[PEDA] Creating selective keepouts

2004-04-08 Thread Ray Mitchell
I'm using Protel 99SE SP6. I have components on the top and bottom of my board. In one area of the bottom I would like the autorouter to be allowed to place both vias and traces as needed. In another area of the bottom, however, I would like it to be able to place vias, as needed for routing

Re: [PEDA] The Protel 99SE router (router?)

2004-04-08 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 07:43 PM 4/7/2004, Ian Wilson wrote: On 08:51 AM 8/04/2004, Bagotronix Tech Support said: But seriously, folks, I like the 99SE autorouter OK. It's fast. [...] As far as unrouting (or rerouting) locked tracks, the trick is that your preroute must be 100% routed AND locked. If it's only

Re: [PEDA] Creating selective keepouts

2004-04-08 Thread Brooks,Bill
That sounds like a fairly complex router instruction. I'm thinking the only way to 'trick' the router into performing the way you want may be to hatch the area where you don't want traces with a pattern that would allow vias to be placed in some grid fashion but if the router wanted to place a

Re: [PEDA] Creating selective keepouts

2004-04-08 Thread Mike Reagan
Ray Now I understand a little better. You could this. I use this trick to keep traces out of certain areas. Place a matrix of 1 mil lines on the bottom and make them KEEP OUT lines. Make the squares in the matrix large enough so the router can pop vias in. The matrix will prevent

Re: [PEDA] Creating selective keepouts

2004-04-08 Thread Mike Reagan
Bill I use matrix and fills all of the time for controlling vias and traces.but not on any Protel router of course. Did I say PROTEL router.. there is no such thing. Im sorry for the wrong use of words. Mike -Original Message- From: Mike Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: [PEDA] Creating selective keepouts

2004-04-08 Thread ravenrux
Personally, I never use a router. It's faster, but not very elegant. I've found that spending much time on component placement eases routing tremendously. I would estimate that 60-80% of my routes are less than 200 mils long and have no corners. Michael Badillo From: Mike Reagan [EMAIL

Re: [PEDA] Creating selective keepouts

2004-04-08 Thread Brooks,Bill
ROTFL... Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I. Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 -Original Message- From: Mike Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:15 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Creating selective keepouts Bill

[PEDA] Antwort: Creating selective keepouts

2004-04-08 Thread ga
Ray, try to draw a closed track on the bottom layer surrounding the area you don't want routes, and give the track the attribute keepout. With this, no route on bottom layer may cross this area. It may happen, that the router places short traces which stay only within this area. Anyway, you can

Re: [PEDA] Strange problem with PCB library 99SE

2004-04-08 Thread William Dager
Hi Terry, I saw this happen in 2004, also. I fixed it the same way as everyone else seems to be doing, by shutting down 2004 and restarting it. The problem vanishes. SOMETHING is going on and I think it is not we peasant users. Protel folks--please take note. Best regards, Bill Dager Senior

[PEDA] Saving 2004 to 99SE

2004-04-08 Thread Mike Reagan
Hello All I had to rework some files in 99SE that I started in 2004. (I wont get into why I had to port these files back to 99SE , because the thread will tie up internet traffic for a week)After completion , I ran my DRC's as usual but the unrouted net constraint reported as disabled. I

Re: [PEDA] The Protel 99SE router (router?)

2004-04-08 Thread JaMi Smith
- Original Message - From: Abd ulRahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] The Protel 99SE router (router?) snip One of the 99SE router's poor features was weak cleanup. When dealing with off-grid

Re: [PEDA] The Protel 99SE router (router?)

2004-04-08 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:36 PM 4/8/2004, JaMi Smith wrote: I thought that this problem still existed in Situs, at least thru DXP PreSP3. Has it now been fixed? Don't ask me! What I wrote was based on reports that Situs had improved cleanup. As I stated explicitly, I haven't yet experimented with Situs. It is sad

Re: [PEDA] Saving 2004 to 99SE

2004-04-08 Thread Joe Sapienza
Mike, Thanks for sharing with us. I really do appreciate YOU having the experience for me. Joe - Original Message - From: Mike Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 3:14 PM Subject: [PEDA] Saving 2004 to 99SE Hello All I

Re: [PEDA] The Protel 99SE router (router?)

2004-04-08 Thread edsi
Has it now been fixed? Don't ask me! What I wrote was based on reports that Situs had improved cleanup. As I stated explicitly, I haven't yet experimented with Situs. Abdul, I played with it, as I mentioned in my previous email, there is no such thing as a router from Altium. If you really