Re: [PEDA] 2004 Global edits
Yes, it's weak in some areas but in other areas there have been great improvements. For example the ECO process now allows me to remove an entire set of commands which was never before possible in 99SE. I will often add pads to ground, usually mounting tabs for potentiometers, and they aren't part of the normal schematic or netlist. In 99SE, it naturally wanted to remove these and I had to click on every one to remove it. (I think they called them macros in the update design dialog) Now in 2004, I can right click on one of them and choose Disable all of same kind which is fantastic!!! Also the entire ECO dialog is bigger with more info and more readable. It's a little thing, but it save ME time. -Original Message- From: edsi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 6:17 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 Global edits Tony wrote Maybe Altium could implement a few more global dialog boxes for us to have high level, quick functionality like the T,I,P box. (Component Text Position is what it's really called) Tony I agree and more.. the inspector panel is better than the first DXP release but is far from polished For example if you select a few random components and look at the inspector, it shows in blue NAME and Component Comment. If you accidently click on either one of these two it goes wacky and arbitrarily picks one component. If you click on somewhere in the panel it toggles between reading the words NAME and component . Both are the same word as REF designator. Which by the way is the correct name and never used. It's just illogical behavior. What is the meaning of this? We had a President here in the USA that tried to parse the word isIs Altium parsing the word NAME? It has a wacky, non logical feel to it. Off topic Can anyone tell me what the other silly choices ie Standard, mechanical, graphical, NET TIE have to do with my component? It looks like another PCAD migration. What is it? These options are in the inspector. I am starting another PCB board thank you, This is the second board that 0603 components will not import without the library being opened. I experienced this before wanted to confirm the problem was not me. I am convinced there are now two bugs with loading netlists. In case Y'all didn't notice, in 99SE components which began with zero like 0805 and 0603 would sometimes shorten by dropping the leading zero's. It didn't happen all of the time but I know how to reproduce it.I think there might be something related to the dropping the leading zero. There are a few other problems with netlist loading. Including two things that must be applied. Dont you hate to install Bill Gate's crap and all the questions are hit any key to continue otherwise it is Good Gye. Just freaking finish the install, we already established I what I want to do. Loading a netlist requires you to always check this same little box ADVANCED MODE. Then it always asks the same silly question.. do you want match the reference numbers?. WAIT did I say reference numbers, this the first place 2004 uses the word REF Number then it never uses it again. This part was programmed by a subcontractor . I am sure of that. The most annoying part of the netlist load is the poor report. It fails to give you a comprehensive report of what does not get loaded. The report only contains ref designators and the word NO ACTION. No kidding , I know it was no action. A comprehensive report with part information (starting with footprint) would help me find out exactly what went wrong. So tonight I have two pages of reference numbers that I am manually writing next to them, my footprints. Oh how cool, I am using a Pencil for something that was automatic in every version up to DXP. I hope Altium still feels that PCB is part of their long term plan, The package has alot to offer, There are things I am dying to try out but PCB is taking up more time because the ball was dropped on a few things including loading netlist. So I am spending time learning to use my pencil instead of using the advanced features. If you u haven't tried the Autorouter, Don't . It still doesn't work. I have baselined a BGA design with 2000 components against 2004, Spectra and ConnectEDA, Electra. 2004 sputtered for 2 hours and on the the third hour crashed. That is really sad. They should take the router off this product and not even offer it for sale. Mike Reagan EDSI * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: *
Re: [PEDA] A DXP annotation feature?
I'm using XP and 99SE and it works fine... I don't use DXP myself but a coworker here has no choice since 99SE won't work on WinXP. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Component Type (Ex:2004 Global edits)
Ian Schematic: Where are you working? I want to come work for you. I work with engineers that give me pdf schematics from Orcad, Viewlogic, Mentor, etc. So a netlists are a must for pcb design services.I don't sweep floors, make copies, or correct your schematic for errors but I do use the netlist to trouble shoot problems. At the company that I work for, and does use Protel the engineers don't use Protel all the same way.In fact no two companies are capture schematic the same way. I wish it were different but this my real world.The engineers I work with use Protel and Orcad as a drawing tool. Heck, I had one client that just found out he could auto annotate instead of manually changing ref numbers. Should have seen his face when I showed him that trick. Now I get schematics from him with parts re-annotated on every revision.Should see my face when he did that. Netlist Import / Load / compare or whatever it is called now The knowledge base is out of date and does not reflect 2004 changes. With 2004 you do not have to create projects etc to load the netlist.Score one for complaining. Report: for netlist All the report needs is more information ie footprint and part type added to it. Actually, I would like to see a summary of common components instead of an itemized list, but that is my preference. And get rid of those redundant worthless boxes that need checked to continue, DXP forum: I figure if you are reading this and responding, then my I am being heard. You seem to have some good connections. You are a pretty shape dude with a good feel for the future of this stuff. Unfortunately, not every engineer is ready to use all of this capability. Just mention configuration control and management to most engineers and you will get tossed out like a salad . I work with small companies, and some very large ones. You might be surprized how primative the design world is ...for example simulation Component type: I would be willing to quiz every engineer I have worked with for the past 30 years and 99 percent would not be able to correcty answer a definition of Standard, mechanical, graphical, NET TIE, etc. Nor would they care or even use it even if they could Mike -- Original Message -- From: Ian Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 12:35:45 +1000 Off topic Can anyone tell me what the other silly choices ie Standard, mechanical, graphical, NET TIE have to do with my component? It looks like another PCAD migration. What is it? These options are in the inspector. The help gives pretty detailed info on the component type property. I don't know about being silly - users have been asking for these choices for a *long* time - they are one of the good changes brought in with DXP. Again - the DXP forum has discussed these and the recent important additional option - Standard (No BOM). I was one of the people hassling to get your silly property. Many of us like having the option of controlling our parts lists/BOMs direct from the Sch. Silly for you is important for others. Try double clicking on a component in Sch and then using the little question mark on the top right of the component properties dialog to get help on things you don't know. Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Antenna coil
Sorry, that should be 41 turns using .10 for coil length when using mag wire. Changing to .032 for coil length (PCB) has little effect. John Echols * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Antenna coil
you may try to design a spiral inductor instead . Download the free software called Appcad (from Agilent) , it has spiral inductors design. Play some what if scenarios with it and you'll see if you can do it one way or another, with and without vias . Best Regards, Matt Tudor , MSEE - Original Message - From: John C. Echols [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 3:32 PM Subject: [PEDA] Antenna coil I'm the guy still using Protel 1.61 (1992) with Windows 3.11 and I'm on a phone linenow that you're through laughing my question is - my present project requires a coil for an antenna for a prox card reader. The coil is about 3.25 X 4.25, 700uHy and takes 60 turns of mag wire. Can I do this with traces? The easiest would be 30 turns on one side and one via to do 30 on the back. I'd probably go .004/.004 so it's not too hard for the board house and would only take .24 width of board space. Will this work or is the spacing too big? Or do I need to do one turn on top, the next on bottom, next on top, etc? All the vias would take up too much room. Thanks for the help. John Echols * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Antenna coil
I'm the guy still using Protel 1.61 (1992) with Windows 3.11 and I'm on a phone linenow that you're through laughing my question is - my Look on the bright side - the new virii and worms that plague today's systems probably won't affect your old system. Most of the vulnerabilities they exploit don't exist in those older systems. Still using a 486? :-) Although I mostly use 99SE, I still keep a functioning install of Protel 2.8 on a Win95 machine when I want to do pin swapping. That's on a circa 1996 Dell 200 MHz P1. When you test your PCB antenna loop, please let us know how it works out. I've also heard of this being done using E-core magnetics to make power transformers in switchers, sandwiching the PCB inbetween the 2 core halves. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: John C. Echols [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 3:32 PM Subject: [PEDA] Antenna coil I'm the guy still using Protel 1.61 (1992) with Windows 3.11 and I'm on a phone linenow that you're through laughing my question is - my present project requires a coil for an antenna for a prox card reader. The coil is about 3.25 X 4.25, 700uHy and takes 60 turns of mag wire. Can I do this with traces? The easiest would be 30 turns on one side and one via to do 30 on the back. I'd probably go .004/.004 so it's not too hard for the board house and would only take .24 width of board space. Will this work or is the spacing too big? Or do I need to do one turn on top, the next on bottom, next on top, etc? All the vias would take up too much room. Thanks for the help. John Echols * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Antenna coil
For spirals you could try Brians script as well for drafting after doin 'what ifs' in the other application. http://www.proteluser.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=17 John -Original Message- From: matt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 10:18 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Antenna coil you may try to design a spiral inductor instead . Download the free software called Appcad (from Agilent) , it has spiral inductors design. Play some what if scenarios with it and you'll see if you can do it one way or another, with and without vias . Best Regards, Matt Tudor , MSEE - Original Message - From: John C. Echols [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 3:32 PM Subject: [PEDA] Antenna coil I'm the guy still using Protel 1.61 (1992) with Windows 3.11 and I'm on a phone linenow that you're through laughing my question is - my present project requires a coil for an antenna for a prox card reader. The coil is about 3.25 X 4.25, 700uHy and takes 60 turns of mag wire. Can I do this with traces? The easiest would be 30 turns on one side and one via to do 30 on the back. I'd probably go .004/.004 so it's not too hard for the board house and would only take .24 width of board space. Will this work or is the spacing too big? Or do I need to do one turn on top, the next on bottom, next on top, etc? All the vias would take up too much room. Thanks for the help. John Echols * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 2004 Global edits
Ian, Yes thanks I realize that with DXP, I was just trying to relay the fact that just by block selecting a bunch of stuff in other systems it was much easier to change stuff global, when you right clicked you bring up an attribute menu, there was nothing else to do. The attribute menu had all the items of the selected stuff that could be changed, you entered it, and that was that. Here it really seems like there is too many hits to make a global change to anything. I to agree with the confusion of what to do other than enter to commit the change, I think if you click in blank space withing the inspector menu it will also take. Bob Wolfe - Original Message - From: Ian Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 Global edits On 02:36 AM 28/03/2004, Robert M. Wolfe said: Ian stated, I have been asking Altium to make this sort of edit easier. If you have just components selected you will see in the Inspector that the Name and Component Comment fields are hyperlinks. I think that when you click on one of these hyperlinks you should be able to edit those attributes on all selected components (in effect this would cause the selection to drill down across all the selected components). However, currently the system will only edit the attribute of one of the components (after drilling down). Ian, I don't remember this coming up but BOY would that be outstanding to be able to do what you state above. Form the very first time using 99SE and now DXP that has been a very big complaint of mine too. I thingk I mentioned it to feedback and maybe way back on the PEDA forum. But this exact item I feel vey strong about. I too have struggled with the fact that you have a bunch of things selected, you bring up a menu, there are common items on this menu, you want to change the one thing on all the selected parts. Your right you should be able to change that same item for all the selected parts right there and not have to jump through a few more hoops. Bob, This is how the Inspector works - select stuff, all the properties that are common to all the selected objects are shown, edit any one of these properties and hit enter or click elsewhere on the Inspector to commit and then all the selected objects get changed. The Inspector allows you to change the properties of selected objects. The only thing that causes confusion, in my experience, is that to commit the change you have to click in another field in Inspector or hit the Enter button. Making a change in the Inspector panel and then clicking back in the workspace will not change the property. I am not sure I like this, I wonder if clicking back in the workspace should also cause the commit to occur. There has been a request for an Apply button on the Inspector. I'll take that one step further in that I was very used to CAD systems that say a have a whole bunch of traces selected. All I needed to do then was right click to get a properties dialog up and if I changed trace width right there I just changed the trace width for all traces selected. Didn't have to take 3 or more steps to accomplish this. Again - this is how the Inspector does, and always has worked. It was like this in the beginning of DXP - apart from the right click, in DXP/P2004 you either have the Inspector open all the time or use the F11 key to pop it up (or click or hover over a button). My issue is something very specific to do with components and how they have child properties (the size, width, position etc of the designators for instance) - these properties (of child objects) are *not* considered part of the component. As such they are not shown in Inspector when you select just components. However, the Inspector does recognize that child objects exist in the current selection and shows the *name* of the attribute in the Inspector in a blue underlined hyperlink fashion. Clicking on this hyperlink allows you to drill down to get the properties of the underlying child object (so you can change the width or hide status of a designator for example). The problem is that this, currently, only affects one of the components you have selected (the first or last I guess - I have never checked). I would prefer this drilling down, within Inspector, to child objects to affect all selected objects. There are ways of dealing with this problem (using IsComponentSelected as part of a query for example) but I think the program would work better if we could have the subtle change. This issue is getting a little stale now - it is a little hard to explain, unless you follow it through with DXP/P2004 open, and I have been through it on the DXP forum enough - so I am sure that Altium will know what I am thinking. (Gee I hate typing stuff twice.) Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message:
Re: [PEDA] Antenna coil
Get the demo protel 98 or up, use my spiral coil, or, continuous S shaped inductor generator, then output Gerber import Gerber into the old protel. Maybe an ASCII pcb save load may also work since only tracks are generated. http://www.proteluser.com/download/Pcb_99SE_add-on/BriansStuff/ Read - Brians_public.txt - for the list of programs libs, download - Brians_public.zip - to get everything. _ Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Antenna coil you may try to design a spiral inductor instead . Download the free software called Appcad (from Agilent) , it has spiral inductors design. Play some what if scenarios with it and you'll see if you can do it one way or another, with and without vias . Best Regards, Matt Tudor , MSEE - Original Message - From: John C. Echols [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 3:32 PM Subject: [PEDA] Antenna coil I'm the guy still using Protel 1.61 (1992) with Windows 3.11 and I'm on a phone linenow that you're through laughing my question is - my present project requires a coil for an antenna for a prox card reader. The coil is about 3.25 X 4.25, 700uHy and takes 60 turns of mag wire. Can I do this with traces? The easiest would be 30 turns on one side and one via to do 30 on the back. I'd probably go .004/.004 so it's not too hard for the board house and would only take .24 width of board space. Will this work or is the spacing too big? Or do I need to do one turn on top, the next on bottom, next on top, etc? All the vias would take up too much room. Thanks for the help. John Echols * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Antenna coil
I cannot see any real problems putting the coil on the board, but I wouldn't mind betting it will take more turns than a remote (wire) coil to get it to the same resonant frequency (inductance). (Due mainly to the coils self capacity to its (own) other windings. You need to either simulate the resonant frequency, or test a few boards to get this right! Since a prox card antenna is usually driven in series resonance, you need to get the tuning reasonably close before the antenna works particularly well. (But you can alter the series capacitor to get into tune), so all is not lost!) Use the Inductor designer mentioned in other threads if it will estimate an inductance. Cheers Harry Home office phone (03) 9504 1957 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: John C. Echols [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 6:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] Antenna coil I'm the guy still using Protel 1.61 (1992) with Windows 3.11 and I'm on a phone linenow that you're through laughing my question is - my present project requires a coil for an antenna for a prox card reader. The coil is about 3.25 X 4.25, 700uHy and takes 60 turns of mag wire. Can I do this with traces? The easiest would be 30 turns on one side and one via to do 30 on the back. I'd probably go .004/.004 so it's not too hard for the board house and would only take .24 width of board space. Will this work or is the spacing too big? Or do I need to do one turn on top, the next on bottom, next on top, etc? All the vias would take up too much room. Thanks for the help. John Echols * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Antenna coil
I never sleep John -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 11:56 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Antenna coil For spirals you could try Brians script as well for drafting after doin 'what ifs' in the other application. http://www.proteluser.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=17 John Hey, I was just replying to that as well... You won hitting the Send on your email by a few seconds... _ Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: John A. Ross [RSDTV] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Antenna coil -Original Message- From: matt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 10:18 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Antenna coil you may try to design a spiral inductor instead . Download the free software called Appcad (from Agilent) , it has spiral inductors design. Play some what if scenarios with it and you'll see if you can do it one way or another, with and without vias . Best Regards, Matt Tudor , MSEE - Original Message - From: John C. Echols [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 3:32 PM Subject: [PEDA] Antenna coil I'm the guy still using Protel 1.61 (1992) with Windows 3.11 and I'm on a phone linenow that you're through laughing my question is - my present project requires a coil for an antenna for a prox card reader. The coil is about 3.25 X 4.25, 700uHy and takes 60 turns of mag wire. Can I do this with traces? The easiest would be 30 turns on one side and one via to do 30 on the back. I'd probably go .004/.004 so it's not too hard for the board house and would only take .24 width of board space. Will this work or is the spacing too big? Or do I need to do one turn on top, the next on bottom, next on top, etc? All the vias would take up too much room. Thanks for the help. John Echols * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Data line transformers (was: Antenna coil)
My first test PCB printed with data line transformers is coming next month, no electrical connection from A side to B side. Is anybody interested? Capabilities: Get over 500 megabits from 1 side to the other. Perfect phase clock drivers inverters. Great for isolating SPDIF/AC3/DTS audio signals, Ethernet line transformers, cheaper smaller than optocouplers, faster by a long shot, analog signal mixers and more... Slow speed signals need only a 2 layer PCB, high speed need 4 layer. Also, 1 PCB to the next with gap sizes typically under .2 inch. (this is for super high voltage separation, in the 5-50KV and above when PCBs edges are coated.) _ Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Data line transformers (was: Antenna coil)
Also forgot to mention logic level conversion. Convert 1.8v logic to 3.3v, 5v, and back... _ Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick To: Protel EDA Forum Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 6:23 PM Subject: [PEDA] Data line transformers (was: Antenna coil) My first test PCB printed with data line transformers is coming next month, no electrical connection from A side to B side. Is anybody interested? Capabilities: Get over 500 megabits from 1 side to the other. Perfect phase clock drivers inverters. Great for isolating SPDIF/AC3/DTS audio signals, Ethernet line transformers, cheaper smaller than optocouplers, faster by a long shot, analog signal mixers and more... Slow speed signals need only a 2 layer PCB, high speed need 4 layer. Also, 1 PCB to the next with gap sizes typically under .2 inch. (this is for super high voltage separation, in the 5-50KV and above when PCBs edges are coated.) _ Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Data line transformers (was: Antenna coil)
-Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] My first test PCB printed with data line transformers is coming next month, no electrical connection from A side to B side. Is anybody interested? Yes.. Capabilities: Get over 500 megabits from 1 side to the other. Perfect phase clock drivers inverters. Great for isolating SPDIF/AC3/DTS audio signals, Ethernet line transformers, cheaper smaller than optocouplers, faster by a long shot, analog signal mixers and more... AES/EBU too.. Slow speed signals need only a 2 layer PCB, high speed need 4 layer. Also, 1 PCB to the next with gap sizes typically under .2 inch. (this is for super high voltage separation, in the 5-50KV and above when PCBs edges are coated.) _ Brian Guralnick Darren Moore * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Component Type (Ex:2004 Global edits)
On 04:21 AM 29/03/2004, edsi said: ..snip.. Component type: I would be willing to quiz every engineer I have worked with for the past 30 years and 99 percent would not be able to correcty answer a definition of Standard, mechanical, graphical, NET TIE, etc. Nor would they care or even use it even if they could More fool you and them for not taking the time to learn a useful new feature - I will not explain it at is it is clearly not something you want or need - still the rest of us will get on and be more productive due to these features. Hint - I take it you don't do star connected power nets, or RF layouts, or played with the Lomax virtual short, or placed testpoints as components on the Sch, or wanted to put screws and washers on your Sch (like a few designers I know like to do) Bye for now, Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Netlist load (Ex: Component Type ...)
On 04:21 AM 29/03/2004, edsi said: ..snip.. Netlist Import / Load / compare or whatever it is called now The knowledge base is out of date and does not reflect 2004 changes. With 2004 you do not have to create projects etc to load the netlist.Score one for complaining. You don't have to use a project but if you do life is easier. Why would you choose to do something the hard way? Create a project that contains the PCB add the netlist and then your life is easier? Why not? (At least it is supposed to be easier, I have never tried) We are not having troubles here because of old dogs new tricks are we? (Actually, I myself wonder why the Netlist Load menu entry was removed. But given a feature I liked was removed I would do three things 1) argue my case for its re-inclusion in the most appropriate forum I can find, 2) attempt to fix the problem by scripting and 3) get on with the best, quickest, workaround. The advanced button for netlist loading does not seem that to me.) Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Data line transformers (was: Antenna coil)
yes pls keep us posted would love to see an AES app Brian Guralnick wrote: My first test PCB printed with data line transformers is coming next month, no electrical connection from A side to B side. Is anybody interested? Capabilities: Get over 500 megabits from 1 side to the other. Perfect phase clock drivers inverters. Great for isolating SPDIF/AC3/DTS audio signals, Ethernet line transformers, cheaper smaller than optocouplers, faster by a long shot, analog signal mixers and more... Slow speed signals need only a 2 layer PCB, high speed need 4 layer. Also, 1 PCB to the next with gap sizes typically under .2 inch. (this is for super high voltage separation, in the 5-50KV and above when PCBs edges are coated.) _ Brian Guralnick -- ___ Integrated Controls, Inc. Tel: 415-647-0480 EXT 107 2851 21st StreetFax: 415-647-3003 San Francisco, CA 94110 www.integratedcontrolsinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Data line transformers (was: Antenna coil)
Interested indeed. Tom. - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick To: Protel EDA Forum Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 6:23 PM Subject: [PEDA] Data line transformers (was: Antenna coil) My first test PCB printed with data line transformers is coming next month, no electrical connection from A side to B side. Is anybody interested? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Component Type (Ex:2004 Global edits)
-Original Message- From: edsi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 7:21 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Component Type (Ex:2004 Global edits) snip Component type: I would be willing to quiz every engineer I have worked with for the past 30 years and 99 percent would not be able to correcty answer a definition of Standard, mechanical, graphical, NET TIE, etc. Nor would they care or even use it even if they could Brian This was one of the most asked for features on this list, since as far back as P98, not the DXP one, and cause for many people complaining about how items in the SCH such as nuts/washers/bolts/insulators. can be shown on the SCH, included in the BOM, but not required for the PCB. There were cries to have this functionality for P99 release as I recall and in subsequent SP's but it never happened. The net tie is the result of many discussions on the 'Lomax short' work around and allows for differently names nets such as isolated gnds to be tied to a single point. Again, many cries of why this was not supported as standard. Graphical is for things not required in BOM but wanted on PCB, like hazard warning in PSU, ESD symbol, logo and so on. Although the naming does not follow what would be recognised as 'standard' terms, the terms are not that obtuse as to hide their function. I don't need to tell you the benefits of these additions in DXP, you can see that for yourself. Each one of these was a workaround in 99SE, now standard in DXP and they do save time. These features would not be top of my 'most hated' list in DXP by a long shot, guess most people already know the parts I seriously dislike. You had some other comments on netlist management ECO, as you know I also work a lot with netlists from clients or between tools where I do not have access to the source documents. I would agree this could be made a lot more user friendly in DXP. John * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Data line transformers (was: Antenna coil)
So am I. Paolo - Original Message - From: Tom Luttrell PWRCOM [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Data line transformers (was: Antenna coil) Interested indeed. Tom. - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick To: Protel EDA Forum Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 6:23 PM Subject: [PEDA] Data line transformers (was: Antenna coil) My first test PCB printed with data line transformers is coming next month, no electrical connection from A side to B side. Is anybody interested? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] SV: Data line transformers (was: Antenna coil)
Ditto. Peder -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Paolo Morgano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 29. marts 2004 07:35 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] Data line transformers (was: Antenna coil) So am I. Paolo - Original Message - From: Tom Luttrell PWRCOM [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Data line transformers (was: Antenna coil) Interested indeed. Tom. - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick To: Protel EDA Forum Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 6:23 PM Subject: [PEDA] Data line transformers (was: Antenna coil) My first test PCB printed with data line transformers is coming next month, no electrical connection from A side to B side. Is anybody interested? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] reg hole on PCB and library
Hi everybody. I am facing the following problems in 99SE 1. I have designed a single sided PCB for a microcontroller programmer. It has a 7812 regulator chip which is to be soldered and also fitted to the PCB (using a small nut), so that the PCB ground copper acts like a heat sink. To do this, I have placed a rectangular copper fill with a hole in the center and aligning the hole with that of the 7812 (TO220 package).To generate the hole I placed a pad(multilayer) and adjusted its hole size to be equal to X-size and Y-size (all 100 mil).But when I generate a print preview by using following settings, I do not see the hole in the copper fill. The whole copper fill appears as black. The settings I use are : Include Top side Include bottom side Include double sides all are selected(checked) Show holes ..selected(checked) Color set... Black White The layers selected in the preview are Bottom layer Keepout layer Multilayer Can anybody help me to find the hole ? 2. My second problem is regarding libraries. When I load a new schematic, is there any way to know the library from where each component was taken by the designer of the schematic ? If you double-click on a component , it shows the library reference,footprint etc. but the library is not known. Similarly in PCB editor, it shows the footprint etc. but the library is not shown. Thanks in advance. Paresh Pai * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
