Re: [pydotorg-www] Lost access...want to update LocalUserGroups page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 3/19/24 12:02, John MacTavish wrote:

Team:
I have lost access to my account.  I attempted email recovery to the 
last know email addresses for my username, including this one to no 
avail.  The account may exist with the now defunct meetup group, 
associated email address, j...@pythontricities.org 
.
I attempted to re-create the account but my user name still exists, and 
of course I can’t.
I am not sure how to proceed. I would like to remove the older group I 
started, it is no longer active, and start a new group at my new location.
https://wiki.python.org/moin/JohnMacTavish 



By lost access, do you mean forgot password? Most of us here can't help 
with that, although I think there are some who do. The reset indeed 
isn't going to work if you no longer have access to the email that was 
registered, if you used that form - I can't see those details.


Your wiki name is still in the editors list, so if you can get 
authenticated, you do have the ability to make changes.


If you used an OpenID provider to connect originally, that technology 
never seems to be working for the wiki ((though I don't know what the 
"official" status is considered to be), so not sure what to advise for 
that case.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] wiki access

[Mats Wichmann]

On 3/18/24 07:57, Co Melissant wrote:

Hi,

My name is Co Melissant (CoMelissant) from MonkeyProof Solutions.

As we provide Python consulting services – I like to add us to the list 
on the site. We also provide a commercial full-stack framework (Simian) 
– which I like to add as well.



added as CoMelissant

welcome to the editors team... you're welcome to improve other parts of 
the wiki too, it's always in need of love!




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Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing LocalUserGroups to include Helsinki Python

[Mats Wichmann]

On 3/7/24 05:49, Cal Paterson wrote:

Hi,

I'd like to edit this page: https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups

To reference the newly restarted Helsinki Python group, whose homepage 
(for the moment) is meetup.com:


https://www.meetup.com/helpy-meetups/

Please could someone either make this change or allow my new account 
(CalPaterson) editing rights?


Also, I think python.fi is dead but I'm not 100% sure so will 
investigate.  I've had mail bounce from there at least


You're now added as an editor based on the wiki name.

Feel free to contribute elsewhere too :-) the wiki always needs lots of 
love and attention.


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[pydotorg-www] ShowMeDo links now show hijacked porn site

[Mats Wichmann]

There was an email to webmaster that reported a page where the links 
went someplace... unexpected.  Noah fixed that on the website, but this 
sounded familiar so did a little prospecting - this previously came up 
for the IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments wiki page, which now points to 
a placeholder page noting the demise of that site.


Doing a search for ShowMeDo in page text on the wiki shows there are 
quite a few other hits:



AdvocacyAccomplishments . . . 25 matches
PythonTraining . . . 8 matches
PythonEditors . . . 8 matches
GermanLanguage . . . 4 matches
PythonWebsite/Learning/Top . . . 2 matches
DistributionUtilities . . . 2 matches
PythonSoftwareFoundation/BoardCandidates2010 . . . 1 match
PythonSoftwareFoundation/BoardCandidates2009 . . . 1 match

Noting this here for informational purposes.  I'll try to get around to 
cleaning these up, but if someone else feels motivated to jump in, I 
won't be able to do anything for a while yet...


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Request to edit IDE page

[Mats Wichmann]

Harry,

Glancing back over it again (I did several updates a few years ago, 
others have since), it's even more stale than it was, so much has 
happened in the world of editors.  It came up before - and there was no 
real action - that the list of reviews at the top isn't very useful any 
longer.  For example one nearly 20 year old article compares BlackAdder 
(long gone) and Komodo (recently retired by ActiveState, though they've 
handed it over as an open source project - pretty much it's abandonware)


You've probably seen all this already...

I'm wondering if there's really any point to having review links on the 
wiki page. People can do their own web searches anyway...  anyone else 
have an opinion on that?



The other topic is we usually ask that pages with many entries follow 
some stated sorting mechanism, to avoid arguments about "hey, you put 
your entry at the top as it if was somehow better than others". 
Usually, that's alphabetical. I see the three IDE tables don't follow 
that. If you're going to do surgery on the page, think about whether 
that's something that makes sense.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Request to edit IDE page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 11/6/23 17:03, Harry Parker wrote:

Yes, I chose HarryParker as my wiki name.
Yeah, marking the column "Entry Updated" sounds good to me too.
--
Harry Parker


Okay, you should be set to edit, thanks for helping out!


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Request to edit IDE page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 11/6/23 16:05, Harry Parker wrote:

Hello Esteemed Editors,

I just signed up on the Python Wiki with the aim to update the IDE page,
https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments 
 .


In particular I see it reads that PyCharm hasn't been updated since 2018 
which I know isn't true. It was updated this year.
Thonny was also updated in 2023. So was LiClipse, NetBeans, 
VSCode-Python, PyDev, .

Open Komodo was updated in 2022 and KDevelop in 2020.
Other IDE's are probably more current than stated as well, but I stopped 
looking after the above.


Seeing old dates is discouraging to people like me searching for 
currently supported projects.


I am an experienced Wiki editor.
Happy to go through the IDE list and update the table for you.


We certainly appreciate people stepping up to keep things up to date. 
Wikis seem particularly prone to bitrot anyway, and depend on motivated 
editors; it's probably a bad idea to include a date, since an update to 
an entry a few years ago doesn't mean the item itself has gone stale - 
and often also entry itself hasn't gone stale. Perhaps we should change 
the column heading to "Entry Updated" or some such to make it slightly 
less murky.  Certainly there's not anything about the PyCharm entry 
that's invalid despite it being marked 2018.


We need a wiki name to add you as an editor - was that supposed to be 
HarryParker ?


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki Edit

[Mats Wichmann]

On 9/22/23 08:02, Igor Támara wrote:
Hi, I just signed up for wiki.python.org , I 
would like to add some groups and events that are happening and will 
happen where I live, my username is IgorTamara, please feel free to ask 
any question or let me know if I need to do something additional to be 
able to contribute.


You should be set to edit now.



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Re: [pydotorg-www] https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors

[Mats Wichmann]

On 9/17/23 03:39, Stanislav Ustimenko wrote:

Hi.

I would like to add some info on this page.

My account name is: callpri

Thanks,

Stanislav.


You should be able to edit now. Thanks for helping out!

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Python on Android wiki page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 8/17/23 05:48, Dmitry Kazakov wrote:

Hello,

I have found a promising project which allows to integrate python code 
on Android and would like to extend your wiki page to share it with 
wider audience.


A wiki page is:
https://wiki.python.org/moin/Android 

A project is:
https://www.jython.org/ 

Because non-authorised users can not do this, I share it with you 
according to this page  info.


If you do add Jython, perhaps include a note about its status. This is a 
well known implementation mentioned elsewhere on the Python wiki, but 
the project... how to put this politely - "isn't getting a lot of love". 
It's not "dead", that would be too harsh, releases are still being made.


Most of the Python community considers Python 2 a dead language; Jython 
does not run the current Python language specification, called Python 3 
(which has been out for 15 years now).  There is a project in existence 
to make this happen, which includes a substantial revamp of Jython, but 
there's no public indication that it's making any real progress.


The current, possibly outdated, comment inthe FAQ in Jython's own wiki 
(which is hosted by python.org) might be instructive:


https://wiki.python.org/jython/JythonFaq/GeneralInfo#Can_I_use_Jython_to_make_apps_for_mobile_phones.3F

The python wiki is also discouraging (remember, on wikis, somebody has 
to update information, and for statements of this type, it's hard to 
tell if up to date or not):


"Although Android's primary programming language is Java, there is no 
known port of Jython to the platform. "




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Re: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] Belarusian Language

[Mats Wichmann]

On 8/4/23 22:50, 1QMIK :3 wrote:
I've just found my language Belarusian on this page: 
https://wiki.python.org/moin/Languages 
 but It's spelled incorrectly 
"belorussian" language doesn't exist. Please change It to normal name, 
It should be: BelarusianLanguage


Forwarding this on to a different mailing list as webmaster doesn't deal 
with the wiki contents.


I don't see any problem with changing this.  We English-speaking 
not-from-Belarus did refer to the language as Belorussian prior to 
independence, so the name was not taken completely out of thin air by 
whomever created that page.


If nobody else at pydotorg-www thinks it's a problem, I can see if it 
will let me rename the page.


It would also be nice if there was some actual content! The one link 
there appears to be on a non-responsive server.  If you have any links 
that would be appropriate, perhaps you could consider becoming an 
editor?  You only need to create a wiki account and mail a request to 
pydotorg-www@python.org.



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Re: [pydotorg-www] Request to Join EditorsGroup for Wiki Editing

[Mats Wichmann]

On 7/25/23 10:30, fahad cubix wrote:
I hope this email finds you well. My name is Fahad Ghouri, and I 
recently signed up for a wiki account on python.org  
with the username fahad.ghouri. I am reaching out to request access to 
the EditorsGroup so that I can contribute and edit pages on the Python 
website.


Sure. You should be an editor now.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Request to add a New Local User Group

[Mats Wichmann]

On 5/18/23 06:54, Liberta Gani wrote:

Hello,

I hope this email finds you well.


We are a team in Tirana Albania that organise regular meetups around 
Python Programming Language. We are called Pyrana- Tirana Python User group.


I would like to add our local group to the list of Local User Groups, 
here  .


You should now be able to edit the wiki.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Request for addition of "PyDelhi Conference" in events' list

[Mats Wichmann]

On April 24, 2023 1:45:22 PM MDT, Marc-Andre Lemburg  wrote:
>The instructions may be older, but are not outdated :-)
>
>There are a few people on this list who can edit pages on python.org (using 
>its custom CMS), e.g. I have editing rights.
>
>I can also help with adding events to the calendars, since I still am on that 
>team as well (having started it many years ago).
>
>Now, whether the "workshops" page is the best resource for conference links is 
>another question. Unfortunately, there are several such link collections and 
>because they live on different platforms, none of them are fully up to date.
>
>Ideally, we should just have one platform for this.
>
>My take on this is to make editing such a list easy for more than just a few 
>people, so the wiki page would be the natural choice:
>
>https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonConferences
>
>Another such listings is the one on https://pycon.org/ (which lives in a 
>Github repo), and there are several spread across various other sites on the 
>net.
>
>Perhaps we ought to retire the "workshops" page on python.org, move everything 
>over to the wiki and instead have the python.org page link or redirect to the 
>wiki page.
>
>Thoughts ?
>
>
>
>On 24.04.2023 19:43, Ishaan Arora wrote:
>> Sure, will do that. Thanks!
>> 
>> On Mon, 24 Apr, 2023, 10:44 pm Chris Angelico, > > wrote:
>> 
>> On Tue, 25 Apr 2023 at 00:48, Ishaan Arora
>> mailto:ishaanarora1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  >
>>  > Hi!
>>  > I am talking about this page:
>> https://www.python.org/community/workshops/
>>  (Under the heading:
>> `Adding Conferences`.)
>>  >
>> 
>> Ah. I think the instructions there are outdated. Would probably be
>> best to contact the events folks, I think? Not sure.
>> 
>> ChrisA
>> 
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don't think the community is best served by multiple places for this info, esp. 
when the access rule is different for each. 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Adding PyCon Lithuania to https://python.org/community/workshops/

[Mats Wichmann]

On 11/29/22 14:06, Aidis Stukas wrote:

No, I don't think we have one.


Note that while it's worth adding yourself to the wiki, and to the 
events calendar, both of which are of a self-service nature, this still 
won't let you add to the page you originally mentioned.  Not completely 
sure how we cause that to happen... there's a separate website 
repository (pythondotorg), but that's for the code that runs the 
website, not for the content.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Proposing Edits to Downloading Python Guide

[Mats Wichmann]

On 10/25/22 13:32, Matthew Treinish wrote:

Hi,

We're currently working on updating some getting started documentation for 
Qiskit and as it's
written in Python we wanted to link to instructions on how to install Python 
(you can see the
PR in progress for this here: https://github.com/Qiskit/qiskit/pull/1613). 
Previously,
this section of the documentation linked to the Anaconda website which in my 
opinion isn't a
good recommendation for a few reasons. So we were looking to update that 
documentation to
point to the official installation instructions for Python. Looking at 
python.org the getting
started page (https://www.python.org/about/gettingstarted/) refers to this wiki 
page:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/Download

for the details. I think the wiki page could probably use some updates as it 
looks a bit out
of date. I'd like to request permission to edit that page so that I can make it 
a bit more
up-to-date. Something like the following: (between "")



# Downloading Python


I'd say linking back to the OS-specific pages from 
[https://docs.python.org/3/using/index.html]  would be valuable - there 
are many tips for first-timers like dealing with the Python launcher and 
other Windows oddities and the Mac setup in those pages that people 
don't end up finding as easily as they should.




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Re: [pydotorg-www] Hi Python Wiki! Adding New Documentation

[Mats Wichmann]

On 11/2/22 16:26, Sonny Li wrote:
Apologies for the poor explanation. By 8-bit aesthetics, I meant it's a 
learn to code platform that has a retro feel.


Here's the page that I was referring to: 
https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide 
.


Specifically this section:

Screen Shot 2022-11-02 at 6.18.27 PM.png

Enabling me to add it would be great and I'd appreciate it! My wiki 
username is *SonnyLi*

*
*
Thanks, Mats! Let me know when that's done, and I'll make an edit. 


You should be able to edit now.

Our usual first-time admonition is simple: "be nice" (that is, don't 
unduly promote your services above others).  On the other hand, if you 
see things that need cleaning up - wikis do tend to go stale without 
constant attention - feel free to do so.




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Re: [pydotorg-www] Hi Python Wiki! Adding New Documentation

[Mats Wichmann]

On 11/2/22 15:53, Sonny Li wrote:

Hi Python Wiki,

My name is Sonny, and I'm the Founder & Chief Vibes Officer of Codédex 
, a brand new learn to code platform with an 
8-bit aesthetic.


Sorry - what in the world does that mean "8-bit aesthetic"?  Helps not 
to use  jargon when trying to explain things to people. Never heard this 
term, I see it's used some on the internet, but no clue seems to be 
given what it means. Something from the gaming world maybe?


*I'm reaching out to see if we can be listed in the free in-browser 
coding tutorials section.* It would mean the world for the team.


Section of what?

If this is on the wiki, sure, we'll enable you to edit it (if you 
provide the requested details, namely your wiki name), and the addition 
will be very welcome.  If it's some part of the python.org website 
that's not the wiki, it may be a little trickier. Different bits are 
under the purview of different decision-makers, not all of whom listen 
here.  You may still want to add yourself to the wiki pages as an 
interim measure.




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Re: [pydotorg-www] https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors#Online_Editors

[Mats Wichmann]

On 8/29/22 10:57, Dennis German wrote:
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors#Online_Editors
> 
> 
> a8 is now b8
> 
> pida link is wrong
> 
> I'll fix it if you let me.   =}:)
> 
> DennisGerman

Have added you as an editor.

If you feel motivated, GitPod could be added to the Online category,
I've used that a couple of times and notice it's missing.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing pages

[Mats Wichmann]

On 8/24/22 02:34, Vikash Kumar via pydotorg-www wrote:
> Hi Python team,
> 
>  
> 
> Hope you’re doing great. My name is Vikash Kumar working in a software
> development company - TatvaSoft. Actually, I’m here with a request to
> add me to the EditorsGroup, I thought probably TatvaSoft could become a
> part of it too as we focus on Python Development since 2009 and have
> vast experience in this technology.


We usually look for a particular proposal ("I would like to edit Foo
because Bar") to get started.  Did you have something in mind that needs
editing that you think you could improve? (there's lots that needs work,
that's not the point: usually, though, unless there's something
motivating a particular editor not much tends to happen).
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Edit request

[Mats Wichmann]

On 5/6/22 07:26, Support (AB) wrote:
> Hi team,
> 
> The page PythonWikiEngines contains interesting projects to host wiki
> servers with Python. I would like to make the following changes to this
> page that was not updated since 2015:
> 
> - Add a project that you can test online at https://pwic.wiki
> - Update several broken links
> - Eventually cross check the list of projects with the ones listed on
> Wikipedia
> 
> The user account that I created for the above contribution is AlexBrea.

Alex, you should be good to edit now.

Appreciate your assistance: wikis are only as strong as the users'
willingness to contribute to keeping them up to date.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Request to add "Advanced Python Programming: 2nd edition" to Python Books.

[Mats Wichmann]

On 4/13/22 03:23, Chris Angelico wrote:

> I'm concerned that the books pages are becoming nothing more than
> Packt listing pages. Thoughts?

Generally agree, but... is there anything sensible to be done about it?
Is it better if we tell them to do something like "Packt Publishing has
an extensive catalog of Python titles, see here"?

Somewhat snarky aside, the Packt books I've looked at - probably a
half-dozen or so (which given the numbers you cite isn't a very
representative sample size) - are pretty "average", descending even to
"poor" - but there's no rule against low quality books either.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] help

[Mats Wichmann]

On 4/5/22 06:01, Jonathan Bambaji wrote:
> Hi
> 
>  
> 
> I run a company called JBI Training – we have an old entry on your
> Training page, but the link is broken and the wording needs an update.
> 
> I would also like to create some entries on the Events page,
> highlighting our Python events in the UK
> 
> Can you please let me know how to create/update these entries?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jon

You send us your wiki account name and someone will add you to the
editors list. By events, do you mean training events, or other Python
events?  I think there's an additional events procedure where things can
appear on a calendar, but the training events page is just direct edit.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Problem

[Mats Wichmann]

On 2/20/22 19:07, David Scott wrote:
> 
> I'm just learning Python and thus had a reason to check into the Python
> Examples and Sample Code section of the wiki. 
> 
> Effbot.org is on hiatus according to the site's landing page,
> rendering The Python Standard Library
>  inaccessible.
> 
> Thought you guys should know and since I'm very new I didn't feel
> comfortable editing the wiki myself as I don't have a replacement for
> the missing information.
> 
> David Scott

Doesn't look like anybody replied here.

We do know that effbot is on, sadly, permanent hiatus, as Fredrik passed
away not too long ago.  Some of the other references pointed to archived
material on archive.org, I don't know if anyone can find such an
archived link there, I find searching there kind of painful.

You might consider this as a possible replacement,  being a complete
tour of the standard library.

https://pymotw.com/3/


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki - Introductory Books

[Mats Wichmann]

On 7/23/21 11:07 AM, Stephen Gruppetta wrote:

Hi Mats,

yes, it’s StephenGruppetta

thank you

Stephen Gruppetta
Founder | Director of Studies


Okay, you should be set to go.

That page has some kind of guidance for additions - there have been 
times where certain folks were a little abusive, insisting on moving 
their masterwork(s) to the most prominent position in the page, just so 
you're aware...


Cheers,

-- mat



On 23 Jul 2021, 3:41 PM +0100, Mats Wichmann , wrote:

On 7/14/21 1:25 AM, Stephen Gruppetta wrote:

Hello,

just created a page as I’d love to able to add a new book to the
Introductory Book pages, if possible.

Thanks

Stephen Gruppetta
Founder | Director of Studies

Codetoday, 13 Hawley Crescent, London, NW1 8NP

T 020 3289 7431 E step...@codetoday.co.uk W codetoday.co.uk


Doesn't look like any of us acted on this, sorry.

Do you have a wiki ID? That's needed for us to give you editing rights.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki - Introductory Books

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On 7/14/21 1:25 AM, Stephen Gruppetta wrote:

Hello,

just created a page as I’d love to able to add a new book to the 
Introductory Book pages, if possible.


Thanks

Stephen Gruppetta
Founder | Director of Studies

Codetoday, 13 Hawley Crescent, London, NW1 8NP

T 020 3289 7431 E step...@codetoday.co.uk W codetoday.co.uk


Doesn't look like any of us acted on this, sorry.

Do you have a wiki ID?  That's needed for us to give you editing rights.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Pls add DeanDBabic as Editor

[Mats Wichmann]

On 6/29/21 7:28 AM, Dražen Babić wrote:

Thanks!

The wiki name is in the subject line.

Cheers


And so it is.  You should be ready to go now.





On Tue, 29 Jun 2021, 21:26 Mats Wichmann, <mailto:m...@wichmann.us>> wrote:





looks like we may have missed this request... if it didn't get handled
for you, we'll need your wiki name in order to enable you for editing.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Pls add DeanDBabic as Editor

[Mats Wichmann]

On 6/22/21 12:31 AM, Dražen Babić wrote:

Hi there,

I manage page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jam.py_(web_framework)

Could someone add me as Editor to add Jam.py please?

Thanks in advance.

D.


looks like we may have missed this request... if it didn't get handled 
for you, we'll need your wiki name in order to enable you for editing.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] TimHuegerich would like to edit the wiki

[Mats Wichmann]

On 4/29/21 8:08 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:

On 29.04.2021 15:48, Tim Huegerich wrote:

I made an edit yesterday morning. I think I'm all set now.


Looks like it :-)

https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments?action=diff=333=334

I didn't see a message about you having been signed up.


I may have botched the reply when I added him so it didn't go to the list...


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki Edit Access - DavidMuller

[Mats Wichmann]

On 4/17/21 2:12 PM, David Muller wrote:

Hello,

I'd like to request access to update the `Advanced Books` page on the 
Python wiki .


I've recently published a book on Python (Intuitive Python: Productive 
Development for Projects that Last 
) and would look 
to add an entry to the Python wiki pointing to that book.


My Python wiki username is DavidMuller.


You should be set to go now.

(if you find anything else in the wiki that needs some TLC, please dig 
in. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink!)


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Re: [pydotorg-www] pythoneon

[Mats Wichmann]

On 4/12/21 9:30 AM, René B. wrote:

Hello, is it possible to add the pythoneon package to the PythonInMusic
info pages? This package is on PyPI.


If you create a wiki account and let us know what the username is, we 
can enable you to make such changes.



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Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing a wiki page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 3/4/21 10:09 AM, Vendula Poncova wrote:

Hello,

I am a maintainer of the dasbus library [0] that provides Python 
bindings for DBus and I would like to add it to the wiki page with DBus 
examples [1]. Could you give me permissions to edit this page, please? 
My wiki name is VendulaPoncova.


You should be able to edit now.  Thanks for helping out!


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing a page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 2/27/21 5:39 AM, Nancy Irisarri wrote:

Hello,

I have just signed up as NancyIrisarriMendez and would like to edit the 
page https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups 
. The group PyLadies 
Amsterdam is interested in being in the list, so I want to add it. Can I 
please get rights for editing the page?


Kind regards,

Nancy Irisarri Méndez


You should be good to go now.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Update wiki linkas to my tutorial

[Mats Wichmann]

On February 15, 2021 5:52:14 AM MST, Alan Gauld  wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I was attempting to update the Beginners/Non programmers page with the
>updated link to my newest web tutorial but can no longer access the
>page.
>
>Can someone either add me to the list of editors or do the updates for
>me.
>
>There are two links (the second should probably be removed) pointing
>to:
>
>http://www.alan-g.me.uk/l2p
>
>and they should now point to:
>
>http://www.alan-g.me.uk/l2p2
>
>ie. With a 2 at the end...
>
>TIA

hi Alan. we need your wiki name to add you.
-- 
Sent from a mobile device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Documentation Tools: pdoc

[Mats Wichmann]

On 2/1/21 9:51 AM, Maximilian Hils wrote:
That sounds about right. I don't have editing rights yet (wiki user 
MaxHils). Could you or someone else grant me editing permissions please?


Done.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Documentation Tools: pdoc

[Mats Wichmann]

On 2/1/21 8:26 AM, Maximilian Hils wrote:

Hi all,

I am the current maintainer of the pdoc project, a Python API
documentation tool. We are in the unfortunate situation that we have a
hostile fork which likes to assume our name while associating itself
with Nazi symbols [1][2]. To cut a long story short, the documentation
tools page in the Python wiki has been repeatedly edited in favor of
this "pdoc3" fork, presumably by its author [3]. This behavior has
already been flagged on the mailing list by others before [4].

As the maintainer of the original pdoc project [5], I feel that the
current wiki entry does not portray pdoc and pdoc3 correctly. The
original project is very much active and maintained again, and many of
the touted benefits of the fork are present in the original software
as well. Speaking in personal capacity: I don't want to presume to
make that judgement, but I feel the Python wiki does not need to
promote projects that are offensive in a number of ways.

Given that I'm not an independent party in this conflict, I would like
to request some guidance on what would be the right thing to do. I
would be happy to update the wiki page myself (ideally with someone
neutral reading over it afterwards), but I'm also open to someone else
in the community making a judgement call.


Seems like the non-controversial part would be to update your own entry 
first. Do you have editing rights at this point?


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Re: [pydotorg-www] planet.python.org not updating

[Mats Wichmann]

On 12/10/20 10:44 AM, Tres Seaver wrote:

The 'pla...@python.org' mailing list received a report this morning
that the Planet has not updated since December 07, 2020 04:48 PM UTC

Although I help maintain the planet's repository, I don't have
any idea who has the keys to get in and diagnose why updates to
the planet have not occurred.

Can somebody point me to the right list / resource?


Maybe try here?  (sometimes it's rather obscure what controls what, we 
should probably have a master key of all the web resources somewhere)


https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/issues


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Wiki editing

[Mats Wichmann]

On 11/18/20 12:49 PM, Greg Ward wrote:

Hi --

could you add me to the wiki EditorsGroup please? I'd like to make some changes 
to https://wiki.python.org/moin/LanguageParsing.

Wiki username: GregWard

Thanks!


Done!


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing https://wiki.python.org/moin/ConfigurationAndBuildTools

[Mats Wichmann]

On 10/27/20 5:04 PM, Arcadiy Ivanov wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm the sole maintainer of the PyBuilder and would like to keep the Wiki
> reference to the project up to date. Wiki login is ArcadiyIvanov.

Arcadiy,

You should be enabled as an editor now.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] ParallelProcessing page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 10/16/20 12:20 PM, Panagiotis Hadjidoukas wrote:
> I am terribly sorry, I wrote many things in my email but not the most
> important one: 
> PanagiotisHadjidoukas (https://wiki.python.org/moin/PanagiotisHadjidoukas).

with that bit of information, you should be good to go now.

thanks for helping out!


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Re: [pydotorg-www] suggest edit

[Mats Wichmann]

On 9/14/20 5:32 AM, Joost-Jan van Klaveren via pydotorg-www wrote:
> Wiki account: me
> 
> An edit was made in error:
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/HandlingExceptions?action=diff=30=31
> 
> I wish to revert it as it renders the given example useless, the "typo" is by 
> intent.

I've applied that change, since several other edits have happened since
then it wouldn't have been useful to just let MoinMoin revert to that
version.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Adding CockroachDB info to Python Wiki

[Mats Wichmann]

On 9/10/20 10:12 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> On 10.09.2020 16:34, Mats Wichmann wrote:

>> I don't know that I personally think the first section of the mysql page
>> where it has pros/cons of mysql itself is particularly
>> relevant/appropriate to the Python wiki

> We have those pros/cons for all databases listed in the wiki.
> It's useful to have as a guideline for newbies when selecting
> a database backend.

Okay. I hadn't looked at many others - it looks like that's kind of a
"template" since many of the ones linked off this page:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/DatabaseInterfaces

do in fact have those sections even if they're sometimes empty (see
https://wiki.python.org/moin/Informix)


In my (partial) defense, the one I did look at doesn't have those
sections :)

https://wiki.python.org/moin/Sybase



That main page is pretty out of date, there's no mention even of the
whole class we call NoSQL databases... well, it's a wiki, depends on
people willing to keep up to date. Hint, hint :)
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Adding CockroachDB info to Python Wiki

[Mats Wichmann]

On 9/9/20 9:40 AM, Charlotte Dillon via pydotorg-www wrote:
> Hi, Maintainers!
> 
> I'm Charlotte, [CharlotteDillon] to be specific, and I'm on the team at
> Cockroach Labs. 
> 
> I'm reaching out about writing a page on the Python Wiki about building
> on CockroachDB (akin to this MySQL page
> ). If our docs team were to draw
> something up, are you the folks to be in touch with? We don't want to be
> spammy on your site, just want to get our name and information out there. 
> 
> Let me know, and thanks for the work you do!

The wiki is for "user contributions" so it's fine to contribute how
Python can be used to work with CockroachDB - we'll set you up as an
editor when you're ready.

I don't know that I personally think the first section of the mysql page
where it has pros/cons of mysql itself is particularly
relevant/appropriate to the Python wiki, and maybe we should remove that
bit.   That's just one opinion, we'll see if others express conflicting
ones. Pros/cons of different connectors in working with the db is a
different story.  Just as possible guidance what might/might not be in
scope for your notes...
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[pydotorg-www] Anyone able to tweak this? Fwd: [Webmaster] wrong date for success story

[Mats Wichmann]

 Forwarded Message 
Subject: [Webmaster] wrong date for success story
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 13:28:00 +0200
From: Andrew Dalke 
To: webmas...@python.org

Dear python.org Webmaster,

  I just received an odd email concerning my success story listed at
https://www.python.org/success-stories/python-for-collaborative-drug-discovery/
.

I say "odd" because the author asked about my 2018 story. And indeed,
that URL says "October 2018".

But we wrote that back in 2003, which you can see at
https://legacy.python.org/about/success/astra/ .

In 2018, none of the authors were affiliated with the organizations
listed there. And most of the C-Lab middle layer had been rewritten in
Java because of political reasons.

Thus, that posting tells a misleading story.

The success stories page doesn't list contact information.

I hope you are able to direct this to the person who can change the
date, if it is not you.

If the date cannot be changed, I would rather that the success story be
withdrawn.

Thanks in advance for your help,

Andrew
da...@dalkescientific.com

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Help regarding editing page.

[Mats Wichmann]

On 8/17/20 11:39 AM, Abhishek Singh wrote:
> Yes, Sir. Please change it to AbhishekSingh.

okay, try it now.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Help regarding editing page.

[Mats Wichmann]

On 8/17/20 11:33 AM, Abhishek Singh wrote:
> Hello,
> I am Abhishek Singh. Recently i have been added as an editor with my
> wiki account abhi16.2007. My username is AbhishekSingh.
> I want to create my home page and I want to add a resource in reference
> book section for regular expression. 
> Kindly allow me the editing permission. Thank you.

Sorry, Abishek, which one is actually the wiki account name?  I added
you with the first one when you requested, do we just need to change to
the second? If so hopefully someone can get to that quickly.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Enlisting my book in python.org reference book section.

[Mats Wichmann]

On 8/16/20 6:59 AM, Abhishek Singh wrote:
> Hello Python,
> This is Asst.Professor Abhishek Singh. My wiki account is abhi16.2007. I
> have recently created it. I am learning it at the moment that how can I
> contribute through it.
> I have written a book "Simplifying Regular Expression using Python:
> Learn Regex Like Never Before."
> It's on Amazon and Bookauthority.org has rated it in top 10 books of
> 2020 in the concerned topic. It's a good book for beginners.

you've been added as an editor.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] GDPR policy for Python.org?

[Mats Wichmann]

On 7/8/20 2:29 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> I'm not aware of any such work.
> 
> FYI: GDPR compliance is rather difficult to reach in an open
> volunteer based environment. You can only manage this if you pin
> down data access to a smaller limited number of people.
> 
> 
> On 08.07.2020 21:14, Terri Oda wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> The Python Google Summer of Code team is trying to make sure we're
>> compliant with GDPR, particularly because we're updating the blogging
>> system that stores student weekly reports so now's a good time to review
>> any data storage policy.
>>
>> As far as we can tell, the PSF's policy hasn't been updated since 2015,
>> so it predates GDPR. Is anyone working on it and is there anything we
>> should know?
>>
>>  Terri

/waves to Terri from New Mexico. Miss us?  :)

I'd say another big challenge is that python.org is a lot of differently
managed pieces, not really unified except that they externally all
appear to be part of python.org ... there's a CMS-managed part, a wiki,
a jobs site, a blog site, the mailing lists (with, importantly,
archives), the legacy bugtracker (b.p.o).  further - and one of the
reasons it's so hard to do this for OSS projects - external sites may
present a copy of the mailing list archive which python.org has no
control over. It probably wouldn't hurt just to do an exercise to know
there's a policy that should - or should not - apply across all of
those, or what separate policies might be.  'We don't know" is kind of a
bad answer.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Our company on 'Other Commercial Hosts' page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 7/3/20 9:23 AM, Innova Host wrote:
> Hello Mats,
> 
> Wiki name: avonni
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Best regards,
> Gabriel Pereira

This name is added to the editors list, you should be able to edit the
page now. Thanks for contributing!


> 
> Em sex., 3 de jul. de 2020 às 10:58, Mats Wichmann  <mailto:m...@wichmann.us>> escreveu:
> 
> On 7/2/20 8:37 PM, Innova Host wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > It's possible to include us on Other Commercial Hosts
> > <https://wiki.python.org/moin/OtherCommercialHosts> page? We offer
> > Python Hosting and some of our competitors are listed there.
> 
> It's a user-edited page.  To get you editing rights, create an account
> on the wiki and send us the wiki name so it can be added to the editors
> list.
> 
> 

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Our company on 'Other Commercial Hosts' page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 7/2/20 8:37 PM, Innova Host wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> It's possible to include us on Other Commercial Hosts
>  page? We offer
> Python Hosting and some of our competitors are listed there.

It's a user-edited page.  To get you editing rights, create an account
on the wiki and send us the wiki name so it can be added to the editors
list.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Adding CloudJiffy to the Specialized Commercial Hosts list

[Mats Wichmann]

On 6/24/20 12:16 AM, Mohd Ibrahim wrote:
> Hi Team, 
> 
> Trust you are doing well at this tough time. 
> 
> I am reaching out to you to get my company added to the list of
> "Specialized Commercial Hosts" page.  
> 
> Please find the details of our company below: 
> 
> *CloudJiffy* is a PaaS for cloud hosting based on containers. One of the
> major languages supported is Python. The benefit of our platform is  as
> below: 
> 
>   * Automated vertical and horizontal scaling in real-time.
>   * A  platform that supports automation of clustering, deployment, etc.
>   * Simple UI 
>   * Inbuilt CDN
>   * Dedicated software firewall with each instance
>   * Pay-As-You-Consume pricing model
>   * Presence in Germany, USA and India
> 
> Please find a link to our site  and our video
> . Request you to please let me know the
> best steps and the right way to add CloudJiffy to the trusted list of
> hosting solutions for Python. 

You need to create an account on the wiki, and then send us another
message letting us know the wiki name, then we can set you up to edit
the page.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Training workshop

[Mats Wichmann]

On 6/15/20 5:25 PM, Angelo Frisina wrote:
> Hi Mats,
> Checking to see if this request has been published?

you should be able to edit.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] broken link on https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonDistributions

[Mats Wichmann]

On 6/15/20 11:35 AM, Dustin Wehr wrote:
> For PocketPython. FrontPage says to email here to edit wiki.

You need to tell us your WikiName before it can be enabled.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Training workshop

[Mats Wichmann]

On 6/6/20 3:10 PM, Angelo Frisina via pydotorg-www wrote:
> Hi, I would like to post a training workshop to your page.
> 
> Please let me know how I can get added to the editors group.

The two items we request are:

(1) a brief note describing why you want to edit, to try to filter out
bots and spammers (you've done this)
(2) a wiki name we can actually add to the editors list.

So you need to let us know #2.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing of the PythonTestingToolsTaxonomy page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 6/4/20 4:22 AM, Plamen Dimitrov wrote:
> Hi and apology for the delay,


You should be good to edit now.

> On 2020-04-17 01:40, Mats Wichmann wrote:
>> On 4/16/20 4:00 PM, Plamen Dimitrov wrote:
>>> I would like to edit the page on:
>>>
>>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTestingToolsTaxonomy#GUI_Testing_Tools
>>>
>>> regarding addition of some new GUI testing tools. After checking the front
>>> page I was redirected to to write an email to this address and ask to be
>>> included in the editors. Is this still possible?
>>
>> It requires two things:
>>
>> (1) a coherent email from a human indicating some knowledge of what
>> they're doing, to avoid bots and scammers.  DONE
>>
>> (2) a wiki account name that can be added to the page of authorized
>> editors. We still need that...
>>
> 
> I created one with username "Plamen Dimitrov", and is valid and works well
> upon first login. Does this suffice?
> 
> Best,
> Plamen Dimitrov
> 

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Help

[Mats Wichmann]

On 5/12/20 1:54 PM, Haleigh Japp wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>  
> 
> I just installed Python 3.7.5 onto my PC and I keep getting an ‘encoding
> module not found’ error. I put the Python.exe location onto my path but
> the error keeps happening. I uninstalled Python then re-installed it,
> but the same error still happens every time. What should I do?

bugs.python.org has several mentioned of this, the one I looked at seems
to conclude it's a problem with an environment variable (PYTHONHOME).

Take a look here and see if anything from this helps, if not, search for
other issues with the same problem...

https://bugs.python.org/issue27054

Despite some of the comments, it should *not* be necessary to install
with elevated privilege ("as administrator"), the installer is designed
not to need that unless you want to install "system wide", which is
usually not necessary on a personal computer.

This list would not be the preferred location to follow up... maybe the
main Python list?

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Edit

[Mats Wichmann]

On 4/23/20 11:30 AM, Brian Schilling wrote:
> Python Team,
> 
> The https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/Programmers page
> includes the following MIT course from 2008:
> MIT's 6.00 Introduction to Computer Science and Programming
> 
>  (in
> Python). This is outdated but it looks like there is a more recent
> version you can sign up for via edX.
> 
> Here is a link to the 2016
> course, 
> https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-0001-introduction-to-computer-science-and-programming-in-python-fall-2016/lecture-videos/
> 
> I did not create a Wiki account as I do not currently plan to be a
> regular editor but will create one if that changes in the future. 

I've made this update, thanks.  Do consider signing up, we need all the
help we can get :)


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[pydotorg-www] reporting website issues

[Mats Wichmann]

Sorry, I've lost track over time.  Where should people report problems /
requests with Python website content (not wiki content)?  These come
periodically to webmaster, which is actually in some way logical, but
oddly (to outsiders) we don't actually do that.

The issue tracker for the pythondotorg project
(https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/issues) used to be recommended,
and while it still has some people who respond, they don't seem to know
either.  e.g. this enlightening response to a request from Dan Bader to
add a link to RealPython podcasts:

"Hmm I don't even know who owns/manage the content of python.org?"

Anybody here have a suggestion?  We have something in the webmaster
autoresponse message, I'd like to update it if there's a reliable place
for folks to go to.

regards,

-- mats

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing of the PythonTestingToolsTaxonomy page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 4/16/20 4:00 PM, Plamen Dimitrov wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to edit the page on:
> 
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTestingToolsTaxonomy#GUI_Testing_Tools
> 
> regarding addition of some new GUI testing tools. After checking the front
> page I was redirected to to write an email to this address and ask to be
> included in the editors. Is this still possible?

It requires two things:

(1) a coherent email from a human indicating some knowledge of what
they're doing, to avoid bots and scammers.  DONE

(2) a wiki account name that can be added to the page of authorized
editors. We still need that...


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Bug multiprocessing.Process Python 3.8.2 Shell

[Mats Wichmann]

On 4/11/20 4:37 AM, Gerhard Tröster wrote:

> the Python Shell 3.8.2 (both the 32 and 64 Bit version) does not execute
> the multiprocessing.Process  instruction, and outputs
> 
> = RESTART: 
> C:\Users\gerhartr\Desktop\Python\Concurrent\Multiprocessing\python1.py
> Done!
>

> Using the cmd python.exe command,  the correct output
Gerhard,

This isn't the right place for this question, you may want to hunt
around on the Internet for better places. StackOverflow might be a place
you could get more detailed answers.

It seems like you're referring to IDLE when you say "the Python Shell"
above. And indeed if I paste your code into IDLE, I see the behavior you
mention.  There's a reason for it that has to do with the design of
IDLE, it's not actually that it's not working, but that when using
multiprocessing (which forks) the output ends up not able to make it
back to the shell window any longer (the socket is not duplicated).

Just to clear up any doubt, IDLE is not Python, although it comes with
Python and is written in Python.  You might want to try a different
development environment if this behavior is problematic for you, though
it seems you already have a workaround: run the code directly from a shell.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Bogus wiki.python.org attachment on BeginnersGuide

[Mats Wichmann]

On 3/20/20 11:41 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:

>> It looks like someone might be trying out a breakin?
> When hovering over "111" in the info page you get this information:
> 
> This suggests that someone without login (but the given IP address) is
> accessing the page. The IP address maps to Beijing, China.

this was the other page:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/Programmers/SimpleExamples?action=info
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Bogus wiki.python.org attachment on BeginnersGuide

[Mats Wichmann]

On 3/20/20 11:17 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> I no longer have access to my old wiki.python.org account but got a
> bounce message (via postmaster) today which related to an attachment
> added to the BeginnersGuide page:
> 
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide
> 
> The page history shows a deletion and addition of the attachment in
> quick succession. I don't know if the old one was bogus, but the new
> one certainly seems to be. It's a JPEG with a .pdf extension. Someone
> probably should check it out and perhaps restore the old attachment or
> remove it altogether.
> 
> Skip

something's going on - these edits are credited to "111" which is not an
editor in the editors list.

yesterday I got notification of another change made by "48" (actually
these numbers were part of IP addresses, why aren't they coming in under
a username) - that one left the page in a conflicted state.

It looks like someone might be trying out a breakin?


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Zyro is an organization using Python

[Mats Wichmann]

On 3/6/20 6:37 AM, Simonas Steponaitis wrote:
> Hey Mats,
> 
> Thanks for the insight, however, we are still interested to appear on
> that page.
> 
> My nickname is SimonasSteponaitis

This has been enabled for editing, have at it.

Usually for bigger pages we have some guidelines like "add yourself in
alphabetical order to the right section" to avoid some unfortunate wars
we've had in the past betweeen competing editors successively putting
their material at the top, but there's no apparent ordering within each
category now, so it would be hard to enforce that. So will just leave
the suggestion at:  "be nice!".   (grin).


> 
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 6:25 PM Mats Wichmann  <mailto:m...@wichmann.us>> wrote:
> 
> On 3/5/20 8:35 AM, Simonas Steponaitis via pydotorg-www wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Our company has recently launched a new AI-powered website builder
> Zyro
> > <https://zyro.com>. And, of course, it uses Python.
> >
> > I would like to know if it's possible to get featured on this page
> > - https://wiki.python.org/moin/OrganizationsUsingPython?
> 
> The wiki is publicly editable, so anyone (*) can add to it. We will not
> make value judgements of whether any particular project, tool or company
> is worthy of being listed.
> 
> * - "anyone" is slightly restricted because of the plague of Internet
> spambots, editing is limited to people on the editors list, for which we
> request a human actually pop up and explain why they're interested in
> editing, a requirement you've already met.
> 
> If you want to be an editor, write back to the list with your wiki name,
> which is what's necessary to enable it.
> 
> ==
> 
> As an editorial note (more to the team than to Simonas), I don't really
> see a whole lot of value in that page any longer.  You'd be hard pressed
> to find a company of any size that doesn't use Python for something
> today, and it's absolutely impossible to keep up with - the community
> basically isn't even trying any more. According to the page history, we
> had one edit in January this year, since then the previous edit was in
> 2013.  It's likely to not only be out of date, but quite inaccurate as,
> especially for websites, there's been a lot of evolution.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> *Simonas Steponaitis*
> *Marketing Assistant*
> M: +37061298800
> @: simonas.steponai...@hostinger.com
> <mailto:simonas.steponai...@hostinger.com>
> W: www.hostinger.com <http://www.hostinger.com>
> 

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Zyro is an organization using Python

[Mats Wichmann]

On 3/5/20 8:35 AM, Simonas Steponaitis via pydotorg-www wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Our company has recently launched a new AI-powered website builder Zyro
> . And, of course, it uses Python.
> 
> I would like to know if it's possible to get featured on this page
> - https://wiki.python.org/moin/OrganizationsUsingPython?

The wiki is publicly editable, so anyone (*) can add to it. We will not
make value judgements of whether any particular project, tool or company
is worthy of being listed.

* - "anyone" is slightly restricted because of the plague of Internet
spambots, editing is limited to people on the editors list, for which we
request a human actually pop up and explain why they're interested in
editing, a requirement you've already met.

If you want to be an editor, write back to the list with your wiki name,
which is what's necessary to enable it.

==

As an editorial note (more to the team than to Simonas), I don't really
see a whole lot of value in that page any longer.  You'd be hard pressed
to find a company of any size that doesn't use Python for something
today, and it's absolutely impossible to keep up with - the community
basically isn't even trying any more. According to the page history, we
had one edit in January this year, since then the previous edit was in
2013.  It's likely to not only be out of date, but quite inaccurate as,
especially for websites, there's been a lot of evolution.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing IntroductoryBooks page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 1/29/20 10:57 AM, daniël bosold wrote:
> Hey Mats,
> 
> my wikiname is RagnarVanDerWiel (it's a new account). I want to edit a
> couple of pages because, well, like you said, the introductory page is
> full of courses and old books. I'm happy to fix that - as well as make
> a courses/videos page and move relevant info there.

You should be good to go.

If you want to kick around ideas for improving this feel free to use
this list, maybe some of us will awake enough to comment :)

More seriously, it might be just as productive to just try something out
and see how it works.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing IntroductoryBooks page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 1/29/20 7:36 AM, daniël bosold wrote:
> I was just reading the wiki looking for some recommended introductory
> books on the IntroductoryBooks page and noticed that most of the
> entries there are Video courses. While, interesting, it's not what
> this page is about. Hoping to edit this page (and move the courses to
> a VideoCourses page - or some such) I found that it's locked down,
> likely due to inconsiderate users or spammers.

your guess is correct (the latter).

> I'd like to be able to fix this page as well as add a separate one for 
> courses.

Sigh. It looks like Packt has been at it again.  We need some kind of
solution to their overwhelming the pages, and maybe some solution to the
currency of materials (I notice the end of the list have some things
approaching 20 years old, not terribly likely to be that useful).

In any case, you need to tell us your wiki name before you can be added
to the editors list.  Since spambots aren't able to provide the
explanation you have just given, the bar is set right there: just tell
us why you want to edit and we'll turn it on for you.

Note: if you don't have a wiki account yet, there have been some issues
in recent times with account creation, the auth system there
occasionally times out.  The current recommendation there is just to
keep trying, hopefully that will be good enough.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Issues with wiki authentication

[Mats Wichmann]

On 1/16/20 9:39 AM, Henry Harutyunyan wrote:

Hi there.


I'm having problems with logging in and signing up in the 
wiki.python.org. I've encountered the problem yesterday so I don't think 
that the issue is temporal and it probably needs your attention. I get 
timeout error.


I want to open an account so I can make some modifications in the 
Python2orPython3  article.


Looking forward to hearing from you.


It's a pesky and relatively long-standing problem, and nobody seems to 
be able to do much about it. Once somebody's access is failing, it seems 
to keep failing.  We think it has to do with load on the VM the wiki is 
running in (externally generated load - bots pounding on it trying to 
break in, not load from people actually editing the wiki) but I'm 
becoming less convinced that's enough to explain why it works for some 
people all the time and never works for some other people.


Anybody else here have any current best practices for getting in? Is 
there something one can clear, etc?



By the way, not sure what further edits that page needs, the original 
contents were moved out to an archive location and it's pretty much a 
stub that says this isn't really a question any more.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Hyper link to pytest is not valid in PythonTestingToolsTaxonomy page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 12/18/19 5:52 AM, Madisetty, Harish via pydotorg-www wrote:

Hi Team,
I found the hyperlink to the pytest in Unit Testing Tools is not valid 
anymore(https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTestingToolsTaxonomy#Unit_Testing_Tools)


Please update the hyperlink to http://pytest.org/en/latest/

Thanks,
Harish Madisetty


usually we'd ask you create an account and ask to become an editor to 
contribute fixes - keep that in mind if you find further issues.


in this case it seemed quicker to just fix it - done.  thanks for 
reporting the problem!



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Re: [pydotorg-www] Trouble logging in to add Python Training event info to https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTraining/Events

[Mats Wichmann]

On 12/3/19 5:30 AM, Tom Walker wrote:

Hi there,

We would love to be able to update our listing on 
https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTraining/ and also add event data to 
https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTraining/Events


I’m not sure if our login details have expired but every time I’ve 
checked to see if I could login (going back some time) I’ve received 
504: bad gateway.


Should I try registering a new account? I’d previously registered with 
cont...@frameworktraining.co.uk 


Many thanks for any assistance you can give :-)

Kind regards,

Tom


we have bursts of this problem, it's believed due to overloaded VM 
(overloaded by being hammered by bots trying to break in, not because it 
itself is doing too much work).


the credentials you mention don't look like wiki credentials, however, 
they're supposed to be in the form of a WikiName, and are not related to 
credentials elsewhere on python.org.  I certainly don't see anything 
that contains "framework" in the list of people authorized to edit 
pages. Are you sure those are the right credentials?



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Re: [pydotorg-www] Performance Tips: outdated

[Mats Wichmann]

On 11/18/19 7:46 AM, Thomas Güttler wrote:

Hi Mats,

I maintain the wiki in our company since more than ten years.
Wikis are great for creating and adding text.
BUT: Who is responsible for deleting text?
Most people dare to add something.
But removing stuff gets avoided.
I don't dare to remove anything on this page, too.

Regards,
   Thomas Güttler


it's how wikis organically grow stale...

here's one approach that's been used recently on the Python wiki - 
remove a bunch of outdated stuff and leave a link to the version before 
the removal.  For an example:


https://wiki.python.org/moin/SimplePrograms

see the very end where it says:

These all run under Python 3. If you are interested in differences 
between Python 2 and Python 3, please take a look at the previous 
version of this page.



which came from this sort of wiki markup:

These all run under Python 3. If you are interested in differences 
between Python 2 and Python 3, please take a look at the 
[[https://wiki.python.org/moin/SimplePrograms?action=recall=154|previous 
version of this page]].



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Re: [pydotorg-www] Performance Tips: outdated

[Mats Wichmann]

On 11/18/19 6:51 AM, Thomas Güttler wrote:

Hi,

this page is very outdated. It contains notes about Python 2.2 and 
Python 2.4.


It would be very kind if this page could get updated:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonSpeed/PerformanceTips#Profiling_Code


there's some contract work going on to update the wiki for the new 
reality that Python 3 is the only suggested work. Hopefully that will 
pick up part of this work, but if probably won't provide the kind of 
technical updating you're asking for.


the sort of generic response would be "it's a wiki, if you see a problem 
please make/propose changes".  I don't know if you're in a position to 
help with that...



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Re: [pydotorg-www] Improve documentation

[Mats Wichmann]

On 11/1/19 2:51 PM, אייל טרבלסי wrote:

Hi,
I recently stumbled upon https://wiki.python.org/moin/TimeComplexity and 
think it really lack the performance of the collections modules I 
created a medium article here and would love to update the docs as well


"here" - was there supposed to be a link?

updating this page would be useful, but it's had work by a number of 
Python "luminaries" (in the page history I see names like Aahz, Thomas 
Wouters, Andrew Kuchling and Fred Drake)... I wonder if it would be good 
to line up others to take a look at your updated conclusions as well?


do you have a wiki name set up? that's needed in order to add you as an 
editor.



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[pydotorg-www] wiki: WebFrameworks

[Mats Wichmann]

This page is a little funky:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks

It's divided into multiple sections:

Popular Full-Stack
Other Full-Stack
Popular Non Full-Stack
Other Non Full-Stack
Discontinued/Inactive

the first section is a table
the second section starts as a table, then has more entries as a list
the rest are lists

(btw in the first section one entry tries (apparently) to implement a 
list in one of the table cells, but that doesn't work in moin unless you 
load an add-on macro which we don't, apparently, have - see 
https://moinmo.in/MacroMarket/MiniPage - and that needs special syntax 
anyway)


Is this inconsistent appearance intentional, or is just the result of 
organic growth over time?  Who decides "popular" vs "other"? (hard to 
disagree with the three in Popular Full-Stack!). Is there any real value 
to keeping the discontinued ones?


I find the page too busy to be very useful, in common with a few others 
where too many entries is as unfortunate as too few, but I'm not finding 
myself motivated to spend tons of time cleaning it up; Web Frameworks 
aren't my space anyway. Would splitting it into two pages, like we do 
with Python Editors vs IDEs, be worthwhile? I ended up taking a look 
because someone (without the inclination to do edits themselves, sigh) 
emailed webmaster to suggest that Masonite needed a link on the website, 
and I suggested we could start with the Wiki...


-- mats
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[pydotorg-www] Fwd: [Webmaster] Spam on python.org/users/Annabelle-2-2017-watch-online/

[Mats Wichmann]

although the referenced page doesn't have live links, it's still 
dodgy... not sure who can address such - anyone?



 Forwarded Message 
Subject: [Webmaster] Spam on python.org/users/Annabelle-2-2017-watch-online/
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 18:04:55 +0100
From: Ralf Hildebrandt via Webmaster 
Reply-To: Ralf Hildebrandt 
To: webmas...@python.org

The Google webmaster console was reporting

  python.org/users/Annabelle-2-2017-watch-online/

as containing "spammy user-generated content":

Pages from this site appear to contain spammy user-generated content.
The problematic content may appear on forum pages, guestbook pages, or
user profiles.

To me it looks odd, but not spammy. I think it should be removed anyway.

Ralf Hildebrandt
Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin
Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk

Campus Benjamin Franklin (CBF)
Haus I | 1. OG | Raum 105
Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin

Tel. +49 30 450 570 155
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Wiki edits for Python 2 sunset

[Mats Wichmann]

On 10/17/19 9:32 AM, Greg Hendershott wrote:

Hi. I am working for Changeset Consulting who is helping the PSF with
the Python 2 "sunset". One task is to audit and update the wiki.

Would it be possible to add the following accounts to EditorsGroup,
please?

 FrancesHocutt
 GregHendershott
 JennyRyan


added.
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[pydotorg-www] there's no age gate on downloading, right?

[Mats Wichmann]

someone from Microsoft is asking (by mailing webmaster) this because of 
a project he's putting together for kids, and wants to be sure what he 
writes up will actually work.  I've never heard of there being anything 
that would check, or any reason to check for that matter, but he seems 
eager to have an absolute definitive answer.


-- mats
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing the Python Web Hosting pages

[Mats Wichmann]

On 9/24/19 2:29 PM, stanimir wrote:
Thank you, and I will add the note as advised - however, I am still 
unable to edit the pages in question. I just replied to Steve Holden 
about the same, but forgot to hit the Reply All.


try it now - I just added your wiki name.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Edit Python wiki - to change moin/SimplePrograms to compile on Python 3

[Mats Wichmann]

On 9/12/19 6:32 PM, Tadeu Borges Abreu Sampaio wrote:
> It is 
> tadeubas
> 
> Em Qui, 12 de set de 2019 20:48, Mats Wichmann  <mailto:m...@wichmann.us>> escreveu:
> 
> On 9/12/19 5:28 PM, Tadeu Borges Abreu Sampaio wrote:
> > Hi, I am new to the Python community and I am coding in Python 3,
> >
> > I am testing all of the codes on *SimplePrograms* page with Python 3,
> > there is minor changes that need to be done in order to the code to
> > compile. I could do that job!
> >
> > *Plz allow me to edit the wiki in order to update things to Python
> 3 or
> > correct minor things!*


you should be enabled to edit now.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Edit Python wiki - to change moin/SimplePrograms to compile on Python 3

[Mats Wichmann]

On 9/12/19 5:28 PM, Tadeu Borges Abreu Sampaio wrote:
> Hi, I am new to the Python community and I am coding in Python 3,
> 
> I am testing all of the codes on *SimplePrograms* page with Python 3,
> there is minor changes that need to be done in order to the code to
> compile. I could do that job!
> 
> *Plz allow me to edit the wiki in order to update things to Python 3 or
> correct minor things!*

we certainly welcome the contributions.

but we're going to need to know your wiki name in order to enable
editing privileges.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing the Python Web Hosting pages

[Mats Wichmann]

On 7/23/19 6:15 AM, stanimir wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Silly me - my username is StanimirDjevelekov.
> 
> I am thinking of alphabetical order, as both standard and fair for all
> the listed companies/providers - the only other option I can think of is
> the entries' last date of modification, but I don't think that it would
> be a better choice.

We have this issue on a number of other pages (in fact, we have some
past history of people (apparently) trying to improve their "search
rank" by moving their entry up).  Alphabetical is at least a fair, if
arbitrary, approach (waiting for somebody to rename their company
Best, paper-telephone-book style :)) ... do add a note to the effect
that the list should be kept alphabetised to avoid further confusion.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] issues logging in to wiki.python.org (server timeout)

[Mats Wichmann]

On 7/18/19 7:58 AM, Matt Callaghan wrote:
> Hm. OK. I've never once been able to login. I wonder if there are
> certain times of days or something that are broken and coincidentally
> I'm always trying during peak load?


Are you trying the regular wiki login, or one of the linked services
(openid)?  The latter seems to be what is causing trouble; the plain
text-based login seems to consistently work fine for me.

Hoping people who know more about the details of the infra have their
ears on...


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Re: [pydotorg-www] issues logging in to wiki.python.org (server timeout)

[Mats Wichmann]

On 7/11/19 8:13 AM, Matt Callaghan wrote:
> anyone else having login issues to wiki.python.org?

It's a known issue for a considerable while now.  Mitigating it requires
some infrastructure work that I'm not sure is scheduled.

Unfortunately the only advice we can give at this point is "keep trying" ...

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki Editing Request- Developer from Washington DC

[Mats Wichmann]

On 7/8/19 12:04 PM, matt_z...@myhsts.org wrote:
> I got lost. Nothing works. Pls verify my info
> 
> Name: MattZand
> password: xyz
> OpenID: hsts
> 
> email: mahdi...@gmail.com

best I can see, the name in the editors list is "hsts". It apparently
should be "MattZand", but that name is not in that list. Oddly, I can
see that a page was changed by MattZand:

2019-07-08
[https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide?action=diff]
BeginnersGuide  05:29   [INFO]  ?MattZand

so now I'm pretty confused too.  If the openid attached to a wiki
account can be in the list instead of the wiki name itself its news to
me (wouldn't be the first time)...  but apparently you were able to make
a change once? Is that right? And then a second page didn't work?


> 
> I tried another browser and it is the same.

it's not a browser issue.


Anybody know what's happening here?
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki Editing Request- Developer from Washington DC

[Mats Wichmann]

On 7/8/19 6:34 AM, matt_z...@myhsts.org wrote:
> Good Morning Steve,
> 
> When I go to the below page, it says immutable page and I can not edit it.
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/NonProgrammers
> 
> Can you give me access to edit this page? Also, can I create a profile
> page on Wiki?

I can't see that the page has any particular roles that would keep any
editor from editing.  It probably means you're not actually logged in...
or the wiki name that got entered into the editors list doesn't match
your real wiki name.

hsts is indeed the last entry in the editors file, so not quite sure

> 
> Thx,
> Matt
> 
> 
> Quoting Steve Holden :
> 
>> Thanks for taking an interest in the Wiki. You should now be an editor!
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Steve Holden
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 9:56 PM  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I like to have access to Python Wiki pages and do editing on Python
>>> training materials and pages like below:
>>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/NonProgrammers
>>>
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[pydotorg-www] Followup: Re: [Webmaster] Offensive content on page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 7/3/19 6:14 AM, Tara Hamilton wrote:
> Good Afternoon!
> 
> I’ve just been looking at your website and I came across this webpage:
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/AppsWithPythonScripting
> 
> Unfortunately, when I click the link ‘c/c++ user journal,’ it redirects
> me to a payday loan site.
> 
> I thought I should let you know so that you can remove the link.
> 
> With best regards,
> 
> Tara

So as a further followup, this has been going on in many places, and
most people are concluding it's a scam. It happened to come across a
different place I'm subscribed to... I'm not sure I'm suspicious enough
to completely endorse their conclusion, but here's what a part of the
gcc team responded - the report of their "bad links" were on sites that
mirror old libstdc++ content and are way out of date (the official pages
have long since had the reference to the expired site removed). Do we
deserve praise or blame for reacting more politely, I wonder?  :)

Just FYI to people who reacted to our go-round with this.

-- mats


===

>
> Good Afternoon!
>
> I’ve just been looking at your website and I came across these webpages:

[snip]

> I thought I should let you know so that you can remove the link.

As I'm sure you realise, we can't remove the links because they're not
on our website. Please stop this link farming, your site has already
been reported to google so will not get any boost in page rank from
your pathetic attempts to promote it.

Also, your pathetic attempts to create links from the mailing list
archives don't even work because the links get removed, see:

https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2019-07/msg00050.html
https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2019-07/msg00051.html

You're getting blocked from posting to our lists now, goodbye.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] website: something is weird

[Mats Wichmann]

On 6/2/19 5:15 PM, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> On 6/2/19 5:00 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 8:51 AM Mats Wichmann  wrote:
...
>>> Just now, something has gone strange.  I get a garbled page which is
>>> headed by this:
>>>
>>> Notice: While Javascript is not essential for this website, your
>>> interaction with the content will be limited. Please turn Javascript on
>>> for the full experience.
>>>
>>
>> I'm not seeing that problem, but I've heard reports from around the
>> internet of various outages affecting a lot of different services, and
>> I'm wondering if perhaps a critical library failed to download. The
>> site appears to use jQuery from googleapis.com, so if there's any sort
>> of failure accessing that (I've heard hints that suggest possible DNS
>> failures??), that could break the whole site.
> 
> I've poked around a bit, it hasn't broken the whole site.  Indeed,
> python.org's homepage looks fine and is using javascript (confirmed by
> looking at page source, although there was little doubt from the way it
> behaves).  So jquery seems like a good guess...

Just to follow up, everything looks normal today.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] website: something is weird

[Mats Wichmann]

On 6/2/19 5:00 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 8:51 AM Mats Wichmann  wrote:
>>
>>
>> I look at the downloads page a lot as one of the volunteers on the
>> "webmaster" alias people ask questions about downloads all the time
>> (yes, we have an auto-response that points to more official resources,
>> but we try to be nice as well :)
>>
>> Just now, something has gone strange.  I get a garbled page which is
>> headed by this:
>>
>> Notice: While Javascript is not essential for this website, your
>> interaction with the content will be limited. Please turn Javascript on
>> for the full experience.
>>
> 
> I'm not seeing that problem, but I've heard reports from around the
> internet of various outages affecting a lot of different services, and
> I'm wondering if perhaps a critical library failed to download. The
> site appears to use jQuery from googleapis.com, so if there's any sort
> of failure accessing that (I've heard hints that suggest possible DNS
> failures??), that could break the whole site.

I've poked around a bit, it hasn't broken the whole site.  Indeed,
python.org's homepage looks fine and is using javascript (confirmed by
looking at page source, although there was little doubt from the way it
behaves).  So jquery seems like a good guess...




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[pydotorg-www] website: something is weird

[Mats Wichmann]

I look at the downloads page a lot as one of the volunteers on the
"webmaster" alias people ask questions about downloads all the time
(yes, we have an auto-response that points to more official resources,
but we try to be nice as well :)

Just now, something has gone strange.  I get a garbled page which is
headed by this:

Notice: While Javascript is not essential for this website, your
interaction with the content will be limited. Please turn Javascript on
for the full experience.


Javascript is certainly not disabled in my browser, lots of other
javascripty things are working fine (Firefox dropped the UI to even
disable it many releases ago, though it's still possible if you follow
instructions off the internet).


I'm assuming something else that is blocked here is causing a problem -
or - heaven forfend, just some kind of bug...

Anybody else see this?  Any ideas?

actually, I just went somewhere else on the website by opening a saved
tab, and see the same:

https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0287/

so I amended the subject line before sending this
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Re: [pydotorg-www] python2 EoL wiki "Python2orPython3"

[Mats Wichmann]

On 5/21/19 4:00 PM, Steve Holden wrote:

> My own personal preference would be to wave a respectful goodbye to 2.7
> from the (Python core) developer community, with encouragement to all
> who aspire to the open source ethic to continue to breathe life into
> those bits that remain useful. Probably the same question should be
> debated within the PSF more broadly, since the Foundation might well be
> prepared to act as a continued conduit for support to the Python 2
> community.
> 
> The main thrust should definitely be "only if you absolutely have to,
> for well-defined reasons

and more

> >
> > The simplest solution I see is to add a "top header / block" that
> says the summary of:
> > "It is Python3 going forward, officially as of Jan2020. This page
> is largely out of date, but kept for historical reference as it
> provides value for maintaining legacy Python2 systems."
> >
> 
> I can't speak for everyone, only myself. Personally, I think the page
> should basically say "use Python 3 unless you're maintaining legacy
> code", with some elaborating information; other people may have other
> preferred pitches.
obviously it's going to be an opinionated thing. and the wiki is fine
for that (to an extent), I don't think we need to worry quite as much
about "what policy does the PSF want to follow" here before even getting
started... and if someone takes offense "we" can just edit it some more.

So I'd say if there's an editor who feels strongly about improving it,
just go ahead and improve it. and then we can look at it and react. It's
possible to subscribe to page changes, which I do, I'll pop up with
something if I think it's worth it.

In My So Vey Humble Opinion, any efforts to keep pages current are
better than waiting around to get lots of people to agree minute details
and as a result things staying stale... stale being always a wiki risk
anyways.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] About translation

[Mats Wichmann]

On 5/6/19 7:06 AM, The FLOSS Information wrote:
> I have a GitHub account, but is CC0 used for English translations? Also,
> where can I find files with the ".po" extension?

people on those mailing lists should be able to help.

>  
> 06.05.2019, 00:06, "Mats Wichmann" :
> 
> On 5/5/19 1:38 PM, Steve Holden wrote:
> 
>  The PSF has a documentation group who will, I am sure, be
> delighted to
>  welcome you into the community and help you make plans for your
> translation.
> 
>  I'm not actually sure whether you'd be better talking to doc-sig
>  (https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/doc-sig) or the docs list
>  (https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/docs. A glimpse at the
>  archives indicates the latter is rather more active, so
> probably start
>  there.
> 
> 
> on the other hand, doc-sig has had all its recent discussions be
> specifically about translations.
> 
> Please read this as a starting point:
> 
> https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0545/
>  
> 

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Re: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] About translation

[Mats Wichmann]

On 5/5/19 1:38 PM, Steve Holden wrote:
> The PSF has a documentation group who will, I am sure, be delighted to
> welcome you into the community and help you make plans for your translation.
> 
> I'm not actually sure whether you'd be better talking to doc-sig
> (https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/doc-sig) or the docs list
> (https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/docs. A glimpse at the
> archives indicates the latter is rather more active, so probably start
> there.

on the other hand, doc-sig has had all its recent discussions be
specifically about translations.

Please read this as a starting point:

https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0545/

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Code of Conduct for wiki usage?

[Mats Wichmann]

> For the CoC issue, and if it does or does not violate the CoC, I think you
> should fire this off to p...@python.org.  This is where I don't like
> intentionally vague guidelines.  Yes, they stop schoolkid rule lawyering,
> but it does mean we depend on adjudicators quite a bit.

There's never been anything easy about preventing abuse, every approach
has its problems - as a large number of problems have found out over the
past few years as it seems to have gotten more popular to complain about
bad actors (we always _used_ to say "don't feed the trolls", I think
it's become more recognized that approach is not really sufficient).

in any case, if we believe wiki contributions are covered by the CoC I
believe the wiki should say so explicitly. As Chris noted in starting
this iteration of the thread, it doesn't.  The front page doesn't, the
editing guidelines has some bullets but doesn't reference the CoC by
name.  Editors ought to be told...

Also while I agree a CoC should not be too specific, I really think this
one is too non-specific, as it doesn't say you have to follow it.

"When you're working with members of the community, we encourage you to
follow these guidelines"

That's a PSF matter, of course, but just sayin'



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Re: [pydotorg-www] Edition request for the WebFrameworks wiki

[Mats Wichmann]

On 2/10/19 4:01 PM, Florimond Manca wrote:
> I just made the change, thanks!
> 
> I was wondering — how relevant would it be to create a separate section for 
> asynchronous frameworks?
> 
> There is actually quite a few of them. Some are in the list already (Quart, 
> Sanic, and now Bocadillo) and some not yet (Starlette, Responder, Vibora, 
> Japronto, etc.).
> 
> Perhaps it would be better to set them apart in a section called « 
> Asynchronous frameworks » or similar. I’m not sure whether there should be a 
> distinction between fullstack/non-fullstack since all existing async 
> frameworks are quite « micro ».

Given the "you're either in the non-async world or you're in the async
world" nature exposed by your first point, why don't you just go for it?
It's a wiki, if people hate it it can just be changed again.

Less clear on fullstack/non-fullstack distinction, maybe others have
opinions? (or you could elaborate further?)
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Want to be added to the editors group

[Mats Wichmann]

On 1/26/19 1:08 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 7:02 PM letsfindcourse  
> wrote:
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> I  want to edit the page but I am unable to edit that. So can you please 
>> allow me to edit the page.
>> My wiki name : letsfindcourse
>>
>> Thank you
>> Letsfindcourse
> 
> I'm 85% confident that this is legit (with language barrier, possibly
> Indian) and 15% dubious that this is SEO spam.

85/15 is a bit lean for the best burgers, 70/30 is the way to go.

I guess we'll find out!!! :)


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Pakt Publishing using wiki for SEO

[Mats Wichmann]

On 1/2/19 3:50 AM, Steve Holden wrote:
> I'd agree this is abuse. We should revert the content to include the
> deleted links, and stop these automated updates.
> 
> regards
> Steve Holden
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 10:22 AM M.-A. Lemburg  wrote:
> 
>> I don't know if you are aware, but Pakt has been publishing (apparently)
>> their complete list of Python books on the wiki, adding new titles
>> to the top of the page in an apparently automated way:
>>
>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks
>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks?action=info
>>
>> Not only that, but they removed older entries from the page:
>>
>>
>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks?action=info_count=100=200
>>
>> e.g. the Python Cookbook is no longer listed.
>>
>> I don't think the purpose of the wiki should be SEO and even less
>> removing competitor links.
>>
>> I think we should take action here, e.g. restore the old version of
>> the page and add a single link to the Pakt website instead of
>> the current endless list of entries.
>>
>> Thoughts ?
>>
>> --
>> Marc-Andre Lemburg

Certainly, content should not be removed, that may have been a mistake
maybe?

Do we have firm guidelines on where to add a new entry if you're adding
to a list?  By date of entry (i.e. top or bottom)? Alphabetical? etc.  I
believe a few wiki pages do state a preference, but the book pages of
today do not.  I don't look at books any longer, but scanning over the
introductory and andvanced books pages leaves me with the impression
this would not be very useful to anyone, it's just a seemingly endless
list with no organization at all.  It's better where the top page splits
out specialist topics, but there probably aren't enough of those buckets
now, and Packt seem happy to put everything on the advanced page... I
just tried a couple of links there and they 404, so they're not even
current, sigh:

Learn Computer Vision with Python and OpenCV [Video]
Learning Vue.js 2.0

... the former sounds pretty specialized, the latter doesn't even sound
like a Python book.

Just wondering if in addition to nudging Packt again, we can maybe help
out a bit with organizational ideas?  I don't have any specific idea for
presenting a long list of books in a better way.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Logins on wiki.python.org don't seem to be working

[Mats Wichmann]

On 1/1/19 3:24 PM, Christer Enfors wrote:
> I'm trying to login using Chrome on Linux, but I keep getting gateway
> timeout messages. I think this is the email address to which one should
> report such problems?

Gott nytt år!

The timeout seems to be occurring a lot. so we do "know about it", I'm
not sure anyone was yet convinced it wasn't just transient busy-ness.

I think this is evidence there is something that does need attention.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] need edit access

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On 12/21/18 5:50 AM, shu...@everdata.com wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have registered on the python wiki and need edit access on this following 
> username and email address.
> 
> Username:- shubhivijay
> 
> Email address:- shu...@everdata.com
> 
> thanks 

you should be good to go now.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Edit Python Listing

[Mats Wichmann]

On 12/20/18 10:00 AM, Jody Nelson wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> 
> I am trying to edit our listing on:
> 
> 
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTraining
> 
> 
> We need to change our company name, as that has changed recently and the 
> duration of the python courses as well:

If you tell us your wiki name, we can give you edit rights.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Permission to edit PythonDebuggingTools

[Mats Wichmann]

On 11/11/18 4:43 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'd like to edit https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonDebuggingTools to add a
> row birdseye (https://github.com/alexmojaki/birdseye) to the last table. My
> wiki username is alexmojaki.
> 
> Thanks,
> Alex

you should be good to go now.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Editing Permissions

[Mats Wichmann]

On 11/4/18 4:07 AM, David Beazley wrote:
> Can I get editing permissions back for DavidBeazley?   I'd like to edit some 
> of my entries for Python Training and such.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave

All set. Welcome (welcome back, I guess).


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