Re: [Python-Dev] memcmp performance

CFLAGS. In the same stretch, stuff like this needs to be documented. Package maintainers cannot be expected to follow each and every mailinglist's posts for nuggets of information like this. Been there, done that, it's impossible to keep track. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai

Re: [Python-Dev] Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream

or DragonFly BSD are doing, but it will be along these lines as well. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Ain't gonna spend the rest of my Life, quietly fading away

Re: [Python-Dev] Snakebite, buildbot and low hanging fruit -- feedback wanted! (Was Re: SSH access against buildbot boxes)

Python users/coders and would like to resolve any issues. By default FreeBSD 7, at least, has limits on semaphores and the likes, but those can be expanded. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http

Re: [Python-Dev] Too many open files errors on x86 FreeBSD 7.2 3.x buildbot

unless someone manually edits the file to up the SEM_MAX define. The same goes for FreeBSD 8.0. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Nothing yet from nothing ever came

Re: [Python-Dev] Stable build slaves authority

. Sorry Martin, haven't had the time at work to test the latest trunks out with just the SDK. I'll see if I can free some time for that in the coming days. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http

Re: [Python-Dev] python.org going down?

problems yesterday at least. I am not sure if it would explain this behaviour, might be one of the uplinks or peers had some issues. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B

Re: [Python-Dev] Distutils2 scripts

stuff. I just wanted to make sure that once distutils2 is back in the stdlib, it's OK for us to add that script in the distribution. No problem from my side, I do, however, not speak for the developers at large of course. ;) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai

Re: [Python-Dev] Distutils2 scripts

would it look like for multiple Python distributions that are installed? -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B To the dull mind nature is leaden. To the illumined mind

Re: [Python-Dev] issue 9807 - a glitch in coexisting builds of different types

to the hints file. So ending a shared object with the build flags will cause problems on FreeBSD and probably the other BSDs (DragonFly, NetBSD, OpenBSD) and most likely Mac OS X as well. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in

Re: [Python-Dev] issue 9807 - a glitch in coexisting builds of different types

Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Looking for the Sun that eclipsed behind black feathered wings... ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python

Re: [Python-Dev] issue 9807 - a glitch in coexisting builds of different types

? Install in the same place. So you either install a debug build or a stripped build. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B The fragrance always stays in the hand that gives

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: i18n

does not exist ja_JP: ORA-00942: 表またはビューが存在しません。 -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B When you meet a master in the street, do not speak, do not be silent. Then how

Re: [Python-Dev] mingw support?

with also using the free-as-in-beer closed compiler provided by the vendor of that OS. You don't even need VS Express. Install Windows SDK 7.1 and the compilers are supplied with it. Less clutter if you prefer the command line. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai

Re: [Python-Dev] mingw support?

have not tried it myself (yet). -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection

Re: [Python-Dev] Removing IDLE from the standard library

for training (and since you're going to set up a training environment anyway, it can only be described as lazy if you are adamant on having it included in the base distribution). Just my EUR 0,02. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http

Re: [Python-Dev] Enhanced tracker privileges for dangerjim to do triage.

, as changing the default is likely to be a longer discussion...) Be careful. Trackers are often hit by spam bots which change random form field values. I cannot from memory recall whether or not we had this issue on either the tracker tracker or Python's tracker. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376

, have quite some different hier(7) requirements, most notably that /usr/local is used. So is your intent to have a PEP solely for Linux systems? -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG

Re: [Python-Dev] code.python.org - random 403 errors

://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Mercurial/Getting_Started seems to aim at explaining.) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B A wise man that walks in the dark

Re: [Python-Dev] ffi junk messages

--with-system-ffi at least. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Grabbing at angels when I fall, for all my demons to applaud, I am free

Re: [Python-Dev] ffi junk messages

to the platform, and the knowledge about the platform details. No it is not actually. Mark and me found the culprit in the Python tree. Commit incoming. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Update xml.etree.ElementTree for Python 2.7 and 3.2

have put a bit more effort into maintaining it in the first place. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B In this short time of promise, you're a memory

Re: [Python-Dev] Update xml.etree.ElementTree for Python 2.7 and 3.2

will stick to the procedure when integrating ElementTree. I'm not willing to break this promise. Honourable and I can understand that. Although it doesn't make it flexible to work on. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in

Re: [Python-Dev] Update xml.etree.ElementTree for Python 2.7 and 3.2

been touched in over three years. I can understand giving special consideration to maintainers, but that would imply they actually maintain something, no? -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http

Re: [Python-Dev] Add UTC to 2.7 (PyCon sprint idea)

-On [20100217 23:48], s...@pobox.com (s...@pobox.com) wrote: My guess is the data are updated several times per year, not the code. Can they not be separated? The bulk of the original timezone package is data for the timezones. Last year saw close to 26 releases for this. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van

Re: [Python-Dev] Add UTC to 2.7 (PyCon sprint idea)

. And that will probably mean Mac OS X as well, if they stuck to what FreeBSD had in place for that. Can anyone verify that? -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Anything becomes possible

Re: [Python-Dev] PYTHON3PATH

or both.) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B For ever, brother, hail and farewell... ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Package install failures in 2.6.3

support, which have been open for more than a year. Personally I consider setuptools unmaintained and have started moving my projects over to Distribute. So, if you decide to wait, make sure to put a deadline on it. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック

Re: [Python-Dev] Fast Implementation for ZIP decryption

? For example, SQLAlchemy runs in the 5 MB range. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B All for one, one for all... ___ Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Support for Encrypted Zip as python scripts

the relevant bits in the repository. So I wonder how applicable the entire US export restriction still is nowadays. In short: I don't think we have much to worry about. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Setting up a buildbot

-On [20090822 21:30], Paul Moore (p.f.mo...@gmail.com) wrote: I've just had a look on python.org, but couldn't immediately see a pointer to instructions on what the process is to set up a buildbot. http://wiki.python.org/moin/BuildBot comes to mind. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3144: IP Address Manipulation Library for the Python Standard Library

-On [20090820 20:19], Peter Moody (pe...@hda3.com) wrote: I've updated the pep with lots of examples; most of the stuff you're asking for is already supported, I just didn't do a good job explaining it. A few things are pending review. Thanks for that Peter! -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3144: IP Address Manipulation Library for the Python Standard Library

by the last paragraph of your PEP, but it would be nice to know what you consider essential and what not. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B They have learned nothing

Re: [Python-Dev] ndPython: I NEED TO TALK WITH ONE OF THE PYTHON CORE

game data. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Friendship is love without wings... ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 : Changing the .egg-info structure

. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B What's one man's poison, is another's meat or drink... ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Switchover: mail.python.org

-checkins AFAICT. Yes, the current batches are arriving with personilization again. I don't mind either way, just thought a heads up was warranted. ;) Thanks Barry, -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http

Re: [Python-Dev] Switchover: mail.python.org

different now. So people might want to adjust any filtering. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B The reverse side also has a reverse side

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 382: Namespace Packages

that spring to mind are the mx.* and ll.* packages. The rest simply create their own namespace as package.*, but there's nothing that uses that same namespace and installs separately from the base package that I know of. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 382: Namespace Packages

.*, themetweaker.*, zc.*, z3c.*, zgeo.*, z3ext.*, etc. Can be fairly said, though, that the majority of those you just named are related to Zope? That would explain why I won't know of them as I avoid Zope like the plague. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 382: Namespace Packages

, which is it? More fool you... Maybe, used/worked with it and don't care for it one iota. But that's a whole different discussion. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B

Re: [Python-Dev] a suggestion ... Re: PEP 383 (again)

) import os open(x,w).close() open(b\xff,w).close() os.listdir(.) ['x', '\xff'] [Apologies if that was completely clear through the entire discussion, but I've lost track at a given point.] -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http

Re: [Python-Dev] UTF-8 Decoder

, but the tiny case (just Bjoern's name) is quite a tad bit slower. The other cases seems more typical of what the average use in Python would be. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 383: Non-decodable Bytes in System Character Interfaces

to Unicode. Aside from that I also have the fair share of audio files which have the names/descriptions in the respective script (Thai, Korean, Chinese, Taiwanese, Japanese, and so on). -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue5434: datetime.monthdelta

of Python so people can beat on it, flush out bugs, make suggestions for enhancements, whatever. I think people should look at mx.DateTime a bit, including its documentation. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org

[Python-Dev] UTF-8 Decoder

[Note: I haven't looked thoroughly at our handling yet, so hence I raise the question.] This got posted on the Unicode list, does it seem interesting for Python itself, the UTF-8 to UTF-16 transcoding might be? http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de/utf-8/decoder/dfa/ -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven

[Python-Dev] py3k build erroring out on fileio?

: don't know how to make ./Modules/_fileio.c. Stop [Will log an issue if it turns out to, indeed, be a problem with the tree and not me.] -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG

Re: [Python-Dev] py3k build erroring out on fileio?

-On [20090409 15:41], Benjamin Peterson (benja...@python.org) wrote: It seems your Makefile is outdated. We moved the _fileio.c module around a few days, so maybe you just need a make distclean. Yes, that was the cause. Thanks Benjamin. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai

Re: [Python-Dev] http://bugs.python.org/issue2240

. Are the tests going ok there? If so, then I shouldn't worry about the 6 branch. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel

Re: [Python-Dev] Evaluated cmake as an autoconf replacement

care for my opinion. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B I must be cruel, only to be kind... ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] Formatting mini-language suggestion

van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Any road leads to the end of the world... ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http

Re: [Python-Dev] A suggestion: Do proto-PEPs in Google Docs

/ -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Earth to earth, ashes to ashes, dust to dust... ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Attention Bazaar mirror users

-On [20090221 21:30], Barry Warsaw (ba...@python.org) wrote: I think no matter what DVCS gets chosen Isn't that getting ahead of the game? I thought that the choice whether or not a DVCS gets chosen is part of that PEP? -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン

[Python-Dev] Pycon and Randall Munroe

Whoever thought this one up [1], thank you for making me almost choke on my meal due to laughing fits. :-) [1] http://pycon.blogspot.com/2009/02/randall-munroe.html -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.0.1

it is in pkgsrc also by now. Might even be that it is part of FreeBSD's 7.1-RELEASE. So I reckon with 'distro' you were speaking of Linux only? -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.0.1

influence the C extension? If so, then I think a minor number update (3.1) is more warranted than a revision number update (3.0.1). -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B

Re: [Python-Dev] Support for the Haiku OS

that Python would work out of the box, more or less. So the cost of adding and maintaining it in the main repository should not be a big overhaul or anything. Just as a FYI. :) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in

Re: [Python-Dev] Support for the Haiku OS

time only'. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Earth to earth, ashes to ashes, dust to dust... ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] [Py3k] curses module and libncursesw library

-On [20090108 02:23], Victor Stinner (victor.stin...@haypocalc.com) wrote: It looks like libncursesw is available on Linux, *BSD, Mac OS X. On FreeBSD I know it is for 7.x, but I am not sure about 6.x. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5.3: call for patches

Raymond's closing the issue is the logical thing to do. Apologies for wasting those few minutes. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Nothing is more honorable than

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5.3: call for patches

comment) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Ignorance is the opportunity to learn... ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] bsddb alternative (was Re: [issue3769] Deprecate bsddb for removal in 3.0)

the ramifications of taking it out... And having to install bsddb from an external source disables your use, how? -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Infinite Dreams, I can't deny

Re: [Python-Dev] bsddb alternative (was Re: [issue3769] Deprecate bsddb for removal in 3.0)

ports. I think Apple did the same for Mac OS X. ports/databases/py-bsddb ports/databases/py-bsddb3 So for a fair number of systems the 'bsddb' module being an external package/dependency is already true. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP: Consolidating names and classes in the `unittest` module (updated 2008-07-15)

also find the assert* syntax preferable over fail*. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B If I am telling you the Truth now, do you believe

Re: [Python-Dev] urllib.quote and unquote - Unicode issues

-8 for a number of reasons, including that's what other software such as web browsers use. Very nice, I had this somewhere on my todo list to work on. I'm very much in favour, especially since it synchronizes us with the RFCs (for all I remember reading about it last time). -- Jeroen Ruigrok van

Re: [Python-Dev] UCS2/UCS4 default

, but rather as UCS-2, when it comes to using said strings with core functions and modules. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B For wouldst thou not carve at my Soul

Re: [Python-Dev] UCS2/UCS4 default

, because that will ultimately lead to more confusion due to the difference in results when dealing with Unicode. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Believe in Angels

Re: [Python-Dev] UCS2/UCS4 default

(a CJK ideograph). -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards

Re: [Python-Dev] UCS2/UCS4 default

: In the J2SE API documentation, Unicode code point is used for character values in the range between U+ and U+10, and Unicode code unit is used for 16-bit char values that are code units of the UTF-16 encoding. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック

Re: [Python-Dev] UCS2/UCS4 default

the entire string anyway). Those would be welcome already, yes. I'll see if I can help out. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Fallen into ever-mourn, with these wings

Re: [Python-Dev] UCS2/UCS4 default

the chances for inclusion in Python be if such a PEP + code would be presented Guido? -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Beware of the fury of the patient man

Re: [Python-Dev] UCS2/UCS4 default

code units in the range 0xd800-0xdfff are ill-formed. (D91 from Unicode 5.0/5.1, section 3.9) So, no, it is not a code point too. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B

Re: [Python-Dev] UCS2/UCS4 default

approach. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Knowledge comes, but Wisdom lingers... ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev

[Python-Dev] UCS2/UCS4 default

. See also http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0261/ for background for the 2001 options. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Expansion of happiness is the purpose of life

Re: [Python-Dev] UCS2/UCS4 default

to the BMP only. So you are saying it's UTF-16 nowadays? For both 2.6 and 3.0? -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Nature does nothing uselessly

Re: [Python-Dev] UCS2/UCS4 default

that means that a Python 3 with only 2 byte Unicode support is not to be used/recommended for Unicode outside of the BMP. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Tomorrow's

Re: [Python-Dev] UCS2/UCS4 default

encountered? -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Learn from the past -- don't wear it like a yoke around your neck... ___ Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Invitation to try out open source code review tool

-On [20080505 05:38], Guido van Rossum ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: http://code.google.com/p/rietveld/source/browse Is it a reference to Gerrit Rietveld (Dutch architect and furniture designer)? I guess the architect part would make sense for a code review tool. :) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der

Re: [Python-Dev] urllib unicode handling

). Then later Armin Ronacher warned me that you still have to URL-escape these things in order to not be in lala-land. Would people object if such functionality got added to urllib? -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Tonight your soul sleeps, but one day you will feel real pain, maybe then you will see me as I am: a fragile wreck on a storm of emotion

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

-adequate platform.architecture()[0]. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Be yourself is all that you can do. ___ Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Detecting 64bit Windows (was RE: Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008)

on 64-bits Windows non-working, at least where it concerns easy_install. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B The taller the bamboo grows, the lower it bends. - Chinese

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

doubt you'd want this (the libraries) to roam with the user. See http://download.microsoft.com/download/3/b/a/3ba6d659-6e39-4cd7-b3a2-9c96482f5353/Managing%20Roaming%20User%20Data%20Deployment%20Guide.doc for more background. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

thank us for that in the long term. I'm +1 on just using $HOME/.local, but otherwise $HOME/.python makes sense too. $HOME/.python.d doesn't do it for me, too clunky (and hardly used if I look at my .files in $HOME). But I agree with Steve that it should be a hidden directory. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

-- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B The only source of knowledge is experience... ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

extension code it will be 64-bit compiled, thus not working on 32-bits Windows. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusions

Re: [Python-Dev] Known doctest bug with unicode?

. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Confutatis maledictis, flammis acribus addictis... ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] unscriptable?

even clearer to me. +1 -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B It is necessary to be noble, and yet take humility as a basis. It is necessary to be exalted, and yet take

[Python-Dev] Known doctest bug with unicode?

Is it a known doctest bug that when you have a dict with Unicode key values that doctest dies with a KeyError? When I excute my code from the regular python interpreter it works as expected. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed unittest changes

-On [20080417 19:46], Terry Reedy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Have you or are you going to make these changes or should I open a separate tracker issue? You can always put it on my account in the tracker (asmodai) and I'll get to it in the coming days. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai

Re: [Python-Dev] mmap.flush [was: NeedsReview keyword]

-On [20080415 23:37], Ralf Schmitt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: The documentation for mmap.flush does not even mention a return value. Fixed in revision 62359. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6a2 execution times with various compilers

be interesting I think. I went with -fprofile-generate and -fprofile-use in my small test. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ Put your heart, mind, intellect and soul even to your

Re: [Python-Dev] Reserving an arg space for Jython

wonder why it couldn't have been changed then instead of spending another email on the subject. :P tongue firmly planted in cheek -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ Without you, I am

[Python-Dev] configure on FreeBSD 7

/threadmodule.c; $(CC) $(PY_CFLAGS) -c $(srcdir)/Modules/threadmodule.c -o Modules/threadmodule.o As you can see, some spurious 'thread' mentions got inserted. Apparently this section is made by makedepend. Has anyone else encountered this? -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai

Re: [Python-Dev] configure on FreeBSD 7

-On [20080412 09:32], Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Apparently this section is made by makedepend. I had no updates for makedepend or autotools, but somewhere along the full upgrade of all my ports makedepend suddenly started to behave, so some dependency must have

[Python-Dev] weird configure (autotools) setup

will not detect any problems with them. You will only encounter this when you start building. So is there any rationale for all this? -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ Contentment

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6a2 execution times with various compilers

, it pushed about the same kind of optimization as the mtune/march combination. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ All know that the drop merges into the ocean but few know that the ocean

[Python-Dev] Python 2.6a2 execution times with various compilers

people with an added performance edge when using Python. In short: I measured a speedup between ~21%-29% with ICC compared to GCC. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ I was searching

Re: [Python-Dev] editing the docs

. But this question is really dependent on what you think works best. Some prefer command line tools, others graphical tools. Just try a few and see what you personally find to work nicely enough. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in

Re: [Python-Dev] FreeBSD test suite failure - curses

in PyCurses_getsyx (self=0x0) at /usr/home/asmodai/projects/python/Modules/_cursesmodule.c:1770 1770 getsyx(y, x); (gdb) print newscr $3 = (WINDOW *) 0x0 If you have any specific debug guidance, please feel free to give so. :) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org

Re: [Python-Dev] FreeBSD test suite failure - curses

. The failure might be from closing stdout, e.g., if it was redirected. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ We've laid together in the sun before the mind-rape has begun

Re: [Python-Dev] Windows build bot failure

-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg50725.html) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | http://www.rangaku.org/ Atone me to my throes curtail... ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python

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