Re: [PEDA] position dialog

2002-11-21 Thread Tony Karavidas
Not necessarily. Since all the menus are configurable, someone possibly could have removed it from your setup. It also could have been wiped out on its own. I've seen this with a custom menu item I've added. At some point it just 'went away' and I had to add it again. (I remember it was Measure/Sel

Re: [PEDA] What else is under the hood

2002-11-21 Thread Dwight Harm
Any chance that on (Arrow) | Preferences, somehow "Save Preferences" was not checked? -Original Message- From: Mike Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 7:35 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] What else is under the hood ok , here goes .. my (I

Re: [PEDA] position dialog

2002-11-21 Thread Tim Exley
Hmmm ... interesting, because it isn't on my menus, and before anyone asks ... yes, I have service pack 6. I can get to "Tools/InteractivePlacement", but there's no "PositionComponentText". You guys have obviously installed something which I haven't, that sets up that option. Tim Exley -Ori

Re: [PEDA] What else is under the hood

2002-11-21 Thread Mike Reagan
ok , here goes .. my (I think) I found a bug. I had to reinstall 99SE with SP6. On previous installations, I installed all of the features, including things I never used. Installation and operation were generally flawless.The reason I did this reinstall is because I had viru

Re: [PEDA] position dialog

2002-11-21 Thread Dennis Saputelli
ah so those are the keys i hit! thanks Dennis Saputelli Tony Karavidas wrote: > > Try: > > Tools/InteractivePlacement/PositionComponentText. (TIP for short) > > Tony > > > -Original Message- > > From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 5

Re: [PEDA] position dialog

2002-11-21 Thread Thomas
Is it this dialogue box (key sequence:- T I P) ? Tools/Interactive Placement/Position Component text. > -Original Message- > From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, 22 November 2002 12:22 > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] position dialog > > > i was

Re: [PEDA] What else is under the hood

2002-11-21 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Mike, at least you would let us know about it and save us some frustration. Igor -Original Message- From: Mike Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 22 November 2002 1:07 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] What else is under the hood Dennis, This program sometimes is

Re: [PEDA] What else is under the hood

2002-11-21 Thread Dennis Saputelli
please report it (hidden bug) if you are up for it Dennis Saputelli Mike Reagan wrote: > > Dennis, > This program sometimes is amazing, some of us like you have been using it > for years. It doesn't surprise me that you would find another hidden > feature. Today I think I found a hidden bug

Re: [PEDA] position dialog

2002-11-21 Thread Darren
Dennis, Is that: Tools Interactive Placement Position Component Text It's been there all along, mind you I don't remember seeing it before either. Darren Moore > -Original Message- > From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > i was proteling (PCB) and flailing away

Re: [PEDA] position dialog

2002-11-21 Thread Tony Karavidas
Try: Tools/InteractivePlacement/PositionComponentText. (TIP for short) Tony > -Original Message- > From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 5:22 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] position dialog > > > i was proteling (PCB) an

Re: [PEDA] What else is under the hood

2002-11-21 Thread Mike Reagan
Dennis, This program sometimes is amazing, some of us like you have been using it for years. It doesn't surprise me that you would find another hidden feature. Today I think I found a hidden bug but what is the use of reporting it if the program is obsolete ? Mike - Original Message ---

Re: [PEDA] position dialog

2002-11-21 Thread Dennis Saputelli
i was proteling (PCB) and flailing away at the keyboard i looked up to see a dialog i had never seen before! i don't know the key sequence was anymore it was a kind of cool looking _graphical representation_ of the the autopositioning options for the designator and comment ok, it's only slight

Re: [PEDA] shorted planes due to alignment pin holes with no plane expansion

2002-11-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:45 PM 11/21/2002, Mike Reagan wrote: Are the traces you drew intersecting or going thru the holes? The DRC will not check for traces on the planes under any conditions. - Original Message - From: Dave Eloranta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike, I have no split planes passing thru the hol

Re: [PEDA] shorted planes due to alignment pin holes with no plane expansion

2002-11-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:25 PM 11/21/2002, Mike Reagan wrote: You didnt mention if this was a result of a split plane passing thru the hole.This is the only time I have ever encountered a short in which the DRC did not catch it. Actually it is the only DRC that has ever failed for me. If I am correct, such

Re: [PEDA] shorted planes due to alignment pin holes with no plane expansion

2002-11-21 Thread Dwight
Does Protel DISPLAY the clearance blowout on all planes? Some planes? If it does display, then it's a Gerber-generation issue. If it does NOT display, then Protel "thinks" it doesn't need it, and it'd be useful to try playing with design rules, pad sizes, etc., to see if this changes. Are they f

Re: [PEDA] shorted planes due to alignment pin holes with no plane expansion

2002-11-21 Thread Mike Reagan
Dave Are the traces you drew intersecting or going thru the holes? The DRC will not check for traces on the planes under any conditions. Mike - Original Message - From: Dave Eloranta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'Protel EDA Forum' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:43

Re: [PEDA] shorted planes due to alignment pin holes with no plane expansion

2002-11-21 Thread Simon Peacock
Its nothing that any DRC or ERC can ever pick up. Its a manufacturing problem which should be avoided. For starters your PCB house should be made aware before hand that the plane clearences are less than 20mil. The reason for this is due to the PCB house drilling an oversized hole and then plating

Re: [PEDA] shorted planes due to alignment pin holes with no plane expansion

2002-11-21 Thread Dave Eloranta
Mike I have no split planes passing thru the hole. I do have traces drawn in the planes that channel currents. Dave -Original Message- From: Mike Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 11:25 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] shorted planes due to al

Re: [PEDA] support after the sale

2002-11-21 Thread Robert M. Wolfe
I almost was't going to read to the bottom of this one, but nearly fell off my chair in uncontrolable laughter (glad I did). Then realized that is pretty much what Protel told me when I asked basically the same question awhile ago. I listened to how great all the new features were and how TOTALLY d

Re: [PEDA] support after the sale

2002-11-21 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
> > Sidebar: I never call these companies unless I have a > > product that failed in warranty and need to make a claim. > > This happened with a Linksys Cable/DSL Router last week. I > > called them, got connected to a supportdroid who was probably > > working the late shift in India. I told him

Re: [PEDA] shorted planes due to alignment pin holes with no plane expansion

2002-11-21 Thread Mike Reagan
Dave, You didnt mention if this was a result of a split plane passing thru the hole.This is the only time I have ever encountered a short in which the DRC did not catch it. Actually it is the only DRC that has ever failed for me. Mike - Original Message - From: Dave Eloranta <[EMA

Re: [PEDA] question about new footprint in PROTEL

2002-11-21 Thread Wojciech Oborski
Anand Kulkarni wrote: Hi everybody, Is the "new component wizard " the only way to go about creating a new component footprint in PROTEL or is there a way by which you can do it yourself (without using the wizard)? Instead of cancelling the Wizard (what others suggested) you may also launch t

[PEDA] shorted planes due to alignment pin holes with no plane expansion

2002-11-21 Thread Dave Eloranta
Hi I just got a 10 layer board back with the +3.3 plane shorted to the ground plane at 2 alignment pins. The design rules were set for a 14 mil power plane clearance. The alignment holes are plated but do not electically connected to any net. The DRC found no problem and the gerber generator did no

Re: [PEDA] OT: IPC-D-317A

2002-11-21 Thread Steve Smith
FYI, I attended the Greater Ohio Chapter of the Designers Council meeting last night in which Rick Hartley gave a presentation on "Routing and Terminating of High Speed Lines". During the presentation Rick noted that not only that IPC-D-317A was full of bad formula, the IPC new it was bad and is