[ql-users] Quanta website
Is there no-one working on the Quanta website? I wanted to double check the details of the Byfleet Quanta workshop on 25 September - but not a mention of _any_ future shows, not even the major QL show in Portsmouth coming up! It is all old information, and it is a very bad advert for the group. Even the AGM date is not mentioned, and that was announced recently. I have also not had a reply to my emailshot request for an advert, so I can only assume they are not involved or coming. I am therefore calling the Byfleet show a "QL Workshop" Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM
- Original Message - From: "David Tubbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM One of my Quanta jobs is to co-ordinate show dates - pity Quanta doesn't set an example by informing me of their plans! Best Wishes, Geoff The AGM 200g will be held on weekwnd of 8th April. That is the week before Easter, the next after that is St George's Day and the next after that is the May Bank Holiday so it is really the only one available. >Just in case no one else replies, there is at the moment no date fixed for the >2006 Quanta AGM. If not the same Hymn sheet, perhaps his & hers sheets ?? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/91 - Release Date: 06/09/2005 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM
The AGM 200g will be held on weekwnd of 8th April. That is the week before Easter, the next after that is St George's Day and the next after that is the May Bank Holiday so it is really the only one available. >Just in case no one else replies, there is at the moment no date fixed for the >2006 Quanta AGM. If not the same Hymn sheet, perhaps his & hers sheets ?? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/91 - Release Date: 06/09/2005 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM
- Original Message - From: "Tony Firshman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 5:55 PM Subject: [ql-users] Quanta AGM Just in case no one else replies, there is at the moment no date fixed for the 2006 Quanta AGM. There will be an invitation for local groups to make their bids in the next Quanta Magazine due out later this month. This should have been in the last issue, but that was a bit of an emergency issue given the absence of an editor. Having just written that, if everything that we have discussed gets into the next issue, it should be a good one. Mainly devoted to Quanta matters prior to QL is 21. I agree we should really try to fix AGM details up to 12 months in advance. At the moment there are no plans I know of for any shows in 2006, so first come, first served. Unofficially, what's the betting we could be talking Manchester late April, but not 15th/16th as that is Easter? (I'm going to be told off for that!) Best Wishes, Geoff Is there a date for the 2006 Quanta AGM? I can't believe it is not fixed, but the site only shows this year's AGM! It really does need to be fixed to stop clashes in shows. Last year I was in the USA on the date of the AGM. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM
Tony The AGM 200g will be held on weekwnd of 8th April. That is the week before Easter, the next after that is St George's Day and the next after that is the May Bank Holiday so it is really the only one available. Regards Sarah - Original Message - From: "Tony Firshman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 5:55 PM Subject: [ql-users] Quanta AGM Is there a date for the 2006 Quanta AGM? I can't believe it is not fixed, but the site only shows this year's AGM! It really does need to be fixed to stop clashes in shows. Last year I was in the USA on the date of the AGM. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] Quanta AGM
Is there a date for the 2006 Quanta AGM? I can't believe it is not fixed, but the site only shows this year's AGM! It really does need to be fixed to stop clashes in shows. Last year I was in the USA on the date of the AGM. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] Quanta membership renewal
Please excuse my use of this forum for the following message to any quanta members who may be monitoring this users list: With the June/July 2005 issue of Quanta Magazine, those members who normally renew in July will have received a "Renewal Due" letter which requests that you complete the attached form and return it to me with your subscription. Unfortunately, the printer omitted to enclose the form. Please follow whichever step is most convenient to you: 1)Please send me your cheque with your full name and address on the back - or write your name and address on the back of the renewal letter and forward it with your cheque to me in the usual way. I will make out the forms upon receipt of your cheque. 2)If you wish to pay by credit card, post your card details to me and I will make a form out on receipt. 3)Email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will email you a form to use in the usual way. 4)Ring me to discuss what to do, on - 0161 - 865 2872 Please accept my apologies and those of the printer for this error and any inconvenience caused. What we DON'T want you to do is not renew your membership. Thank you. John Gilpin. Quanta Membership Secretary. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] Quanta Magazine
QL is 2! (See page two of Quanta) I can see why they used an exclamation mark, no one thought it would last that long. John Taylor. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM 2005
On Mon, 9 May 2005 at 23:14:35, Roy wood wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes I have at last got around to getting the show photos on line: http://firshman.co.uk/showphotos/Quanta-agm2005/ I need help with a couple of names. Well that was Barbara not Julia! Whoops - of course it is. sorry, Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM 2005
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes I have at last got around to getting the show photos on line: http://firshman.co.uk/showphotos/Quanta-agm2005/ I need help with a couple of names. Well that was Barbara not Julia! -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 skype : royqbranch web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM 2005
On Mon, 9 May 2005 at 21:12:10, hitchies wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) Re: I have an address label he gave me in an old diary at home, but that's in Wicklow 200 miles from here while the house his being done up.. :-(( Darren ... and quite a few have told me it is John Moody Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM 2005
Re: I have an address label he gave me in an old diary at home, but that's in Wicklow 200 miles from here while the house his being done up.. :-(( Darren Serves you right you rampant two-house capitalist! ;) John in Wales PS I'm chuckling about the RSM at Sandhurst who, when asked about "Wales'" impending period under his supervision said, "I shall call him 'sir'! and he shall call me 'sir'. The difference is - he will mean it!" (J in W. Ex very junior staff, Sandhurst) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 06/05/2005 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: [ql-users] Quanta AGM 2005
Arrrggg... I have been wrecking my head as to this customers name. He has bought a lot of stuff from me in the past, but his name escapes me. I have an address label he gave me in an old diary at home, but that's in Wicklow 200 miles from here while the house his being done up.. :-(( Darren. -Original Message- From: Tony Firshman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 May 2005 14:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM 2005 On Mon, 9 May 2005 at 00:11:02, John Southern wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >On Monday 09 May 2005 00:04, Tony Firshman wrote: >> I need help with a couple of names. > >Unknown. I am forgetting names in my old age. Help --> Roy Kempton? Thanks. There is another: http://firshman.co.uk/showphotos/Quanta-agm2005/pages/IMG_2724.htm Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM 2005
On Mon, 9 May 2005 at 00:11:02, John Southern wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >On Monday 09 May 2005 00:04, Tony Firshman wrote: >> I need help with a couple of names. > >Unknown. I am forgetting names in my old age. Help --> Roy Kempton? Thanks. There is another: http://firshman.co.uk/showphotos/Quanta-agm2005/pages/IMG_2724.htm Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM 2005
On Monday 09 May 2005 00:04, Tony Firshman wrote: > I need help with a couple of names. Unknown. I am forgetting names in my old age. Help --> Roy Kempton? John S ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] Quanta AGM 2005
I have at last got around to getting the show photos on line: http://firshman.co.uk/showphotos/Quanta-agm2005/ I need help with a couple of names. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM
Geoff Wicks wrote: > > I was surprised that there had been no comment re. the special > > resolutions - I think that the new clauses 5.3 - 5.6 are a very > > bad idea and will be voting against the resolution. > > > > (If I was a conspiracy theorist I might read something into the > > fact that they are not mentioned in the relevant section of the > > Chairman's Report...) > > I am also surprised that there has not been more discussion of the > constitutional amendments. I am not sure what John infers by his > conspiracy theorists comments. You know me, Geoff - I would never infer (or imply) anything :-) As it happens, I am _not_ a conspiracy theorist - if anything, I am a "cock-up" theorist :-) "Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence" (Napoleon Bonaparte) John ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM
- Original Message - From: "John Hall" To: "QL Users" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM I was surprised that there had been no comment re. the special resolutions - I think that the new clauses 5.3 - 5.6 are a very bad idea and will be voting against the resolution. (If I was a conspiracy theorist I might read something into the fact that they are not mentioned in the relevant section of the Chairman's Report...) I am also surprised that there has not been more discussion of the constitutional amendments. I am not sure what John infers by his conspiracy theorists comments. I was intending to remain silent but, in the absence of official Quanta comment, here is some background information. The first that I and other committee members heard of the amendments was when we were confronted with them at the committee meeting on 5th February 2005. The chairman assures me, and I have no reason to doubt his word, that he had sent the proposals to the Secretary before 1st February in accordance with article 8.3 of the constitution. This does raise the question about why the proposals were not circulated to committee members well before the meeting. At the meeting no formal vote was take, but my impression of the consensus was that members felt the proposals merited more detailed discussion within both committee and wider membership and should lie on the table until the 2006 AGM. I was therefore surprised to find the motions on the 2005 AGM agenda and on 24th February I emailed all members of the committee giving my objections. Only the chairman reacted to this email. In a long telephone discussion with the chairman on, I believe, 25th February we reached a substantial measure of agreement. Namely that whatever the misgivings of the committee members at the meeting, they had had ample opportunity to think about the resolutions and no one had raised any further objections. To be absolutely sure about this the chairman offered to email all members of the committee allowing them to again object to the proposals. This he did on 26th February and no member of the committee reacted to this email. I am therefore satisfied beyond any shadow of doubt that the special resolutions are committee resolutions and that my five committee colleagues actively support them. I shall expect them all to vote for and support the resolutions at the AGM. As the single dissenter on the committee I am allowed some leaway. I shall vote against special resolution 1 and for special resolution 2. I can see some theoretical merits in special resolution 1. Indeed I have tried to persuade other committees I have been on to adopt similar procedures, although I would have preferred elections for a 2 year term with half of the committee to stand down each year. In practice however, given the present reluctance of members to stand for the committee, I find the proposals idiotic and unworkable. Special resolution 2 is the reverse position. I loathe it theoretically, but believe we have no alternative in practice. Given the small size of the present committee the present quorum is unrealistic. I should add that the present proposal is an amendment of an earlier version, and, as it is my amendment, I am duty bound to support it. One final point. At the committee meeting no member of the committee was aware that constitutional amendments require a two-thirds majority. On another issue, I think members should be aware that, whatever the outcome of the AGM, the new committee could be confronted with a major crisis. They have to find a new editor for the magazine, and if this proves difficult or impossible, it could have serious repercussions for the implementation of many of Quanta's aspirations for the future, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM
> 4. If no one else offers, as a last resort, I am happy to act as your proxy > as > long as you direct me to which way you want to vote. > > John S John, is there a mechanism for people to request a copy of the current constitution if they want it? I'm up to date I think, there may be some who've either mislaid their copy or not sure if they have an up to date copy. To who should they apply if they wish to receive a current copy? (At work, not sure if it says in newsletter or not) Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM
On Monday 28 March 2005 17:58, Tarquin Mills wrote: > Questions. > 1. What would Geoff Wicks do differently as leader? > 2. Why should I approve Special Resolution 2 when they can have >enough members by co-opting? > 3. Why should I approve SP1 when it stops the top posts changing >democratically (new clause 5.3), and the burn out has already happened? >Imagine if the Magazine Editor post had been done this way. > 4. Is anyone other than "The Chairman of the meeting" offering to >do proxy voting for me? If you are not going to attend, can I request a proxy form soon? The final date for receipt is Sunday. I have received a few forms that indicate the form is not as clear as it could be. This is where individuals have voted for BOTH John and Geoff as Chairman. While this may be a novel solution, it is unfortunately an OR option. Speaking (typing) as myself and not on behalf of the committee :- 1. Ask Geoff ! 4. If no one else offers, as a last resort, I am happy to act as your proxy as long as you direct me to which way you want to vote. John S ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM
Tarquin Mills wrote: > Questions. > 1. What would Geoff Wicks do differently as leader? > 2. Why should I approve Special Resolution 2 when they can have >enough members by co-opting? > 3. Why should I approve SP1 when it stops the top posts changing >democratically (new clause 5.3), and the burn out has already > happened? >Imagine if the Magazine Editor post had been done this way. I was surprised that there had been no comment re. the special resolutions - I think that the new clauses 5.3 - 5.6 are a very bad idea and will be voting against the resolution. (If I was a conspiracy theorist I might read something into the fact that they are not mentioned in the relevant section of the Chairman's Report...) John ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] Quanta AGM
Questions. 1. What would Geoff Wicks do differently as leader? 2. Why should I approve Special Resolution 2 when they can have enough members by co-opting? 3. Why should I approve SP1 when it stops the top posts changing democratically (new clause 5.3), and the burn out has already happened? Imagine if the Magazine Editor post had been done this way. 4. Is anyone other than "The Chairman of the meeting" offering to do proxy voting for me? -- Tarquin Mills (Chairman) ACCUS (Anglia Classic Computer Users Society) http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/comp/accus/ http://www.PetitionOnline.com/Spectrum/ (We want a Spectrum +4) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] Quanta Committee nominations
Hello All, As some of you may be aware, the Quanta committee is up for its annual re-election soon and nominations for committee posts need to reach me before the end of the month. So far the tally is five nominations received. Chairman - John Mason Chairman - Geoff Wicks Treasurer - John Gilpin Secretary - Sarah Gilpin Member - John Gregory If anyone thinks that they have sent me another nomination by post or fax, I have not received it. Please contact me! As things stand, there is just enough to make a quorum after the AGM, unless someone else volunteers, never mind the full eight positions that John Taylor suggests would be ideal. Yes, you would come in for a little personal flak, but it is your chance to change things to how you want for a community that we all love and care about. Your Quanta needs you! Positions available immediately in your area. No need to delay. The salary level is currently capped, but the benefits* (use of Quanta Yacht, Quanta Club house, Quanta Ski chalet, Quanta Tea Urn and Numbering Machine would also be available if we can find them!!) are all for the asking. Gosh, the benefits are boundless. *Terms and conditions apply. Your sanity will be at risk. Regards John Southern ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta 2005
- Original Message - From: "David Tubbs" To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta 2005 You could start from the other end, where do members/users live ? Select a location to suit them, the possible visitors rather than a clique. If you are a member of Quanta, you should already know the answer to this question. See my article in the Quanta Magazine Vol 21 issue 5/6 page 14. If you are not a member of Quanta, I am not interested in your opinions about where we hold our AGM, Best Wishes, Geoff (personal) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta 2005
- Original Message - From: "Rich Mellor" To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 12:51 PM Subject: [ql-users] Quanta 2005 Just a quick comment - one of the reasons that the Quanta committee seemed to want the QL 2005 meeting down south was because they thought that Manchester was not capable of holding such a "prestigious event". Well its now apparently good enough for the Labour Party Conference as they are moving there... So why not the QL?? Because as an organisation Quanta is not worried by massive Liberal Democrat gains in the Manchester area. Whilst I would agree there is a general prejudice against Manchester, or anything north of the Thames, in the QL community, that was not relevant to Quanta's decision. It had much more to do with the cock-up theory. Or our old friends, the keywords PISS_UP and BREWERY. Quanta's current aim is to make the AGM the number one UK show each year. In May 2004 the committee decided to hold a two day show (QL2005) to include the AGM somewhere in the south as it was the south's turn. For reasons that are still unclear to me by the end of October 2004 nothing had been done to organise this. By that time it was too late for the deadlines of both the Quanta Magazine and QL-Today to ensure adequate publicity beforehand or to arrange a show programme. The event was postponed until October and for some reason the decision to remain in the south stuck. John Gilpin would like to have a major event (+AGM) in Manchester at the end of April 2006. Let's be positive and make something good of that, Best Wishes, Geoff (personal) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta 2005
At 18:07 16/01/2005 +, you wrote: Everyone seems to think that Manchester is built out of Scout Huts (or Headquarters as we prefer to call them!) We are already looking for a more prestigious venue for AGM 2006. So the 2005 on the very edge of the country, almost as far away from as many members as possible. Should make for a quiet AGM and for the swapping of hats. You could start from the other end, where do members/users live ? Select a location to suit them, the possible visitors rather than a clique. But from a general point of convenience it would surely be Brum or London. For whom is the "prestige" being sought ? Is it the 300 or so members, or the handful that responded to the "survey", what potential or likely attendance ? Perhaps a Scout hut after all. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta 2005
- Original Message - From: "Rich Mellor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 12:51 PM Subject: [ql-users] Quanta 2005 > Just a quick comment - one of the reasons that the Quanta committee seemed > to want the QL 2005 meeting down south was because they thought that > Manchester was not capable of holding such a "prestigious event". > > Well its now apparently good enough for the Labour Party Conference as > they are moving there... > So why not the QL?? > > -- > Rich Mellor > RWAP Services > 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ JG Everyone seems to think that Manchester is built out of Scout Huts (or Headquarters as we prefer to call them!) We are already looking for a more prestigious venue for AGM 2006. Rest assured, We'll find one! Regards, John Gilpin Nemqlug Sub-Group. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta 2005
Just a quick comment - one of the reasons that the Quanta committee seemed to want the QL 2005 meeting down south was because they thought that Manchester was not capable of holding such a "prestigious event". Well its now apparently good enough for the Labour Party Conference as they are moving there... So why not the QL?? He he, do you want to be associated with Blair versus Brown arguments, Prescott alternating between peace maker between those two and punching protestors...people jumping ship...political scandals etc etc. I'd think you'd be better off saying you wouldn't go anywhere near politicians at all! ;-)) -- Dilwyn Jones -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 16/01/2005 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] Quanta 2005
Just a quick comment - one of the reasons that the Quanta committee seemed to want the QL 2005 meeting down south was because they thought that Manchester was not capable of holding such a "prestigious event". Well its now apparently good enough for the Labour Party Conference as they are moving there... So why not the QL?? -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] Quanta
A few weeks ago I used the sentence "Membership of Quanta ... is by subscription to the group's monthly newsletter." John Mason kindly corrected me and pointed out that is not currently the case, indeed it's not even mentioned in the constitution, so I assumed I made a mistake or mixed up with another group I was a member of at the time. Then Tony Firshman popped up to say he remembered it from somewhere or seen mention of it on the net somewhere. You have the wrong John, Dilwyn. It was me. Though the constitution states in item 4.0 "Membership will be open to anyone with an interest in the QL on payment of an annual subscription", there is nothing in the constitution that requires Quanta to publish a magazine. If I remember, the magazine entry was amended once the committee became aware of it. John Taylor. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QUANTA AGM 2005
- Original Message - From: "William Newell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:51 AM Subject: [ql-users] QUANTA AGM 2005 Have just received my copy of QLToday - Nov/Dec edition and on reading the QUANTA advert was astounded to learn that Portishead has moved from Bristol to Hove or is it only the Town Hall that has moved? JG Only temporarily! Caught out again!! I am the culprit. Thanks for bringing it to our attention, Bill Surely this should read PORTSLADE? JG Yes it should. I think that somebody has lost their sense of direction - hands up the culprit. JG Another Senior moment! Happy Christmas everyone. John Gilpin. Bill Newell ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QUANTA AGM 2005
Yes, Jochen, Every is correct at the (End) Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and all Qlers Bill. - Original Message - From: "Jochen Merz Shareware" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QUANTA AGM 2005 Well, at least it is several times correct on the last page, isn't it? :-) Jochen William Newell wrote: Have just received my copy of QLToday - Nov/Dec edition and on reading the QUANTA advert was astounded to learn that Portishead has moved from Bristol to Hove or is it only the Town Hall that has moved? Surely this should read PORTSLADE? I think that somebody has lost their sense of direction - hands up the culprit. Bill Newell ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QUANTA AGM 2005
Well, at least it is several times correct on the last page, isn't it? :-) Jochen William Newell wrote: Have just received my copy of QLToday - Nov/Dec edition and on reading the QUANTA advert was astounded to learn that Portishead has moved from Bristol to Hove or is it only the Town Hall that has moved? Surely this should read PORTSLADE? I think that somebody has lost their sense of direction - hands up the culprit. Bill Newell ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] QUANTA AGM 2005
Have just received my copy of QLToday - Nov/Dec edition and on reading the QUANTA advert was astounded to learn that Portishead has moved from Bristol to Hove or is it only the Town Hall that has moved? Surely this should read PORTSLADE? I think that somebody has lost their sense of direction - hands up the culprit. Bill Newell ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] QUANTA AGM 2005
Have just received my copy of QLToday - Nov/Dec edition and on reading the QUANTA advert was astounded to learn that Portishead has moved from Bristol to Hove or is it only the Town Hall that has moved? Surely this should read PORTSLADE? I think that somebody has lost their sense of direction - hands up the culprit. Bill Newell ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta 2005
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:18:20 -, gwicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: <> Writing personally I am inclined to agree with this, but I think we should be realistic and accept that Portsmouth is the choice. The history was that the show was originally to be part of a weekend in which the Quanta AGM would be held. 2005 was the turn for a southern AGM. For some reason the venue was not booked in time, and as you know, but the rest of the list probably not, about 6 weeks ago we traders said it was too late to combine the show with the AGM because there was no time to organise adequate publicity etc. Quanta has now done its research on the possible venues including visiting the premises and if we were change this there would be further delay and expense. Yes, but it might actually be cheaper than the fees for hiring a place in Portsmouth - especially if one has not yet been chosen. The issue of geography was raised some weeks ago on this list (before QL2004). Just out of interest. How long ago was it that there was a Quanta Birmingham show? I cannot remember a single one in about 15 years, although there was a show in Selston, East Midlands in, I believe, 1998. The West Midlands does have a sub group. Are they not interested in organising a show? Don't think there ever has been one in Birmingham (despite the active sub-group), although I remember there being QL stalls at a general vintage computer fair at the staffordshire show ground (in the last days of CGH Services) and also at the Birmingham Motorcycle Museum (what a shame so many of their bikes were destroyed in a fire) Don't forget, there used to be plenty of shows held in Nottingham / Derby as well if memory serves me right. Best Wishes Geoff (personal opinion) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta 2005
- Original Message - From: "Rich Mellor" To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 11:51 AM Subject: [ql-users] Quanta 2005 It is nice to know that Quanta are indeed planning on holding a big show in 2005 to celebrate 21 years of the QL. However, what a shame that it is to be held in Portsmouth.. I would have thought that QL 2005 should be held in Birmingham or Manchester - Writing personally I am inclined to agree with this, but I think we should be realistic and accept that Portsmouth is the choice. The history was that the show was originally to be part of a weekend in which the Quanta AGM would be held. 2005 was the turn for a southern AGM. For some reason the venue was not booked in time, and as you know, but the rest of the list probably not, about 6 weeks ago we traders said it was too late to combine the show with the AGM because there was no time to organise adequate publicity etc. Quanta has now done its research on the possible venues including visiting the premises and if we were change this there would be further delay and expense. As a point of interest we are already thinking of the 2006 AGM which is likely to be held in Manchester. We are trying to plan the show programme well in advance to avoid clashes like the unfortunate one between the AGM and the USA show earlier this year. (In this way we have just avoided a similar nasty clash between the Quanta show, a USA show and an Eindhoven show in a Autumn 2005.) Just out of interest. How long ago was it that there was a Quanta Birmingham show? I cannot remember a single one in about 15 years, although there was a show in Selston, East Midlands in, I believe, 1998. The West Midlands does have a sub group. Are they not interested in organising a show? Best Wishes Geoff (personal opinion) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta 2005
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 at 11:51:53, Rich Mellor wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >It is nice to know that Quanta are indeed planning on holding a big >show in 2005 to celebrate 21 years of the QL. > >However, what a shame that it is to be held in Portsmouth.. >I would have thought that QL 2005 should be held in Birmingham or >Manchester I agree. I would prefer Birmingham. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] Quanta 2005
It is nice to know that Quanta are indeed planning on holding a big show in 2005 to celebrate 21 years of the QL. However, what a shame that it is to be held in Portsmouth.. I would have thought that QL 2005 should be held in Birmingham or Manchester - there are just as many nice venues there and plenty of countryside to explore (as opposed to the sea side yet again) - plus you might get to see some of the conservation work I do !! If enough people want to learn how to hedgelay - I am sure I could organise something - that WOULD be something different for those who don't want to spend all day at the show. So why not Portsmouth?? a) The last big UK QL Show was held there - all the users north of Birmingham probably missed out as it is too far to travel and fear having to navigate London / M25 to get there. Its time the northern users were given an opportunity. They could travel by train, but then still have to change in London so far as I know (or go via Bristol) b) Overseas visitors have to fly into one of the London airports which are extremely busy. Plus, they then have to catch a train into London, navigate the London Underground and then catch another train to Portsmouth (at least I don't think that there is a station in London which serves Heathrow, Gatwick AND Portsmouth, or even two of those locations). c) Portsmouth is too far from the airports to make any option other than train or coach viable. It is at least a couple of hours travel from the airport, as well as probably 3 or 4 trains. On the other hand, Manchester and Birmingham both have their own international airport (one in each city), with a simple train linkn from the airport to the city, and you should then be able to catch another train to the venue, leaving from the same station. You could probably find a cheap venue not too far from the airport, making taxis a viable option. -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: Re: [ql-users] Quanta publicity
- Original Message - From: To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 2:55 PM Subject: Re: Re: [ql-users] The hardware conflict... There are non-members on this list too - I don't see that Quanta should feel obliged to tell them the deliberations of every committee meeting! As has been pointed out lately, this is not a Quanta owned list, although I suppose it might be true that most on this list are probably members. A better vehicle for publishing minutes like that would be the newsletter (or Quanta website perhaps although that would exclude any members without email and make the minutes accessible to non-members as well if an 'open' page) This list is the quickest way of reaching a fair number of members, although much would have to be repeated in the magazine. (It's about using all available media effectively.) We are also not talking about total disclosure of minutes. There could, for example, be legal problems should third parties be mentioned - think of the situation if someone asks for financial support for a project, wouldn't they have a right to some degree of confidentiality? It would be a way of telling members quickly about major decisions. And if Quanta becomes more active, maybe there could be things we would like non-members to know, Best wishes Geoff (personal opinions) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta
And if he told you he'd probably have to kill you ;-) Dilwyn Jones - Original Message - From: "Duncan Neithercut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: RE: [ql-users] Quanta > Sorry Tarquin but I am not in posession of that exact information. > > Duncan > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tarquin > Mills > Sent: 26 November 2004 16:33 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ql-users] Quanta > > > Duncan Neithercut wrote: > > The final statement is the killer to close down the discussion at a > > premature stage by requesting volunteers for an unspecified project > > with no known resources and an indeterminate closure. This is > > from "Classic committee tactics" to block something new - read the > > UK local government and civil servants classified training manual > > 2005 edition, its on the web. > > Could we have the URI please. > -- >Tarquin Mills > > ACCUS (Anglia Classic Computer Users Society) > http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/comp/accus/ > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: [ql-users] Quanta
Sorry Tarquin but I am not in posession of that exact information. Duncan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tarquin Mills Sent: 26 November 2004 16:33 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ql-users] Quanta Duncan Neithercut wrote: > The final statement is the killer to close down the discussion at a > premature stage by requesting volunteers for an unspecified project > with no known resources and an indeterminate closure. This is > from "Classic committee tactics" to block something new - read the > UK local government and civil servants classified training manual > 2005 edition, its on the web. Could we have the URI please. -- Tarquin Mills ACCUS (Anglia Classic Computer Users Society) http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/comp/accus/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: [ql-users] Quanta
Duncan Neithercut wrote: > The final statement is the killer to close down the discussion at a > premature stage by requesting volunteers for an unspecified project > with no known resources and an indeterminate closure. This is > from "Classic committee tactics" to block something new - read the > UK local government and civil servants classified training manual > 2005 edition, its on the web. Could we have the URI please. -- Tarquin Mills ACCUS (Anglia Classic Computer Users Society) http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/comp/accus/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta web site
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 at 12:44:19, Tarquin Mills wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tony Firshman wrote: >> > I have put a link on my web form to http://www.quanta.org.uk for details >> > of this mailing list (simply copied what was on the paper form). >> > >> > Where is mention of the list? I can't see it anywhere. >> >> >> I expected something like this, it was removed because of what is >> going on this list, Quanta will probably say it was because they >> realised that it is a non-Quanta owned list now. There is a high >> likelihood of further action against the people who are anti most of the >> committee and the mailing list, How anyone say they are 'against the mailing list'? It is like saying I am "against the blackboard" or "against the post office". >after sundays committee meeting (got dragged to shops before I could >complete the last email). >> Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta web site
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tony Firshman wrote: > > I have put a link on my web form to http://www.quanta.org.uk for details > > of this mailing list (simply copied what was on the paper form). > > > > Where is mention of the list? I can't see it anywhere. > > > I expected something like this, it was removed because of what is > going on this list, Quanta will probably say it was because they > realised that it is a non-Quanta owned list now. There is a high > likelihood of further action against the people who are anti most of the > committee and the mailing list, after sundays committee meeting (got dragged to shops before I could complete the last email). > > > > I have put this link on my form: > > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > > > > Also http://www.sadeye.co.uk on the workshops page is not HREF linked. -- Tarquin Mills ACCUS (Anglia Classic Computer Users Society) http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/comp/accus/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta web site
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tony Firshman wrote: > I have put a link on my web form to http://www.quanta.org.uk for details > of this mailing list (simply copied what was on the paper form). > > Where is mention of the list? I can't see it anywhere. I expected something like this, it was removed because of what is going on this list, Quanta will probably say it was because they realised that it is a non-Quanta owned list now. There is a high likelihood of further action against the people who are anti most of the committee and the mailing list. > I have put this link on my form: > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > > Also http://www.sadeye.co.uk on the workshops page is not HREF linked. -- Tarquin Mills ACCUS (Anglia Classic Computer Users Society) http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/comp/accus/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta web site
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 at 23:43:46, Roy wood wrote:
(ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
>In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Firshman
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>>I have put a link on my web form to http://www.quanta.org.uk for details
>>of this mailing list (simply copied what was on the paper form).
>>
>>Where is mention of the list? I can't see it anywhere.
>>
>>I have put this link on my form:
>>http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
>>
>>Also http://www.sadeye.co.uk on the workshops page is not HREF linked.
>>
>>Tony
>I have just filled in the form. What does this mean ? it is hardly good
>English :
>
>'Thanks for the input.
>Please fill in a form if you have problems with filling in the form,
>or want to make suggestions on improvements.'
This was linked to a new form. How about this:
Please fill in a different form if you had problems with the questionnaire, or want
to make suggestions on improvements.
>
>Also having said I do not have a Minerva 12C expansion it insisted I
>told it which one I have
Corrected.
I had:
if ( $data{"aurora"} eq "yes" )
{
&getm("i2c_type");
}
... so I only checked for I2C if you had an aurora, which you did (8-)#
Tony
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Re: [ql-users] Quanta web site
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes I have put a link on my web form to http://www.quanta.org.uk for details of this mailing list (simply copied what was on the paper form). Where is mention of the list? I can't see it anywhere. I have put this link on my form: http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Also http://www.sadeye.co.uk on the workshops page is not HREF linked. Tony I have just filled in the form. What does this mean ? it is hardly good English : 'Thanks for the input. Please fill in a form if you have problems with filling in the form, or want to make suggestions on improvements.' Also having said I do not have a Minerva 12C expansion it insisted I told it which one I have -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] Quanta web site
I have put a link on my web form to http://www.quanta.org.uk for details of this mailing list (simply copied what was on the paper form). Where is mention of the list? I can't see it anywhere. I have put this link on my form: http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Also http://www.sadeye.co.uk on the workshops page is not HREF linked. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta web form
> BTW thanks to Lau for the background. I nicked it from his site in the > mid 90s (8-)# > > Does anyone know the name of the French made floppy disk interface? > > Tony Datel? Well done for your work on the questionnaire form, Tony. I stayed out of this, as I've had to do a similar large info gathering thing for my employer's website, from scratch. I was lucky, I was able to use a ready to use perl script from the ISP, although there are several almost ready to use ones out there such as the interestingly named tfmail. See www.cartersremovals.co.uk for how I set up the rather large form. For me, the problem was more how to present the data in a readable format to arrive by email. My boss actually wanted to automate the estimating process so that a computer sent the estimate back (validated by a human first!) but that idea was hastilly withdrawn when I managed to show that a £250 estimate was turned into a £25,000 estimate by careful wording to 'trick' the validation process. I was quite glad of that... Maybe somebody will 'break' your work to show there are millions of QLers responding to the Quanta questionnaire ;-) Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta
- Original Message - From: "James Hunkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta > Sorry John, but my strong belief is that, if friends or associates are > involved, it is even more important to have a legal agreement when any > kind of business and/or financial activities are involved. Otherwise, > you are risking some very hard feelings if something is not understood > or goes wrong. Unfortunately I have my own personal experience with > this and know others who have also gone through some bad stuff. > > I would hope that any business activity that Quanta undertakes has a > legal agreement of some type. Doesn't have to be over bearing or > bundled with a bunch of lawyers (after all, the idea is that we do > trust each other I would hope), but it does need to be there. > > This also protects Quanta because, if there are any questions about how > something is done, there is a solid paper trail that at least shows the > good intent behind the activities. > > Cheers, > jim I coundn't agree with you more Jim. I wasn't in office when the D & D agreement was formulated, I only had to administer it afterwards. Perhaps that is why I feel that it was so straightforward. I've bee a personal friend of my Bank Manager for many years but I have been unable to get him to give me preferential treatment because of it and I honour his decisions (and the many pages of legalese that I have had to sign during my business life) John Gilpin. > On Nov 23, 2004, at 10:15 AM, John Taylor wrote: > > >>> Didn't they extend a loan to D&D systems to get the Q60 built > >>> (further?). > >>> (...) > >> > >> Yes they did, and a very straight forward and successful arrangement > >> it was > >> and fully repaid within 12 months. This is the sort of thing that > >> Quanta > >> would be willing to consider for other projects but no one has come > >> forward > >> with a project. > >> John Gilpin.(Treasurer) > > > > It wasn't quite as simple as that John. > > Dennis and Derek asked me if it were possible to get Quanta to market > > the Q60 so that they could concentrate on the production. > > I agreed to approach the committee on their behalf. > > The Chairman, Robin Barker, called a meeting specifically to discuss > > that and D&D were invited to attend. > > Previous to the meeting the proposal had already met with a flat > > refusal from the Chairman. > > He was however willing to discuss financing D&D and to that end John > > Mason turned up with a two and a quarter page legal agreement. > > This despite not having put in an appearance at two previous committee > > meetings. > > My first reaction was to get up and walk out. If D&D were to be > > trusted, a simple statement, even a verbal one, would have been > > binding. > > If they weren't to be trusted then we shouldn't have been dealing with > > them. > > Finally it was agreed that D&D would submit all invoices to me for > > payment and I would instruct the Quanta Treasurer to make the required > > payments. > > In return, when a sale had been completed they would send the money to > > me and I would place such money in to the Quanta bank account. > > I kept records and would have acted on these in the event of a dispute. > > Trust was not always in evidence I am afraid, especially from Robin > > Barker and John Mason. The rest of the committee merely acquiesced > > when requested by the Chairman. > > If the financing of projects is to be conducted in this manner, then > > they are dead in the water, for heavens sake, we are dealing with > > people we have known for years. > > Therein lies the problem. John Mason has never been active among the > > Quanta members or the QL community beyond the traders, the Dorset sub > > group and the committee. > > I have said it before. Attitudes are too deeply ingrained in the > > current committee, it has become a little closed shop or mutual > > admiration society. > > For a healthy active committee you have got to have conflict. The > > members must believe in what they are doing even if the others > > disagree. > > > > John Taylor > > > > ___ > > QL-Users Mailing List > > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > > > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 at 21:33:07, P Witte wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >Tony Firshman writes: > >> >I did check it out, and it looks great! My problem is not with your form, >> >but that I dont think the questions have been well enough thought >through, >> >and that was not your department. >> > >> >Can the form be filled in off-line and then be uploaded on a second >> >connection? >> No - it relies on a POST operation. > >Well, I did fill it in off-line and submitted it on the next dialup. Thank >goodness for that! Ah I misunderstood. Yes of course you can do that. It needs no internet connection while you are using the form - it does not check on the fly. I have now corrected today's bugs (I hope). The insisting on 'yes' was down to me using == as a perl string comparitor. It needs eq (8-(# I have now extended it to non-Quanta members, and will then only store in my local database. although, John S, I could easily mail -all- replies to you as well. What do you want me to do? You can easily identify non Quanta members on the form results. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta web form
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 at 17:16:38, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >At 02:09 23/11/2004 +, you wrote: >>Do try and break >>http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi > >Does it not need the submit button to test breakpoint ? It has had a submit button (well two now) since about 2am today. > >How is it designed to respond to no answer re DateJoined ? >A DateOLapse ? It copes (8-)# It is working now, so you can try. > >Anyway much easier to view now, ta. > >You still don't like QEP III Qontrol from Care. I ran out of energy and time! In now. > >I presume it will stay on your server for collation, while folk here >are fully aware and Members will be (E)mailed(?), will you and other >traders mail your own lists so all users are invited to participate ? Good idea. I will send an emailshot when it is working OK. I will wait for the next bug first (8-)# Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
Tony Firshman writes: > >I did check it out, and it looks great! My problem is not with your form, > >but that I dont think the questions have been well enough thought through, > >and that was not your department. > > > >Can the form be filled in off-line and then be uploaded on a second > >connection? > No - it relies on a POST operation. Well, I did fill it in off-line and submitted it on the next dialup. Thank goodness for that! Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta
Sorry John, but my strong belief is that, if friends or associates are involved, it is even more important to have a legal agreement when any kind of business and/or financial activities are involved. Otherwise, you are risking some very hard feelings if something is not understood or goes wrong. Unfortunately I have my own personal experience with this and know others who have also gone through some bad stuff. I would hope that any business activity that Quanta undertakes has a legal agreement of some type. Doesn't have to be over bearing or bundled with a bunch of lawyers (after all, the idea is that we do trust each other I would hope), but it does need to be there. This also protects Quanta because, if there are any questions about how something is done, there is a solid paper trail that at least shows the good intent behind the activities. Cheers, jim On Nov 23, 2004, at 10:15 AM, John Taylor wrote: Didn't they extend a loan to D&D systems to get the Q60 built (further?). (...) Yes they did, and a very straight forward and successful arrangement it was and fully repaid within 12 months. This is the sort of thing that Quanta would be willing to consider for other projects but no one has come forward with a project. John Gilpin.(Treasurer) It wasn't quite as simple as that John. Dennis and Derek asked me if it were possible to get Quanta to market the Q60 so that they could concentrate on the production. I agreed to approach the committee on their behalf. The Chairman, Robin Barker, called a meeting specifically to discuss that and D&D were invited to attend. Previous to the meeting the proposal had already met with a flat refusal from the Chairman. He was however willing to discuss financing D&D and to that end John Mason turned up with a two and a quarter page legal agreement. This despite not having put in an appearance at two previous committee meetings. My first reaction was to get up and walk out. If D&D were to be trusted, a simple statement, even a verbal one, would have been binding. If they weren't to be trusted then we shouldn't have been dealing with them. Finally it was agreed that D&D would submit all invoices to me for payment and I would instruct the Quanta Treasurer to make the required payments. In return, when a sale had been completed they would send the money to me and I would place such money in to the Quanta bank account. I kept records and would have acted on these in the event of a dispute. Trust was not always in evidence I am afraid, especially from Robin Barker and John Mason. The rest of the committee merely acquiesced when requested by the Chairman. If the financing of projects is to be conducted in this manner, then they are dead in the water, for heavens sake, we are dealing with people we have known for years. Therein lies the problem. John Mason has never been active among the Quanta members or the QL community beyond the traders, the Dorset sub group and the committee. I have said it before. Attitudes are too deeply ingrained in the current committee, it has become a little closed shop or mutual admiration society. For a healthy active committee you have got to have conflict. The members must believe in what they are doing even if the others disagree. John Taylor ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 at 19:15:47, Malcolm Cadman wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 15:48:49, Malcolm Cadman wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) The London Group have a couple of repair jobs for you at the Byfleet meeting next week :-) Noted. I have a rehearsal in Berkhamsted at 16:30 so I will be leaving a bit before 15:30. Ken Brickwood - can you please remind me to bring your minisQL nearer the day. I will charge only a standard QL repair cost. The CF reader fitted in very well and it was all working when I did it (months ago!). Better if I remind you to remind yourself to bring the minisQL to Byfleet, as he did mention it at the last London Group meeting. Seriously, please remind me on Saturday. I have been carrying the d*d thing to shows for months, but sods law will say I forget this time. OK. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] Quanta
Didn't they extend a loan to D&D systems to get the Q60 built (further?). (...) Yes they did, and a very straight forward and successful arrangement it was and fully repaid within 12 months. This is the sort of thing that Quanta would be willing to consider for other projects but no one has come forward with a project. John Gilpin.(Treasurer) It wasn't quite as simple as that John. Dennis and Derek asked me if it were possible to get Quanta to market the Q60 so that they could concentrate on the production. I agreed to approach the committee on their behalf. The Chairman, Robin Barker, called a meeting specifically to discuss that and D&D were invited to attend. Previous to the meeting the proposal had already met with a flat refusal from the Chairman. He was however willing to discuss financing D&D and to that end John Mason turned up with a two and a quarter page legal agreement. This despite not having put in an appearance at two previous committee meetings. My first reaction was to get up and walk out. If D&D were to be trusted, a simple statement, even a verbal one, would have been binding. If they weren't to be trusted then we shouldn't have been dealing with them. Finally it was agreed that D&D would submit all invoices to me for payment and I would instruct the Quanta Treasurer to make the required payments. In return, when a sale had been completed they would send the money to me and I would place such money in to the Quanta bank account. I kept records and would have acted on these in the event of a dispute. Trust was not always in evidence I am afraid, especially from Robin Barker and John Mason. The rest of the committee merely acquiesced when requested by the Chairman. If the financing of projects is to be conducted in this manner, then they are dead in the water, for heavens sake, we are dealing with people we have known for years. Therein lies the problem. John Mason has never been active among the Quanta members or the QL community beyond the traders, the Dorset sub group and the committee. I have said it before. Attitudes are too deeply ingrained in the current committee, it has become a little closed shop or mutual admiration society. For a healthy active committee you have got to have conflict. The members must believe in what they are doing even if the others disagree. John Taylor ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta web form
At 02:09 23/11/2004 +, you wrote: Do try and break http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi Does it not need the submit button to test breakpoint ? How is it designed to respond to no answer re DateJoined ? A DateOLapse ? Anyway much easier to view now, ta. You still don't like QEP III Qontrol from Care. I presume it will stay on your server for collation, while folk here are fully aware and Members will be (E)mailed(?), will you and other traders mail your own lists so all users are invited to participate ? ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta web form
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 at 21:50:39, =?UTF-8?B?zqbOv86vzrLOv8+CIM6dz4TPjM66zr/Pgg==?= wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) Tony Firshman wrote: On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 at 02:09:03, Tony Firshman wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) Do try and break http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi It is already 40k, and some 1200 lines! The underlying code I mean. Tony Well here it is :-) Didn't break although I overloaded it :-) It even dealt correctly with Greek characters... A couple of comments... 1. The layout is confusing... better choose a more suitable font for it (Verdana 9 comes to mind ) - Sans Serif is better for easier reading of dense questionnaires. 2. It dealt with a faulty email address at variable "email" but did not check validity (rudimentary at least) on variable "oldemail" Done 3. A little more validity checking to avoid messed up results is needed (ie when you ask for if you have "A" mouse you can select everything. If you want to check every type of mouse a user could have you should ask... do you use "MICE"? Done 4. There's a syntax error in "software_devlist"'s question... it should be "interest in doing software development" instead of "interested doing in software development" (I'll do you in is a very Pennsylvanian American English expression :-) Got there before you (8-)# It must have been odd for some of you testing up to 02:30 this morning. I was changing and updating the form rapidly. It would almost have been changing in front of your eyes (8-)# .. now to the easy part - sending the data. As well as sending a standard machine processable email, I will save the data to files so I can process into a database later. Thanks very much for the test. One thing I need to add (hidden) is a datestamp. I hope -all- of you, and not just Quanta members, fill in the form. It will then be valuable data for the whole community. This is an extract from your input, Phoebus: &comments=Man+I+am+pretty+%3A-%29+Phoebus+%28This+is+test+submission+to+ break+Tony%27s+code+%3B-%29+heeheee&last= It didn't break me! I haven't looked up %3A-%29 (My code converts this before emailing) but I think I prefer it as-is (8-)# Mind you I could call you lots of things, but 'pretty'? Nah. Sattelite+controller%2C+Shed+door+remote+opener+%28Tony+has+already+one I do indeed. It was intended to operate the gear shift on my canal narrow boat. It is now redundant - do you want it (8-)# Vic Gerhardi, who is the UK's main Z88 trader (alongside Bill Richardson) installed a remote front door opener at his home. Ben played with it as we left the other day. I shut it using the button (some distance from the door) and then rushed out while the door was closing. I knocked a parcel through the door as I flew out, so there I was -outside- a locked house with a parcel in my hands. I had to ring the door bell to get back in! Tony -Results Congratulations. You got it all right, but the form goes nowhere yet. Thanks for testing Received POST data: first=&firstname=test&lastname=test&email=test%40test.com&oldemail=test% 40test1&telno=%2B1234567890&year=1985&main_system=Q40&qluse=hobby&qluse= games&qluse=personal_correspondence&qluse=writing&qluse=business&qluse=p rogramming&qluse=data&qluse=control&qluse=faxing&qluse=other&qluse_comme nt=test+test&emulator=yes&emulator_type=UQLX&emulator_type=QXL&emulator_ type=Qemulator&emulator_type=Atari&emulator_type=other&expansion=yes&exp ansion_type=SuperGoldCard&expansion_type=GoldCard&expansion_type=TrumpCa rd&expansion_type=Medic&expansion_type=superQboard&expansion_type=expand eram&expansion_type=cumana&expansion_type=technology_research&expansion_ type=Qdisk&expansion_type=Qjump&expansion_type=Sandy&expansion_type=Fren ch&expansion_type=other&cased_QL=yes&backplane=mplane&backplane=qplane&b ackplane=other&derivative=yes&derivative_type=Thor&derivative_type=Q40&d erivative_type=Q60&derivative_type=CST&derivative_type=other&aurora=yes& i2c=yes&i2c_type=analogue&i2c_type=parallel&i2c_type=power&i2c_type=temp _sensor&romdisq=yes&romdisq_size=2mb&romdisq_size=4mb&romdisq_size=8mb&h ermes=yes&superhermes=yes&keyboard=yes&keyboard_type=Di-ren&keyboard_typ e=Falkenburg&keyboard_type=Schoen&keyboard_type=keyboard-products&keyboa rd_type=other&other_keyboard=Test&mouse=yes&mouse_type=qimi&mouse_type=s ermouse&mouse_type=superHermes&mouse_type=hardware&mouse_type=other&prin ter=yes&printer_name=testtest&floppy=yes&harddisk=yes&harddisk_size=1&ha rddisk_type=qubide&harddisk_type=Miracle&harddisk_type=CST&harddisk_type =Falkenburg&harddisk_type=other&other_harddisk=Der&programs=yes&helpline =yes&topics=Blah+test&mailing=yes&quantasite=yes&write_articles=yes&work shops=yes&bestworkshop=Test&whynot=Test&happy_with_newsletter=yes&how_im proved=Test&help_Quanta=Test&question=Test&operating_system=QDOS&QDOS_ve rsion=JSU&operating_system=Minerva&Minerva_version=3.00+%26%23946%3B&ope rating_system=SMSQE&SMSQE_version=3.07%2C+3.03+Aurora&ope
Re: [ql-users] Quanta web form
Seems to work for me - nice job. jim On Nov 22, 2004, at 6:09 PM, Tony Firshman wrote: There are a few minor issues concerning error reporting of linked items. However I can see nothing wrong in the POST data on a completed form, so I will code the email sending tomorrow. Hopefully tomorrow morning I will get some feedback before I finish the code later today. Do try and break http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi It is already 40k, and some 1200 lines! BTW thanks to Lau for the background. I nicked it from his site in the mid 90s (8-)# Does anyone know the name of the French made floppy disk interface? Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta web form
Την Tue, 23 Nov 2004 02:15:50 +,ο(η) Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> έγραψε/wrote: On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 at 02:09:03, Tony Firshman wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) Do try and break http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi Well if you have written it, it won't break (if it's working of course ;-) hint, hint Wrong types in some cgi scripts :-) ) Your code is excellent as always ;-) Can't say the same about the page's readability though... TIMES New Roman? Hehe It is already 40k, and some 1200 lines! ...And 30 pints of beer :-) (Oh and some Provolon(e) cheese ;-) ) Didn't expect anything less from you though :-) You either write it or don't :-) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta web form
Tony Firshman wrote: On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 at 02:09:03, Tony Firshman wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) Do try and break http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi It is already 40k, and some 1200 lines! The underlying code I mean. Tony Well here it is :-) Didn't break although I overloaded it :-) It even dealt correctly with Greek characters... A couple of comments... 1. The layout is confusing... better choose a more suitable font for it (Verdana 9 comes to mind ) - Sans Serif is better for easier reading of dense questionnaires. 2. It dealt with a faulty email address at variable "email" but did not check validity (rudimentary at least) on variable "oldemail" 3. A little more validity checking to avoid messed up results is needed (ie when you ask for if you have "A" mouse you can select everything. If you want to check every type of mouse a user could have you should ask... do you use "MICE"? 4. There's a syntax error in "software_devlist"'s question... it should be "interest in doing software development" instead of "interested doing in software development" (I'll do you in is a very Pennsylvanian American English expression :-) -Results Congratulations. You got it all right, but the form goes nowhere yet. Thanks for testing Received POST data: first=&firstname=test&lastname=test&email=test%40test.com&oldemail=test%40test1&telno=%2B1234567890&year=1985&main_system=Q40&qluse=hobby&qluse=games&qluse=personal_correspondence&qluse=writing&qluse=business&qluse=programming&qluse=data&qluse=control&qluse=faxing&qluse=other&qluse_comment=test+test&emulator=yes&emulator_type=UQLX&emulator_type=QXL&emulator_type=Qemulator&emulator_type=Atari&emulator_type=other&expansion=yes&expansion_type=SuperGoldCard&expansion_type=GoldCard&expansion_type=TrumpCard&expansion_type=Medic&expansion_type=superQboard&expansion_type=expanderam&expansion_type=cumana&expansion_type=technology_research&expansion_type=Qdisk&expansion_type=Qjump&expansion_type=Sandy&expansion_type=French&expansion_type=other&cased_QL=yes&backplane=mplane&backplane=qplane&backplane=other&derivative=yes&derivative_type=Thor&derivative_type=Q40&derivative_type=Q60&derivative_type=CST&derivative_type=other&aurora=yes&i2c=yes&i2c_type=analogue&i2c_type=parallel&i2c_type=power&i2c_type=temp_sensor&romdisq=yes&romdisq_size=2mb&romdisq_size=4mb&romdisq_size=8mb&hermes=yes&superhermes=yes&keyboard=yes&keyboard_type=Di-ren&keyboard_type=Falkenburg&keyboard_type=Schoen&keyboard_type=keyboard-products&keyboard_type=other&other_keyboard=Test&mouse=yes&mouse_type=qimi&mouse_type=sermouse&mouse_type=superHermes&mouse_type=hardware&mouse_type=other&printer=yes&printer_name=testtest&floppy=yes&harddisk=yes&harddisk_size=1&harddisk_type=qubide&harddisk_type=Miracle&harddisk_type=CST&harddisk_type=Falkenburg&harddisk_type=other&other_harddisk=Der&programs=yes&helpline=yes&topics=Blah+test&mailing=yes&quantasite=yes&write_articles=yes&workshops=yes&bestworkshop=Test&whynot=Test&happy_with_newsletter=yes&how_improved=Test&help_Quanta=Test&question=Test&operating_system=QDOS&QDOS_version=JSU&operating_system=Minerva&Minerva_version=3.00+%26%23946%3B&operating_system=SMSQE&SMSQE_version=3.07%2C+3.03+Aurora&operating_system=other&other_version=Blah%21&office_suite=yes&arcplus=yes&wordprocessor=yes&wordprocessor_type=Quill&wordprocessor_type=Perfection&wordprocessor_type=Text87&wordprocessor_type=The_Editor&wordprocessor_type=Paragraph&wordprocessor_type=other&spreadsheet=yes&spreadsheet_type=Abacus&spreadsheet_type=Qspread&games=yes&other_programs=Blah+Test&software_list=Blah&hardware_list=Sattelite+controller%2C+Shed+door+remote+opener+%28Tony+has+already+one+%3B-%29&software_development=yes&software_devlist=+++Interest+doing%3F+Is+that+acceptable+syntax%3F&hardware_development=yes&hardware_devlist=++Ahhh+so+that%27s+what+you+meant...&comments=Man+I+am+pretty+%3A-%29+Phoebus+%28This+is+test+submission+to+break+Tony%27s+code+%3B-%29+heeheee&last= ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta web form
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 at 02:09:03, Tony Firshman wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >Do try and break >http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi > >It is already 40k, and some 1200 lines! The underlying code I mean. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] Quanta web form
There are a few minor issues concerning error reporting of linked items. However I can see nothing wrong in the POST data on a completed form, so I will code the email sending tomorrow. Hopefully tomorrow morning I will get some feedback before I finish the code later today. Do try and break http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi It is already 40k, and some 1200 lines! BTW thanks to Lau for the background. I nicked it from his site in the mid 90s (8-)# Does anyone know the name of the French made floppy disk interface? Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 at 19:15:47, Malcolm Cadman wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 15:48:49, Malcolm Cadman wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) The London Group have a couple of repair jobs for you at the Byfleet meeting next week :-) Noted. I have a rehearsal in Berkhamsted at 16:30 so I will be leaving a bit before 15:30. Ken Brickwood - can you please remind me to bring your minisQL nearer the day. I will charge only a standard QL repair cost. The CF reader fitted in very well and it was all working when I did it (months ago!). Better if I remind you to remind yourself to bring the minisQL to Byfleet, as he did mention it at the last London Group meeting. Seriously, please remind me on Saturday. I have been carrying the d*d thing to shows for months, but sods law will say I forget this time. TOny -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership survey
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 at 11:49:39, James Hunkins wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) TF> 1640 x 1050 screen >Even better than that with my 1920 x 1200 :) Sounds like boasting in the showers (8-)# ... but this is on my laptop. Nasta made a lovely comment once. I said he ought to keep his emails to one page. He said it was on his similar sized screen to yours (8-)# Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership survey
Even better than that with my 1920 x 1200 :) On Nov 21, 2004, at 8:08 PM, Tony Firshman wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 at 01:50:03, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) At 01:14 22/11/2004 +, you wrote: 1680 wide screen. Must be a wet dream for many and it is often on my lap (8-)# 1680 x 1050 is a fabulous size. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 15:48:49, Malcolm Cadman wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) The London Group have a couple of repair jobs for you at the Byfleet meeting next week :-) Noted. I have a rehearsal in Berkhamsted at 16:30 so I will be leaving a bit before 15:30. Ken Brickwood - can you please remind me to bring your minisQL nearer the day. I will charge only a standard QL repair cost. The CF reader fitted in very well and it was all working when I did it (months ago!). Better if I remind you to remind yourself to bring the minisQL to Byfleet, as he did mention it at the last London Group meeting. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership Survey
> On the way back, I got out of the car to buy petrol, but somehow the > door did not unlock. I had to break a window to get back in. > Fortunately I have at least 4 spare rear doors at the bottom of the > garden! Is that one rear door per garden shed, Tony? ;-) > I turned -off- my phone to avoid the 08:30 church alarm. > The ry thing turned itself on again to sound the alarm (8-)# He he, must have been running WinXX too! Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership survey
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 at 01:50:03, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >At 01:14 22/11/2004 +, you wrote: >>1680 wide screen. > >Must be a wet dream for many and it is often on my lap (8-)# 1680 x 1050 is a fabulous size. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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At 01:14 22/11/2004 +, you wrote: 1680 wide screen. Must be a wet dream for many ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 at 00:23:42, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >comments to present survey version:- > >Section 2, I suggest that use for faxing might be in a section on how >electronic communication is achieved - QL modem or other means. >Also what other computer system might be in use - PC, MAC or UNIX/LINUX ?? > >Section 3, Other addon cards, E-Progger - A/D card , any others ? >Other motherboards ? > >Section 4, If it is to get a broader circulation - Are you still a >mamber, and when did you cease to be ? > >General - >I rarely use a full screen window, plays some havoc with checkbox >separating from title. Yes, but I have kept the general width very small. I use a window on my screen, and it doesn't break awkwardly and it is only filling about 1/3 of the screen width on a 1680 wide screen. That is less than 600, and should suit all screens. ... and of course you can always adjust text size. > >Perhaps Text boxes with the "Other"s I think I will have to draw the line now without your first three good suggestions. Quanta have said they will use the form, and I have to get the core programming done quickly. Once that is done, I may add more. Thanks for all your comments. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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comments to present survey version:- Section 2, I suggest that use for faxing might be in a section on how electronic communication is achieved - QL modem or other means. Also what other computer system might be in use - PC, MAC or UNIX/LINUX ?? Section 3, Other addon cards, E-Progger - A/D card , any others ? Other motherboards ? Section 4, If it is to get a broader circulation - Are you still a mamber, and when did you cease to be ? General - I rarely use a full screen window, plays some havoc with checkbox separating from title. Perhaps Text boxes with the "Other"s ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 13:25:24, James Hunkins wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >Now that is what I call service. > >The reason I was wondering about the memory size has to do with users >who have a modified QL with hard drive or Rom disk who might want to >run QDT. While relatively compact, once you start putting alternate >backgrounds (screen sizes/themes) and tons of icons, it may have a >performance impact (or might not). Also might make a difference if >this ghostscript printer conversation goes somewhere. > >I saw everything but the size of the hard drive in the update. Done > And it works just fine now in Safari - Thanks! Done Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Now that is what I call service. The reason I was wondering about the memory size has to do with users who have a modified QL with hard drive or Rom disk who might want to run QDT. While relatively compact, once you start putting alternate backgrounds (screen sizes/themes) and tons of icons, it may have a performance impact (or might not). Also might make a difference if this ghostscript printer conversation goes somewhere. I saw everything but the size of the hard drive in the update. And it works just fine now in Safari - Thanks! Cheers, jim On Nov 21, 2004, at 12:42 PM, Tony Firshman wrote: On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 10:39:54, James Hunkins wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) Hi Tony, Guess what, Safari was interpreting your page perfectly and Firefox was being a bit generous. It turns out it is an easy fix (and very easy not too see). Here is what I found. Original code: Do you subscribe to the QL mailing list? Yes No (see http://www.quanta.org.uk/"; target='U">http://www.quanta.org.uk/ for details) Correction: - where it says target='U" -> change it to say target="U" Note that the original page uses a single ' and a double ". Safari sees the single ' and then looks for a matching single '. You have it correct elsewhere. Whoops - full marks to Safari. There were many more like that which I spotted earlier (under firefox). Fun stuff :) Indeed. MSIE is very bad at 'intelligently' wrong html, much like QDOS and bad basic. Firefox is better, but not a sgood as Safari. Could you also ask the following type of questions: Hard Disk - what size Rom Disk - what size SMSQ/E - what rev Memory - what size Done (except memory - expansion type gets near enough!) Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 15:48:49, Malcolm Cadman wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >The London Group have a couple of repair jobs for you at the Byfleet >meeting next week :-) Noted. I have a rehearsal in Berkhamsted at 16:30 so I will be leaving a bit before 15:30. Ken Brickwood - can you please remind me to bring your minisQL nearer the day. I will charge only a standard QL repair cost. The CF reader fitted in very well and it was all working when I did it (months ago!). Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 12:27:49, James Hunkins wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >Either this email is intended to make us all feel really good about how >our day is going or to show that you always have backup plans (won't >even ask about the spare rear doors :) ). Not just rear doors (8-)# Mind you Bill Cable has spare -cars- Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 10:39:54, James Hunkins wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) Hi Tony, Guess what, Safari was interpreting your page perfectly and Firefox was being a bit generous. It turns out it is an easy fix (and very easy not too see). Here is what I found. Original code: Do you subscribe to the QL mailing list? Yes No (see http://www.quanta.org.uk/"; target='U">http://www.quanta.org.uk/ for details) Correction: - where it says target='U" -> change it to say target="U" Note that the original page uses a single ' and a double ". Safari sees the single ' and then looks for a matching single '. You have it correct elsewhere. Whoops - full marks to Safari. There were many more like that which I spotted earlier (under firefox). Fun stuff :) Indeed. MSIE is very bad at 'intelligently' wrong html, much like QDOS and bad basic. Firefox is better, but not a sgood as Safari. Could you also ask the following type of questions: Hard Disk - what size Rom Disk - what size SMSQ/E - what rev Memory - what size Done (except memory - expansion type gets near enough!) Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Either this email is intended to make us all feel really good about how our day is going or to show that you always have backup plans (won't even ask about the spare rear doors :) ). Cheers, jim On Nov 21, 2004, at 12:23 PM, Tony Firshman wrote: On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 14:09:20, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) At 04:30 21/11/2004 +, you wrote: Tony wrote The -whole- point of doing the on-line survey was to get someone on the Quanta committee to say they would like to use the form. A forlorn hope I am sure. But I see no need for Qanta to be involved, the results of a survey (if any) would be of general interest to many and surely particularly so for traders. Quite understandable, there seem to be many more knockers than constructivists here. All my inputs here have generated are facile denials of my assertion that no one is without access to the www. If your troglodyte BC chooses not to avail himself then that his choice. My, you must have had a night of it, I find myself living upside down times these nights. I had just got back from rescuing a worldnews machine. The Linux machines rumble on almost without attention. This is a W2003 machine. Windows locked up on closing. When we did a power cycle, we found that W2003 had successfully managed to destroy the boot sector on both raid mirror disks! Brilliant achievement Bill (8-)# We have so many troubles with windows that we will move this machine to linux and run a Windows emulator under Linux. Ridiculous isn't it. On the way back, I got out of the car to buy petrol, but somehow the door did not unlock. I had to break a window to get back in. Fortunately I have at least 4 spare rear doors at the bottom of the garden! I turned -off- my phone to avoid the 08:30 church alarm. The ry thing turned itself on again to sound the alarm (8-)# Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 14:09:20, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >At 04:30 21/11/2004 +, you wrote: > >>Tony wrote > >>The -whole- point of doing the on-line survey was to get someone on the >>Quanta committee to say they would like to use the form. > >A forlorn hope I am sure. >But I see no need for Qanta to be involved, the results of a survey (if >any) would be of general interest to many and surely particularly so >for traders. > > >Quite understandable, there seem to be many more knockers than >constructivists here. All my inputs here have generated are facile >denials of my assertion that no one is without access to the www. If >your troglodyte BC chooses not to avail himself then that his choice. > >My, you must have had a night of it, I find myself living upside down >times these nights. I had just got back from rescuing a worldnews machine. The Linux machines rumble on almost without attention. This is a W2003 machine. Windows locked up on closing. When we did a power cycle, we found that W2003 had successfully managed to destroy the boot sector on both raid mirror disks! Brilliant achievement Bill (8-)# We have so many troubles with windows that we will move this machine to linux and run a Windows emulator under Linux. Ridiculous isn't it. On the way back, I got out of the car to buy petrol, but somehow the door did not unlock. I had to break a window to get back in. Fortunately I have at least 4 spare rear doors at the bottom of the garden! I turned -off- my phone to avoid the 08:30 church alarm. The ry thing turned itself on again to sound the alarm (8-)# Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi Tony, Guess what, Safari was interpreting your page perfectly and Firefox was being a bit generous. It turns out it is an easy fix (and very easy not too see). Here is what I found. Original code: Do you subscribe to the QL mailing list? Yes No (see http://www.quanta.org.uk/"; target='U">http://www.quanta.org.uk/ for details) Correction: - where it says target='U" -> change it to saytarget="U" Note that the original page uses a single ' and a double ". Safari sees the single ' and then looks for a matching single '. You have it correct elsewhere. Fun stuff :) Could you also ask the following type of questions: Hard Disk - what size Rom Disk - what size SMSQ/E - what rev Memory - what size Thanks! jim ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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- Original Message - From: "John Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:09 AM Subject: [ql-users] Quanta > I like the way all the ideas about what Quanta should be in the future > are developing. > Haven't we heard it all before? > Believe me, none of the proposals are original, they have all been > discussed and muted, in some cases, several times. > The last thing the committee wants is a list of items for future > discussion. > What is wanted is someone who is willing and able to stimulate some > action. > This, it must be admitted will be impossible with the present > committee. Attitudes there are too deeply ingrained. > To put it simply, they have lost the plot. > So too have the members of Quanta. > There has been little or no evidence of any interest in what the > committee are doing and as a consequence the committee have shown very > little interest in what the members are doing. > Perhaps Quanta has the sort of committee it deserves. > > Quanta for many years was the backbone of the QL scene and it could be > again. > You have three months to sort out the mess, and by that I mean, find > the right people, elect them, then support them > Launching QL2005 could be a start. > > John Taylor > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm John Taylor is right. We need new keen blood. I propose that all those who have been making suggestions for Quanta should be put forward as committee members so that we have an active vibrant Quanta committee. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 18:58:08, Malcolm Cadman wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes I am disappointed at the response to my form. I have only had two people commenting on the content, and not from the right quarters. It looks like my attempt to inject some positiveness into the issue has fallen flat. I should have gone to bed instead. Give people time to respond ... John Mason had time to write that angry email (8-)# What was the address again ? You have probably seen it a dozen times since you wrote this but it is: http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi Thanks, Tony. And keep up the good work. The London Group have a couple of repair jobs for you at the Byfleet meeting next week :-) -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 21 Nov 2004 at 16:50, wolfgang mühlegger wrote: (...) > (relating to the nerver lasting printer ... : If that wasn't done on purpose it should have been. Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Tony Firshman schrieb: OK - I have put my money where my mouth is: http://www.firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi The form is the only thing there that works so far. I would appreciate comments, especially to complete the drop down lists. Some are -very- incomplete! I have added two extra items to section 5, or am I misreading the question on the original form. To me that is asking the questionee whether they want to personally develop software and/or hardware. well done tony! better to do something than just complain! wouldn't it be good to expand the printer-section to esc/p2|pcl|postscript? (relating to the nerver lasting printer discussion in here?) wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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At 14:32 21/11/2004 +, you wrote: Still no comment from anyone on the committee about the form detail or whether they want to use it. Mind you come to think of it I have only talked about it on the list - whoops. I will email the committee direct. The "Nasty" seemed to state that this list contents went straight to the committee (Is that phrased better David T (8-)# That is what I meant to say the first time. I have known you too long to imply you don't matter!) OK, sure. It does not say more than you mean. Catch you later when you have an update . ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 15:18:38, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >On 21 Nov 2004 at 14:09, David Tubbs wrote: > > >> But I see no need for Qanta to be involved, the results of a survey (if >> any) would be of general interest to many and surely particularly so for >> traders. > >Yes of course, why didn't I think of that? Why don't you, Tony, make this >available on your website and poll the results yourself? >I'm sure it would be very interesting for all of us! OK that is a good compromise. I will change it to a more general survey and simply manipulate a database myself locally. That will be easier than assembling the results in email form. I will modify the form and invite comments please. This form will be there for years to come, so it is important to get it as complete as possible right from the start. I have to go out today, but will start the job this evening. Still no comment from anyone on the committee about the form detail or whether they want to use it. Mind you come to think of it I have only talked about it on the list - whoops. I will email the committee direct. (Is that phrased better David T (8-)# That is what I meant to say the first time. I have known you too long to imply you don't matter!) Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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On 21 Nov 2004 at 14:09, David Tubbs wrote: > But I see no need for Qanta to be involved, the results of a survey (if > any) would be of general interest to many and surely particularly so for > traders. Yes of course, why didn't I think of that? Why don't you, Tony, make this available on your website and poll the results yourself? I'm sure it would be very interesting for all of us! (...) > Quite understandable, there seem to be many more knockers than > constructivists here. All my inputs here have generated are facile denials > of my assertion that no one is without access to the www. If your > troglodyte BC chooses not to avail himself then that his choice. No, actually it isn't. As for the subject matter itself: You said NO one is without access to the Web. I state to you that I know somebody who is. Instead of acknowledging that, thus, the above assertion is not right, you simply say "oh this is by his own choice". 1 - Does it matter? the fact is that there is at least one "QL" person without access to the web, proving your assertion wrong. 2 - How could you possibly know why that person doesn't have access to the web? > My, you must have had a night of it, I find myself living upside down times > these nights. > Move to Australia ? :-) (I include the emoticon to show you that this was supposed to be a joke and not a flippant remark by which I'd disregard your comments - okay) Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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At 04:30 21/11/2004 +, you wrote: Tony wrote The -whole- point of doing the on-line survey was to get someone on the Quanta committee to say they would like to use the form. A forlorn hope I am sure. But I see no need for Qanta to be involved, the results of a survey (if any) would be of general interest to many and surely particularly so for traders. There has been some pretty sarcastic comment about me personally in a private email (I think) from a Quanta committee member on another matter which, on reflection, has annoyed me more than I thought at the time. I think after his comments, I really don't feel like putting myself out at all. Quite understandable, there seem to be many more knockers than constructivists here. All my inputs here have generated are facile denials of my assertion that no one is without access to the www. If your troglodyte BC chooses not to avail himself then that his choice. My, you must have had a night of it, I find myself living upside down times these nights. DT ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 12:38:02, Bruce N wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >Hello Tony, > >The list is not moderated in the sense of checking each email, emails >are only stopped automatically if the user is not subscribed to the >list, it is over 40k or it is deemed to be spam. I suspect his email failed because he is not a member ( 8 - )# Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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Hello Tony, The list is not moderated in the sense of checking each email, emails are only stopped automatically if the user is not subscribed to the list, it is over 40k or it is deemed to be spam. -- Best regards, Bruce Sunday, November 21, 2004, 12:02:00 PM, you wrote: TF> On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 10:20:07, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: TF> (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >>On 21 Nov 2004 at 1:13, Tony Firshman wrote: >>> PS I hope the Quanta committee will comment. I would be happy to finish >>> the code if they will use it. >> >> >>On the subject of the formn isn't that "one written by the canadian" >>Paragraph? TF> It is - amended. TF> It the cold light of day, I am not feeling so angry. TF> I am glad the msg I refer to did not actually reach the list, although I TF> think it was meant to. Was it moderated? I hope the sender will not TF> make it public as it too was an angry email which did not help the TF> situation. I don't think he reads the list, but can those on the TF> committee pass the message on please. You know who I am talking about TF> probably. TF> Tony ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 10:20:07, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >On 21 Nov 2004 at 1:13, Tony Firshman wrote: >> PS I hope the Quanta committee will comment. I would be happy to finish >> the code if they will use it. > > >On the subject of the formn isn't that "one written by the canadian" >Paragraph? It is - amended. It the cold light of day, I am not feeling so angry. I am glad the msg I refer to did not actually reach the list, although I think it was meant to. Was it moderated? I hope the sender will not make it public as it too was an angry email which did not help the situation. I don't think he reads the list, but can those on the committee pass the message on please. You know who I am talking about probably. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 10:02:50, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >On 21 Nov 2004 at 4:30, Tony Firshman wrote: >> I think after his comments, I really don't feel like putting myself out >> at all. > > >Tony (and David!) as I said in an earlier email, don't "punish" this >community in its entirety because of one (or several) disparaging comments >made on/off this list. > >C'me on people, this is the real world - some people WILL not like what you >say, WILL make fun of you, WILL ignore you etc... That doesn't mean that most >of them will think the same. > >And, David, just because you have no reaction doesn't mean that you haven't >be read and aprreciated. > >This, I think, is part of the nature of this list. Let's not take ourselves >too seriously! I mean for the questionnaire. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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On 21 Nov 2004 at 1:13, Tony Firshman wrote: > PS I hope the Quanta committee will comment. I would be happy to finish > the code if they will use it. On the subject of the formn isn't that "one written by the canadian" Paragraph? Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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On 21 Nov 2004 at 4:30, Tony Firshman wrote: > I think after his comments, I really don't feel like putting myself out > at all. Tony (and David!) as I said in an earlier email, don't "punish" this community in its entirety because of one (or several) disparaging comments made on/off this list. C'me on people, this is the real world - some people WILL not like what you say, WILL make fun of you, WILL ignore you etc... That doesn't mean that most of them will think the same. And, David, just because you have no reaction doesn't mean that you haven't be read and aprreciated. This, I think, is part of the nature of this list. Let's not take ourselves too seriously! Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership Survey
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 23:53:47, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >At 21:59 20/11/2004 +, you wrote: > >> >I thought only to make an intelligent contribution, but evidently I >> >don't matter. >>Who said that? I certainly didn't. >> >>Tony > >OH YES YOU DID ! > >> I still have nothing from the people that matter > >Added to which both my considered responses merited no comment at all. > >Two earlier more conversational ripostes failed to gain acknowledgement. > >I'm sorry , I think I can take the hint. This is getting really really silly David. Of course I read and took your comments into account. I was not not not not not not saying you didn't matter. I see what you mean now. The -whole- point of doing the on-line survey was to get someone on the Quanta committee to say they would like to use the form. There has been some pretty sarcastic comment about me personally in a private email (I think) from a Quanta committee member on another matter which, on reflection, has annoyed me more than I thought at the time. I think after his comments, I really don't feel like putting myself out at all. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership Survey
At 21:59 20/11/2004 +, you wrote: >I thought only to make an intelligent contribution, but evidently I >don't matter. Who said that? I certainly didn't. Tony OH YES YOU DID ! > I still have nothing from the people that matter Added to which both my considered responses merited no comment at all. Two earlier more conversational ripostes failed to gain acknowledgement. I'm sorry , I think I can take the hint. Bye ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 16:04:43, James Hunkins wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >>> >>> By the way, as to the form, the final line shows " Do you subscribe to >>> the QL mailing list? Yes No (see" and then stops there. See what? >> You must have seen a version I was editing. >> The form does not stop there > >Interesting. In Apple's Safari, I emptied the cache and reloaded it - >quit in the same place. But using Firefox, it shows a lot more, >presumably all the way to the end. > >Anything special you are doing with your CGI that might be pseudo >standard? I see in your source at this 'stop' point: > >Yes name="mailing" value="no">No (see http://www.quanta.org. >What is the "radio" name type? This seems to be where Safari stops. Haven't a clue I am afraid. This is all pretty std stuff and I am following the 'camel' to the letter. > >I am forwarding this to Apple to see if they have comments. If I hear >anything I will let you know but I suspect that I won't. Normally they >just fix things if something is broken and it shows up in the next >update. Looks like Apple is at fault. I am away from base on a crappy small screen and keyboard so cannot easily look at my code. You will see the whole html source under firefox. Thanks for comments, Tony PS I hope the Quanta committee will comment. I would be happy to finish the code if they will use it. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
By the way, as to the form, the final line shows " Do you subscribe to the QL mailing list? Yes No (see" and then stops there. See what? You must have seen a version I was editing. The form does not stop there Interesting. In Apple's Safari, I emptied the cache and reloaded it - quit in the same place. But using Firefox, it shows a lot more, presumably all the way to the end. Anything special you are doing with your CGI that might be pseudo standard? I see in your source at this 'stop' point: Yes No (see http://www.quanta.org.uk/"; target='U">http://www.quanta.org.uk/ for details) What is the "radio" name type? This seems to be where Safari stops. I am forwarding this to Apple to see if they have comments. If I hear anything I will let you know but I suspect that I won't. Normally they just fix things if something is broken and it shows up in the next update. Cheers, jim ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 20:38:55, P Witte wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >Tony Firshman writes: >I did check it out, and it looks great! My problem is not with your form, >but that I dont think the questions have been well enough thought through, >and that was not your department. > >Can the form be filled in off-line and then be uploaded on a second >connection? No - it relies on a POST operation. TOny -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
