Re: [PEDA] Advanced Schematic on Win2k?
Well ... 32-bit software is 65536 times as good as 16-bit software isn't it? Altium should be charging you $131 Million to upgrade. 32-bit software can also contain 65536 times as many bugs, right? ;-) Oh, boy, I can hardly wait for the 64-bit software coming soon! By your standard, to upgrade from 32-bit will cost $8.6E+12. Yeah, 8.6 trillion dollars. By my standard, it will have 4 billion times as many bugs. We could both be right on this one! ;-) This could be a magnificent opportunity for another tech stock swindle, er, I mean, rally! Just start a consortium of EDA resellers, and go public while claiming the projected market value of EDA is expected to grow to 8.6 trillion dollars by 2005 (which is the expected date of widespread availability of 64-bit hardware, software, and OS). All you need is for one customer to upgrade, and the market projection will have been accurate! You can't lose! ;-) Seriously, though, I have said before that software pricing has become ridiculous over the past decade. Software price trends have been going the wrong way. Hardware keeps getting faster, smaller, and cheaper. Software, on the other hand, gets slower, larger, and more expensive. Witness the prices of Protel, Microsoft products, Adobe products, etc. I think a lot of the reasons for this are non-technical, but rather organizational. For example, when Protel set out to write the 32-bit Protel suite, they didn't just start from scratch. They re-used existing code from the 16-bit release. As any sane developer would. But some greedo in marketing decided that since it has twice as many bits, they could charge twice as much for it. After all, why not? The user base doesn't know any better, right? Riiight... My evaluation of Protel 99SE's value? Let me put it this way. If I was forced to use v2.8 (16-bit), I could still do everything I need to do with SCH and PCB design. Do I want to use v2.8? No, I'd rather use 99SE. Why? Integration works better between SCH and PCB, and the Design Explorer is pretty handy (although still not perfect). Do I think it was worth the upgrade price? Yes and no. Yes, I liked the changes and the few added capabilities. No, I thought the upgrade price was too much. So why did I upgrade? Because I hadn't upgraded since I bought v2.8, and I didn't want to get too far behind the curve. Do I think 99SE is perfect? No. They should have kept the Swap pins feature from v2.8. In fact, I still keep v2.8 loaded on an old Win95 Pentium 200 in case I have a design that needs to be optimized by manual pin swapping. Will I upgrade to DXP? Not anytime soon. Why not? Lack of need, and resistance to the high upgrade pricing. Will I ever upgrade again? Probably, if improvements keep coming, and the price doesn't keep rising, and no Linux-based EDA suites with similar capabilities emerge. Note to the license Nazis: that v2.8 license is on a PC that is on the same desk as my PC with the 99SE license, therefore it is impossible for both versions to be in use by more than one person simultaneously. Especially since both PC share one monitor, keyboard, and mouse through a KVM switch. So there! Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Ian Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Advanced Schematic on Win2k? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Advanced Schematic on Win2k?
Well ... 32-bit software is 65536 times as good as 16-bit software isn't it? Altium should be charging you $131 Million to upgrade. 32-bit software can also contain 65536 times as many bugs, right? ;-) Oh, boy, I can hardly wait for the 64-bit software coming soon! By your standard, to upgrade from 32-bit will cost $8.6E+12. Yeah, 8.6 trillion dollars. By my standard, it will have 4 billion times as many bugs. We could both be right on this one! ;-) What about the speed? How about the system Ram CPU requirements? _ Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Advanced Schematic on Win2k? This could be a magnificent opportunity for another tech stock swindle, er, I mean, rally! Just start a consortium of EDA resellers, and go public while claiming the projected market value of EDA is expected to grow to 8.6 trillion dollars by 2005 (which is the expected date of widespread availability of 64-bit hardware, software, and OS). All you need is for one customer to upgrade, and the market projection will have been accurate! You can't lose! ;-) Seriously, though, I have said before that software pricing has become ridiculous over the past decade. Software price trends have been going the wrong way. Hardware keeps getting faster, smaller, and cheaper. Software, on the other hand, gets slower, larger, and more expensive. Witness the prices of Protel, Microsoft products, Adobe products, etc. I think a lot of the reasons for this are non-technical, but rather organizational. For example, when Protel set out to write the 32-bit Protel suite, they didn't just start from scratch. They re-used existing code from the 16-bit release. As any sane developer would. But some greedo in marketing decided that since it has twice as many bits, they could charge twice as much for it. After all, why not? The user base doesn't know any better, right? Riiight... My evaluation of Protel 99SE's value? Let me put it this way. If I was forced to use v2.8 (16-bit), I could still do everything I need to do with SCH and PCB design. Do I want to use v2.8? No, I'd rather use 99SE. Why? Integration works better between SCH and PCB, and the Design Explorer is pretty handy (although still not perfect). Do I think it was worth the upgrade price? Yes and no. Yes, I liked the changes and the few added capabilities. No, I thought the upgrade price was too much. So why did I upgrade? Because I hadn't upgraded since I bought v2.8, and I didn't want to get too far behind the curve. Do I think 99SE is perfect? No. They should have kept the Swap pins feature from v2.8. In fact, I still keep v2.8 loaded on an old Win95 Pentium 200 in case I have a design that needs to be optimized by manual pin swapping. Will I upgrade to DXP? Not anytime soon. Why not? Lack of need, and resistance to the high upgrade pricing. Will I ever upgrade again? Probably, if improvements keep coming, and the price doesn't keep rising, and no Linux-based EDA suites with similar capabilities emerge. Note to the license Nazis: that v2.8 license is on a PC that is on the same desk as my PC with the 99SE license, therefore it is impossible for both versions to be in use by more than one person simultaneously. Especially since both PC share one monitor, keyboard, and mouse through a KVM switch. So there! Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Ian Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Advanced Schematic on Win2k? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Advanced Schematic on Win2k?
On 12:58 AM 12/09/2003, Bagotronix Tech Support said: Well ... 32-bit software is 65536 times as good as 16-bit software isn't it? Altium should be charging you $131 Million to upgrade. 32-bit software can also contain 65536 times as many bugs, right? ;-) I thought bugs is what we paid for. ..snip.. Note to the license Nazis: that v2.8 license is on a PC that is on the same desk as my PC with the 99SE license, therefore it is impossible for both versions to be in use by more than one person simultaneously. Especially since both PC share one monitor, keyboard, and mouse through a KVM switch. So there! (throwing grenade over the wall...) You could have an auotroute session running on one of them Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Advanced Schematic on Win2k?
Jim and Ian, Thanks for the replies. So, when you installed the program, did you do the standard installation or just copy the Client sub-directory over to the Win2K disk? The Client directory is designed to let you run the program from the CD, if you desire, without installing the software on disk. I went that route since I wasn't sure how the installer would handle NT, and because I didn't want it copying over lots of old DLLs that might cause problems down the line. Thanks, PeterM - Original Message - From: Jim Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Advanced Schematic on Win2k? I am running 3.4 on win2k. I had lots of problems upgrading my computer (Sony laptop) to win2k but installing the protel software was not one of them. Jim Walker Walker Power Design, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ian Capps [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 12:28 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Advanced Schematic on Win2k? Hi Peter I have EDA Client 3.0 on WIN 2K without hassles. Ian Capps * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Advanced Schematic on Win2k?
Peter, As I recall, I just inserted the disk(s) and clicked the appropriate squares for a standard installation. When I then went to use it, a message popped up stating some limitation on usage until I unlocked it. I went to the help - about screen to access the unlock code entry etc. and it worked the same as it did many years ago on win95 or 98. Jim Walker Walker Power Design, Inc. 877 281-7483 Peter Montgomery wrote: Jim and Ian, Thanks for the replies. So, when you installed the program, did you do the standard installation or just copy the Client sub-directory over to the Win2K disk? The Client directory is designed to let you run the program from the CD, if you desire, without installing the software on disk. I went that route since I wasn't sure how the installer would handle NT, and because I didn't want it copying over lots of old DLLs that might cause problems down the line. Thanks, PeterM - Original Message - From: Jim Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Advanced Schematic on Win2k? I am running 3.4 on win2k. I had lots of problems upgrading my computer (Sony laptop) to win2k but installing the protel software was not one of them. Jim Walker Walker Power Design, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ian Capps [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 12:28 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Advanced Schematic on Win2k? Hi Peter I have EDA Client 3.0 on WIN 2K without hassles. Ian Capps * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Advanced Schematic on Win2k?
Ian, From memory the access keys were stored as clear text in an ini file. You could check on an your old installation and see what is in the ini files, then add this directly. They are. I tried this but didn't have any luck. The other thing that comes to mind is the relevant edit boxes being pushed off the dialog - are you running with Large Fonts on the Win2k box? No, stock font size. Thanks, PeterM * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Advanced Schematic on Win2k?
Jim, As I recall, I just inserted the disk(s) and clicked the appropriate squares for a standard installation. When I then went to use it, a message popped up stating some limitation on usage until I unlocked it. I went to the help - about screen to access the unlock code entry etc. and it worked the same as it did many years ago on win95 or 98. Well, simple works. I did a standard install and it seems to be fine. I was presented with all the options and entered my codes. Advanced Schematic 3 is now running (as far as I can tell) just fine. I have no idea where it put the various DLLs, but I can't find any in the various WinNT directories, so my OS still seems to be clean. Life is good. BTW, I guess I'm not alone in finding Protel's charge for upgrading is kind of insane. I think my 16 bit software cost me about $2000. To upgrade now to DXP would cost me $6000. Apparently, Protel thinks that charging three times the original cost of the software to upgrade is a sound and logical business plan. It sounds moronic if you ask me. Thanks, PeterM * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Advanced Schematic on Win2k?
Peter snip BTW, I guess I'm not alone in finding Protel's charge for upgrading is kind of insane. I think my 16 bit software cost me about $2000. To upgrade now to DXP would cost me $6000. snip We got a deal for half price to move to dxp, still a lot but much more paletable ;-) with a little customization DXP is very good and worth the money, to us anyway. still has a few problems but not as many as our old package or most of the others out there that i have used. Rich * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Advanced Schematic on Win2k?
On 04:08 AM 11/09/2003, Peter Montgomery said: Jim, As I recall, I just inserted the disk(s) and clicked the appropriate squares for a standard installation. When I then went to use it, a message popped up stating some limitation on usage until I unlocked it. I went to the help - about screen to access the unlock code entry etc. and it worked the same as it did many years ago on win95 or 98. Well, simple works. I did a standard install and it seems to be fine. I was presented with all the options and entered my codes. Advanced Schematic 3 is now running (as far as I can tell) just fine. I have no idea where it put the various DLLs, but I can't find any in the various WinNT directories, so my OS still seems to be clean. Life is good. BTW, I guess I'm not alone in finding Protel's charge for upgrading is kind of insane. I think my 16 bit software cost me about $2000. To upgrade now to DXP would cost me $6000. Apparently, Protel thinks that charging three times the original cost of the software to upgrade is a sound and logical business plan. It sounds moronic if you ask me. Well ... 32-bit software is 65536 times as good as 16-bit software isn't it? Altium should be charging you $131 Million to upgrade. Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Advanced Schematic on Win2k?
Well ... 32-bit software is 65536 times as good as 16-bit software isn't it? Altium should be charging you $131 Million to upgrade. Ian That would only be true if the 32 bit version had 65536 X the op-code instructions without wasting additional system resources. Since this isn't true, I think after you work out the waist additional stuff, Protel should be paying you to upgrade to their 32 bit version. _ Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ian Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Advanced Schematic on Win2k? On 04:08 AM 11/09/2003, Peter Montgomery said: Jim, As I recall, I just inserted the disk(s) and clicked the appropriate squares for a standard installation. When I then went to use it, a message popped up stating some limitation on usage until I unlocked it. I went to the help - about screen to access the unlock code entry etc. and it worked the same as it did many years ago on win95 or 98. Well, simple works. I did a standard install and it seems to be fine. I was presented with all the options and entered my codes. Advanced Schematic 3 is now running (as far as I can tell) just fine. I have no idea where it put the various DLLs, but I can't find any in the various WinNT directories, so my OS still seems to be clean. Life is good. BTW, I guess I'm not alone in finding Protel's charge for upgrading is kind of insane. I think my 16 bit software cost me about $2000. To upgrade now to DXP would cost me $6000. Apparently, Protel thinks that charging three times the original cost of the software to upgrade is a sound and logical business plan. It sounds moronic if you ask me. Well ... 32-bit software is 65536 times as good as 16-bit software isn't it? Altium should be charging you $131 Million to upgrade. Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Advanced Schematic on Win2k?
At 02:08 PM 9/10/2003, Peter Montgomery wrote: BTW, I guess I'm not alone in finding Protel's charge for upgrading is kind of insane. I think my 16 bit software cost me about $2000. To upgrade now to DXP would cost me $6000. Apparently, Protel thinks that charging three times the original cost of the software to upgrade is a sound and logical business plan. It sounds moronic if you ask me. Moronic all the way to the bank, if one wants to be sarcastic about it. Actually, to consider Protel DXP to be an upgrade to the 16-bit software is a tad misleading. They sell it as an upgrade, and it does have some of the same bare-bones functionality, but the software has come a long way and you have skipped over a whole series of upgrades, the most notable being Protel 99SE, which was a vast improvement. As I recall, you could have upgraded from the 16-bit software to Protel 98 for $1000, and you could have upgraded Protel 98 to P99SE for another $1000 (actually, I did it for $700 when it was on special offer), and, likewise, you could have upgraded from 99SE to DXP for $1000. So, in the end, you would have paid $5000 for what retails for $8000. As it is, because you did not upgrade when the offers were there, you pay an extra $1000, you still save $2000 over someone who did not own a prior license. Come to think of it, that's what you paid for your license in the first place, they have given you full credit So you can be grateful or you can be resentful, take your pick. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Advanced Schematic on Win2k?
Ian, Well ... 32-bit software is 65536 times as good as 16-bit software isn't it? Altium should be charging you $131 Million to upgrade. You are clearly missing a career path. Perhaps you need to work at Enron or some other corporation in a CFO or CEO position. You truly understand the way to monetary enlightenment. Thanks, PeterM * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Advanced Schematic on Win2k?
Abd, Actually, to consider Protel DXP to be an upgrade to the 16-bit software is a tad misleading. They sell it as an upgrade, and it does have some of the same bare-bones functionality, but the software has come a long way and you have skipped over a whole series of upgrades, the most notable being Protel 99SE, which was a vast improvement. Correct. Of course, this is mainly because I was extremely annoyed that even after Win95 came out, Protel maintained a 16 bit codebase. It took them three years to upgrade to a 32 bit program. As I recall, you could have upgraded from the 16-bit software to Protel 98 for $1000, and you could have upgraded Protel 98 to P99SE for another $1000 (actually, I did it for $700 when it was on special offer), and, likewise, you could have upgraded from 99SE to DXP for $1000. Once again, very annoyed that a company wanted to charge me the original asking price to upgrade. The idea that the special offer is $700 is ridiculous to me. When upgrades cost as much as I paid for the product in the first place, I know the company in question has a bad upgrade policy. So, in the end, you would have paid $5000 for what retails for $8000. Bleh. As it is, because you did not upgrade when the offers were there, you pay an extra $1000, you still save $2000 over someone who did not own a prior license. Come to think of it, that's what you paid for your license in the first place, they have given you full credit So you can be grateful or you can be resentful, take your pick. Quite clearly resentful. Thanks, PeterM * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Advanced Schematic on Win2k?
I am running 3.4 on win2k. I had lots of problems upgrading my computer (Sony laptop) to win2k but installing the protel software was not one of them. Jim Walker Walker Power Design, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter Montgomery wrote: Hi, I own fully licensed copies of the older Protel 16 bit software. Recently, I decided to try and get Advanced Schematic running on my Win2K box instead of my older Win98 box. It basically runs, but the license box only has an option to unlock the Groupware 3.0 option. There is no place for me to input my code for the schematic client itself. Has anyone on the list gotten the older Protel software to run on Win2k? Thanks, PeterM PS - Since my upgrade cost to get the latest software is about three time the original cost of the software, I have little incentive to upgrade. I stopped when the cost of an upgrade from the previous version to the latest version exceeded my original cost for the software. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Advanced Schematic on Win2k?
Hi Peter I have EDA Client 3.0 on WIN 2K without hassles. Ian Capps - Original Message - From: Peter Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 3:33 PM Subject: [PEDA] Advanced Schematic on Win2k? Hi, I own fully licensed copies of the older Protel 16 bit software. Recently, I decided to try and get Advanced Schematic running on my Win2K box instead of my older Win98 box. It basically runs, but the license box only has an option to unlock the Groupware 3.0 option. There is no place for me to input my code for the schematic client itself. Has anyone on the list gotten the older Protel software to run on Win2k? Thanks, PeterM PS - Since my upgrade cost to get the latest software is about three time the original cost of the software, I have little incentive to upgrade. I stopped when the cost of an upgrade from the previous version to the latest version exceeded my original cost for the software. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Advanced Schematic on Win2k?
On 03:33 PM 9/09/2003, Peter Montgomery said: Hi, I own fully licensed copies of the older Protel 16 bit software. Recently, I decided to try and get Advanced Schematic running on my Win2K box instead of my older Win98 box. It basically runs, but the license box only has an option to unlock the Groupware 3.0 option. There is no place for me to input my code for the schematic client itself. Has anyone on the list gotten the older Protel software to run on Win2k? From memory the access keys were stored as clear text in an ini file. You could check on an your old installation and see what is in the ini files, then add this directly. The other thing that comes to mind is the relevant edit boxes being pushed off the dialog - are you running with Large Fonts on the Win2k box? Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Advanced Schematic on Win2k?
Hi, I own fully licensed copies of the older Protel 16 bit software. Recently, I decided to try and get Advanced Schematic running on my Win2K box instead of my older Win98 box. It basically runs, but the license box only has an option to unlock the Groupware 3.0 option. There is no place for me to input my code for the schematic client itself. Has anyone on the list gotten the older Protel software to run on Win2k? Thanks, PeterM PS - Since my upgrade cost to get the latest software is about three time the original cost of the software, I have little incentive to upgrade. I stopped when the cost of an upgrade from the previous version to the latest version exceeded my original cost for the software. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
