local copy of my design database, however the template included a bitmap of the company logo which was referenced directly back to

Re: [PEDA] Divdide and conquer: a lib. for everyone

2001-07-26 Thread Brad Shea
I agree, especially with point 2 Brad Brad Shea Senior PCB Designer PowerSearch Ltd 121 Ewing St Welshpool WA 6106 Australia email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (08) 9358 3633 Fax: (08) 9358 3644