Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Relief on Vias

2001-05-07 Thread Bob Fearon
Hi Kirk We have the same problem on one of our pcb assy. What we have done is put a circular keepout on 3 layers around the thru hole component lead, and added several vias around the perimeter of the pad ( on a 150 mil radius ). This ensures an easy solder. But we do not have

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Relief on Vias

2001-05-07 Thread Ian Wilson
On 12:30 PM 21/02/2001 +1100, Michael Beavis said: > > > > Would you indulge my curiosity ? How is "thermal relief" better than >direct > > connect on your board ? > > > > -- > > David Cary > > > >Jumping in >Soldering pth vias on planes improves the reliability of the connection and >to achieve

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Relief on Vias

2001-05-07 Thread Kirk Haderlie
I should clarify the issue. The problem is that we are using two GND planes and GND polygon fills top and bottom. Soldering GND pads is very difficult(soldering iron stick to the pad), because you effectively have to heat four planes. Our thinking was that if we could reduce the thermal couplin

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Relief on Vias

2001-05-07 Thread Michael Beavis
> > Would you indulge my curiosity ? How is "thermal relief" better than direct > connect on your board ? > > -- > David Cary > Jumping in Soldering pth vias on planes improves the reliability of the connection and to achieve this, thermal relief is recommended (IPC-D-279). Cyclic thermal excurs

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Relief on Vias

2001-05-07 Thread Geoff Harland
> > I think that's just the way it is > > you can do a convert to pads and rebuild > > but why do you want it that way? > > > > Dennis Saputelli > > We are hand soldering the prototypes and having a hard time heating all the > copper attached to the GND vias. The reliefs on the polygon fill might

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Relief on Vias

2001-05-07 Thread Brad Velander
Kirk, as has been mentioned several times in the replies you have gotten so far, you can't get there from here. Not without converting the vias to free pads Therefore after they will be stupid Free pads and they will be replaced by Vias, but not deleted themselves, if you reroute. One or t

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Relief on Vias

2001-05-07 Thread Kirk Haderlie
We are hand soldering the prototypes and having a hard time heating all the copper attached to the GND vias. The reliefs on the polygon fill might make it a little easier to solder. -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 7:06

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Relief on Vias

2001-05-07 Thread Edi Im Hof
At 18:22 19.02.01 -0800, you wrote: >We do a ground polygon fill on the top and bottom of our boards. Has anyone >been successful getting relief connections on vias? No. As far as I know, Protel allways connects the vias direct to planes and fills. Convert the vias to free pads, there's a comma

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Relief on Vias

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
I think that's just the way it is you can do a convert to pads and rebuild but why do you want it that way? Dennis Saputelli Kirk Haderlie wrote: > > We do a ground polygon fill on the top and bottom of our boards. Has anyone > been successful getting relief connections on vias? I have tried a

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Relief on Vias

2001-05-07 Thread David Cary
Dear Kirk Haderlie, If you really want a "thermal relief" on your vias, listen to Ian Wilson. On the other hand, I don't want "thermal relief" on any of my vias. I always want direct connect on my boards. (When I double-click my polygons, I make sure "[Y] pour over same net" is enabled, and

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Relief on Vias

2001-05-07 Thread Ian Wilson
On 06:22 PM 19/02/2001 -0800, Kirk Haderlie said: >We do a ground polygon fill on the top and bottom of our boards. Has anyone >been successful getting relief connections on vias? I have tried a polygon >connect style design rule that applied only to vias on the GND net but this >does not work.